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Old Jan 25, 2001, 05:16 PM   #21
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Default Re: Lennon had Brian Epstein killed?

They say Brian od'd not from one dose, but of a cummulative amount of whatever it was.
Also, I just read in Shout that Brian had some enemies left over from some merchandising copyright sour deals that cost a few companies millions. And several weeks later, his partner in those deals was also found dead. (I don't remember names and I don't want to go and look them up). that's also a rather far fetched account of his death, but I have read in other sources that his overdose was cummulative.
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Old Jan 25, 2001, 05:32 PM   #22
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Wasn't it in Shout that reporters learned of Brians death mysteriously before anyone else did? Isn't that a little odd?
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Old Jan 25, 2001, 06:21 PM   #23
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The story in Shout! according to Wendy hanson is that the papers called and said "We've heard Brian's taken ill' Is that true?" just after they found his body.


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Old Jan 25, 2001, 06:26 PM   #24
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
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Old Jan 26, 2001, 01:59 PM   #25
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There's always been some controversy over Epstein's death, including the possiblity that he was asphyxiated, possibly by a gay lover he met that night. Speculation is that if this did happen, it was some one night stand that Epstein met in a club or on the docks. But could it have been Lennon or some hit man? Again, I strongly doubt it, but would like to see the evidence.

I'm a bit chagrined that everyone wants to damn the Shevey book site unseen. I reacted that way when Goldman's book came out, but when I read it 10 years later, I realized that a good deal of it has the ring of truth (even if it is grossly unbalanced - I heard that the editors cut 81,000 words worth of positive stuff that Goldman had written).

Lennon was about truth first and foremost (even if he didn't always live up to his creed), and to reject something without trying to understand it first dishonors JL's memory.

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Old Jan 31, 2001, 05:20 PM   #26
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crispy:
[b]The Beatles represented a lot of things, including peace and love. John was a big part of that, but he was also a damaged guy capable of some pretty awful behavior. Lennon's "peace and love" reputation smothers his true gift: His searing emotional honesty and determination to understand himself and the world. That's what sets him apart from any other artist of the 20th century.
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ITA, crispy. John might not always have been p.c. or cuddly or packaged for mass consumption, but he *was* brutally honest. Love him or hate him, I think we can all at least respect that about him. He was an incredibly complex man who wasn't afraid to share his pain, rage, and fear...that made a lot of people uncomfortable. But we have to take the whole package.

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Old Feb 01, 2001, 02:44 PM   #27
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by #9 Dream:
&lt;snip&gt;...He was an incredibly complex man who wasn't afraid to share his pain, rage, and fear...that made a lot of people uncomfortable. But we have to take the whole package.
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Exactly #9. Since when and where is there to be a penalty exacted for honesty and having courage in your convictions? Sadly there is an answer to that question. Like John said "We all shine on."

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Old Feb 04, 2001, 10:33 AM   #28
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Well, iFrog, penalties (as you call 'em, I call 'em consequences) are the meat & potatoes of living. Sadly, the consequences in John's case lead to his death. But as long as we remember him, he will never truly be dead. John Lennon has been made a martyr to his causes, to his life. He has become a true hero for millions of us.

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Old Feb 04, 2001, 11:27 PM   #29
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Further odd thing about Seltaeb/Brian's death--a few weeks after Brian died,David Jacobs his solicitor hung himself.
Also,Nicky Byrne one of the Sektaeb partners goot a call a few weeks before Brian's death,the message saying "You will soon hear about an accident concerning Brian Epstein".
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