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Old Apr 19, 2003, 06:16 AM   #21
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Yeah, it is more like comparing a stinky 1974 AMC Gremlin to a Lexus!

Well put, Rick and welcome!

Those boy bands are all fluff and image IMHO and comparing them to the Beatles is stupid and counterproductive. It IS like comparing a jalopy to a Lexus or Thunderbird in a brown paper bag to Dom Perignon.

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If they don't play instruments they aren't a band, they're a "boy group", band just sounds better I guess. NSync a "boy band"? NO, they're a boy group!
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Ringo was totally right! See my long topic


http://www.beatlelinks.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=49802 with a lot of strong great information including my blog debunking this ignorant,stupid ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a stupid,uncool,untalented boy band.As a member on here Reverend Rock who hasn't been on this site for many years now,who is a reverend,rock musician and a big Beatles fan,said on a classic rock site around 2004 when someone ignorantly called The Beatles a boy band,he rightfully said anyone who knows The Beatles history knows that it's ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing.


Here is a very good educational you tube video by MeanMr Mayo who is a member of The Beatles fan site,Abbryd debunking this stupid,ridiculous,ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a boy band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVlDCm5NOU



Two members on the SH music forums did a very good job of debunking an ignorant guy who said he prefers The Stones because they have never been called a boy band so he thinks their better.member Skywheel so accurately said to him,The Beatles have never been referred to as a boy band by anyone who grasps the common definition of a ''boy band'' and he said in parenthesis ( a group you have eliminated yourself from) therefore your point is invalid, Rejected Next. Member AFOS, said to him,Yeah typical put down and a 100% wrong Beatles were an organic rock band The Monkees are the proto boy band.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...587250/page-12


here is my great blog with a lot of strong great information debunking this ignorant,ludicrous boy band nonsense,


The Beatles Were NEVER A Boy Band,They Were Always A Great Rock n Roll,Pop Rock And Rock Band From The Start!


https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandt...wordpress.com/



Here is also a very good blog post by Barefoot Justine debunking this ignorant boy band nonsense


https://barefootjustine.com/2013/10/...-shit-already/



This is a very good January 2002 Toronto star article,The Monkees:The Original Boy Band? comparing them to NYSNC,New Kids On The Block and The Back Street Boys with quotes from Micky Dolenz and it says Micky Dolenz singer for The Monkees doesn't exactly bristle at the idea of the popular 60's pop group being promoted as the first boy band,but it's clear he isn't interested in plumping his reputation with that analogy either.Micky said it's a misnomer to call,NYNSC,The Back Street Boys and New Kids On The Block, a band at all because there's no instruments involved,it's a vocal group and those groups are in the tradition of the black Motown acts like The Four Tops,vocal groups that sang and had dance steps,and then he said that's what the origins of that are.The writer of the article Vit Wagner says,but the comparison is not without it's merits as well,The Monkees as Dolenz willingly concedes came together in a similar fashion as contemporary acts such as O-Town:through audition,originally The Monkees weren't even a real band at all.



Thankfully there is no ludicrous mention of The Beatles in this article.


https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen..._boy_band.html


In this 1997 article George Harrison said no one was going to be remember The Spice Girls,in 20 years and for some strange reason he put true pop rock bands U2,and Oasis in there too calling oasis not really interesting.He said The Beatles have fans age 7 to 77 and that this proves they have meaning and still lasts.Ironically Bono and Liam Gallagher are big Beatles fans,and Liam like Brian May,Ozzy Osbourne etc call them the greatest band ever.


http://www.mtv.com/news/1059/news-fl...re-no-beatles/


Here is another article from The Independent also from 1997 with even more detailed quotes from George.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ge...s-1247583.html


And what a total insult to not only the cool,brilliant rock band The Beatles always were,but to brilliant cool John Lennon's memory,a boy band is the epitome of what he would have totally hated,and I'm sure that if he was still living,he would post on message boards where so many people are ignorantly constantly calling The Beatles nothing but an overrated,boy band,the first boy band,etc,and he would say,i was *not* the founder and leader of some stupid,uncool,untalented boy band,get this through your *fucking* heads!
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Here is a 2011 amazon.com customer discussion where quite a few posters especially DK Pete do a very good job debunking this totally ignorant nonsense calling The Beatles a boy band,after a moron started this (unfortunately common) discussion,The Beatles Were The First Boy Band!



https://www.amazon.com/forum/music/r...TxHMCJDLBBOKZR



Even in this 2011 discussion asking this totally stupid,ignorant,ludicrous question if The Beatles were a boy band,people who said they aren't even Beatles fans know it's absolute nonsense to call them a boy band,and as one of the fans said,The Beatles are the most talented,forward thinking bands and to call them a boy band is a complete insult to The Beatles.Another said they do have a problem with them being called this,because they are nothing like boy bands musically and it's derogatory.



http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...1480330&page=3
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I always liked She Loves You even better than I Want To Hold Your Hand although that is great too.



And I always loved this very early John song written and recorded in 1962 Ask Me Why.


I have always loved this great beautiful song written by John,with such typical beautiful melodies and harmonies John and Paul usually wrote,and John's usual beautiful singing voice.And this was amazingly recorded in 1962 on only two track tape! with such limited,primitive recording technology but it of course still sounds great.Except I hate mono it's limited sounding and only makes their already limited recording technology sound even more limited.I tried to find the stereo version of this song on youtube but I couldn't find it.




Here university of Pennsylvania musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an 11 year extensive analysis of every one of the 200 Beatles songs,analyzes Ask Me Why and explains that it's structurally complex.


http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/.../AWP/amw.shtml



Here is university of Penn graduate,musicologist Alan Pollack's whole extensive 11 year analysis of all 200 Beatles songs


http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/...notes_on.shtml



University Of Berklee Multi-talented Musician,Guitar Teacher,First Female Guitar Teacher,And Now Music Professor Has Loved The Beatles Since She Saw Them On The ED Sullivan Show When She Was 4 Years Old.



https://www.berklee.edu/news/4635/meet-the-beatle



https://www.berklee.edu/people/lauren-passarelli



Bass Player & Berklee Music Professor Suzane M.Clark Teaches Courses On The Beatles,Solo Beatles & Music Of John Lennon


https://www.berklee.edu/people/suzanne-m-clark[/




Award winning classical composer and music professor Dr.Glen Gass's Beatles course he's been teaching since 1982 and he's been teaching a course in rock music in general since then.



http://courses.music.indiana.edu/rock/beatles.html


http://info.music.indiana.edu/facult...ss-glenn.shtml



32 YEAR OLD BEATLES SCHOLAR ARRON KREROWICZ PLAYS MANY INSTRUMENTS & WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC TOO


http://www.aaronkrerowicz.com/faq.html



University Of Southern California Music Professor And Musician,Bill Biersach Has Always Been A Huge Beatles Fan & And Has Been Teaching A Beatles Course For 40 Years.


https://music.usc.edu/bill-biersach-...atles-and-usc/



http://dailytrojan.com/2012/04/16/po...controversial/[/

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Both VH1 and MTV have been using Richie Unterberger's excellent All Music Guide’s long Beatles biography as their Beatles biography they both used to not have a very good biography of The Beatles.Here are great Beatles biographies that totally debunk this totally stupid,inaccurate,ludicrous,ridiculous myth that they were ever a ‘’boy band’’!



http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-b...4032/biography



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles



The Beatles own documentary The Beatles Anthology


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJcz...czmuZ-OeU#t=13


The great 1982 Beatles documentary,The Complete Beatles narrated by award winning British actor Malcolm McDowell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG8G...BDD651&index=2



And any great reputable accurate Beatles biography would debunk this ludicrous,stupid myth.And I have *never* read or heard *any* legitimate serious rock critics or rock music journalists describe them this way and for extremely great reasons!
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The Beatles were *NEVER* a ''boy band''! As a poster Reverend Rock,who is a rock musician,reverend and a big Beatles fan said on a classic rock site years ago,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it's ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing! And what a huge insult to their enormous talent as true singers,song writers and musicians! The Beatles were a *zillion* times more talented and cool than any stupid,uncool,untalented real boy band!





The Monkees are the first true boy band because they didn't even start off as a genuine band, they were all musical but they were originally hired as actors to play members of a TV pop rock band for their TV show, they didn't start off playing together like Paul at age 15,George age 14 and John age 16 playing guitars and singing,then playing a few years later for 8 hours a night in sleazy strip clubs( and The Beatles had sex with many young women groupies,many who were teen girls and strippers) like The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany(or anywhere) for 2 years in a row,taking speed pills to stay awake to do it,and working their a*ses off playing as a real rock n roll band,and then playing successfully in the Cavern club as a real rock n roll band for years by the time they made it big.



And The Beatles wrote and played a lot of great rock n roll and pop rock songs in their early days. John and Paul wrote the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man write in front of Keith Richards and Mick Jagger in 1963 and they were both really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on. And this song was one of The Rolling Stones first hits.




There is just no comparison to The Monkees etc. A guy so accurately said on a message board many years ago when some idiots called them a ''boy band'' that The Beatles were *never* a boy band,not even during their 1963-1965 period. And another guy said a few years after this on another forum,when some idiot said this,that he too once thought the early Beatles were a boy band like NYSNC,or The Back Street Boys,until he got out of 7th grade.




Every time some ignorant person unjustly calls them a boy band,I'm sure John Lennon's ashes must be turning with outrage.I'm sure he would go on to these sites and say I was *not* the founder and the leader of some f**ing,stupid,uncool,untalented, boy band get that through your stupid f**king heads!




And younger people don't know what type of music was out in 1963,even though I wasn't born yet,I know that The Beatles early songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were hard rock compared to the music out then.There was just Bobby Darin,The Four Seasons,Bobby Vinton and The Beach Boys surfing hits.
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I really didn't want to link to this article because unfortunately it says it appeared in Penthouse, the sexist,woman-hating,degrading and violent pornographic magazine in 1984,but I can't find the full interview anywhere else.




This is a great interview with John Lennon and Yoko Ono at The St.Regis Hotel in September 1971. And Yoko was asked if she knew about what really went on during The Beatles tours,and she says she had thought that he's an artist I'm sure he has had a few affairs, and she said she was really shocked and she said Oh God! when John told her the whole story about what he called all of the raving that went on their tours,Yoko said she had never heard the word groupie before.And Yoko was no innocent either,John was her third husband,she had a daughter with her second husband,and she had quite a few affairs and even abortions in the 1960's.



John is also asked if playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 as The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany improved their playing and he said oh amazingly because before that they had only played bits and pieces but in hamburg they played for hours and hours and that's how they developed their rock n roll sound and playing.He also mentions how they took (meaning speed pills) to stay awake playing so long.




http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1...5.beatles.html
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As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century."



"Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." They also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock.



http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-b...4032/biography



Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by bass player Dennis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.



http://www.alstrand.com/evolution/evolution.html



And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive."



http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...ys-roots-wilco



In this 2010 interview the blogger says that John Stirratt has an affinity for good melodies so it's not surprising that Paul McCartney is one of his musical icons and then he quotes him saying that he's always absolutely in awe of his playing,including Paul's Beatles years.


http://audreeanne.blogspot.com/2010/...ratt-talk.html




And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself http://www.superseventies.com/ssericclapton.html .He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band.



And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.



John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever.'



http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatle...Time&id=222245



Also on Music Radar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great.And Alan White from the group Yes is also interviewed.



http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...n-to-me-219800



http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...n-to-me-219308



http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...n-to-me-219479



http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...n-to-me-219747



Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he's probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler's collaborartion with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles.
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In 2010 I read an online article that had an interview with Ernie Isley of The Isley Brothers about a recent tribute to Jimi Hendrix, in which he says that Jimi played for The Isley Brothers & lived with them & that they & he were fans of The Fab Four from the moment they all watched them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964. I always thought that Jimi was only a later period Beatles fan,I knew he played Sgt.Pepper live the weekend it came out,& he played Day Tripper live also,& several people on different message boards said that when he was asked where the direction of music was going,he said ask The Beatles.
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Ozzy Osbourne has been a big Beatles fan since he was an early teenager,and he picked She Loves You as one of his favorite songs for Rolling Stone Magazine's 500 Greatest songs and Sgt.Pepper is one o his favorite albums. He says that not loving The Beatles is like not loving oxygen and he called The Beatles the greatest band to ever walk the earth.




Here Ozzy Osbourne says that he doesn't anyone will ever be as great as The Beatles and he said they were all great,even George Harrison and Ringo Starr were great.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD0_MtCDcQQ



Here is a video of Ozzy Osbourne meets Paul McCartney for the first time and they hug each other.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkudA0P27Q0



Here Ozzy Osbourne says how hearing She Loves You in 1963 at age 15 on his transistor radio inspired him to go into music.



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/en...-30320049.html



Here both Ozzy Osbourne and Tom Petty praise The Beatles,the early Beatles in this clip but The Beatles in general.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCnjnE0c0RE

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From Me To You,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers.



Bob Dylan,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them.Roger McGuinn also said that The Beatles unusually used folk rock chords in their rock n roll music they wrote and he said that they invented folk rock music without even knowing it.





Here in this article about The Beatles chords,Bob Dylan is quoted saying what he thought in 1964 about The early Beatles music,he said that they were doing things nobody was doing and that their chords were outrageous,just outrageous and their harmonies made it all valid.


http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/...d_chords.shtml



Here in Rolling Stone Magazine's 100 Greatest Song Writers Bob Dylan is number 1,Paul McCartney is number 2, and John Lennon is number 3, Bob Dylan is quoted about a car trip when he heard a lot of Beatles songs on the radio, he said they were doing things and that he knew they were pointing the direction where music had to go.


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...rs#john-lennon


Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day's Night movie.



And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.


John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Kramer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.



Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 16,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on. Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950's.




And even though I wasn't born yet in 1963 I know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You, I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing there etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.
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In this All Music Guide review of The Beatles late 1963 album,With The Beatles Stephen Thomas Erlewine says at the end of the very good review that still the heart of With The Beatles lies not in the covers but the originals where it was clear that even at this early stage The Beatles were rapidly maturing and changing turning into expert craftsman and musical innovators.



http://www.allmusic.com/album/with-t...s-mw0000192941
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In an excellent Beatles book Ticket To Ride by Denny Somach where so many other well known popular respected rock musicians and artists are interviewed about The Beatles praising them including Jimmy Page,Brian Wilson who says he's always loved The Beatles. And Brian Wilson called John & Paul the greatest song writers of the 20th century on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show,(which had on music artists from every type of music,a young black jazz musician,a middle aged black opera singer,Steve Winwood,Meatloaf,and classical violinist Isak Perleman,who said he plays his children Bach,Beethoven Mozart and The Beatles)and he played With A Little Help From My Friends on the piano and he said he just loves this song.



He also said that Sgt.Pepper is the greatest album he ever heard and The All Music Guide says in their Beach Boys biography,that Brian had a nervous breakdown after he heard it. Brian also said that when he first heard The Beatles brilliant 1965 folk rock album Rubber Soul he was blown away by it.He said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time and he couldn't believe they did this so great,this inspired him to make Pet Sounds.



John Lodge and Justin of The Moody Blues are interviewed in this book and Bill Wyman and Ron Wood says how The Rolling Stones became good friends with The Beatles in 1963 after John and Paul wrote 1 of their first hits,the Rock n Roll song,I Wanna Be You're Man.




Ron Wood was asked what his favorite Beatles songs and he said there are so many apart from the obvious like Strawberry Fields I Want To Hold Your Hand is one he said he used to like a lot ,and he said he really loved We Can Work It Out.He also says that The Beatles used to have a radio show every Friday where they played live and spoke and he would never miss an episode. He said in fact whoever has the rights to those shows should dig them up,because they are incredible.




Justin Hayward says that the album he always really loved ,and he said it was when they started experimenting with chord structures ,was A Hard Day's Night.He says they began to move away from the standard 3 chord thing and just went into more interesting structures .He said A Hard Day's Night was the album for him and their song If I Fell was the song.He said it started in a different key to how it ended up,and it's a beautifully worked out song and that there are some songs on that album that were very emotional and evocative. He said that for everybody just starting to write songs as he was,it was a real turn on and eye opener.
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I have read all of the almost all 5 star many amazon.com reviews of the new remastered amazon.com best seller,The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl and many people are saying what I and other fans have said elsewhere,that given how limited and primitive sound systems of the time were,and they had no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing,they played and sounded amazingly good! I heard the small samples on amazon.com,and what struck me is how typically great and prominent Paul's bass playing is,someone said he's playing it like a lead instrument.Also an amazon.com reviewer said how underrated John's rhythm guitar playing is and how George Harrison's guitar playing is very good and how great Ringo's drumming is.

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Here on Paul McCartney.com quite a few members are saying that it's amazing and incredible that The Beatles played so great and sang so great with such primitive sound systems at the time and no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing.One member said they were without a doubt the greatest live rock band ever!



http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/...r=asc&start=45




Many are saying the same things on this music forum including how great and hard rocking of a live band The Beatles really were.



http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...67252/page-141




I found only part of this review from The London Times,you have to have a subscription to read the whole article though,and it says in the first part of it,that it's remarkable they played as well as they did given that they couldn't hear a thing.




http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/po...bowl-f9pxrkmzg




This guy says at the end of his 5 star great review which he titled,Miraculous! of the UK edition of The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl, that The Beatles showed who the real best Rock and Roll band in the world was.



https://www.amazon.com/review/R2P4H8...iscussionsNRPB
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Giles Martin,George Martin's son who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts rightfully says on All Songs Considered when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mentions the very limited,primitive sound systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first 3 or 4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.


He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.



http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs...tter-than-ever
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In this interview with news reporter Larry Kane who interviewed The Beatles from 1964-1966 on their concert tours,and he's in Ron Howard's Beatles documentary Eight Days A week,says that he was at 46 Beatles concerts and there wasn't a bad one. He also says he thinks the film is a reminder of how good The Beatles were as musicians,and he said modern musicians will look at the puny sound equipment they had and will be amazed and that some of their concerts had their music going out on the stadium public address system.



http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37355216
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The Beatles even in their early days were writing and playing on records as well in concerts,both love ballads,and great rocking rock n roll and pop rock songs that they both wrote and cover songs including their great rocking performances in Sweden where the audience was quiet during their performances.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=R...&v=EWFOO9CWfUQ





They were the greatest *rock* band ever! (NEVER A G*d dam*ed stupid,uncool,untalented boy band as so many ignorant morons misperceive them as!) And I have always loved this great blues rocker by Paul,She's A Woman.



Except live there isn't the piano,blending with the great rocking guitars,Paul's great prominent booming bass,and his great rock vocal! And once again it's amazing how good they sound on such limited,primitive sound systems of the time and with no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing,yet they still played and sang great and in sync with each other.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNgLiPyuCY




Here is their great April 1965 New Music Express Winner's Poll concert from April 11,1965.They won three years in a row.And notice that there are men and women of ages in the audience.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSSsu1GSCk



Here they performed Paul's great rocking I Saw Her Standing There in Sweden in October 1963 which The Beatles recorded in February 1963 on their first album Please Please Me which was recorded in just one day.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkySom9bTfM




The Beatles performing their rocking cover of Long Tall Sally with Paul's great rocking vocal June 1964.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXtk296YmE



Here in 1964 June in Melbourne Australia they are playing John's great rock song that they had recorded in February 1964 on their first great early album A Hard Day's Night.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Dpt7TI9q0



And here they performed Paul's very good hard rocking,especially for early 1965,I'm Down at The Ed Sulivian Theater August 14,1965 one night before their live Shea Stadium performance.


https://vimeo.com/133531241



Here is their even harder rocking performance at Shea Stadium on August 15,1965 than they did on their record version of Paul's I'm Down. And they did what a great rock n roll band would do,they ended this rock n roll concert with this rocking song.



https://vimeo.com/146526352



Here they performed a rocking cover of Dizzy Miss Lizzy with John's great rock vocal,at the same She Stadium concert.



https://vimeo.com/14652584



Here is another great rocking Beatles performance of the cover Twist and Shout in June 1964 in Melbourne Australia




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdIzcm95NCM





And what a huge disgusting insult to all of them as very talented musicians,and to John and Paul as extremely talented song composers and great singers,and to John Lennon's memory and was never the founder and leader of some stupid,uncool,untalented boy band! And I'm certain that if John were still living he would come on youtube and other message boards and say I was *never* the founder and leader of any f**king stupid,uncool,untalented boy band get that through your stupid f**king heads!




If Beethoven,Mozart and Bach had screaming teenage girls in their audiences and they formed a band together they would have been a boy band too right?
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It's really amazing how good The Beatles sounded live with such limited primitive crappy sound systems of the time,but they were so great that they would have even sounded good playing out of of cave.


There is an online interview with Roger Daltry,Roger's Journey With The Who in The Sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...h-The-Who.html and he was asked if The Who had screaming girls at a certain point,and he said after Can't Explain they did. He said it was the screaming teenage era and every band had them on their way up. He said it was fun at first but the trouble for a performer when you are that young and inexperienced is that you start to judge your performances on the amount they scream,he said it's nonsense which is why Lennon gave up. He also said that The Who's manager turned their image overnight from scruffy rockers to Mods.



When The Beatles played live in 1963,64,65 & 66 they only had 100 watt amplifiers,no feedback monitors so they couldn't hear themselves sing and play,plus the screaming crowds and that's why they gave up touring.



George Harrison says in The Beatles Anthology video series,that for their August 1965 Shea Stadium concerts, special 100 watt amplifiers were made and that they went up from only 30 watts before. Given how limited and primitive the sound systems were then,it's amazing they sounded as good as they did live.But it was impossible for *anyone* to sound great on those kind of limited,primitive sound systems of the time.




Former Kiss guitarist Bob Kulick who produced the heavy metal Beatles tribute album, Butchering The Beatles, said he saw The Beatles in concert in 1966 and he said he could hear parts of Baby's In Black & Paperback Writer and they sounded amazing.



A guy Steve from Canada said on Artist Facts,that he saw The Beatles live in 1966 and The Stones in 1996(and the sound systems by then were a zillion times better!) and he said don't get me wrong,The Stones were great but they were no match for The Beatles and he called The Beatles The Greatest Band Of All Time.



The Beatles started out playing 8 hours a night in the sleazy strip clubs of Hamburg Germany,taking speed pills to stay awake,wearing tight black leather jackets and pants,smoking and cursing on stage,and had sex with so many young women groupies including the strippers in those clubs,they were successful there. They also played successfully live in The Cavern Club for several years in the early 1960's.




John and George especially hated Beatle Mania,and George says in The Anthology series, that it took a toll on their nervous systems, they had no life either trapped in hotel rooms most of the time. They wanted to be popular & successful as every band does, but they didn't want or ask for the hysteria. John says in his 1975 Tomorrow Show interview that the screaming wasn't doing the music any good,and that things would break down and nobody would know.



The Beatles sound great on their live roof top January 1969 concert in The Let It Be Film, and the sound systems had improved by then,(although still very limited compared to today's) and there were no more screaming crowds.



Paul was playing guitar and writing songs at 14 and he started soon after his beloved nurse and midwife mother Mary died of breast cancer, and he wrote the beautiful song Let It Be after he had a real seeming dream where he saw her alive again and she told him to just accept things as they are. He says in his authorized biography, that when he woke up he thought how great it was to see her alive again.



And there is this very good article by Collin Fleming from The Atlantic, 50 Years Later: The Greatest Beatles Performance Of All Time



http://www.theatlantic.com/entertain...l-time/280801/




And there used to be the full video of The Beatles February 1964 Washington Colosseum and there were over 1,000 likes and many people were saying what Frank and Jack say to this now only audio version of this concert,( many people on youtube are saying why are many of The Beatles videos gone off of youtube now and some are saying it's because of the UMG_MK company that it's amazing that with such crappy sound systems of those days and no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing and many said they still sound so good and great and some say this Washington concert proves what a great live band they were and before they got so tired of all of the Beatlemania garbage they had to put up with all of the screaming drowning out their great music.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge66-bK0E70
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