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Old Apr 09, 2009, 03:47 AM   #1
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Default The day John Lennon proposed to me (pity I thought he was joking!)

The day John Lennon proposed to me (pity I thought he was joking!)

Last month, filming began on a new movie charting the years when John Lennon was an aspiring musician in Liverpool. For one woman in particular, it will be a strange experience watching Nowhere Boy.

Up to now, Patricia Inder has said little about her relationship with Lennon, so her role in his story has been forgotten - she was the stunning beauty with whom Lennon was having an affair while he seeing Cynthia Powell, who would become his first wife.

The girl who almost wed a Beatle: A teenage Patricia Inder, right, won the heart of John Lennon before he was famous

'To those who weren't there, the Beatles are these superstars, the biggest pop group in history, but to me they were just my mates,' says Patricia. 'We'd pick up some chips from the shop, a few cigarettes and some cheap wine and go back to a friend's flat play records. We all loved rock 'n' roll.

'John and I were friends before we became lovers and he was my first. I suppose I've always loved him.

'For years I could not forget John because he was a Beatle and constantly on the TV and in newspapers. And 50 years on, here we go again.'

Patricia still has the long hair that first entranced Lennon. Asked her age, says she likes to call herself a 'rock angel' - though the fact she met Lennon in 1958, when she was 15 and he was 18, means she is now 66.

The band was then called The Silver Beetles and, as well as Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison (Ringo Starr joined a couple of years later), included Stuart Sutcliffe, the bass guitarist who would die in 1962 from brain haemorrhage aged just 21.

Pat recalls that after one gig, Paul came over and chatted up the girls.

'He said: "Sorry I didn't play your request." I replied: "But I didn't make one."

He then introduced me to the band, who were sitting in the stairwell.

'They were all lovely. John had a great sense of humour and a big personality. We all became mates.'

Patricia, the daughter of a docker and his school cook wife, had a crush McCartney, but he had a girlfriend, Dot.

'We all just hung out together,' she says. 'Paul and John would come back to my mate Sue's place and listen to rock roll, and they would scribble lyrics on of paper they found.

'I'd go and see them play at the Cavern Club. There was such a buzz. I told a friend they would be bigger than Cliff Richard: what an understatement.'

Legend: Patricia Inder recalls first meeting The Beatles after a gig at the famous Cavern Club in Liverpool, where a statue of John Lennon now stands
Patricia and Lennon became lovers 1960, when she was 17 and he was 20.

'Until then, I hadn't really been attracted to John,' says Patricia. 'But you know what they say - it's in the kiss. After that I looked at him differently.'

It seems Lennon had planned the seduction of the virginal Patricia.
John said they were doing a gig on a boat on the Mersey and then they were having a party at Sue's flat, but I wasn't to invite anyone else. So John and I got back to the flat and no one else was there.

'I said: "Where is everyone?" He replied: "Oh, I forgot to tell you: it's a party for two, just you and me."

'He said he'd be gentle with me, which I realise sounds corny. Afterwards, we lay wrapped in each other's arms all night long.

'He was my first lover, and I fell madly in love. He was incredibly romantic. He'd tell me I had beautiful eyes and kiss my eyelids.

'He often had his guitar with him and one lovely memory I have is of John and me in bed, with me strumming and him playing the chords. John always wore his socks in bed, I don't know why. We talked about lots of things. He told me he had lost his virginity in the graveyard of Liverpool Cathedral when he was 13, with an older woman.

'I used to go to Nems's record shop in Liverpool, which was owned by Brian Epstein. I told him he should go down the Cavern to see The Beatles. One day he did, and became their manager.'

The NEMS record shop in Liverpool - owned by Brian Epstein. Patricia says: 'I told him (Epstein) he should go down the Cavern to see The Beatles. One day he did, and became their manager.'
It would have been perfect, had John not had an official girlfriend, Cynthia, a middle-class girl he'd known since art school.

'I knew about her, but she didn't know about me,' says Patricia. 'John didn't often bring her to gigs, but I do remember one time he brought her to the Cavern. He came up to me and said he'd be over later after he'd put Cynthia in a taxi.

'Obviously, I wasn't happy about the situation and I'd tell John I felt I was wasting my time. His response was that one woman was never enough for a man.

'He would say he was torn between two blondes, that he loved Cynthia, but was in love with me.

'I have nothing against Cynthia. In fact, I'd love to meet her because we'd have a lot to talk about.'

Despite his two-timing, Pat soon discovered John was insecure.

'He thought he was ugly and would ask me what I saw in him. When I told him The Beatles would be big one day, he'd be surprised and say: "Do you really think so?"'

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One night, after a gig, she says Lennon asked her to marry him.

'We'd been to a restaurant, just John and I, and had a bottle of wine or two and were a bit tipsy.

'We were in a narrow alleyway when John suddenly said: "Marry me Pat." I was so young and could not believe it, so I just kept saying: "Stop messing about, John." The next day it was forgotten.'

Instead, in August 1962, Lennon married Cynthia after they discovered she was pregnant with their son, Julian.

Paul McCartney took Patricia to one side during a trip to Hamburg. 'He said to me: "Pat, I think you should know: John has got married to Cynthia and she's pregnant.

'It was a terrible shock. I was devastated. I bumped into him at the Cavern and he said we could carry on as before, but I didn't want to. I was heartbroken.'

Soon afterwards, The Beatles became superstars and left Liverpool - and Pat - behind them. In 1965, she took a job as a nanny in Richmond, Surrey, and that year saw her first love for the final time after wangling a backstage pass at a gig at Hammersmith Odeon.

'My friend and I had to fight our way through the crowd to the dressing room. And there was John. He was combing his hair, but when he saw me he dropped it and said: "It's the love of my life."

'He picked me up, swung me around and kissed me. We only had a few minutes to talk because he had to go on stage.'

Pat hung out with The Rolling Stones and was a friend of the model Chrissy Shrimpton. At 24, she met Lemmy, who would later front the bands Hawkwind and Motorhead. They had a son, Paul, who is a record producer in Hollywood.

Patricia says she raised him single-handedly after Lemmy left her when their son was small.

She occasionally bumped into mutual friends of hers and Lennon.

'One or two people said he used to ask after me and said he'd love to see me again,' she says.

Patricia says she had a weird dream the night Lennon was shot in 1980.

'I woke up at about 4am, which was just after he'd been killed,' she says. 'I'd had a dream there was a big hole in the ground. Someone was saying: "Help me!" But I couldn't see them.

'The next day I heard the news. I felt shock and disbelief, it was terrible. He was such a lovely man.'

Patricia is single, but says she hasn't given up on meeting the man of her dreams.

'John spoilt it for me,' she says. 'He made me think all men were as romantic, funny and talented as him.

'John was special, he really was. Wouldn't it have been great if I had married him after he proposed? Things may have turned out very differently for both of us.'
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Old Apr 22, 2009, 10:50 PM   #2
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Her story seems fishy to me for some reason, but at the same time I'm not surprised that he cheated on Cyn cause he did many times.
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they all grew guitars and formed a noise."


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Old Apr 24, 2009, 11:29 AM   #3
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I saw this the other day. It has to be fake. The thing that sealed the deal for me was the part about him saying "It's the love of my life." That is so... not John.
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I'm sure maybe they did have a "fling", but I think she is making most of it up... she makes it seem like John thought of her as "the one that got away" or "the one"....or something along those lines.

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Old Apr 25, 2009, 02:38 AM   #5
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Well she IS a real person and she DID have a romance with John. I'd once heard that he wrote Hello Little Girl for her.
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Originally Posted by Kelli View Post
I saw this the other day. It has to be fake. The thing that sealed the deal for me was the part about him saying "It's the love of my life." That is so... not John.
Hmm....yeah bits do seem fishy your right. I could see him saying that with a joking tone, but for some reason I can't really imagine him saying it least not when he was young.

The thing that seemed most fishy to me was how she said she had a memory of lying in bed with him, strumming the guitar while he fretted the chords, just seems a little odd..

However, in fairness, it was a ridiculously cute story!

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Old Apr 30, 2009, 04:08 PM   #7
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^^Haha, my same thoughts. When John was younger was like a "hard person" and as you say, it sould a little bit incredible to imagine John saying that.
Sounds as a true story to me, maybe with some details fixed in Pat's way, but I have no doubt it happened.
Good to have it here, thanks for posting
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Sounds like fan-fic to me.
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I've called many people "the love of my life" when meeting them after a long's a joke thing...nothing in it!!!
So little time, so much to know!

I do believe the Captain's trodden on my parrot!!!!!
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