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Old Sep 10, 2006, 01:04 PM   #1
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Default Wikipedia: John Lennon's IQ

Wikipedia's entry on John Lennon claims John's IQ was tested when he was 16 and that his IQ was 165. I've read a few books on John and the Beatles, but I've never read that before. I know one has to read everything in Wikipedia with a grain of salt--not that I don't think it's *possible* his IQ could have been that high (if it's true, he was the *really* Smart One!) but I just had never heard that before. I just wonder where that "fact" (if it is a fact) came from. Anyone know?
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Old Sep 10, 2006, 06:11 PM   #2
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I have no doubt that it was. John was plainly a
highly gifted individual. Even when he was a
young child, he would tell his aunt that he was
a genius and somebody special. John would
say years later as a Beatle that he was irked
that his aunt did not recognize him for the
genius that he was.

I do think that John was ADD/ADHD; a right-
brained learner and he clearly processed
things differently. John even said as much
himself. He sounded as if he might have
had some learning disabilities; he even
admitted that he was never a speller and
resorted to abbreviations such as rec'd
instead of writing out "received."
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Old Sep 11, 2006, 02:33 AM   #3
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Everyone in the Beatles was a multi-talented genius - I believe. Ringo too, for he was as smart as you can get as a drummer. And I'm not saying this because I am a fervent fan of them. The Beatles were certainly the only 'normal' persons in the middle of all that Beatlemania and they were always enough wise to avoid repeating themselves and sustain their fame.
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Old Sep 11, 2006, 06:46 PM   #4
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I don't doubt Lennon's IQ was abnormaly high. I look to his sharp tongue and In His Own Write/A Spaniard in the Works as proof above his talent as a popular songwriter. People with a normal IQs, or even "smart" people with IQs in the 130-140 range just aren't as quick with words as he was in interviews, and by all accounts, in conversation.
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Old Sep 11, 2006, 09:45 PM   #5
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Thanks, guys. I too have no doubt that he had a high IQ; it's just that I'd never seen his IQ mentioned anywhere else but Wikipedia. One would have thought Aunt Mimi would have crowed about it somewhere. Just trying to source it.

The only other Lennon bit I've read in relation to IQ was a "personal ad" by Sean Lennon awhile back, when he mentioned he was looking for a woman with a high IQ to hook up with. I assume he must have one, too, and I suppose such things are genentic (of course, he could have inherited it from his Mom too! Or both parents...)

I've seen books that claim John was dyslexic, but my sister is dyslexic, and she isn't much of a reader (nevertheless, her IQ is 132, which is pretty darn high). And I know John was a bookworm, although not academically inclined. I'm more inclined to go with beatlebangs' diagnosis of ADD/ADHD and possibly a right-brained learner, although he certainly had a way with language (left brain).
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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:59 AM   #6
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I know John was really smart, but i never actually found out what his IQ was...
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Old Sep 14, 2006, 04:37 AM   #7
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I remember Paul saying how impressed he and other friends of John were with the fact that John, as a teen, had read a volume of books about the life of Winston Churchill. He said something along the lines of "He didn't just have them in his home, like a lot of people do. He actually read them!"

Of course, that doesn't make him a genius. Just pointing out something.

I have no doubt John was much more intelligent than your normal person. However, whenever I think about things like 'bagism' and his and Yoko's 'bed-in', I wonder where his brain was.

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Well, I think there's something to the cliche that "book-smart" people sometimes have a marked lack of common sense....
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Old Sep 14, 2006, 08:53 AM   #9
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I'm not sure did John ever really read Churchill's memoirs. He may have been interested in Churchill as a young boy because Churchill was still very popular in England that time and John was a 'Winston' too. I don't know.

That bagism - if it was only for general frustration.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beatlebangs1964

I do think that John was ADD/ADHD; a right-
brained learner and he clearly processed
things differently. John even said as much
himself. He sounded as if he might have
had some learning disabilities; he even
admitted that he was never a speller and
resorted to abbreviations such as rec'd
instead of writing out "received."
From what I've heard I agree with you BB!

I've got a learning disabilty (not that I'm a genius, but I'm not stupid), and a teacher of mine always used to say that people with some form of LD maybe weak in some areas but brilliant in others. From what I've heard about John he did poorly in school, but as we all know he was brilliant in other areas. So if he did have some form of LD then my old teachers statement certainly applies. :teeth!:
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i cant spell either
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interesting, but the left brain right brain dichotomy has been debunked by cognitive scientists.



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The only time I've ever read about his IQ, it said it was 180, but that was a long time ago and I don't remember the source. I wish I did! I remember hearing too that John didn't believe in IQ tests, which I do agree with in many cases [because being a good test-taker and being smart are two different things] but if you score THAT high...there's undoubtedly something to it!
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Well, I think there's something to the cliche that "book-smart" people sometimes have a marked lack of common sense....
I couldn't agree more! I've seen that proved to me over and over again! It goes the other way around too, of course. People with a lot of common sense don't always have an easy time in school.
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Old Dec 30, 2010, 05:26 PM   #15
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No arguing that he was a quick minded fellow but I would say 165 is a very high estimation.
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John was SO smart they even named one of the IQ tests
after him: Otis-Lennon
Er..just kidding about the first part. The test's real though
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thats very interesting...
and I beleive it too
but I think that getting a better source than wikipedia would be a good idea, because wikipedia isnt exactly the "Best" source for information
i think ill look into this...
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