Subway Bombing in Madrid

Very horrible and sickening. I feel such sadness for these people and their nation.

My thoughts and condolences go to those killed, injured, and their families. I heard Madrid is a peaceful city. Man this must be a change.

Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
Terrorism it's just a (stupid, evil, unfair) reply to unfair meddling exterior politics and innocents, those that have not the whole army to take care about them, those that have not an own plane to be safe, those that leave others in peace, they are the ones that pay. Always.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">You don't know how much I agree with all the points in your post, leonardobeat. It's really what I've been thinking since the whole thing happened, and even though the important thing now is for the people of Spain to recover from this shocking tragedy, I have to agree with your reasoning.

Dios los bendiga, hermanos españoles.

My condolences and prayers go out to the family and friends of the victims, out thoughts are with you.

The European leader of Al-Qaeda has confirmed responsability for the bombs in Madrid, claiming they were revenge for Spain's "collaboration with the criminals Bush and his allies".

It's on a video tape, which has not been officially confirmed yet.

More attacks have been announced [img]graemlins/sad1.gif[/img]

Hello to everyone,

It's been more than a year since the last time I posted a message here. In fact I don't usually frequent as much as before this wonderful site. But today I thought about what all you guys could have said about the terible attacks we had in Madrid, my beautiful city.

I just want to say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you very much to everyone of you.

Daniel.

It's sad that the terrorists have managed to alter the election with these horrendous murders.

jtal,
Seems from other Spaniards on boards I go into,no one there takes the media seriously as Aznar's friends run a lot of it.

Originally Posted By Hanstopo:
Hello to everyone,

It's been more than a year since the last time I posted a message here. In fact I don't usually frequent as much as before this wonderful site. But today I thought about what all you guys could have said about the terible attacks we had in Madrid, my beautiful city.

I just want to say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you very much to everyone of you.

Daniel.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">You are welcome, Daniel.

I have been watching the news with a heavy heart. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

From this New Yorker, who lived through the tragic events of 9/11, my deepest sympathy and love to you and all the people of Madrid and all the people of Spain.

Originally Posted By jtal909:
It's sad that the terrorists have managed to alter the election with these horrendous murders.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">That's a good thing actually. They needed to be too stupid to vote again for those that put them under risk. Spain is a peaceful country. They didn't know that Bush would buy Aznar and they just fixed that mistake. Now, Spain is back to its own business. They don't need to be meddling like others are. You swear they won't suffer another terrorist attack from the moment they send the spanish army back to Spain. If everybody were that smart, nobody would be crying and complaining for terrorism.

Remember, terrorists attack to people with meddling governments. Not because they are the land of freedom and democracy and all those stupid ideas.

Who bothers Canada, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and all those ideal countries? Nobody because they aren't meddling. The richness of those countries was made with their own effort. Not stealing or making unfair trades in other places.
Isn't it wonderful that they can live in peace? Isn't it wonderful that they can sleep in the nights? Dude, that's just wonderful.

And for Hanstopo:

No necesitas agradecer nada amigo. Recuerda que todos las naciones pacíficas estan unidas. Nosotros sabemos que España es una nación de paz y lo que pasó allá fué un ataque contra Aznar quie desgraciadamente le tocó sufrir a inocentes como siempre. El terrorismo es cobarde y eso se combate con valentía y la valentía la demostraron al cambiar de gobierno. Suerte, un abrazo y pueses estar seguro que el mundo está con los hermanos españoles. [img]graemlins/thumbsup2.gif[/img]

Say, do you think this could be a foreshadowing for our elections? Ah, then again, maybe not. After 9/11, we followed Bush like frightened sheep.

Originally Posted By jtal909:
Yeah, those terrorists sure taught Spain a lesson, didn't they, Leonardobeat?

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Look, the main bs was Aznar falsely blaming ETA.
Also,Spain was only in because the US government agreed to pay for the Exxon Prestige clean-up.
Spain was only part of the coalition of the billing for the money.
Every ally,including Isreal and the UK,are only in it not for love of 'liberty','democracy',or 'freedom' but what they can get out of it. They're only in it for the money.

[size="1"][ Mar 18, 2004, 07:50 PM: Message Edited By: Tim ][/size]

[quote]Originally Posted By jtal909:

Originally Posted By jtal909:
Yeah, those terrorists sure taught Spain a lesson, didn't they, Leonardobeat?

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">No. Aznar and his gang got the lesson but innocents paid for them.
People at Spain blame Aznar and they are right. We all know that something like that would happen someday. What the hell had to do Spain in Iraq? NOTHING AT ALL.
Did Aznar care what Spain could get from AL QAEDA? NOPE. HE DIDN'T. He just wanted to be a friend of George Bush.

Why should the spanish people vote for his party? They aren't stupid, as I already said.

See, nobody says terrorism is a lesson. The consequence of terrorism is the lesson itself.

Do you want to live in peace? Leave others in peace. If you try to get your hand into their business, don't expect them to be with arms crossed.

Who blames Bush, who blames Blair, who blames Ariel Sharon, who blames Aznar? They also kill innocents. What is the difference between an american and an iraqui innocent? There's no difference in my opinion.

If the american government wasn't meddling, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and those nuclear weapons wouldn't even exist. If you create the monsters why do you blame others?

Who cried when the iraqui people died because the bombs?

Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By jtal909:
[qb]It's sad that the terrorists have managed to alter the election with these horrendous murders.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">That's a good thing actually. They needed to be too stupid to vote again for those that put them under risk. Spain is a peaceful country. They didn't know that Bush would buy Aznar and they just fixed that mistake. Now, Spain is back to its own business. They don't need to be meddling like others are. You swear they won't suffer another terrorist attack from the moment they send the spanish army back to Spain. If everybody were that smart, nobody would be crying and complaining for terrorism.

Remember, terrorists attack to people with meddling governments. Not because they are the land of freedom and democracy and all those stupid ideas.

Who bothers Canada, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and all those ideal countries? Nobody because they aren't meddling. The richness of those countries was made with their own effort. Not stealing or making unfair trades in other places.
Isn't it wonderful that they can live in peace? Isn't it wonderful that they can sleep in the nights? Dude, that's just wonderful.
QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Yeah, those terrorists sure taught Spain a lesson, didn't they, Leonardobeat?

First of all, Anzar had joined the fight against terrorism. Isn't it possible that he may believe that you cannot let renegades mass murder innocent people to get their way. You cannot let a group who target and murder innocent people dictate your beliefs with these threats.
Meddling is usually good, and sometimes bad. How about all the aid and assistance that meddling brings?
But no matter what, you cannot let a group target and murder innocent people . These terrorists don't want peace. They want a war with the west, and must be stopped at any cost as they will keep murdering for ever and ever.

Leonardo,
The problem with my fellow Americans is that many don't want to see ther world,especially that part that's not trying to be a little USA.
I've never been into "My country,right or wrong" flag-waving nationalism. There is a dirrerence between Patriotism and Nationalism.
Also the uberChristianity mentality--i.e. an Iraqi child (or an Indian or a Paleastinian) isn't a Jew or Christian so their life is of a lesser value to Christians,especially Evangelical ones.

Ignore this post!

[size="1"][ Mar 19, 2004, 06:07 AM: Message Edited By: HMVNipper ][/size]

Originally Posted By Tim:
Leonardo,

Also the uberChristianity mentality--i.e. an Iraqi child (or an Indian or a Paleastinian) isn't a Jew or Christian so their life is of a lesser value to Christians,especially Evangelical ones.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I was going to edit my post but will add here that Al Quida has been operating out of Spain even to plan and support 9/11.

Tim, that statement of yours is the most slanted and in denial to what is really going on almost as much as not admitting that 9/11 was an act of war. Also close to the one about the Spanish press concocting the story of the election sway.

It is not a slant or denial. There are nuts in the Muslim world,as there are in Christianity. Nationalism and religion are a dangerous mix. What I am saying is: there are those in all faith who look at the sufering of those not of their faith as God's Will. There are fundamentalists in all faith who look at those with a more liberal view of Scripture as ot being "pure" in the eyes of the religion.
Like I said on one of the many boards (political,religious,etc.)in which i particpate, To look at terrorists as defining what Muslims or Arabs are in general is the moral equivolent of viewing the KKK as representative of Southern White Protestant,the IRA of Irish Catholics,or any other fringe group as representative of the group as a whole. I read a LOT more than just US based media. I choose to have a broader look and different prespectives than the US Media can offer. I also on other boards read a lot of misunderstanding to hatred of minor religions,Islam,Hinduism,Buddhism,Judaism,etc.
I honestly the horrors of all terrorism as the mixing of nationalism and religion,whether it be al-Qaeda,the IRA,ETA,the KKK,the "Patriot"/militia groups,etc.
I reject total black and white on all matters...I feel that the US Media has lied to us a lot since 9/11,I do not look at it as an act of war between Islam and the West,I look at it as a lunatic fringe attacking the USA.

Originally Posted By leonardobeat:

And for Hanstopo:

No necesitas agradecer nada amigo. Recuerda que todos las naciones pacíficas estan unidas. Nosotros sabemos que España es una nación de paz y lo que pasó allá fué un ataque contra Aznar que desgraciadamente le tocó sufrir a inocentes como siempre. El terrorismo es cobarde y eso se combate con valentía y la valentía la demostraron al cambiar de gobierno. Suerte, un abrazo y pueses estar seguro que el mundo está con los hermanos españoles. [img]graemlins/thumbsup2.gif[/img] [/QB]

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Bien dicho!!! Fue bueno saber que aznar no fué reelegido (Tiene broncas gruesas, no?) Hanstopo, tienes todo el apoyo de tanto la gente de esta comunidad como del resto del mundo (en su mayoría).
(Well said!! It's a good thing Aznar was not reelected. He's got pretty serious issues... hanstopo, you have the support of everyone in this world... well, almost everyone.)