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Old Jul 03, 2012, 10:30 PM   #1
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What follows is a transcript from his June 22, 1963 appearance. It cracks me up how honest he was, how different he must have been from all pop stars before him! It's just so... John. And that's we love him!

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Old Jul 03, 2012, 10:35 PM   #2
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Song heard: So Much In Love - The Tymes



JOHN: "Uhh, I thought it was Rolf Harris at first. And then I thought, 'No, it's the Drifters.' And then it's just... you know. It's nobody."

(giggling from the panel)

JOHN: "I don't think it's a hit."

DAVID JACOBS: "You didn't like it?"

JOHN: "Well, it was alright, you know. The style was alright but it wasn't good enough in that idiom. (pause, then comically) Idiom?"

(laughter)

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)

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Song heard: The Click Song - Miriam Makeba and the Belafonte Singers



JOHN: "It's nice you know... Not for that reason. Because, you know, these foreign records -- this kind of, you know, the language -- It just didn't go. It's quite nice actually, but if it was in English it'd mean even less."

(laughter)

JOHN: "It's intriguing because it's foreign, you know. But you can pick them out a mile away with all the gimmicks and all the different styles."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)

*

Song heard: Flamenco - Russ Conway



JOHN: "I like pianos and things, but not sort of pub pianos playing flamenco music, with 'click click.' It doesn't work, you know. It still sounds... It still sounds honky, you know. It doesn't sound anything like flamenco."

DAVID JACOBS: "Yeah."

JOHN: "He hasn't pinched the best bits of real Spanish music, I don't think. Sorry."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)
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Song heard: Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley



JOHN: "Well, you know, I used to go mad on Elvis, like all the groups, but not now. I don't like this. And I hate songs with 'walk' and 'talk' in it -- you know, those lyrics. She walks, she talks. I don't like that. And I don't like the double beat: doom-cha doom-cha, that bit. It's awful. (pause) Poor ol' Elvis."

(laughter)

BRUCE PROCHNIK: "Your heart bleeds for him."

JOHN: "Well, I've got all his early records and I keep playing them. He mustn't make another like this. But somebody said today he sounds like Bing Crosby now, and he does."

(laughter)

JOHN: "There'll be people writing in now. I know what they're saying (comically in a low, slow voice) 'What d'ya mean!?'"

(laughter)

JOHN: "I don't like him anymore."

KATIE BOYLE: "If he did sound like Bing Crosby, would it be bad?"

JOHN: "Well, for Elvis... yes."

(laughter)

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)

*

Song heard: On Top Of Spaghetti - Tom Glaser


JOHN: "Oh. I can't stand these all-together-now records. I like the idea of one shouting and one answering, but not that. I prefer the recent Little Eva, Smokey-Locomotion, folks. But not that, you know. (describing the group-sing-a-long nature of Glaser's song) It's like an outing."

DAVID JACOBS: "Yeah."

JOHN: "A coach trip."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)

*

Song heard: First Quarrel - Paul and Paula



JOHN: "Well, I like their first record (Hey Paula), because I like the octave singing -- her singing, you know, one above him. And it wasn't bad. I didn't buy it. And the second one, you know, wasn't worth bothering. And this.. this has 'Jim' in, you know. All these American records are always about Jim and Bobby and Alfred and all this."

(laughter)

JOHN: "I don't like it."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)

*

Song heard: Don't Ever Let Me Down - Julie Grant



JOHN: "Ahh, I can't think of a thing to say. At the beginning I thought, you know, 'Oh, it's one of those with an intro,' but the intro wasn't strong enough."

DAVID JACOBS: "Do you like girls records or not?"

JOHN: "Yeah, I like girl singers. I like Shirelles and Chiffons, you know. They're different. But I can't think of any girl in particular."

DAVID JACOBS: "But not that particular record."

JOHN: "No."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)
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lol ~ I didn't know until I found the You Tube vid that 'On Top of Spaghetti' was actually a recorded song that a real musician wrote! I just thought it was one of those childhood silly songs that got passed down through the generations... Was it actually a hit?

I looove what John said about the Flamenco song. He was dead-on. He was a bit harsh on Elvis, though, I thought... but I do get where he was coming from at the time.
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Thanks for that.

It's interesting when he says he doesn't like "all together now" type records and coach trips.

Only a few years later he sang on Paul's song and went on a magical coach trip!
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Question Are pop stars different since then ?

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It cracks me up how honest he was, how different he must have been from all pop stars before him! It's just so... John. And that's we love him!

Great topic

I just had a quick read so far, but I will listen to the vids and comment it later on.

You say "how honest he was, how different he must have been from all pop stars before him"... do you think that pop stars nowadays are more honest since the Beatles/John Lennon ? Personally, I don't think so; John's honesty still stands out IMHO.

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Only a few years later he sang on Paul's song and went on a magical coach trip!
heehee ~ I know...

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You say "how honest he was, how different he must have been from all pop stars before him"... do you think that pop stars nowadays are more honest since the Beatles/John Lennon ? Personally, I don't think so; John's honesty still stands out IMHO.
Pop stars are pretty much the same... rock stars tend to be much more honest. They called the Beatles a pop band at the time, but they were also among the first real rock stars.
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Old Jul 09, 2012, 01:16 AM   #8
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Smile Devil in Disguise - Elvis Presley

JOHN: "Well, you know, I used to go mad on Elvis, like all the groups, but not now. I don't like this. And I hate songs with 'walk' and 'talk' in it -- you know, those lyrics. She walks, she talks. I don't like that. And I don't like the double beat: doom-cha doom-cha, that bit. It's awful. (pause) Poor ol' Elvis."

(laughter)

BRUCE PROCHNIK: "Your heart bleeds for him."

JOHN: "Well, I've got all his early records and I keep playing them. He mustn't make another like this. But somebody said today he sounds like Bing Crosby now, and he does."

(laughter)

JOHN: "There'll be people writing in now. I know what they're saying (comically in a low, slow voice) 'What d'ya mean!?'"

(laughter)

JOHN: "I don't like him anymore."

KATIE BOYLE: "If he did sound like Bing Crosby, would it be bad?"

JOHN: "Well, for Elvis... yes."

(laughter)

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)


I was particularly interested in John's comment about Elvis. It's true that he is a bit harsh on him, especially when you know how much John was influenced by Elvis in his teenage years.

Though, he's not sooo wrong about Elvis sounding like Bing Crosby in some of his songs. Personally, I like "Devil in Disguise" (and the double-beat ), but I guess that John only liked the early records of Elvis, the true "rock'n'roll" and not so much the later, softer ballads he started to sing in the 60's. It's a matter of taste really, but I would found it boring if Elvis would have sounded like the Beatles, the Stones etc. in the 60's.

Still, John's comments made me smile, no matter if I entirely agree with him or not

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I'm with John, I only like the early Sun recordings of Elvis.
I was to young to hear them (actually alive but a very young child) when they came out.
My introduction to Elvis was all those horrid movies he made in the 1960's and I didn't understand his popularity and I thought he was a geek.
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Maia 66, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Where did you get this info?
Is it on video anywhere?
Thanks again for posting this.
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Is it on video anywhere?
Thanks again for posting this.
You are very welcome. I love crazy stuff like this, too.

I don't think there's any video of this show, but I have heard an audio... although, come to think of it, it may have been of when all four Fabs were on the show. Let me check and if I can find it, I'll post a link here.
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By the way... I just checked The Beatles Bible entry on this appearance, and apparently John taped this show the day after the newspaper article came out about his beating the %^&* out of Bob Wooler.
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Red face Flamenco - Russ Conway

JOHN: "I like pianos and things, but not sort of pub pianos playing flamenco music, with 'click click.' It doesn't work, you know. It still sounds... It still sounds honky, you know. It doesn't sound anything like flamenco."

DAVID JACOBS: "Yeah."

JOHN: "He hasn't pinched the best bits of real Spanish music, I don't think. Sorry."

(John votes by holding up the MISS card)


Oh well, it seems that John only used the "Miss"-card, didn't he ? .... and this is sooo typical John too; he never really liked any competitors...

Anyway; I found his judgement a bit hard on this record; doesn't sound "honky" to me... I like it... But of course, I'm not such an expert on pub-piano etc. as John was

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Here's the audio of the Beatles appearance on Jukebox Jury on December 7, 1963. John's as honest as ever... way ahead of the crowd, as always.

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