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Old Jul 23, 2008, 07:32 PM   #1
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Default Compare EMI lp "Please Please Me" with Veejay and Capitol

EMI "Please Please Me", VeeJay "Introducing The Beatles" and Capitol "Early Beatles" with one on "Meet the Beatles"

The data was extracted from "The Usernet Guide for Beatles Recordings Variations", by Joseph Brennan. Mr. Brennan goes into specific differences on many of the songs

There are at least two versions of the Veejay lp as to songs but not the masters they were made from. All 14 songs below are listed as being on the lp but the lp only contains 12 songs. My bootleg does not have "Please, Please Me" and "Ask Me Why"

Reading the columns (left to right) with first three for MONO and the next three for STEREO
1st - who made the mono master or mix with the 5th column being the same for stereo
2nd - the date the mono was finished and correspond to the Lewishon book "Sessions" , with the 6th column being the same for stereo
3rd (mono) and 4th (stereo)- the master-remix variations. The left most character is the variation number, 2nd character ids as being stereo or mono, 3rd character is the stereo or mono variation, 4th character (a or b) identifies the song as being a remix. Mono column with an "S" means the mono was made from stereo. A stereo column with an "M" means the stereo was made from mono.

A Taste of Honey
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S! EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S! EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

Anna
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

Ask Me Why
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 3S1b 3S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles
The original master 1M1 was used as a single

Baby, It's You
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

Boys
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

Chains
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

Do You Want To Know A Secret
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

I Saw Her Standing There
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 1963 2S1b 2S1a Cap 1963 Cap Meet the Beatles

Love Me Do not the EMI single version
EMI 9/11/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 9/11/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 1M1aa 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Cap The Early Beatles
The Capitol mono was a remix of the remix used to make the Capitol stereo

Misery
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles


Please Please Me
EMI 11/26/1962 1M1 1S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 11/26/1962 1M1 1S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 1S1b 1S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles

PS I Love You
EMI 9/4/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 9/4/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 1M1aa 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Cap The Early Beatles

There's A Place
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles

Twist And Shout
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap 2S1b 2S1a Cap Cap The Early Beatles
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 07:55 PM   #2
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All 14 songs below are listed as being on the lp but the lp only contains 12 songs. My bootleg does not have "Please, Please Me" and "Ask Me Why"
I don't think any legit copies listed all 14 songs. Vee-Jay released PPM and AMW as a single and you're correct that they're absent on the LP, but they also aren't included in the tracklist.
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 08:10 PM   #3
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EMI "Please Please Me", VeeJay "Introducing The Beatles" and Capitol "Early Beatles" with one on "Meet the Beatles"

The data was extracted from "The Usernet Guide for Beatles Recordings Variations", by Joseph Brennan. Mr. Brennan goes into specific differences on many of the songs

There are at least two versions of the Veejay lp as to songs but not the masters they were made from. All 14 songs below are listed as being on the lp but the lp only contains 12 songs. My bootleg does not have "Please, Please Me" and "Ask Me Why"

Reading the columns (left to right) with first three for MONO and the next three for STEREO
1st - who made the mono master or mix with the 5th column being the same for stereo
2nd - the date the mono was finished and correspond to the Lewishon book "Sessions" , with the 6th column being the same for stereo
3rd (mono) and 4th (stereo)- the master-remix variations. The left most character is the variation number, 2nd character ids as being stereo or mono, 3rd character is the stereo or mono variation, 4th character (a or b) identifies the song as being a remix. Mono column with an "S" means the mono was made from stereo. A stereo column with an "M" means the stereo was made from mono.

A Taste of Honey
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S! EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S! EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap ====== 2S1b 2S1a Cap ====== Cap The Early Beatles

Anna
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap ======Cap The Early Beatles

Ask Me Why
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======3S1b 3S1a Cap ======Cap The Early Beatles
The original master 1M1 was used as a single

Baby, It's You
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap =====Cap The Early Beatles

Boys
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap =======Cap The Early Beatles

Chains
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap =====Cap The Early Beatles

Do You Want To Know A Secret
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap======Cap The Early Beatles

I Saw Her Standing There
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap ===1963 2S1b 2S1a Cap 1963 === Cap Meet the Beatles

Love Me Do not the EMI single version
EMI 9/11/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 9/11/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap ======1M1aa 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Cap The Early Beatles
The Capitol mono was a remix of the remix used to make the Capitol stereo

Misery
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 2M2 3S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles


Please Please Me
EMI 11/26/1962 1M1 1S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 11/26/1962 1M1 1S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
CAP ========1S1b 1S1a Cap =====Cap The Early Beatles

PS I Love You
EMI 9/4/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 9/4/1962 1M1 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap======1M1aa 1M1a EMI 2/25/1963 Cap The Early Beatles

There's A Place
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles

Twist And Shout
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 EMI Please Please Me
EMI 2/25/1963 1M1 2S1 EMI 2/25/1963 Vee Introducing the Beatles
Cap =======2S1b 2S1a Cap =======Cap The Early Beatles
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Sorry about the double posting of the list. I was trying to align the data columns. Inserting the data from from my database into the Forum editor was not as simple a task a I thought. Still getting the hang of the edtor.

I mentioned there being at least two versions of the VJ lp for Mr Brennan lists PPM and AMW as being on a second issue of the VJ lp.

Can anyone else verify if there were at least two issues of the VJ lp?

When I bought the bootleg, it was new from a record store in the mid 1970s (showing my age here). I do not remember the price but it was in the range of other albums. I was also ignorant as to the original issuance, it's signifiance etc. At the time all I saw was a Beatles album I did not have with songs I did not have.
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PARLOPHONE, PARLOPHONE, PARLOPHONE.

Capitol IS EMI.
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Can anyone else verify if there were at least two issues of the VJ lp?
I don't know if we talk about the same thing with "issues" since all these threads about the Capitol albums make me see things double...but there is a "real" version of the LP which is worth quite some cash and a "fake" which is talked about here a few times before.

Here is a link to a good website with a lot of info about the VJ versions.

http://www.friktech.com/btls/bc4.htm


Can't we sort of combine all these Capitol things?
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Can anyone else verify if there were at least two issues of the VJ lp?
Yes there are two versions of the lp, a good book on the subject is The Beatles records on Vee-Jay by Bruce Spizer.

In short, the first version contained "Love me do" and P.S. I Love You". They had to be replaced with "Ask Me Why" and "Please Please Me", because of a lawsuit regarding copyrights to the songs.
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VeeJay's stereo mixes are another dimension, not necessarily good but 'very sixties'.
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VeeJay's stereo mixes are another dimension, not necessarily good but 'very sixties'.
The VeeJay stereo songs weren't different mixes (compared to the Parlophone releases) were they? Or are you talking about the effect of different pressings?
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This site I linked has quite some details about the Veej-Jay ones and also answer your Q's I think digdad

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Only EMI in the U.K. did the mixes, whatever differences between the Vee-Jay or Capitol stereo mixes occur it has more to do with the used techniques. Vee-Jay might have used different stereo mixes but they would in any case come from EMI.
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The VeeJay stereo songs weren't different mixes (compared to the Parlophone releases) were they? Or are you talking about the effect of different pressings?
Yes, you can say they made their own stereo effects, as much as they could with the 2-track copies from the masters. VeeJay sounds quite different in comparison to Parlophone and Capitol versions.
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Capitolism is an owld joke. But in USA you didn't have to buy the EPs, Parlophone knew to cash out customers as well.
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But in USA you didn't have to buy the EPs, Parlophone knew to cash out customers as well.
I never "had" to buy an EP either, but because it was The Beatles I did... just for the sake of having them.. even though it may have "doubled/trippled/multiplied" certain songs in my collection, but in Beatles land, does anyone care?

There could even be a poll about how many song of them you only have once?
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