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Old Oct 13, 2006, 03:00 AM   #1
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I picked up this message from Bruce Spizer on the web which gives reasons why Beatles' Story and Revolver etc.won't be on volume three.
It's a bit long but worth reading!

"A message from Bruce:
My remarks in the latest issue of Beatlology are being
misinterpreted. I am not trying to talk Capitol out of issuing Revolver
or The Beatles Story on CD. I am a realist and know what Apple will or
will not approve. Getting Apple to agree to the release of any of the
U.S. albums was a major accomplishment on the part of Capitol, led by
its president, Andy Slater. I lobbied very hard for stereo and mono
versions of the albums. I also lobbied very hard to have Volume 1
contain the four albums from 1964 and Volume 2 have the four albums from
1965. These were major and important victories.
I got the impression early on that there was no way that Apple would
approve the release of The Beatles' Story on CD. Not even as a promo
item. While I would have enjoyed having it on CD, I realized that its
release on CD was not nearly as important as having Meet The Beatles!,
The Beatles' Second Album, Something New and Beatles '65 on CD in both
stereo and mono. You learn to pick your battles and work on winning what
really matters. Let's be honest, although The Beatles' Story is a cool
period piece, it is not a Beatles album anymore than the Hollyridge
Strings songbook albums are really Beatles albums. Although both are
shown on the back of Beatles albums, they are not counted in the tally
for Beatles VI. Unless Apple changes its mind, the album will not be on
CD. Don't blame Capitol for that. And it's not fair to blame me for that
either. I'm just giving you reality. And quite frankly, I understand
Apple's position on this and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
You can play the album and read about it in my Capitol albums book.
As for Revolver, Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Pepper, don't expect
to see them in The Capitol Albums series. The purpose of the series is
to present uniquely configured U.S. albums that otherwise would not be
released on CD. It is not the purpose of the series to present stereo
and mono versions of every Beatles album issued in the U.S. Apple would
never have approved such a concept.
The U.S. Revolver has the same cover and same running order of the
U.K. album, but with three less songs. How is that unique? Only unique
in that the U.S. album gives the impression that John Lennon took a
leave of absence for most of the sessions. He has only two songs on the
U.S. album--one less than George and only one more than Ringo. Purists
who must have this "unique" configuration can program their CD player to
delete the three John Lennon songs that Capitol previously issued on
Yesterday And Today. But doing so gives you a lesser album. I fought for
the Capitol version of Rubber Soul to be included because it has a
totally different feel than the U.K. version. But I will not fight a
losing battle to get the U.S. version of Revolver on CD. It is not an
improvement of the U.K. album. In this case, less is not only less, but
it is a lot less, unless, of course, you don't like the three John
Lennon songs. As for the mono Revolver, I want that on CD, but it should
be the U.K. mono version of Revolver on CD.
As for Sgt. Pepper, the U.S. version is not unique. I have made
suggestions to Apple, EMI and Capitol for a special edition of Sgt.
Pepper that will have stereo, mono, and other goodies. That is much more
important than having Sgt. Pepper included in the Capitol Albums series.
As for MMT, it is now part of the Beatles standard catalog, so I
doubt Apple will allow it to be included in the Capitol Albums series.
If you must have the songs in mono on CD, buy the EP and singles
collections. As for the three duophonic songs, play the album. Once
again, this is not a battle worth fighting.
I have a good feel for what collectors want and will work hard to get
quality collections on CD. But equally important, I have a good feel for
what Apple will or will not approve. I do not know if my recommendations
will be followed by Apple, but at this time I do have some credibility
with Apple. I don't intend to lose my credibility by pushing for The
Beatles Story and the U.S. version of Revolver on CD. I hope everyone
can understand my position and trust me to keep my priorities in order.
Let's be grateful that The Capitol Albums series became a reality
at all and quit complaining that it will not be the complete U.S. album
catalog on CD."
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 06:39 AM   #2
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Poor Bruce! It is a thankless job brokering compromises. I raise my coffee (it being only 9:30 am here) to him.

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Old Oct 13, 2006, 08:26 AM   #3
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I agree with a lot of what he has to say, raises the question tho, will there ever be a volume three of the Capitol albums?

"Rubber Soul" is indeed more a unique U.S. release then "Revolver" was, but still the configuration is unique to the U.S. But it will be pretty hard to fill a third box set.
I can't live without the U.S. version of "Revolver" and I understand why "Magical Mystery Tour" won't be on a capitol box set release.

I really like his idea of a "Sgt. Pepper's" re-release with the mono and stereo version. But I also agree that it indeed doesn't belong in a capitol albums set.

The only two U.S. albums interesting enough for cd release are "Yesterday and Today" and "Hey Jude." The U.S. "Rarities" perhaps also, but most of the songs are on the "Past Masters" cd's.

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Old Oct 13, 2006, 10:42 AM   #4
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I got hung up about five or six sentence into Bruce's story, but what Legs said about the Hey Jude album might be interesting...but I forgot what all was on it besides Jude and Revolution. BTW, I'm completely happy with the Uk CD versions although it's too bad they weren't remastered as they came out cuz I don't plan on buying a copy of the same CD just because it's remastered...if Sir Paul or Sir George does the honors, fine.
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 11:23 AM   #5
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"Hey Jude" was a great LP. Despite being odds and ends from over almost the entire career of the band, it held up really well as an album. It even had a nice cover. Almost all of it ended up on Past Masters Vol. 2, with the exception of the first two tracks (Can't Buy Me Love, and I Should Have Known Better). From there side 1 ran (lets see if I can do this from memory): Paperback Writer, Rain, Lady Madonna, Revolution. Side 2 ran: Hey Jude, Don't Let Me Down, Old Brown Shoe, and the Ballad of John and Yoko. Have I forgotten anything? Screwed anything up? I haven't listened to this album (as such) in 20 years, so cut me a little slack.

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Old Oct 13, 2006, 11:24 AM   #6
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The tracklist for Hey Jude, or The Beatles again as it was first named.

Side one

1. "Can't Buy Me Love" (1964) 2:19
2. "I Should Have Known Better" (1964) 2:39
3. "Paperback Writer" (1966) 2:14
4. "Rain" (1966) 2:58
5. "Lady Madonna" (1968) 2:14
6. "Revolution" (1968) 3:21

Side two

1. "Hey Jude" (1968) 7:06
2. "Old Brown Shoe" (1969) (Harrison) 3:16
3. "Don't Let Me Down" (1969) 3:30
4. "The Ballad Of John and Yoko" (1969) 2:55
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 11:27 AM   #7
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Almosted posted this at the same time!
I don't have the album, but took the info from Spizer's book.
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I think it'd be a mistake to not have the U.S. "Revolver" included on a Volume 3.

I ain't Bruce Spitzer, but I'm an American Beatle fan who grew up with Capitol albums... and the Capitol Albums volumes will be incomplete without "Revolver" sans the three Lennon tracks. That's what "Yesterday & Today" is for! If they omitt "Revolver", then why the hell put "Y&T" on a volume 3? All continuity would be lost. Heck.. why not re-name "Yesterday & Today" for Volume 3 and call it, "The Partial Help!-Rubber Soul-Revolver + Singles Album"?!? Geesh!

Is the U.S. "Revolver" different than the U.K. "Revolver"? Yes! So, put it on there, dammit.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legs
The tracklist for Hey Jude, or The Beatles again as it was first named.

Side one

1. "Can't Buy Me Love" (1964) 2:19
2. "I Should Have Known Better" (1964) 2:39
3. "Paperback Writer" (1966) 2:14
4. "Rain" (1966) 2:58
5. "Lady Madonna" (1968) 2:14
6. "Revolution" (1968) 3:21

Side two

1. "Hey Jude" (1968) 7:06
2. "Old Brown Shoe" (1969) (Harrison) 3:16
3. "Don't Let Me Down" (1969) 3:30
4. "The Ballad Of John and Yoko" (1969) 2:55
Wow. I only had two tracks flipped around. Otherwise I was dead on. spooky memory. I really loved that... er... compilation.

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P.S. Pardon me for asking (I haven't been paying much attention, not being a Capitol fanatic) but is there even going to be a volume 3? What's left that could go on it? US Rubber Soul, Yesterday and Today, and...?
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but is there even going to be a volume 3? What's left that could go on it? US Rubber Soul, Yesterday and Today, and...?
It seems like there will be. But, all that's left for unique Capitol LPs is "Revolver" which sounds as if it won't make it onto Volume 3 (go figure that one out!), and "Y&T".

"Rubber Soul" was on Volume 2.
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does he really know this, or it just a prediction?
It's more than a prediction.He's a specialist on the US records and main adviser for the Capitol project.
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It's more than a prediction.He's a specialist on the US records and main adviser for the Capitol project.
If his "prediction" comes true, I'll pass on Volume 3 and just wait for the re-mastered UK releases for the rest of the songs I don't have with better updated sound. It'd be completely asinine to omit "Revolver" U.S. from the Capitol Albums series. It's a unique Capitol LP. I'd be happy stopping at Volume 2 if this were the case.

Spizer's reasoning over the fact that the "U.S. album cover is the same as the U.K. Revolver" is moot. "Meet The Beatles" and "Rubber Soul" - both of which have appeared on the Capitol Albums volumes - share the same cover with their British counterparts. He also points out similarities in the running order of both albums. Yeah.... and your point is???? All Capitol LPs shared similar running orders with songs added and subtracted (Bealtes '65 is like "Beatles For Sale" save for added and deleted tracks... the two "Rubber Soul" LPs share common track listings to a degree).

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see. But, the bottom line is: there are not too many more Capitol albums to release on CD. So, why cut one out altogether?
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I know it has a different title and cover, but isn't "The Early Beatles" basicly "Please Please Me" minus three songs. Since "The Early Beatles" was included, it would make as much sense to include the U.S. "Revolver" .
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That's a very good point, Legs.
Logically, since they're not planning to do all the albums, they could have put Yesterday and Today instead of Early Beatles on volume two and stopped there.
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I know it has a different title and cover, but isn't "The Early Beatles" basicly "Please Please Me" minus three songs. Since "The Early Beatles" was included, it would make as much sense to include the U.S. "Revolver" .
Exact-a-mundo!

So, I don't know why such a fuss is being made over "Revolver".
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That's a very good point, Legs.
Logically, since they're not planning to do all the albums, they could have put Yesterday and Today instead of Early Beatles on volume two and stopped there.
I don't know why they felt the need to release these Capitol albums by year, and have 4 LPs each. This would have worked:

Volume 1: Meet The Beatles, Beatles' Second Album, Something New
Volume 2: Beatles '65, Beatles VI, Help!
Volume 3: Rubber Soul, Yesterday & Today, Revolver
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I just picked up this interesting info from the web.

"I saw Bruce at The Fest for Beatles Fans in NJ a couple of weeks ago, and at a "listening party" for Volume 2, he dropped some tantalizing hints as to what a Volume 3 set (if any) would contain.

If Bruce has his way, Volume 3 will consist of:

1) ""Yesterday"...and Today"" (probably with the trunk cover, but the butcher cover will be featured prominently in the accompanying book;

2) "A Hard Day's Night" (the United Artists version, reissued by Capitol on vinyl in 1980);

3) "Hey Jude"

4) "The Beatles At the Hollywood Bowl"

If there is a Volume 4, it will probably contain the "theme" albums from the '70s and '80s, namely:

1) "Rock 'N' Roll Music"

2) "Love Songs"

3) "Rarities" (U.S. version)

4) "Reel Music" (A CD reissue of "20 Greatest Hits" would be pointless, says Bruce, because of the existence of "Beatles 1," except for the "short" version of "Hey Jude," and who would want that?

For the British albums, Bruce would like to see both remastered regular and special collector's editions, the latter with stereo and mono mixes, and outtakes."

Looks like my take on Hollywood Bowl being included is a possibility.
We may get this Volume 3 one day, but I doubt there'll be a Volume 4.
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I want the butcher cover. And the AHDN soundtrack. The rest may be whatever junk they have.
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