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Old Apr 28, 2003, 12:54 AM   #21
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I've always pronounced it "Eps-tine" and I do believe that the Beatles did as well.
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[img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] im american but pronounce it like that anyways...hehe

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Old Mar 21, 2006, 04:04 AM   #22
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It's funny, because it seems the Beatles always pronounced it Ep-stine, but both Gerry Marsden and Cilla Black say Ep-steen.

Funny, too, that no-one ever calls Albert Einstein 'Ein-steen'.
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Old Mar 21, 2006, 07:18 AM   #23
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As a matter of fact, Brian always corrected the people by pronouncing it "Epsteen".

In German, the language Yiddish originally comes from, itīs "-stein" and means "stone", itīs a very common ending of Jewish names.

@lennon4: I wonder about this scene when he corrects someone who pronounces it "Epsteen", could you watch that again and make sure if itīs that way? Because it would do nothing less than shaking my Beatles foundation. He always told everyone he wanted to be called "Epsteen".

I myself by the way pronounce it the German way.
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Old Mar 21, 2006, 08:29 AM   #24
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I always pronounce it "Epsteen".
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I pronounce it svdfrwte4wrqedfe-9ugr4o. In other words I mean I used to say Ep-Stine but I was watching some made for tv movie about John and Brian got mad when someone called him Ep-Stine, so out of respect I say Ep-steen.
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Old Mar 21, 2006, 03:40 PM   #26
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Ep-steen most of the time. Sometimes I say Ep-stine.
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Stiney-stine-stine. Ep-stine.

Actually that's how they pronounced the football player's name, so that's how I do it now.
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I've always said Ep-stine, cause that's how I've heard it pronounced on documentaries and stuff. It's true that it's mainly Americans who say Ep-steen. The Beatles themselves called him Ep-stine - check out rare track Brian Epstein Blues for an example.
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Old Mar 23, 2006, 07:39 AM   #29
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I've always pronounced it Ep-stine, since that's how the Beatles pronounced it and one would think that Brian's own secterary (First US Visit) knew how to pronounce her boss's name. I haven't seen "In His Life: The John Lennon Story", but I guess the scene that someone here descibed pretty much sums it up. If Brian said Ep-stine, I guess we can rely on that.
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Old Mar 23, 2006, 07:58 AM   #30
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In the "First Visit" DVD, not only does Brian's secretary indicate to a caller that his last name is pronounced "Ep-stine" (even correcting the caller when she mispronounces it), but Brian himself is sitting right there. I would think that the secretary knows how to pronounce it correctly.
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Old Mar 24, 2006, 07:37 AM   #32
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"steen" or "stine" Didn't John just call him Eppy?? How typical of Mr. Lennon or was it Lenin?
(for the record I pronounce it the German way "stine")
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Old Mar 24, 2006, 12:45 PM   #33
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Hmmmm, "Eps-tine" is also the German way of pronouncing it, and seeing as it seems to be German-rooted, maybe that's it? I've heard it pronounced both ways and have always wonder which is right as well!
ditto. I've always said "ep-STINE" just because that's the way I was taught in German. Names like htat have always confused me..
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My long-winded opinion:

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I've always said Ep-stine, pretty much because that's how the Beatles pronounce it, so it's become force of habit.
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Old Apr 29, 2011, 07:12 PM   #36
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cool topic! in the film 'the first visit' there is a scene where brian is in his hotel room. the phone rings, the assistant grabs it and says, "mr ep-stine's room." when he takes the phone, the other party say 'mr epsteen', not 5 seconds after hear 'mr epstine', very funny. . .
Sorry to bump this thread after all this time, but I think I finally have the answer to this question. In that same film (The Beatles: The First U.S. Visit) there is a scene where Brian is dictating to his secretary a cable to be delivered to Elvis Presley and Col. Tom Parker. At the end, he tells her to sign off "regards and best wishes...Brian Epstein", and he himself pronounces it "Ep-stine".

So it seems Ray Coleman and all the others were mistaken..."Ep-stine" it is!

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Old Apr 29, 2011, 07:27 PM   #37
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I have a Jewish friend who pronounces his own last name "Ep-steen," so I always thought it was that. I haven't gotten used to Ep-stine yet, but I'll try to make that the standard pronunciation for Brian.
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Old Apr 30, 2011, 04:27 AM   #38
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I have a Jewish friend who pronounces his own last name "Ep-steen," so I always thought it was that. I haven't gotten used to Ep-stine yet, but I'll try to make that the standard pronunciation for Brian.
I know Americans pronounce it "Ep-steen"...maybe "Ep-stine" is more of a British pronunciation. Ever since I first became aware of the history of The Beatles, I have always understood Brian's name to be "Ep-stine". That is how people in Britain pronounced it, even back in the Sixties.

Even so, after reading Ray Coleman's biography I wasn't sure. Coleman claims that Brian himself always pronounced it "Ep-steen", but gave up trying to correct people who said "Ep-stine" after The Beatles became nationally famous and moved to London in 1963.

But today I was watching the First U.S Visit film, and in that movie Brian himself unmistakeably pronounces his name as "Ep-stine". So it seems Ray Coleman got it wrong.

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Old Apr 30, 2011, 07:22 AM   #39
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The ultimate authority is the man himself. If he says it's "styne", then that's what it is.

I imagine that would have been the normal British pronunciation anyway, because generally British pronunciation of continental European names is closer to the original than it tends to be in America. I worked with someone called Krukowski back in the 70s in the North of England. No one ever pronounced his name with the "cow" sound, as Americans would (as in The Big Lebowski). They always said "Krukoffski", as Poles would say it.

I never heard the "steen" thing very much at all in the UK until quite recently. It was always "Einstyne" "Eisenstyne" "Frankenstyne", etc. Mind you, even in America some Jews get annoyed if you deviate from the correct German way. Leonard Bernstein used to throw a fit if anyone called him Bernsteen. On the other hand, Elmer Bernstein seemed happy to be Bernsteen. It's up to the person who owns the name. If you're talking about Leonard, it's Bernstyne; if you're talking about Elmer, it's Bernsteen.

So, if nuttybolt is right about what Brian says in The First US Visit, then "Epstyne" is the right pronunciation. Case closed.
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The "steen" pronunciation is more common in the US.
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