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Old Feb 15, 2010, 06:20 PM   #41
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John killed Stu? Bullshit. It'd be hard for anyone to live with that, John especially. It's not probable.

Gay relationship...Maybe. It could swing either way. There's facts supporting both, I suppose. I personally think there wasn't, but if there was, it's not my place to judge. If that actually happened, go for it.
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Old Feb 15, 2010, 07:29 PM   #42
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I think the doctors consensus was that it's unlikely, too much time between the head kick & Stu's death.
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Old Jun 09, 2010, 05:37 PM   #43
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Well, my opinion about these musical bed games is this... it doesn't change anything about what they meant to us as Beatles. As far as those guys "off" the stage... who knows. I mean I would find it disturbing if one of them hurt a child (never happened) BUT, as consenting adults...

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Old Jun 09, 2010, 06:39 PM   #44
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He was just 17, you know what we mean....

I don't know if there is anything to these rumors or not and frankly, it really doesn't even matter. Good point about none of them hurting or involving any children.

What they do behind closed doors is their business and stories like this serve no real purpose in the long run.
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Old Jun 09, 2010, 08:20 PM   #45
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Been thinkin' about this.. and, yeah, ultimately it doesn't matter what happened 50 years ago between two consenting adults behind closed doors... but, then again, maybe it does.

I mean, maybe things like this just shed a light on how much we have changed as a society. Back in 1960, it was considered so shameful for something like this to become public knowledge, but now... people say things like "Who cares?" That's great!

Western society has generally become more tolerant of these types of things... and we've come to understand that sexuality is not a clearly defined, fixed concept. It varies from person to person... and even from time to time within an individual person. We have a long way to go, of course, in truly being tolerant... but we have come a long way.

It makes me sad for people like Brian Epstein and others who lived their lives so needlessly in shame...
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Old Jun 09, 2010, 10:32 PM   #46
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It makes me sad for people like Brian Epstein and others who lived their lives so needlessly in shame...
So true. : (
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Old Jun 12, 2010, 07:50 AM   #47
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It IS sad. People should be free to love whomever they love.

Look at Raymond Burr and his partner, Robert. Those men loved each other and had a good life together for 38 years. I saw Robert in an interview a few years ago and it was quite plain these men had a loving union.

I wish it could be that way for everyone.

On the flip side, there was Liberace who was so obvious about his orientation, yet lived under the delusion that nobody knew he was interested in other men. So what if he was? What bothers me is that the times dictated discretion (people having to hide these feelings) and that Liberace, with all his posing, posturing, flames, feathers and boas thought people didn't know.

So what if a person is gay, bi or straight? A person's orientation is a part of their life, but not the definition of that person nor is it a marker of whether or not a person is a good person or not.

I just feel so passionate about not marginalizing or showing bigotry to any group that it upsets me to no end whenever I come across it in any way, shape or form.
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Old Dec 26, 2011, 08:54 PM   #48
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No offense to the alternative lifestyle, but I can't see Stu, Pete, or any of the Fab Four sucking face with another guy, tons of women, hell yeah! But they loved Brian as a mentor/ big brother. I'm sure if any homphobe tried to hurt him back in the day, his little Beatle bros would beat the crap out the jerk!

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Old Jan 01, 2012, 01:47 PM   #49
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Homosexual acts were illegal in the UK until 1967...anyone growing up in a seaport ( Liverpool) would have been aware of gays, ( Sailors you know ..nudge nudge wink wink) but if Lennon did have any contact with that lifestyle it was more likely to have been "queer bashing" a popular sport in the UK at the time...they admit to having done it in Hamburg when broke..but who did the enticing...must have bee n a pretty one!!

So maybe Stu did it...just pure supposition like the rest of the " theories" put forward by the "quick buck" merchants.

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Old Jan 01, 2012, 01:53 PM   #50
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He was just 17, you know what we mean....

I don't know if there is anything to these rumors or not and frankly, it really doesn't even matter. Good point about none of them hurting or involving any children.

What they do behind closed doors is their business and stories like this serve no real purpose in the long run.
actually they serve a big purpose. For many who are in similar situations of hiding their true identity, learning that others have done it before you and you are not alone is a big stepping stone.

as far as gay culture in Liverpoole, there is a gay museum down there I've heard tell of that shows the gay history of the sailors as well as their culture. (even sailors with wives and children married each other while at sea). Why do you think brian liked the docks so much? Liverpoole has a very rich gay history that is enshrined in a museum.
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Old Jan 01, 2012, 01:55 PM   #51
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No offense to the alternative lifestyle, but I can't see Stu, Pete, or any of the Fab Four sucking face with another guy, tons of women, hell yeah! But they loved Brian as a mentor/ big brother. I'm sure if any homphobe tried to hurt him back in the day, his little Beatle bros would beat the crap out the jerk!
I don't see them sucking face either (though I have seen pictures of John and George and Paul and Ringo kissing) but then, face isn't what John's accused of sucking....
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Old Jan 01, 2012, 02:48 PM   #52
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I saw an interview on TV where a reporter asked Paul if John was gay. Paul indicated that he was certain this was not the case. The reporter asked "How can you be sure?" Paul replied, "Because he never hit on me." I thought that was a great answer.

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Old Jan 01, 2012, 03:25 PM   #53
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I'm sure if John tried to hit on Paul, he might get a black eye since "The Cute One" loved the ladies and vice versa or told off! If there are pictures of the Fab Four kissing, it's probably in a brotherly way since they grew up together.
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Old Jan 01, 2012, 06:18 PM   #54
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I don't believe that Paul would have hit John. He kissed Elton on the lips on film and then bragged about it in Rolling Stone. He's not the type of guy to hit if someone suggest he's bi.
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Old Jan 01, 2012, 08:07 PM   #55
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When the heck did he brag about kissing Elton on the lips to Rolling Stone mag? I wonder if he did it for for or was curious. Since gays played an important part in their history, I know they were not homophobic. I think their idol Little Richard was or still is bi, and I recently found out Billy Preston was gay. Dusty Springfield was bi, and I believe she was good friends with the group. Another super talented singer gone too soon due to cancer.
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I doubt any of them would kiss and tell.

I also don't think any of them were gay.
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Old Jan 04, 2012, 04:32 AM   #57
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It was the issue of Rolling stone taht came out around 9/11 this year where they interviewed Paul about his movie The Love We Made.
Little Richard wasn't bi. He was gay and there are funny stories about of him chasing Ringo around.
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Old Jan 04, 2012, 10:35 AM   #58
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I briefly read Little Richard's autobio once, I know he was honored that the Fab four were influenced by his music. I recall he stated Brian asked him to help in getting the Beatles exposure on American radio, but Richard did not want to see them get exploited, so he turned Brian's request down. I haven't read the book in a long time. If he chased Ringo, I hope Ringo let him down nicely.

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