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Old Jul 05, 2003, 04:31 PM   #1
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Hi all...I need some opinions here and was wondering what my fellow BLinkers think about this...

I was just in Las Vegas last week, and at one point I visited the Hard Rock Hotel. It's pretty cool, they have showcases all over the casino containing artifacts and memorabilia and stuff, and when we were there it was mid-morning and so we got to take our time and look at everything for quite a while.

Anyway...the question has to do with this. They have a large showcase filled with a lot of Beatles memorabilia, and most of it is pretty cool. However, one of the items they have on display is the National Enquirer from December of 1980 featuring the morgue photo of John on the cover. Now...I was completely unprepared to see this particular item in a showcase at the Hard Rock, and quite frankly, I was also more than a little upset by it. (I have gone out of my way NOT to see this particular photo over the past 22 years -- even though I know that it's not really John, just an empty shell, I find it to be in extremely bad taste.)

I almost went to the manager and complained right then and there, but didn't because our time was a bit limited...but I am still thinking of writing a letter to the manager and pointing out that that particular item is, in my opinion, in quite bad taste, not to mention quite upsetting to unsuspecting fans who may come across it...like me. What I want to know is how my fellow BLinkers feel about this -- do you think I should write a letter to them and see what they tell me?

I don't object to the photo on any grounds other than the fact that I don't consider it to be a piece of "memorabilia" that it is necessary to display...but it did bug me!

So...lemme know what you think!
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 04:34 PM   #2
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As mentioned in our earlier discussion... go for it, Susan! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 06:27 PM   #3
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Although I have a copy of that newpaper, I would never display it in my room. I agree, Susan, that displaying the photo for unsuspecting fans is in bad taste. I say, write the letter! Let us know what happens.

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Old Jul 05, 2003, 06:43 PM   #4
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thats not good.... i think that they should take that out because for one the fans would be like whoa when they see that(not a good one) and then it might bring back bad memories of that day to some people you should bring it to their attn.!
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 06:44 PM   #5
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Oh my...that's terrible that they would put that in there! It would be such a shock to see that, if you didn't know about it. That is bad taste. Write a letter Susan, and let us know what happens.
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 06:49 PM   #6
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Definitely write a letter... the space would be much better used celebrating John's life.
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 07:32 PM   #7
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While it's interesting that they have a Beatles display, that magazine IS in really bad taste. After all, isn't it about the music and not the details of someone's death?
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 07:49 PM   #9
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As a parent, and a fan, I would like to know what may be objectionable.
I will say that I would not expect any part of Las Vegas to come up to my standards, nor anyone else I know.
I am aware that Las Vegas is a popular destination for alot of folks. Not me, or my family.
I have always seen Las Vegas as a place for the lowest common denominator.
Lowbrow, highrollers, and all those in between.
(the author of the question excepted)
These are general statements, opinions, if you will.
Susan, I know you are an intelligent woman.
You will do what your heart tells you. You will write the letter. As well you should!
I will exit with these thoughts.
A museum is only as it's curator.
Museum is a place to exhibit objects. I have no problem seeing posthumous photos of any kind, as it is a part of life.

Memorabilia, that is, things that stir recollction, quite different.
To me, people who visit Las Vegas go for Shock Value, that's it!!!!!!!!!! are not looking for the same things you and I are.
These are my opinions. No one else. I will NEVER visit Las Vegas. One can visit the former Soviet Union, and see Lenin's body. They won't tell how they entombed him. I'm just tryin to represent the Big picture here.

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Old Jul 05, 2003, 09:10 PM   #10
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Yes, Susan, you should! That picture shouldn't be there at all.
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 10:42 PM   #11
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I've only seen that photo once and I don't ever care to see it again. As the British say - "That's not cricket." By all means, go ahead and write your letter, Susan. I know I would have if I had seen it there.
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Old Jul 05, 2003, 11:00 PM   #12
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by all means I think you should write the letter,
I to have a copy of the magazine it's not something I would ever display as Beatles Memorabilia I think that's in poor taste.
I've only seen the picture twice since 1980.
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Old Jul 06, 2003, 12:00 AM   #13
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Yes, Susan, you should! That picture shouldn't be there at all.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Who says? America?
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Old Jul 06, 2003, 01:20 AM   #14
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To me, people who visit Las Vegas go for Shock Value, that's it!!!!!!!!!! are not looking for the same things you and I are.
These are my opinions. No one else. I will NEVER visit Las Vegas. One can visit the former Soviet Union, and see Lenin's body. They won't tell how they entombed him. I'm just tryin to represent the Big picture here.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">There's no limit to bad taste in the world,but I agree with Johnna Lynn,anyway you should do as your heart feels,it's the better way !
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Old Jul 06, 2003, 05:28 AM   #15
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Okay...I'm going to write the letter. I'll let you know what happens.

Now, I'm going to respond to Johnna Lynn's comments about Las Vegas itself, because my friend who lives there would be really disturbed by the comments about her hometown, and I feel obligated to defend it. (No, I'm not angry, I'm just stating a different opinion because unless you've BEEN to Las Vegas, it's hard to say what it's really like. I really didn't know until we went -- and it was different than I expected. So please don't get insulted, Johnna, this isn't meant to be such, just purely my honest opinion! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) I'm responding here even though technically it's "off topic" because I didn't think I should open another topic just for this...so bear with me, please. (Sorry, Tim and Angel...hope you don't mind...)

Anyway, my husband and I have very close friends who live there and have lived there all their lives. (No, they are NOT dealers, casino workers, showgirls or escorts -- they are a biomedical engineer and a computer programmer. More people in Las Vegas have "normal" jobs than the "entertainment" ones mentioned above.) Actually, Las Vegas was a very nice place to visit -- we didn't spend all our time on the Strip, nor are we big gamblers at all, so we certainly didn't lose a lot of money. (Actually, we pretty much broke even or came out a bit ahead from the small amount of gambling we did do.)

We visited our friends home, and they live in a quiet neighborhood of lovely houses. According to my friend, Las Vegas has more houses of worship per capita than nearly any city in the country, and I believe it -- there were tons of churches and synagogues in the residential areas. They took us to Hoover Dam, one of the industrial wonders of the 20th Century. They took us to Red Rock Canyon, a beautiful desert preserve less than half an hour from the Strip and full of endangered animals and plants, with a scenic drive through some of the most beautiful desert country I have ever seen.

I guess my point with all of this is that despite what people may have heard, Las Vegas is not "Sin City." No, it's not really a family destination, which is why our son stayed home with his grandparents, but it's actually quite nice, and we found it very interesting and would like to go back. It's certainly not populated by "the lowest common denominator" by any means -- in fact, such an effort has been made with the construction of the new casino hotels that it is really quite the class act.

So...don't believe what you read about Las Vegas or see on C.S.I. -- we had a great time!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By Hari Krishna:
Yes, Susan, you should! That picture shouldn't be there at all.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Who says? America?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">why are you always trying to attack someone Johnna Lynn?

you do as if someone personally offended you for you to hit back at them when they express their opinion

as i said before, learn to cool it
it is not nice at all how you do

if anyone is curious for another example, please refer to 'Imitation chicken gizzards!' topic at Red Rose Speedway..

http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/ultim...;f=12;t=000773

there must be someone else on here, or at least a moderator, that sees what i am talking about, feels similarly and thinks that it ought to be addressed

this kind of behaviour is unacceptable in this environment(or anywhere in human society for that matter)

thank you

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I would certainly write them about it, Susan--this is not a "real" museum like the Liberace museum, but one designed for tourists, and if one of their exhibits is distressing their customers, they most certainly need to know that.

As for Las Vegas, I love that town! I've been going there at least once a year ever since I turned 21 (so 18 years and counting), and it's been fascinating to watch the place change. Sure, parts of it are sleazy, but that's true of all cities. Gambling is marginally fun--I like horse racing--but generally I don't do that any more, as I've mostly come to find it dull. Anyway, there's too much else to pay attention to! The food there has improved markedly to the point where you have to work hard to find a bad restaurant. And there are a ton of things to do that have nothing to do with gambling (natural and manmade wonders, museums both legit and touristy, interesting exhibits at the hotels, the hotels themselves, shows, IMAX movies, magic motion rides, etc.) Vegas is like the Internet: you simply ignore the disreputable parts and enjoy the good stuff.

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Old Jul 06, 2003, 06:40 AM   #18
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Okay...I'm going to write the letter. I'll let you know what happens.

Now, I'm going to respond to Johnna Lynn's comments about Las Vegas itself, because my friend who lives there would be really disturbed by the comments about her hometown, and I feel obligated to defend it. (No, I'm not angry, I'm just stating a different opinion because unless you've BEEN to Las Vegas, it's hard to say what it's really like. I really didn't know until we went -- and it was different than I expected. So please don't get insulted, Johnna, this isn't meant to be such, just purely my honest opinion! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] )

Anyway, my husband and I have very close friends who live there and have lived there all their lives. (No, they are NOT dealers, casino workers, showgirls or escorts -- they are a biomedical engineer and a computer programmer. More people in Las Vegas have "normal" jobs than the "entertainment" ones mentioned above.) Actually, Las Vegas was a very nice place to visit -- we didn't spend all our time on the Strip, nor are we big gamblers at all, so we certainly didn't lose a lot of money. (Actually, we pretty much broke even or came out a bit ahead from the small amount of gambling we did do.)

We visited our friends home, and they live in a quiet neighborhood of lovely houses. According to my friend, Las Vegas has more houses of worship per capita than nearly any city in the country, and I believe it -- there were tons of churches and synagogues in the residential areas. They took us to Hoover Dam, one of the industrial wonders of the 20th Century. They took us to Red Rock Canyon, a beautiful desert preserve less than half an hour from the Strip and full of endangered animals and plants, with a scenic drive through some of the most beautiful desert country I have ever seen.

I guess my point with all of this is that despite what people may have heard, Las Vegas is not "Sin City." No, it's not really a family destination, which is why our son stayed home with his grandparents, but it's actually quite nice, and we found it very interesting and would like to go back. It's certainly not populated by "the lowest common denominator" by any means -- in fact, such an effort has been made with the construction of the new casino hotels that it is really quite the class act.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I thought I did my homework!
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Maybe I should PM this, but here we are.
I want to be clear. I am sure there are lots of good people and jobs in Las Vegas. I was speaking to where you were comin' from, as a tourist (as far as The Hard Rock Hotel goes)
I by no means want anyone to get the idea that my opinions here have to do with residents, or thier families or friends. That said, I would still expect the Strip to hold something offensive in store for me, I'll never visit it.
I'm gonna stick my neck out here. The Hard Rock anything is a joke to me. I could not give my money to those people. that's another topic in another forum, as you pointed out. [img]graemlins/shakehead2.gif[/img]
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Susan -
My heart SCREAMS...write the letter and keep us posted!
As an employee of the Hard Rock, I'd like to let you know that the Las Vegas Hard Rock, restaurant, hotel and casino has NOTHING to do with the rest of the Hard Rock Corp. It is solely owned by Peter Morton, who once partnered with Isaac Tigrett in the very beginnings of Hard Rock. The British Company Rank International owns today ALL the other Hard Rocks. So don't bother to stop at the manager level, write to Peter Morton himself and how about we fellow fans sign an electronic petition to send to Mr. Morton?? I'm sure we can somehow get his email out there to send it to or we can construct it here and send a paper version.
Also wanted to remind folks though the Hard Rock out in Vegas and restaurants seem museum-like they are not. They are displays of a privately owned collection-more so decorations if you will. Though this doesn't justify the tasteless display.
I work in one of the two official Hard Rock Vaults in the world, which are interactive museum attractions. We ARE actively promoted as such and we have NO such material on display where I work. Again the Hard Rock in Vegas is not connected with any of the others in the world or the Vault. I know this will help to direct your letter Susan to the correct party out in Vegas.
Now if anyone has issues with other Hard Rocks around the world and you have seen something offensive re: John's murder in a Hard Rock please write to the corporate offices:

Hard Rock Cafe Int'l
6100 Old Park Lane
Attn. Memorabilia Dept.
Orlando, FL 32835

Tell them, they need to know and I'd like to know too. I, for one, will do my best to keep ANY reference of his death out of the HR Vault here in the US, as it is the LIFE and the MUSIC we should celebrate ALWAYS and not the unsavory. Indeed it's just NOT cricket!
And if Hard Rock is a joke that's good for you and your opinion. For me, it has provided a living, put food on the table and given me a place to express my love for the Beatles on a daily basis to the many visitors from around the world. I am paid well for my expertise and I LAUGH all the way to the BANK!! [img]graemlins/laugh6.gif[/img]

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Well said Dr. Dreamer!


that's what I was thinking too. All of us that feel the same way should be writing letters! Mine is on the way thanks for the address.
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