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Old Jun 07, 2006, 04:18 AM   #121
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The denial mechanisms about Heather on the thread are now perplexing. Just exactly what more will it take for those pink-rose clouding Heather (still) to realize Paul made a mistake in judgment, she is not Mother Teresa
I am curious as to where you find these opinions on this thread. Maybe I am missing something, but I haven't really seen anybody look at Heather through rose colored glasses or talk about her in any saintly way whatsoever. Please enlighten me!
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I know that she´s sweet-talking Paul right now, that she´s doing that Yoko-thing, like "Gosh, look at them! How they´re hating us! Only we know the truth, don´t we? We stick together!"
How do we know this? I think that is hearsay!

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I can only hope that he gets through that as fast as possible and leaves this woman and all her lies and filth behind him. Sorry, Heather, but you´ve so gambled my confidence away.
No offense, Loka, but I think that sounds mean spirited. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Just a thought - perhaps, since you feel this way, another way of approaching this is to say something that sounds less judgmental. And why and how could Heather personally gamble away your confidence? When have you ever confided in her or seen her in a private venue or had a chance to talk to her?

Susan made a good point that not knowing someone who has become a public figure does not preclude others from forming and expressing/sharing opinions. That's natural - well and good. I take issue with these personal attacks on a person, such as what I quoted above. Maybe that is not how you meant for it to sound, Loka, but it sounded like that to me.

FPSHOT, your spoof on Help! was just TOO funny!
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Right!!
But no... Paul had no clue.
Do we know this in any way other than a tabloid article which quotes "a source"?
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Yeah, an alleged source. Take what you read in tabloids with a pillar and a truckload of salt!
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shots from pauls porno!



Ooh!!!!! I say!!!!! I can feel another hot flush and cold shower coming on!!!!!
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And as for those who hink we should adhere to Paul's wishes... why do you also then add your comments here instead of letting this topic die-out ?
Good point. Thank you! Good night! Try the veal!!
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Veal?
Old joke from....yeesh - dont' remember where.
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Old comedian's closing line...but I forgot "Tip Your Waitresses"...
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Two wrongs dont make it right ;)
It's like mathematics.

You have two negative numbers = positive number, e.g. -3 x -5 = +15

You have two positive numbers = positive number. 3 x 5 = 15

You have one of each = negative number. 3 x -5 = -15

Same concept applies here.

Wrong + Right = the wrong is still there. Here it gets a little tricky as you are dealing with abstract concepts as opposed to something more concrete. You have gradations of right and wrong in most cases.

Right + Right = Remains Right

Wrong + Wrong = Wrong

It somehow seemed logical to me, thinking in mathematical terms.
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Rell, hi, What I have found on this and other HMcC related threads is a good amount of rationalization about her patterns and behaviors and self sabotaging moves that accumulatively, don't leave any or much wiggle room for defending her, as kind as everyone tries to be. Her labyrinthian love life and lack of staying power with significant others or even particular charitable causes never sat well with me and I don't think it can be denied, there are patterns there that are negative ones. She has always seemed inscrutable, and a person who gets what she needs and moves on pretty quickly. I find it ironic, not only with Heather, about people who blame the media for marriage break ups. Especially those who court the media so much. A marriage needs to be like a mountain against such outside influence. Their marriage was not. Linda certainly demonstrated how a rich inner life and core can protect one's marriage and life goals. I also in general don't like the "LOOK AT ME!" desperation HMcC brings to all her charitable work, which has lessened over the past years. The Bible and Buddhist texts all say that if not done in relative anonymity, such work is then usually about the ego and one's need for attention. But I also want to say the discussions have been interesting, and people have usually remained very mindful in their tone and presentation of their differing views.
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Not sure that being a fan for 31 years has any relevence to be honest, i just think that if Paul could see what is being written he would be mortified and not really consider some of people making these posts fans, especially after his statement.
I highly doubt it. Paul has been a celebrity over 40 years now, and I really don't think he'd be "mortified" by a few negative opinions on a message board from people he's never met and not likely to ever meet. I'm sure he has thicker skin than that.

I don't think you have to approve of everything a celebrity does in order to be a fan. A person could like Paul's music, his causes, his appearance , his beliefs, his values, but not his wife...and I'd still consider that person a fan. It's like saying, "Well, you claim to like the Beatles...but you don't like the White Album, so even though you love all the others, you're not really a fan." Celebrities are human, just like us. They make mistakes, or errors in judgment, or say stupid things. Calling them out on it (in a civilized way) doesn't make you any less of a fan. In fact, IMHO, it makes you more of a fan, because you can see them as a real person rather than some ethereal saint.
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I don't think you have to approve of everything a celebrity does in order to be a fan. A person could like Paul's music, his causes, his appearance , his beliefs, his values, but not his wife...and I'd still consider that person a fan. It's like saying, "Well, you claim to like the Beatles...but you don't like the White Album, so even though you love all the others, you're not really a fan." Celebrities are human, just like us. They make mistakes, or errors in judgment, or say stupid things. Calling them out on it (in a civilized way) doesn't make you any less of a fan. In fact, IMHO, it makes you more of a fan, because you can see them as a real person rather than some ethereal saint.
I can go along with that. For example, I love John to pieces
but I thought he did Cynthia wrong. My Georgie has made a
mistake or two, and I adore him still. And they all mishandled
the Pete Best issue, but I'm still the biggest Beatle fiend you'll
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I highly doubt it. Paul has been a celebrity over 40 years now, and I really don't think he'd be "mortified" by a few negative opinions on a message board from people he's never met and not likely to ever meet. I'm sure he has thicker skin than that.

I don't think you have to approve of everything a celebrity does in order to be a fan. A person could like Paul's music, his causes, his appearance , his beliefs, his values, but not his wife...and I'd still consider that person a fan. It's like saying, "Well, you claim to like the Beatles...but you don't like the White Album, so even though you love all the others, you're not really a fan." Celebrities are human, just like us. They make mistakes, or errors in judgment, or say stupid things. Calling them out on it (in a civilized way) doesn't make you any less of a fan. In fact, IMHO, it makes you more of a fan, because you can see them as a real person rather than some ethereal saint.

Nicely put MM!

I doubt Paul would be mortified either & yes I'm sure Paul has tougher skin than many. I love to see the Beatles for who they are as people, but being that they are human, they have feelings, too. As tough as their skin may be, I don't see any reason to cause the hurt either, if you know what I mean.

One way to look at things is this regardless of who we're all talking about... Put yourself in that person's shoes. If you were the one being discussed, how would you feel if people were discussing you?
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Nicely put MM!

I doubt Paul would be mortified either & yes I'm sure Paul has tougher skin than many. I love to see the Beatles for who they are as people, but being that they are human, they have feelings, too. As tough as their skin may be, I don't see any reason to cause the hurt either, if you know what I mean.

One way to look at things is this regardless of who we're all talking about... Put yourself in that person's shoes. If you were the one being discussed, how would you feel if people were discussing you?
Oh, for sure! They do have feelings, and I don't think people should go out of their way to be nasty just because they can. Everything I've said on the boards, I'd be willing to say to Paul in person...and anything I wouldn't say, I try not to post.
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I can go along with that. For example, I love John to pieces
but I thought he did Cynthia wrong. My Georgie has made a
mistake or two, and I adore him still. And they all mishandled
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Oh yeah! I've been disappointed by what they've professionally(The Magical Mystery Tour) and personally. But came to terms with the fact that they are human.
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Oh, for sure! They do have feelings, and I don't think people should go out of their way to be nasty just because they can. Everything I've said on the boards, I'd be willing to say to Paul in person...and anything I wouldn't say, I try not to post.
Exactly, Mona...I have never said anything here that I would be ashamed to say to Paul's face.
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Mona and Asha, once again I have to chime in agreement with you.

I'm an inveterate Beatle fan, but I don't care for everything they did. Bat, I agree with you about the 1967 movie Magical Mystery Tour - I was never overly fond of that one and the scene with the spaghetti made me queasy.

I'm a major Beatle fan, but as GGirl said, I don't like the way l'affaire Pete Best was handled. One can't help but feel sorry for the guy - he was completely caught off guard. And GGirl, we all love John, but I think many will agree with you about Cynthia. In a 2001 interview I saw on VH-1 with Cynthia, she said that when the Beatles were in India, she was left behind at the train station. ("oh please believe me, I'd hate to miss the train, oh yeah/and if you leave me, I won't be late again, oh no" seems a propos). She said that in 1967 that trip was a hint of what was yet to come.

We all know I love George. That is a well documented fact. Still, I don't agree with everything he said and did and his alleged come on to Maureen in his own wife's presence did not sit well with me. I didn't like that.

I love the Beatles, but not every song - for example, I don't like Birthday, Revolution #9 and I never liked the covers Dizzy Miss Lizzy; Mr. Moonlight, What Goes On. I'm one of the biggest Beatle fans you'll ever encounter.

As others have said so well before me, you can like someone; admire them and respect their accomplishments, causes and beliefs, but you cannot agree with them on everything. As big a Paul fan as I've been since I was a young child, I did feel he took a rather draconian stand with his staff in re eating meat. It's one thing if you sign onto a job, agreeing to not eating meat on the job if that is one of the conditions. It is an entirely different matter to be fired just because your boss catches you scarfing a hamburger after hours. If you are on your own time, then I think the rules of the office don't apply. You don't eat meat at work or during office hours - well and good. When you are on your own time, then you should feel free to eat what you normally would and enjoy it without fear of losing your job.
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That's the thing about Paul that drives me nuts.

What kills me is on The Simpsons, he tells Lisa to respect other people's opinions.
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What kills me is on The Simpsons, he tells Lisa to respect other people's opinions.
Yeah, well, it might behoove some people around here to do that too -- but then again, it was just a cartoon Paul who said that...so I guess that doesn't count.
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