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Old Oct 12, 2006, 02:24 PM   #1
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When I first bought this album I thought it was a decent if uneventful album. Some good songs but bland.
Listening now it honestly bores me to death. So one paced and nothing happening.
For his next album, Paul should just either rock out with a great band OR just pick up an acoustic guitar and sing.....and get Rick Rubin to work his magic.
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Old Oct 12, 2006, 08:58 PM   #2
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Zim, with all due respect I disagree with what you've said above. I think Chaos & Creation in the Backyard has some excellent songs. "Friends to Go" is one of my personal favorites and "English Tea" has that Beatle influence - one could imagine 1967 Paul writing and performing this one.

Still, I find another perspective interesting on this. I don't find the songs bland or boring; still, if you want something completely different, check out Paul's Ecce Cor Meum.
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Old Oct 12, 2006, 10:19 PM   #3
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I agree with you BB and the album has grown on me even more!
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 02:00 AM   #4
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Zim, with all due respect I disagree with what you've said above.
I dont mind. Lets get some debates going like there used to be around this place!
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 02:42 AM   #5
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When it first came out, I thought as a whole it was kinda bland. There are one or two maybe songs I liked..........and honestly, I havent listened to it for quite awhile
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 04:26 AM   #6
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I actually have exactly the opposite reaction. At first I wasn't too thrilled with it and found it a bit boring because there aren't really any rockers on it, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it and I still think it's a very good album. It's a more mellow mood than many of Paul's albums, so it's not a party record, it's a hang out at home on a cold winter night sort of record. It's something I listen to on headphones before I go to sleep rather than something I listen to when driving around in my zippy red car.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 04:36 AM   #7
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I can understand having this cd in the car....would helping keeping the speed demons away ;)
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 04:44 AM   #8
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I really love it!
It took a few days to grow on me but then I went through a period of listening to it over and over again.
I think it is an album well worth a listen.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 05:15 AM   #9
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I really do like this album. It was and still is a good effort on Paul's part.

The one problem that I have with the album is the pacing, sometimes I drift off while listening to it, if there were one or two more upbeat songs it would keep me a bit more attentive.

But I still really like this album.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 07:00 AM   #10
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I remember eagerly waiting for the release of this album, and I bought it on the day it came out. When I first played it, I was disappointed, and thought I'd never play it again, with the exception of a few songs. But I DID play it a lot and the more I listened to it, the more it grew on me - and now it's one of my favorites from Paul! There really aren't any songs that I skip over, and I enjoy them all.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 07:19 AM   #11
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I still think it's a great album, tho it had to grow on me.
I did feel that all the songs sounded the same, not to mention most of them are very short. I wouldn't mind some change in feel meaning a bit more uptempo, rock songs.

But this is a different kind of album, doesn't make it a weak one far from it, it's one of the best Paul has done. I love it more with each listen, even "A Certain Softness", a song I didn't like in the beginning.

"Follow Me" might be a weak spot, still a nice enough track, and the whole album overall is strong.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 10:12 AM   #12
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I actually have exactly the opposite reaction. At first I wasn't too thrilled with it and found it a bit boring because there aren't really any rockers on it, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it and I still think it's a very good album.
I would LOVE to start a flaming debate now but sadly I (for the 327th time) agree with Rell in this one. It was a 'so-so' album when I first heard it, certainly better than Driving Rain, but nothing special. I actually grabbed it yesterday, and re-heard it and I thought it was even more amazing. The songs flow, the mood is introspective, the music is solid, the construction of the melodies is great.

On some of the latest albums it was sad to hear Paul, the master of melodies, singing songs that almost had no melody ("Used to Be Bad" and "Really Love You" on Flaming Pie; "She's Given Up Talking", "Spinning on an Axis", "Back in the Sunshine Again", "Rinse the Raindrops" on Driving Rain). Not only does he recover the melodies in this one, but he also manages to stick sets of lyrics that are much more than just 'interesting'.

This album is also great because Paul, for the first time in years, opens up his heart and discusses matters that are important for him. The thing is, we must not forget that this album is made by a 63 year-old guy. It shouldn't be strange that, from time to time, he needs to be a little more laid-back with the music, although he can still rock hard (the Run Devil Run album, just eight years ago, showed that - that, and the fact that he still sings the heaviest Beatles anthems in his concerts)...

I don't know, I feel it's a clean, honest record. I even like "At the Mercy", which I hated in the very beginning.

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Old Oct 14, 2006, 05:44 PM   #13
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I think it's his best album, ever. I don't have all his albums, but I have a pretty good amount... don't get me wrong, I loved albums like Band on the Run, Tug of War, Flowers in the Dirt, even Off the Ground, but I'm definitely liking the older Paul albums such as Flaming Pie, Driving Rain and now Chaos. I'd always wanted him to get more introspective when in his songwriting. I believe he declared that boring in the 70s
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Old Oct 15, 2006, 06:48 PM   #14
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His stuff always grows on me over time. Some grab me right off---Tug of War, aside from a couple of songs, BOTR, etc. But mostly, it takes a few listens to get into it. Chaos grows...
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I agree with most of the new assessments of Chaos, this one grew on me, except English Tea, that one has never grabbed me(don't hate me, I know there are lot of fans of this song out there), it is a little mellower throughout than Paul's albums we are used to hearing but a good one to relax too, I don't "love" the album but really like it.
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I think that for me, this album instantly grabbed me which is a different reaction than I usually have to Paul's albums. The only 2 that ever grabbed me instantly were this and Flaming Pie. I think it's one of his finest albums, and it is second only in my mind to "Ram". The writing, instrumentation, and mellow feel of it is wonderful and just very Paul. Even after being a year old, it still thrills me to hear this album. It's fabulous and deserves every last bit of attention that it has got.
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I love this album, it's very moody. It's something that seems different for Paul, but there are definitely songs that feel quite familiar..if that makes any sense. I'm not going to lie, it had been a few months since I listened to it all the way through, but a few nights ago I watched the DVD about the making of the album and I have fallen inlove with it all over again! "Jenny Wren" and "Friends to Go" aahh..so good.
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I love those songs too. I can listen to "Vanity Fair" over and over again... always makes me think who was the inspiration for it... the way it's composed is brilliant. Did you know he thought of George when writing "Friends to Go"? He said he wrote it as a George song.
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Did you know he thought of George when writing "Friends to Go"? He said he wrote it as a George song.
Yea! He said in the DVD something like, he realized half way through that he was doing a George Harrison song. hehe I thought that was very sweet. I definitely can feel George in that one.
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