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Old Aug 27, 2008, 10:00 AM   #1
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Default Beatles - Rolling Stones Album Cover Similarities...?

Did the Rolling Stones ‘borrow’ ideas from the album covers of the Beatles for their own releases?

Maybe. Here’s why…


This is the LP 'The Rolling Stones'. Released on 16 April 1964.


This is the LP 'With the Beatles' released on 22 November 1963.

Going for the same moody, face-half-in-shadow look here with all members but one in an alignment.

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This is 'Rolling Stones No. 2' released on 15 January 1965.

Again, we're keeping with the 'With the Beatles' face-half-in-shadow look. This time the side of the face in shadow is the the as that on the With the Beatles front cover.

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'Out of Our Heads' released on 24 September 1965.

Once more a cover that could have been inspired by 'With the Beatles'. Again it's black and white and this one shows the faces of all group members except for one which is beneath the line-up.

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'Aftermath' was released on 15 April, 1966.


'Rubber Soul' was released on 3 December, 1965.

Both images have the identical slanting effect with the image looking diagonal to the cover. Not only that but the alignment on each are exactly the sale - bottom left to top right. Again the Rolling Stones have borrowed the half-face-in-shadow effect seen on With the Beatles.

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'Between the Buttons' was released on 20 January, 1967.


'Beatles For Sale' was released on 4 December, 1964.

Both photos showing the group standing in a line in a leafy park. The features on both groups is that of tiredness.

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'Their Satanic Majesties Request' was released on 8 December 1967.


'Sgt. Peppers' was released on 1 June, 1967.

Both album covers are extremely colourful with Satanic Majesties preferring to show a colourful, futuristic background rather than a colourful collection of historical figures. The Rolling Stones are sitting just like the Beatles are in the gatefold.

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'Beggar's Banquet' was released on December 6 1968.


'The Beatles (White Album) was released on 22 November, 1968.

Both album covers are a bare, stark white in direct contrast to their previous counterparts. Both have just a grey title of the album with nothing more in terms of design.

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'Let It Bleed' was released on November 28, 1969.


'Let It Be' was recorded January 1969 but released 8 May, 1970.

Not so much a cover similarity but the obviously intended album title resemblance.

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Old Aug 27, 2008, 10:14 AM   #2
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Just a mere co-incident.

Or that the Rolling Stones only wanted to follow the most recent trend.
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Old Aug 27, 2008, 11:36 AM   #3
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Did the Rolling Stones ‘borrow’ ideas from the album covers of the Beatles for their own releases?

'Beggar's Banquet' was released on December 6 1968.

'The Beatles (White Album) was released on 22 November, 1968.

Both album covers are a bare, stark white in direct contrast to their previous counterparts. Both have just a grey title of the album with nothing more in terms of design.

What do you think?
The White album didn't originally have grey lettering, the title was embossed!

However,
The Stones' albums may look like the Beatles', but
If you listen to the records...
they sound EVEN MORE like The Beatles!!
Paint it Black?
Norwegian Wood, I call it!
Etc.
They only found their own style in 1968!
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Old Aug 27, 2008, 02:46 PM   #4
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There's a quote I read somewhere by John Lennon about how the Stones would copy them, and how the Beatles did something and how 8 months later the Stones would come out with a simillar style.

Can't find it for the life of me though.
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Old Aug 27, 2008, 06:10 PM   #5
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I belive that quote is from the 1970 Rolling Stone interview Harb, bbut I don't have it around right now.

Anyway, I don't think the covers were deliberatley meant to be similar to the fabs, if they were, it was probably more at the photographers or managers insistence imo. Satanic Majesties being the exception. As far as musical similarites, I also disagree, except on the first few albums where they were both doing early rock n roll covers, but the Stones were always more bluesier. Their original material, apart from the singles from '65 on never came close to the Beatles. I do agree that it probably wasn't until Beggars Banquet in 68 that they really got awesome, and found there true voice, but still it was very bluesy/countryish, whereas the Beatles were always experimenting with lots of different styles. But thats just how I see it.

Funny I stumbled onto this thread as I was listening to 'We Love You' with background vocals by none other than John & Paul! It's a really cool song btw
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Old Aug 27, 2008, 07:44 PM   #6
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I don't think they were deliberately copying the Beatles (well maybe santanic majesty) but the Beatles set the trends and influenced even the stones no doubt.
the Beatles led the whole "counterculture" into the psychedelic era, for example, including the Stones.
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Old Aug 27, 2008, 10:37 PM   #7
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I think it was more of an artistic style of the times. I sure if you look at other bands photos from the time you'll find many groups done in similar style and pose. So if it worked for the Beatles............Then maybe it'll work for us!
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The only resemblance to me is the Satanic Majesties one and I believe there even is some interview with one of the Rolling Stones guys who said indeed that they wanted their own flower "pepper" power album cover.
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Old Aug 28, 2008, 12:54 AM   #9
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Artistically the Stones often followed the Beatles, but it worked both ways. Haven't you noticed thet the Stones did NOT put their name on their very first cover? The Beatles copied this much later with Rubbber Soul.
Musically the Stones were much more blues based and reliant on their charismatic singer. I don't see much connection there. And when Lennon said that Miss You was based on his song Scared I think he was getting paranoid (since by that time the Stones no longer needed Lennon even artistically).
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Satanic Majesties Request was the Stones answer to Sgt. Peppers. The original vinyl LP and reel to reel tape had one of those hold it a certain way and you see different things cover. I still have the vinyl LP. Hidden on the cover are the faces of John, Paul, George and Ringo. I once had the 'key' to the whole cover, but misplaced it years ago.
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Displaying my ignorance once again but, is there any data to back up the supposition that the group had such a lot of influence over the album covers, especially the early ones? I know they had for Sgt. Pepper but how about those before that? Very often the cover art was/is done by the label's team (contractor) and the musical artist only gets to select from available layouts. You can often find, in the most miniscule font available, a note somewhere in an obscure corner of the cover reading "Design by". That person or studio usually did a lot more than just listen to the artist's ideas!
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No the Beatles asked for photos like those by Astrid...they had their say after the first album.
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is there any data to back up the supposition that the group had such a lot of influence over the album covers, especially the early ones? I know they had for Sgt. Pepper but how about those before that?!
The Beatles were the first act to take such an interest in their album sleeves.
After the first LP (Please Please Me) which they all loathed, they found that by summer 1963 they had the clout to insist to George Martin that they used their own photographer, Bob Freeman, to recreate the style of photo that their friend Astrid Kirshherr had taken in hamburg in 1962. This style was used not only for With The Beatles but also A Hard Day's Night.
Beatles for Sale was again by Freeman, but this and especially Help! had less input from The Beatles themselves.
Rubber Soul, you may remember, was again co-designed by the group, 'accidentally' created and pushed through as a cover despite EMI's reluctance. In fact, readers of The Beatles Book Monthly at the time felt the cover was 'ugly'.
Revolver of course was designed by another friend from Hamburg, Klaus Voormann, directly comissioned by The Beatles, not EMI, Parlophone or NEMS.
The albums 'The Beatles Second Album', 'Something New', 'Beatles 65', 'Beatles VI' and 'Yesterday and Today' were designed in the US by Capitol's art department, which is why they're so awful.
It was only because of The Beatles insistence on being in charge of their album design that led to other bands doing the same. The fact that seemingly ALL albums started to look like Beatles albums is simply because The Beatles records, being handled outside of a large corporation, looked new and different.
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I believe David Bailey, top fashion & portrait photographer of the day (still going) shot covers for both the groups early in their career and at a guess ( I used to know!) the first Stones album (and possibly also Aftermath) and With The Beatles are among them -- they share a common style & approach to lighting.
Interesting comparison vis a vis Between The Buttons and Beatles For Sale -- well spotted, there!
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[quote=anumber1;898061]I believe David Bailey, top fashion & portrait photographer of the day (still going) shot covers for both the groups early in their career and at a guess ( I used to know!) the first Stones album (and possibly also Aftermath) and With The Beatles are among them -- they share a common style & approach to lighting.
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No, David Bailey didn't photograph a Beatles album cover. Robert Freeman photographed With The Beatles based on instructions from the Beatles themselves who wanted an effect they had known in Hamburg. If you scroll up an inch or so you'll find out all about it.
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did you know that on that 'satanic majesties request' album, you can actually sees the heads of all four beatles hidden in the flowers.
and this isn't some dumb hoax either, where you have to turn the picture upside down and squint -- they are actually there
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The White album didn't originally have grey lettering, the title was embossed!

However,
The Stones' albums may look like the Beatles', but
If you listen to the records...
they sound EVEN MORE like The Beatles!!
Paint it Black?
Norwegian Wood, I call it!
Etc.
They only found their own style in 1968!
How does "Paint It Black" sound like "Norwegian Wood," because the have Indian sitars in them? If that's what you're implying that's like saying the Stones copied the Beatles for using guitars. The two songs don't really sound anything alike whatsoever. Paint It Black has more of a Gypsy beat to it.

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did you know that on that 'satanic majesties request' album, you can actually sees the heads of all four beatles hidden in the flowers.
and this isn't some dumb hoax either, where you have to turn the picture upside down and squint -- they are actually there
You can actually see it more on the Stones Their Satanic album with the 3-D cover. It looks like the Stones used the pictures of the Beatles taken from the inside cover of the Sgt. Pepper album cover and put it in the flower bed surrounding them. This was the Stones response for the Beatles putting the Shirley Temple doll wearing the sweater that says "Welcome The Rolling Stones" sitting in the chair on the Sgt. Pepper album cover.

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It is true that the Rolling Stones generally copied The Beatles in just about everything, or more accurately did a take on them. It is also true that it took about 4 or 5 years before they found their own style and feet. They were a copy cat band who made it big and had longevity.

Here is a clip on Youtube with John Lennon criticising them, after Jagger made some disparaging remarks about The Beatles after they split in 1970. Lennon never pulled punches and effed and blinded along the way. He said they would have got nowhere without The Beatles and that they even gave the Stones their fist No. 1 hit. Lennon and McCartney were in the studios when they recorded it and helped along and even rewrote the song on the fly moving to the side of the studio changing the words to those that they thought would fit the Stones' style.


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