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Old Mar 22, 2005, 03:20 AM   #1
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A high school student has shot dead nine people at Minnesota's Red Lake Indian Reservation in the worst school shooting since the 1999 Columbine massacre.

Among the dead at Red Lake High School were a male security guard, a female teacher, and at least six students including the gunman, the FBI said on Tuesday. At least a dozen others were wounded in the carnage.

Before arriving at the school, the gunman shot dead his grandfather, identified as veteran tribal police officer Daryl "Dash" Lussier, and Lussier's girlfriend at their home in Red Lake village.

"We believe the shooter was acting alone," FBI agent Paul McCabe said, adding the dead at the school were all in one room.

One victim was identified by a friend as teacher Neva Rogers, 62, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune newspaper reported.

The gunman fired at doors of classrooms barricaded by terrified students and teachers, witnesses said.

"He came into the school and the first person he shot was the security officer at the door," said Molly Miron, editor of the Bemidji Pioneer newspaper. "One of the students told me he pointed his gun at a boy and then changed his mind, smiled, waved at him, and shot somebody else."

The authorities did not release the gunman's name. The FBI described him as a juvenile, but did not specify his age.

Police, alerted to the massacre when students used cell phones to call for help, said they exchanged gunfire with the gunman who ducked into a classroom and shot himself.

Witnesses said he was armed with a shotgun or rifle and at least one handgun.

The gunman's motive was not immediately known, the FBI said, though a classmate told a local television station that he had spoken a year ago of wanting to "shoot up the school."

It was the deadliest U.S. school shooting since the April 20, 1999, Columbine High School massacre in Colorado in which 14 students -- including the two killers -- and a teacher died.

OJIBWA TRIBE

In 2002 a gunman in Erfurt, Germany, killed 13 teachers, two students and a policeman at the Gutenberg secondary school before killing himself.

The Minnesota reservation 60 miles (100 km) South of the Canadian border is controlled by the Ojibwa tribe, commonly known as the Chippewa, which says it has roughly 10,000 members, about half of whom live on the reservation.

The tribe runs its own affairs and operates casinos in the state and a small casino in Red Lake, 35 miles (55 km) North of Bemidji on the shores of Lower Red Lake. But the casinos are not as successful as others in more populous areas, unemployment on the reservation is high, and many residents are poor with few jobs other than some small industries, raising wild rice and fishing.

Before being settled by the Chippewa in the late 18th Century, Red Lake was the site of a major village of the Dakota tribe. It later became a fur trading outpost run by the British North West Co.

After the shooting, the school was evacuated and the reservation closed to outsiders.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty offered condolences to the families of the victims of "this senseless tragedy."

The shooting follows the March 12 shooting deaths of seven congregants at a church service near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which ended when the gunman killed himself.

In 2003, a student at Rocori High School in central Minnesota gunned down two classmates. He is awaiting trial.


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Old Mar 22, 2005, 07:27 AM   #2
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What is the world coming too?! That's just horrible! If I was one of those students or straff members of that school who witnessed that and lived through that, I'd be in councling for life. My thoughts and prayers go out to those who suffered through this. And my thoughts and prayers also go out to the friends and family members who lost someone they loved because of that sick twisted man!
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Old Mar 22, 2005, 03:25 PM   #3
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Scarily enough, these things always happen in places about which most people would say "I NEVER expected anything to happen here! It's so peaceful!" This is the reason we have security doors at the preschool I work at, and the high schools in the area have metal detectors, and we have to have combative/dangerous person safey training yearly. I do feel bad for those who were killed and those who lost loved ones in this tragedy.

These incidents scare the bejeezus out of me, and they always seem to happen right around this time of year (April/May), right before the end of the school year. And then people always start putting together these clues afterwards about the shooter, like "He seemed so normal!! But......." This is why I constantly advocate early intervention/preschool programs for kids. It always prevents SO MANY problems that could occur later on in their lives.
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Old Mar 22, 2005, 08:06 PM   #4
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It's a terrible thing to have happen and my prayers go out to the families of the victims. What's even worse, and I'm not trying to start any wars on here, if the older members of this board can remember what it was like growing up as a kid in the late '50's and early '60's, when you did something wrong, you got punished and usually by one of your parents using a belt across the backside.
Nowadays, if you even look at your child cross-eyed, you have somebody yelling "child abuse". Society has changed so much in the past 30 or 40 years that a lot of the kids are getting away with just about anything.
Just as an example... There was a case here where I live where 3 young teens (13,14,15) had glued broken shards of glass to the end of a plastic slide at a local park. Luckily someone spotted it before anyone was hurt. When the facts about it were aired on the local newscast, one of the boys turned himself in and informed the authorities who the other 2 were. To make a long story short, after the boys were sentenced to community service and probation and were leaving the courthouse, one of the boys decided he did not like the media cameras so he mooned them. For that, he got a fine (which his parents paid) and an extra 20 hours of community service.
Really makes you wonder who is in charge doesn't it. The adults or the kids.
I've talked to a lot of the younger members of this board and I can honestly say that I doubt if there is one of them that I would have any problems with in my neighbourhood. They all come across as being level headed, intelligent, bright young ladies and gentlemen and I am honoured to be able to talk to them. I guess it must have something to do with what the Beatles sang about and tried to instill in people for years. "All you need is love".

Well that's enough rantings from this old f**t.
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 01:57 AM   #5
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I understand completely what you are saying Beatle 4, and agree!!! So much so that I will say no more....
My prayers go out to the souls touched by this tragedy.
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 02:16 AM   #6
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This is just terrible...

I don't want to start a sideways discussion, but when I saw this...again I think that it still amazes me how in some countries it is so easy to buy and walk around with guns and nobody does a thing about it..it is so common to have guns around...and then when something happens everybody is so amazed..

Sorry but I just don't understand why this just keeps repeating itself.
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 04:51 AM   #7
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Beatle_4, you raised some very good points and I agree with you...

This is so sad. My prayers go out to all the kids and their families.
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 05:39 AM   #8
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I was so saddened by this story, but I can't say I was surprised. How many more times does this have to happen before people wake up? The government can legislate until it's blue in the face and schools can put in metal detectors and cameras out the wazoo, but until WE start taking responsibility, nothing's going to change! Even in my relatively short lifetime, I have seen parental authority (and consequently their children's sense of accountability, propriety, and morality) go down the tubes! If parents would just talk to their children, listen to them, take an interest in their life, teach them right from wrong, punish them when they misbehave, NOT GIVE THEM ACCESS TO WEAPONS, and just say "I love you!" every now and again. . .

My heart goes out to this community. I can only hope something positive comes from this tragedy.
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This is just terrible...

I don't want to start a sideways discussion, but when I saw this...again I think that it still amazes me how in some countries it is so easy to buy and walk around with guns and nobody does a thing about it..it is so common to have guns around...and then when something happens everybody is so amazed..

Sorry but I just don't understand why this just keeps repeating itself.
I agree, I just don't understand why guns are legal over there.
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oh.....we don't really want to compare the gun laws now do we????
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 01:19 PM   #11
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That only happened once in Argentina, and it was last year. He killed 3 schoolmates. Luckily, the goverment took some good points to never let it happen again.

My thoughts are with the victims' relatives.
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 01:22 PM   #12
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Thinking about it, considering we are meant to be a gun free country we have had a few shootings of our own, one bloke went mental and shot a load of villagers in his village, another one went mental and shot a load of very young children in school in Scotland, and numerous others have been shot in gang wars.
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Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)
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Old Mar 23, 2005, 09:54 PM   #14
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My thoughts remain with the victims' families.

I don't think a gun debate is very appropriate at this time, either, Pinky.
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What goes on kids heads to make them do things like this?
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What goes on kids heads to make them do things like this?
I wish I knew. Teen and pre-teen mental illness is on the rise (either that or it's just being diagnosed more often). Unfortunately there are always kids who are going to slip through the cracks and don't get the help they need.
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