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Old Aug 17, 2010, 09:38 AM   #1
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17 August 2010 Last updated at 11:59 ET

The threat of demolition is once again hanging over the Liverpool birthplace of Beatles drummer Ringo Starr.

The Victorian terrace at Madryn Street, Toxteth, is one of hundreds in the "Welsh Streets" area to be bulldozed to make way for modern family homes.

Discussions to move number nine - where Richard Starkey was born on 7 July 1940 - to the new Museum of Liverpool are currently on hold.

But official demolition notices have now re-appeared in the street.

Madryn Street is one of a number of roads earmarked for the second phase of the Pathfinder scheme, which will see the bulldozers enter in March 2011.

Although Liverpool City Council owns the majority of the properties - which are mainly empty - number nine is owned privately.

The authority remains in negotiations with the owner but could end up pursuing a compulsory purchase order (CPO) for the property.

"The properties in the Welsh Streets are in such a poor condition that demolition is the only option," said a council spokesman.

"The city council owns 95% of the properties in this area and there are only two remaining residents who we are currently in discussions with.

"Once demolition is complete, high quality residential developments will be built of affordable homes for sale and socially-rented housing offering the modern desirable homes with gardens which local residents deserve.

"Regeneration will hopefully secure a brighter future for an area which has previously suffered from blight and abandonment."

Talks between the council and National Museums Liverpool (NML) about the future of Starr's birthplace are currently on hold until the council can secure ownership.

However, NML bosses said reports suggesting they wanted to move the house in its entirety were wide of the mark.

David Fleming, NML director, said: "We did have discussions with the City Council about a home once lived in by Ringo Starr.

"We hoped that, should the house be demolished, we could save part of it and show it in the new Museum of Liverpool.

"These discussions were some time ago and we are unaware of any current plans for the house."

The "Welsh Streets" area got its nickname after homes in the area, constructed for Welsh dockers working on the waterfront, were built using brick from Wales.

Ringo Starr, now 70, lived at the house for about three months before he moved to Admiral Grove, where he lived for about 20 years.

Liverpool City Council previously said the house had "no historical significance" because of the short time Starr spent there.

Beatles tourists can still visit the houses where John Lennon and Paul McCartney grew up in the city.

The National Trust owns Lennon and McCartney's childhood homes in Menlove Avenue and Forthlin Road respectively.


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Old Aug 17, 2010, 09:53 AM   #2
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Ringo Starr's birthplace faces the bulldozers
At first glance it is hard to imagine anyone objecting to plans to demolish a street of dilapidated Victorian two-up-two downs in a neglected part of Liverpool.

But when Beatles fans realised the plans included the destruction of drummer Ringo Starr's birthplace, they accused the council of cultural vandalism bordering on the criminal.

Devotees of the Fab Four have said proposals to demolish 9 Madryn Street in the Dingle district of Liverpool, where Starr, whose real name is Richard Starkey, was born on July 7 1940, is the equivalent of knocking down William Shakespeare’s home.

Ever since Beatlemania engulfed the world in the mid 1960s the address has become a vital part of any fans’ pilgrimage to the band’s home city attracting thousands of visitors each year.

But unlike the childhood homes of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, which are now owned and run by the National Trust, Ringo’s former house has fallen into disrepair and has been earmarked for demolition since 2005 along with a number of surrounding roads, known locally as the Welsh Streets.

A wave of public opposition has already earned the area one stay of execution, but firms have now been asked to bid for the demolition contract, sparking a fresh wave of opposition from Beatles fans.

One option being considered in an attempt to appease sentimental Beatles fans is to dismantle the house brick by brick and rebuild it at Liverpool’s Museum of Life, which is due to open next year in Liverpool’s dock area.

But that option has been resolutely dismissed by Beatles’ fans who regard such a suggestion as a gross insult to one of Liverpool’s most famous sons.

Philip Coppell, who has been an official Beatles tour guide in Liverpool for more than 20 years, said: “What the council is proposing to do is nothing short of criminal and they will be convicted in the court of international public opinion if they go ahead with it.

“If the council in Stratford wanted to knock down Shakespeare's birthplace and move it to the NEC there would be outrage. The only difference between the two is that Shakespeare has a four hundred year head-start on the Beatles.”

He added: “If they move it to the museum it will lose the sense of the area where it stands. Seeing it in a museum is just not going to have the same impact as visiting the street where Ringo was born.

“Ringo Starr lived in other houses, but he was only born in one. If it's knocked-down – even if it is moved – fans all over the world are going to be up in arms. They will just not understand how Liverpool can carry-out this kind of cultural vandalism.”

Starr, who has homes in Los Angeles, Monte Carlo and Surrey, has expressed his dismay at plans to knock down his childhood home and has also said he is opposed to plans to relocate it to a museum.

Speaking in 2007 he said: “If you want to see where I come from, it's no good putting me in the Wirral. It only works, as far as I can see, if it's there (Madryn Street)."

Locals have also called for the area to be given a new lease of life rather than bulldozed.

Retired Isobel McDonagh, 70, who has lived close to Madryn Street for over 40 years, said: “The house does bring a lot of tourists to the area, but it is embarrassing to see people looking at a boarded up house.

“It's sad that they plan to go ahead with the demolition. It's a fine little house and a piece of Beatles heritage. It could easily be done-up along with all the other houses in the street.”

She added: “Ringo said it should be preserved, so maybe they should ask him for the

A member of staff in the Liverpool City Council Estates office said: “We are putting the demolition contract out to tender for private demolition contractors. That is the stage that we are at.”

A spokesman for Liverpool City Council added: “This is part of a multiphase project, which is going to run for some years. Number 9 Madryn Street is under no immediate threat of demolition.

“We have given special consideration to this building and we are currently in discussions with National Museums Liverpool regarding the potential for its preservation.”


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/m...ulldozers.html
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Old Aug 17, 2010, 12:47 PM   #3
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I was there last summer, and yeah, it is depressing to see row after row of boarded up houses. At least his next house down the street on Admiral Grove is alive and well. Honestly, Ringo could buy up the entire street and turn it over to the government, it would make a nice addition to the Menlove/Forthlin tour.
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Ringo found his way out of the other side of Liverpool. I think it would be nice to have the place used as a Beatle museum. Jerry had a good point above.
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Thats too bad. I'd be sorry to see it go like that. And I also agree that Jerry had a good idea about what to do with it.
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In "The Other Side of Liverpool," Ringo said you had to walk to Stepple Street just to take a bath. Was Stepple Street a public bath? Or was it a flat that offered a tub?

The Dingle from all accounts was a dangerous place to grow up. The Peanut Gang all but ruled the place. In Anthology, Ringo even says he saw people lose eyes and other body parts in street brawls. Just walking out your door, according to Ringo, was a survival test.

"it's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under..." could be the soundtrack of that experience.
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God love our little Ringo. There's the proof right there folks...

It's NOT where you start... it's how you finish!
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And Ringo won the race!
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Have any of you seen the post David Bedford put on Facebook about this?

They wanna tear Ringo's first home down.


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Have any of you seen the post David Bedford put on Facebook about this?

They wanna tear Ringo's first home down.


I was in Liverpool last month and took a Beatles taxi tour. Our cab driver told us that Ringo had basically made the people of Liverpool mad when he was asked what he missed the most about his city. He said "nothing."

Our cabbie went on to say that if Ringo had been a little more gracious on his hometown, that they may have been more apt to save his house.

Consequently, we did get a brick from his house !!!

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Tear it down? The bastards!
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Livepool I left you, said 'goodbye' to Madryn Street
I always followed my heart, and I never missed a beat
Destiny was calling, I just couldn't stick around
Liverpool I left you, but I never let you down.

Livepool I left you, said 'goodbye' to Admiral Grove
I always followed my heart, so I took it on the road
Destiny was calling, I just couldn't stick around
Liverpool I left you, but I never let you down


I can understand why the good citizens of Liverpool would take umbrage in the remarks the cabbie reported. After all, Ringo was 1/4 of the reason Liverpool will always be associated with the Beatles and be known as Beatle City!
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I find it hard to believe that Ringo would say he missed nothing.

His roots are there. It all started there.

There are certain things I'm sure he's glad he's improved on - like a house with indoor plumbing, but I doubt the cabbie was right.
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Sadly Ringo did say it on a tv show here. People in Liverpool have thought " We'll stuff him then " He has not done himself any favours by saying it. Liverpool people dont take too kind to their own digging them.

Now Ringo a nice donation to the local Childrens hospital will get you back in the good books

As for his house. Yep sad its going, but the houses are no longer any good. They have sat empty for a few years and have fallen into ruin ( trademark tactics of our planning people ) now it will cost too much to fix them.
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Yeah, and it must have been a pain in the ass having to trek over to Stepple Street (wherever that was) just to take a bath.

What's up with that? Was there a common tub and toilet at Stepple Street, like an outdoor loo?
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At some future point in history, Liverpool will sadly see the mistake they made. Of course, by then it'll be too late.

Whatever Ringo said or meant, he IS a huge part of Liverpool history that can't be changed. I personally do not miss anything about the home I first lived in either.
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This is one mistake that does not have to be made.

I think Ringo tried to smooth things over in The Other Side of Liverpool when he says, "Liverpool, I left you but I never let you down." Given the neighborhood in which he grew up and the traumatic experiences he had in that hardscrabble neighborhood (in Anthology, Ringo said he saw people lose eyes, limbs and digits on the mean streets of the Dingle) which was terrorized by the Peanut Gang, a notorious gang of badasses and thugs, one can understand Ringo not feeling that would be the place to conduct a Sentimental Journey.

While I'm all for preserving history as well, I think I do understand. How about this for a fair compromise? Update/renovate the area; name it after Ringo like Ringo's Roost or Starkey's Crossing and put a Beatle museum where 9 Madryn Street stands. That might be a fair compromise for everyone on both sides of the table.
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My family came from the Dingle. My mum was born there. My dad lived there from the age of 10. As a kid I would go and stay at my grandparents very close to Ringo's houses.

It was a very nice area. Dont believe all you read, and remember everywhere has its bad folk. The people of the Dingle are the salt of the earth. Very nice people. Unless you know them how can you judge them?

Ringo is a big part of Liverpool, but he is not bigger than Liverpool. He should have realised he would upset people here with his comments. He should haved said sorry. They hold a grudge here. I would like to see him make it up with the city.

Yes Liverpool's leaders mess up again. You should see the history they have sent to the bulldozer. I tell you its criminal what they have knocked down here over the years.
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Ain't nobody judging people they don't know. I know I've said many times that you can't judge anyone you don't know. That is one reason I keep defending Heather.

A neighborhood is its people. We have good and bad mixed into every neighborhood, even in Brentwood and Beverly Hills. People have more commonalities than they do differences. I just meant that Ringo had a hard way to go growing up and I read what he had to say in "Anthology."

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Ringo is a big part of Liverpool, but he is not bigger than Liverpool. He should have realised he would upset people here with his comments. He should haved said sorry. They hold a grudge here. I would like to see him make it up with the city.

Yes Liverpool's leaders mess up again. You should see the history they have sent to the bulldozer. I tell you its criminal what they have knocked down here over the years.
Well said, Andalucia and I can't improve on perfection. I do think Ringo stepped on a lot of toes with his remark and he had to know that it would undoubtedly rile people. I hope he does issue a public apology and recognize that Liverpool is what made him, in a large manner of speaking. Liverpool IS bigger than Ringo not the other way around as you said. I'm sure that many people also took umbrage in his song "The Other Side of Liverpool" wherein he calls the city "cold and damp." There are many positive attributes that he seems to have overlooked.
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Dont get me wrong. Liverpool has its problems. But like anywhere else it has its good sides too.

I like Ringo. Its nice here because we love the fact that the Beatles are from our city and fellow Scousers.
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