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Old Jul 22, 2012, 12:13 PM   #1
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And a couple things strike me. One is that George lived an extraordinary life. He had many interests and a wildly dynamic circle of friends. I thought Jackie Stewart was every bit as interesting as Tom Petty and can understand why George enjoyed his friendship. Another thing that occurs to me is that Patty Boyd was really nothing more than a groupie. She was probably an amazingly beautiful and beguiling enchantress, but in the end she was still just a model. While George was evolving spiritually and broadening his consciousness, she was really just a hot blonde enjoying an incredible lifestyle. Lastly, what really struck me is that Eric Clapton is just a d-bag. There is no shortage of beautiful women on the planet. But the one he had to have was his best friend's wife? Gimme a break. Is your ability to govern yourself so inoperable that you can't just tell yourself to perish the thought? I really think this was just an ego maniac subconciously, or even blatantly sticking it to a Beatle. The fact that George forgave him and even was the best man at his wedding, really isn't a reflection on how big a person a great a friend he was. But more of how little he cared about Patty in the end. There's an old saying. "No matter how hot she looks, somewhere someone is tired of her s**t".

All that being said, there was a lot of bleed over from Anthology and the various other documentaries, but it was worth every bit of time invested in watching it. Like I said previously, what an extraordinary life.

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With regard to Pattie, since she and George were so young when they met, it sounded to me like a case of strong physical attraction. George was barely 21 at the time. Pattie wasn't even 20. Both were barely out of puberty in 1964.

I think you are being harsh on Pattie AND Eric. Eric truly loved Pattie and since she and George had different interests and needs and were moving in different directions, he wanted to be there for her. The Boyd-Harrison union was headed on a southbound track by the time Eric arrived on the scene. At least Eric was a genuine friend to George AND Pattie. George himself said it was a good thing that his ex was with Eric "instead of some dope."

Eric has given back many times over. He gave the gift of his music and in recent years, he had a rehab center built in Hawaii for those in need of such services. Eric has been through a lot. He was raised by his grandmother; his own mother was 16, I think, when he was born. Years later he found out he had a maternal half-brother and was crushed about being cut out of his own mother's life. Eric's mother also was bipolar. I found that out very recently. In 1993, Eric lost his beloved son under atrocious conditions (as if there could be any other kind of condition in re loss of a child). Try not to be so hard on people.

George and Pattie matured, as people do and once the initial physical attraction wore off and they got down to the business of really knowing one another, they came to see that they were not a good marital pair. Theirs was not the rock solid lifetime loving union of Harold Sr. and Louise. George and Pattie on the other hand got to know themselves as well as each other and in time came to the realization that theirs was not a happy union. George and Olivia, on the other hand completed and complemented one another and were able to meet each other on a level that nobody else could. They had a lot more in common and were able to reach each other's heart and move even closer to one another.

I really think you are being unduly harsh here. I feel very sorry for Pattie and think she is a tragic figure. True, Pattie said even when George died that she would always love him and always did. She was incredibly lonely during the Harrison years. George did not want her to continue modeling and she had a lot of time on her hands. She did not share the deepseated quest that George had. They were, as I said before, moving in different directions. As the marriage soured, the attraction was not there as their personalities were no longer compatible. And yes, I do disagree on your final point - good on George AND Eric for remaining friends AND for George to be the best man at the wedding.
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Lastly, what really struck me is that Eric Clapton is just a d-bag. There is no shortage of beautiful women on the planet. But the one he had to have was his best friend's wife? Gimme a break. Is your ability to govern yourself so inoperable that you can't just tell yourself to perish the thought? I really think this was just an ego maniac subconciously, or even blatantly sticking it to a Beatle.
I have to agree with you here, Colonel. EC has always struck me as someone who has been jealous of George. I even remember an interview where George spoke of giving up smoking, and EC is next to him. EC placed the cigarette he was smoking in the neck of his guitar and then positioned the guitar so the smoke was wafting up to George's face. Words cannot describe how much I disliked EC at that moment.

George went on to break his smoking recovery shortly after. If George had been able to stop then.....

When it comes down to it, EC is not "God," as he wanted to be. No one will remember him much in 100 years, but George will ALWAYS be remembered and loved.
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With regard to Pattie, since she and George were so young when they met, it sounded to me like a case of strong physical attraction. George was barely 21 at the time. Pattie wasn't even 20. Both were barely out of puberty in 1964.

I think you are being harsh on Pattie AND Eric. Eric truly loved Pattie and since she and George had different interests and needs and were moving in different directions, he wanted to be there for her. The Boyd-Harrison union was headed on a southbound track by the time Eric arrived on the scene. At least Eric was a genuine friend to George AND Pattie. George himself said it was a good thing that his ex was with Eric "instead of some dope."

Eric has given back many times over. He gave the gift of his music and in recent years, he had a rehab center built in Hawaii for those in need of such services. Eric has been through a lot. He was raised by his grandmother; his own mother was 16, I think, when he was born. Years later he found out he had a maternal half-brother and was crushed about being cut out of his own mother's life. Eric's mother also was bipolar. I found that out very recently. In 1993, Eric lost his beloved son under atrocious conditions (as if there could be any other kind of condition in re loss of a child). Try not to be so hard on people.

George and Pattie matured, as people do and once the initial physical attraction wore off and they got down to the business of really knowing one another, they came to see that they were not a good marital pair. Theirs was not the rock solid lifetime loving union of Harold Sr. and Louise. George and Pattie on the other hand got to know themselves as well as each other and in time came to the realization that theirs was not a happy union. George and Olivia, on the other hand completed and complemented one another and were able to meet each other on a level that nobody else could. They had a lot more in common and were able to reach each other's heart and move even closer to one another.

I really think you are being unduly harsh here. I feel very sorry for Pattie and think she is a tragic figure. True, Pattie said even when George died that she would always love him and always did. She was incredibly lonely during the Harrison years. George did not want her to continue modeling and she had a lot of time on her hands. She did not share the deepseated quest that George had. They were, as I said before, moving in different directions. As the marriage soured, the attraction was not there as their personalities were no longer compatible. And yes, I do disagree on your final point - good on George AND Eric for remaining friends AND for George to be the best man at the wedding.
You bring up good points, BB. George loved Eric, so he saw good in him. I do try to see good also like George did, but just find it difficult sometimes.

Maybe George was done with Pattie to an extent, but even in the late years... the photos of the two of them at Friar Park... he seems to feel some wamth and connection. I do think the Dark Horse record shows he was at least somewhat heartbroken. I suspect he was not done, also not committed, but had mixed up feelings... like pisces going in two directions.
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I think you are being harsh on Pattie AND Eric.
I don't think I'm being overly hard on Eric. He went after his best friend's wife. 3.2 billion women on Earth, and that's the one he had to have? And then when he got the one in 3.2 billion gal, he treated her like dirt, was a raging alcoholic, and a philanderer, and miss one in 3.2 billion divorced him after a few short yrs. And if I'm not mistaken, didn't he also go through her sister?

Sorry, I just really don't think much of the guy. And frankly, w the exception of Layla and Other Love Songs, I find his music a bit boring.
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George was so beautiful in that photograph. Damn coffin nails cost Harold Sr. and George their lives. Peter and Louise may have died from smoke related cancer - Louise from taking a direct hit from 2nd hand smoke from the Harrison men and Peter from decades of smoking.

True, I didn't like that coffin nail thing EC did to his guitar after George announced his success. Even so, that doesn't make him a bad person. I'm not saying Eric was not without his faults; it was sad that his union with Pattie ended up in the waste basket and his alcoholism caused him many problems. He DID give back by building that rehab center.

With regard to infidelity, George was not, according to sources who knew them both one to honor the Sixth Commandment (adultery) during his marriage to Pattie. There were problems in the marriage along the way. You have to ask why would the man seek extramarital company and also, we don't know the story. That was between the spouses, but again, as an outsider taking an objective stand, this is the way it sounds.

Everything I've said has been well documented. We know none of the Fabs married in white, to use a homely antiquated term. But, to be fair about it, if there weren't some problems/issues between Pattie and George, then neither would look elsewhere for adult comfort. This is not to condone, but to try to think it through fairly and logically. I am not one to judge, but since the topic came up, I wanted to explore it.

As for Pattie and George, I, as an outsider looking in, think that although they were not a good marital pair, that didn't mean they didn't still love and care about each other, but on a nonmarital plane. It's always good when former spouses can remain on good terms at worst, friends at best. After all, Pattie said in re George's death that she always loved George and always will.
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You have to ask why would the man seek extramarital company and also, we don't know the story. That was between the spouses, but again, as an outsider taking an objective stand, this is the way it sounds.
I agree we can only share our impressions as outsiders looking in. My impression of George and Pattie has been ... I think they shared an easy friendship. Pattie is not really complicated, is easy with a laugh, and is somewhat easy going. Of course, she was/is beautiful. All those qualities can be beguiling to a man.

Still, over the long haul, those qualities might make a deep thinker like George feel pretty lonely. Also, it's my impression that George tended to look for deeper conversation among his male friends primarily. When Pattie did show some depth (like collecting eyeglasses for charity), George dissuaded her. I'm not suggesting George was sexist, but I don't think he was AS egalitarian as Paul, for instance.

I think since Pattie was a bit waifish and dreamy, and George was a concrete and pragmatic realist, there was between them both a disconnect and a completion of one another. Ultimately though, it seems George did better with a stronger more pragmatic woman, who was more like himself.
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Those are excellent points, HC. I think George appreciated Pattie's good qualities, but he didn't want to stay in the marriage.

George was a VERY deep thinker and my impression is that Pattie was not able to meet George on that deeper level. Good point - Paul is VERY egalitarian, good on Paul. One of the many reasons I have the deepest respect for the man.

As for George, he had rather "traditional" or some might say sexist views about women working. I don't think George was sexist in the general sense, but I do think he wanted some control over Pattie. It has been documented that George actively objected to her modeling after they got married; he would be off touring for long stretches of time and she was alone. I think she and George, over time were like children engaged in parallel play but on an emotional and cognitive level. Pattie WAS a dreamer with starry eyes, yes, that is a good point. George was a practical man from all accounts and he did not suffer a toady gladly. This is not to say Pattie was one, it is just that George was much more of a practical and realistic personality. I don't think Pattie's observations and personality were enough to sustain the marriage from George's point of view. I agree with HC in that George had respect for women who had strong personalities; open minds and were good listeners AND participants in serious and profound conversations.

George and Pattie had their own groiwng up to do. A decade later when George met Olivia, he had matured considerably as expected. Olivia was not dreamy and starry-eyed; she was a serious professional and she did her job well. She is also, I think very open minded and she "got" George. Olivia was able to meet George and be on a level plane with him in ways Pattie could not. Also, both were serious and mature by the time they met and they had better ideas of what they wanted for themselves and each other. Olivia, as I said, really "got" George and she understood him and he her.

Olivia, on the other hand is a very deep, serious and practical personality. She was the one who encouraged George to see a homeopathic specialist when he had hepatitis. She shared many of George's interests and is an extraordinarily intelligent woman. I think of Pattie as a sparrow with an injured wing. I think of Olivia as being more like a clear-eyed falcon, strong and beautiful and keen of mind.
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Paul wasn't always so fair-minded; he wasn't with Jane, anyway. He grew up only with Linda. I think that is how he knew Linda was the "one" as he wanted her with him all the time, not just to be there, but to be doing what he was doing and getting credit for it as well. Basically he grew up sooner than George did, relationship-wise anyway.

As far as George and Pattie, they probably should never have married. But they did, and "stuff" happened. Anyway, none of the Beatles stayed in their first marriages, except for Paul and I think he would still be with Linda if she had lived. Overall, the 4 of them have a fairly good record for long relationships, considering who they are/were. Ringo and John got it right the second time around, finding women who suited them and vice versa, as did George.

But I do agree that Eric initially wanted Pattie because she was George's wife. The doc made it painfully clear that Eric was jealous of George being a Beatle, much as he tried to deny it at the same time. Also he made it a lot about himself, when the whole point of the show was George.

I do love the documentary though, I had taped it and saved it and watch it every month or so. George had a multitude of interests and a wider variety of close friendships than probably any of them. He seemed to be much more trusting of people, men anyway, than the others, once he was no longer a Beatle.
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[quote=Colonel Angus;1109264]. Another thing that occurs to me is that Patty Boyd was really nothing more than a groupie. She was probably an amazingly beautiful and beguiling enchantress, but in the end she was still just a model. While George was evolving spiritually and broadening his consciousness, she was really just a hot blonde enjoying an incredible lifestyle.[quote]

you are so wrong about Pattie. She's the one who got George into the Indian spirituality. She started studying the Maharishi's ideas through her sister Jenny and when they found the Maharishi was going to be speakign in England, she told George about it and he was intriqued.

He and Eric never deserved her.
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As for George, he had rather "traditional" or some might say sexist views about women working. I don't think George was sexist in the general sense, but I do think he wanted some control over Pattie. .
I disagree. Those Vedic scriptures he was into are very sexist and they colored his views in many aspects. He also had that whole Krishna and his Milkmaids thing going on.

Though some of what he and Pattie did were a part of exploring free love and alternative relationships, but I do think there was a deep sexist core to George at times and I wonder if they would have stayed together if Pattie had a child.
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Constance, you made some excellent points. And yeah, I do think Paul grew up a lot with Linda. They were plainly right for each other and wanted to be together which says a lot of good. Theirs sounded like a loving, rock solid union.

Somehow I doubt George and Pattie would have stayed together even if they had been blessed with a child. It always seemed to me that they were growing in different directions and that Pattie was not as avid a follower as George was on is quest; in fact I don't think she was at all.

True about the Vedic Scriptures, but then again sexism can be found in the Bible and there is a Jewish prayer that closed with "thank God I am not a woman" which I found offensive and many other women, Jewish and other faiths as well did too. Sadly, sexism infected many bodies of literature, secular and religious works alike. Even TV shows and books reinforced sexism and I chafed at that as a child, years before I learned the words "sexism/sexist, chauvanism/chauvanist." I just HATED Gilligan's Island not just because it was inane, but because I could not stand the Tina Louise character of Ginger and I didn't like Lovey Howell. Many kids' cartoons were FULL of racism AND sexism. More progressive and tolerant sensibilities are prevailing in today's world and I am glad for every step towards progress that we as a people make.

George may have suffered from the Male Chauvanism Syndrome to a degree. I'm not saying he did or he didn't; I'm saying that there is a distinct possibility that he did. However, by the time he was seriously committed to Olivia, he had matured to a large extent and their union sounded like one based on love, equality and mutual respect.
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Also, Eric was young and immature back in the day...he has grown up a lot, even though I still think he harbors a bit of jealousy toward George, even postmortem...
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I haven’t seen “Living in the Material World” yet simply because it’ll be hard for me to watch. The emotions and tears will come again, which were terrible enough at his passing, so I’ve just been putting it off.

If I may, I’d like to comment on the attitude toward women in the Vedas. Women were given a high level of respect, safety and protection. Girls lived with their fathers until they were married at which time they went to live with their husbands. If a woman became a widow, she went to live with her grown-up sons and if she had none, she went back to her father’s house. There was always a place for her. Men were to view and respect every woman, except his wife, as their own mother and show the same care to every girl as he would his daughter. Today in many parts of India, especially in the poorer areas, women are marginalized. Girls are not educated. They are married off at a young age because the dowry for young brides is smaller than that for older brides; consequently, many girls who are barely teenagers are married to much older men. Many widows aren’t accepted into their children’s homes. Instead, they are put out on the streets and live only by begging. This is quite different from the treatment you read about in the Vedas. The Srimad Bhagavatam says that there is no difference between a good wife and good intelligence and a good wife is considered to be half the body of a man. By reading a verse here and there and not studying the literature or philosophy of Krishna Consciousness it can be easy to misinterpret sastra (verses). That was how it was for me when I started learning more about the philosophy. But the more you read, digest, ask questions, the more you realize the true role of women. I’d also like to make a comment on Krishna and the gopis (milkmaids). Everything Krishna does is transcendental. Everything here in the material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual world. His relationship with the gopis is not the same as male/female relationships here. They are transcendental which can be hard to understand. That’s why it’s not recommended that people read the stories of Krishna and the gopis until they have read quite a bit of the Srimad Bhagavatam. A good understanding of Krishna has to be established first. I haven’t meant to be preachy. I only wanted to have a say about some comments previously made. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I look forward to reading more about my favorite Beatle, George, of course.

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One thing I was thinking about last night...by the time the Beatles were all no older than their late thirties (Ringo) and Paul and John still in their twenties, they had all entered into relationships which probably would have lasted forever, if not for the deaths of Linda, John and George. That is a fairly astonishing statistic for rock and rollers, not to mention the most famous four of all time. So even though they all went through some craziness, it seems that they all really wanted to settle down with one woman, once they found the right one. Ringo has sustained a remarkable relationship with Barbara for over 30 years, no doubt Paul, George and even John (maybe with a break or two, lol) would have done the same, given the chance.

I have been reading a lot of bios about other rock groups and stars of the day (ran out of Beatles books to read, lol) and overall, the Beatles ended up being not only the best in all musical and creative categories, but also seem to a rarity in that they all survived their drug period; most bands lost at least one member in those turbulent years.

Watching the doc about George is both a happy and a sad experience...happy to see what a full and loving life he created; sad to learn more about the horrible attack in his own home and of course, in the fact that he is no longer with us on this earth, anyway.
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I think the main thing with Pattie and George is that they first got together in the first place because of mutual attraction, and were really a little young to get stuck on each other permanently. He was the coolest boyfriend to have, and she was the coolest girlfriend to have. I do think they cared about each other, but they both grew in other directions as they matured. Back in those days, lots of people married really young--young to ME, anyway!--so let this be a lesson to you, kiddies. Sometimes, it works, but be on the safe side and wait a while.
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Good points, GG. I always thought it was a union largely based on physical attraction.

Over time, I think George wanted a spouse who shared his interests and who had a stronger personality, that is not one who would just be a crowd pleaser. I could be wrong, but that is my impression.

I think Olivia was able to respond to George as the individual he was and not because of his fame. When George married the first time, he was a household name. A decade later, while still a household name, he had matured in every sense and that includes musically. Olivia impresses me as being very assertive whereas I don't think Pattie had a high level of assertiveness. I also get the feeling Pattie was prone to depression, which often goes hand-in-hand with crowd pleasing. I think she wanted everybody to like her and had a gnawing insecurity. Olivia, on the other hand was her own person and she shared many of George's interests and sounded like her personality, intelligence, demeanor and grace complemented George.
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they had all entered into relationships which probably would have lasted forever, if not for the deaths of Linda, John and George. That is a fairly astonishing statistic for rock and rollers, not to mention the most famous four of all time.
They were all good Northern working class lads who grew up with a very strong sense of family. I've often thought about how cool it was that, despite their unconventional lifestyles in the '60s and their being on the cutting edge of the cultural revolution, they were basically pretty conventional guys at heart.
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