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Old May 06, 2003, 06:17 AM   #1
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Default Heather Mills a liar and a cheat!.

HEATHER MILLS found fame and riches beyond belief when she became Mrs Paul McCartney.

But tomorrow an explosive TV documentary will claim the former glamour model is an amoral gold-digger with a murky, sordid past.

Her family, friends and ex-lovers are said to reveal another side of the woman McCartney married last June.

Dianna Karmal, her former sister-in-law, says: “She’s very destructive.

She is like a praying mantis when it comes to men. She uses her sexual charms quite brilliantly and they are the ones who are hurt.”

Mystery has surrounded periods of 35-year-old Lady McCartney’s life from the time she was a teenager.

Friends say her seven year-long double life in pursuit of sex and money is conveniently absent from her autobiography, A Single Step.

Ros Ashley, a former “pleasure wife” for rich Arab men, claims she met Heather, then just 18, at The Ritz in London and introduced her to a number of wealthy Lebanese businessmen.

She says Heather enjoyed the hospitality of oil-rich Arabs and a world of casinos, top hotels and private jets.

In the documentary, Ros says: “If you know Heather and you’ve known her for many years, you know that she has reinvented herself.

I’m not the only person, there are many more who want to tell their stories about the Heather Mills who they really know.”

Ros was the former mistress of Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi and also claims Mohamed Fayed and his son Dodi were among her lovers.

Ros and Heather first met in Khashoggi’s London hotel suite.

Ros recalls: “There were four very pretty girls in the room. One in particular had a Newcastle accent and, being from the North myself, we got chatting. Her name was Heather Mills.

“Heather’s ambition was to meet a wealthy man, whether Arab, English, French, Spanish, whatever would give her wealth and status.

She had a magnificent figure and once she started to dress correctly and not look tarty but sophisticated, she looked the part.”

Heather’s first conquest, according to Ros, was a rich Lebanese businessman and soon she had a luxury Chelsea flat and a flashy red sports car.

Heather was also having an on-off relationship at this time with sales manager Alfie Karmal, now 44, who later became her first husband.

She shared his house in Stanmore, North London but, much to his puzzlement, kept “disappearing”.

Alfie says: “She told me she was staying at a friend’s house in Chelsea and she was sleeping on the floor.

He reveals: “The difference between now and what had happened before was that she suddenly accepted that she was a compulsive liar.”

Alfie claims Heather agreed to go to a psychiatrist at Bushey Hospital, Herts, and attended eight sessions.

He said: “The psychiatrist convinced me Heather’s behaviour was normal after what she had been through and that I should make allowances.”

The couple married in 1989 at a country club in Middlesex and moved to a luxury house in Hertfordshire.

But Heather was soon getting itchy feet again. Dianna says: “She wanted to be in command of her own destiny, her own bank balance and how and what she did with her life. Being a wife to Alfie was just too restrictive.”

In 1991 Heather suffered an ectopic pregnancy. Alfie sent her on a skiing holiday in Slovenia to cheer her up.

But once she was there, he says, she fell in love with her skiing instructor — a man called Milos — and finally left her husband. But not before trashing their home.

Alfie claims: “I thought I’d been robbed. A big glass door panel was smashed, wallpaper up the stairwells had been ripped off — the bedroom was like a bomb site.”

By the following year, her affair with the skiing instructor was over and Heather had resumed contact with her old set of friends — and was busy showing off her new curves.

Ros saw her at a party and says: “She looked fresh and thin and toned and was wearing a short skirt.

“She said, ‘I’ll show you how good I look’ and started to disrobe — in front of the guests. She just stood there absolutely naked.

“We were quite embarrassed about it but Heather? No — she was back on the quest for fame, wealth and a rich husband.”

Before marrying McCartney, Heather is believed to have had three other fiancés: Italian banker Raffaele Mincione, executive Marcus Stapleton and TV producer Chris Terrill — but always backed out, sometimes days before she was due down the aisle

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Old May 06, 2003, 06:42 AM   #2
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Default Re: Heather Mills a liar and a cheat!.

Youch. Pretty catty stuff. I'm not a particular fan of Heather's, but this seems pretty harsh to me. Sounds like some former acquaintences are out for their 15 minutes of fame. Ah, how I do NOT love tabloid TV......
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Old May 06, 2003, 06:49 AM   #3
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Default Re: Heather Mills a liar and a cheat!.

Oooouch!
It's not like I'm interested on Mrs. Mills McCartney, but that's harsh stuff, isn't it?
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Old May 06, 2003, 06:50 AM   #4
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i hope that if all this is true, that Paul gets the truth from her herself and not have to hear all this talk in the media first

and if this is true at all, she better don't f*** up Paul's life!
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Default Re: Heather Mills a liar and a cheat!.

I wonder if this is the "documentary" in THIS TOPIC? Some of this is stuff I've heard before, though I have to admit Ros Ashley's contributions are new to me. But this reminds me of the supposed Paul/Yoko feud over his credit switch--another story rehashed by the media for sales/ratings. Even if I could see this, I personally wouldn't bother -- just not interested enough.
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Old May 06, 2003, 09:24 AM   #6
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Even if I could see this, I personally wouldn't bother
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Unfortunately, I'm sure my morbid curiousity would get the better of me, but since I can't see it, I guess the point is moot.
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">She is supposed to be a gold digger, yet she backs out of marriage to three guys who seem like they would have alot of money. that's a bit contradictory.

I saw Heather on Larry King- she says she had a wild weird life, homeless, she said she stole, she did alot of things. And I don't know how much of a sexual siren she could present herself as since she has lost a leg and that is usually a turn off for most men. It looks more like jealousy on these people's parts. Perhaps she no longer speaks to them, for good reason.

ALSO, Paul McCartney is NOT DUMB. He's too much of a penny pincher! Ha- that's a joke. I can't fathom him being taken in by some gold digger. Paul would not have married Heather if they had not connected on a very deep level. He seems happy with her. Yes, she's a wild card, yes, it seems like she and the kids don't get along, but Paul sees something in her that others don't, and isn't his the most important opinion.

I've noticed some Beatle fans seem to HATE HEATHER even more than they hated Yoko Ono. It's too late to stop this marriage, it's too late to stop Paul from falling in love with her, so I wish people would just leave her alone and let the Paul and Heather chips fall where they may.
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Old May 06, 2003, 11:28 AM   #8
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As for me, Walrusegg, I hope for Paul's sake that she doesn't end up taking him to the cleaners. I get rather worried when I hear her being referred to as a "golddigger", as it's be referred to Heather many, many times before. I sincerely hope it is all rubbish, and that she did just happen to fall in love with Paul, the man and not Paul, as recently reported, the richest man in Britain. I think what you're seeing as 'hate' for Heather is actually concern for Paul. I for one don't want to see him get hurt. Of course, we have no control over that. We can only hope and pray that these allegations against Heather are merely vicious rumors.
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Yes, I understand, Magill, you care for him. But all of us have heard she is a gold digger, Paul has to have heard all this as well. He couldn't have not addressed this. And Lord, you don't think the kids told him, too- I can't even imagine what they said. Paul is too rich to be taken to the cleaners. Half of a billion is still half a billion, more than enough to live on.

The thing is, I do hear people say they don't want him taken to the cleaners and such, but it's too late to stop that! they are already married and she did or didn't have a pre-nup. I think Paul said in an interview though that he took steps to make sure there is no way his kids can be deprived if he and Heather don't make it. Even if they divorced, we both know Paul is not going to be cheating on her, so he would have to divorce her. There is no court that will be on Heather Mill's side.

I think if people really care for Paul's happiness, they will slow down trying to drive a wedge between Paul and Heather and will stop driving home issues that are too late to do anything about. That's the real issue, it's too late! If Paul is unhappy, he might even go longer in the marriage than he would have just to prove everyone wrong.

Maybe she was a gold digger before, maybe she was an awful person before, I think she has admitted that, but let's give her the benefit of the doubt that she has changed. It has to be left in Paul's hands. The only result of all this Heather stuff will be to make Paul unhappy. It won't change any money pay-outs, that has already been decided. There's something there beteen them that just has to be respected. We have to trust Paul- we have to do what he says and support him. He's happy now, that's all that really matters.

Paul is not an idiot, and hopefully, we can get some good songs out of it all before it's over. I liked Linda alot, but I don't want Paul to mourn her forever and neither would Linda. The time to act against Heather was BEFORE they got married, not AFTER.

All this does is bring Paul pain.
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The time to act against Heather was BEFORE they got married, not AFTER.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Honestly, I don't think ANY time is the time to act against Heather. It's their lives, they're grownups and no matter how much it might seem to the contrary somtimes WE don't know them and don't know the full story. We can just watch and wait and see how things play out.
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Also, everything is subjective- let's turn the tables and say the Beatle bottomed out after Revolver and were forgotten and Mills was the rich and beloved one- what might people say about Paul.

McCartney in the sixties went from town to town in his band having sex with groupies who appeared at his door. Shallow and a sexaholic, he only went for the pretty ones with blonde hair. McCartney, a self-confessed drug addict who was constantly on cocaine and LSD throughout the sixties and who has been busted more than once because of his terrible drug problems, spending time in jail in Japan because of his indulgences. His very best friends have turned on him and he's such a terrible person he constantly was sueing them for money while leaving his kids to live without. Who is this fiend who has hooked up with our beloved Heather Mills?

Of course that's not how Paul really is, now is it? But certainly people could interpret him as such. It's all subjective.
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Old May 06, 2003, 01:15 PM   #12
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Also, everything is subjective- let's turn the tables and say the Beatle bottomed out after Revolver and were forgotten and Mills was the rich and beloved one- what might people say about Paul.

McCartney in the sixties went from town to town in his band having sex with groupies who appeared at his door. Shallow and a sexaholic, he only went for the pretty ones with blonde hair. McCartney, a self-confessed drug addict who was constantly on cocaine and LSD throughout the sixties and who has been busted more than once because of his terrible drug problems, spending time in jail in Japan because of his indulgences. His very best friends have turned on him and he's such a terrible person he constantly was sueing them for money while leaving his kids to live without. Who is this fiend who has hooked up with our beloved Heather Mills?

Of course that's not how Paul really is, now is it? But certainly people could interpret him as such. It's all subjective.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Thats an excellent way of putting things across.
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Her family, friends and ex-lovers are said to reveal another side of the woman McCartney married last June.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Err..Anyone else bothered by this sentence? They're not much of a friend if they would reveal horrible things about her, are they? Though I doubt anything this documentary has to say is the truth, anyway...
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but Paul sees something in her that others don't, and isn't his the most important opinion.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">As it's his life, the above is certainly true. I think we are acting out of our love for Paul, we don't want him hurt. You're right, what's done is done. Maybe many of the earlier reports about her are true. Maybe she has changed. I don't know - I don't know her. I wish for happiness for Paul. He is a grown man and well capable of making his own decisions.
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She is supposed to be a gold digger, yet she backs out of marriage to three guys who seem like they would have alot of money. that's a bit contradictory.

I saw Heather on Larry King- she says she had a wild weird life, homeless, she said she stole, she did alot of things. And I don't know how much of a sexual siren she could present herself as since she has lost a leg and that is usually a turn off for most men. It looks more like jealousy on these people's parts. Perhaps she no longer speaks to them, for good reason.

ALSO, Paul McCartney is NOT DUMB. He's too much of a penny pincher! Ha- that's a joke. I can't fathom him being taken in by some gold digger. Paul would not have married Heather if they had not connected on a very deep level. He seems happy with her. Yes, she's a wild card, yes, it seems like she and the kids don't get along, but Paul sees something in her that others don't, and isn't his the most important opinion.

I've noticed some Beatle fans seem to HATE HEATHER even more than they hated Yoko Ono. It's too late to stop this marriage, it's too late to stop Paul from falling in love with her, so I wish people would just leave her alone and let the Paul and Heather chips fall where they may.
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Couldn't have said it better myself, walrus.
I completely agree.

Your analogy about Paul's history is the most intelligent thing in allt these Heather discussions I've heard, VERY WELL SAID!

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As people have already said, just because Heather has had a clouded past, that doesn't mean that she is a terrible woman now. People seem to forget that she has been through a life altering experience since then - she lost a limb. That is certainly enough to make a person re-evaluate their life and make a few changes. What has Heather done since losing her leg? She has worked tirelessly for others who have lost limbs. She has fought for better prosthetic (sp) limbs to be made available, she has campaigned to clear landmines, and she has put accross a positive image for others in her situation - that if you have lost a limb you can still have a full life and look good.

I had heard of Heather before she even met Paul. She wasn't hugely famous, but many people knew who she was in England. Back then the press portrayed her as a brave and heroic woman who had been through a traumatic experience and fought back to help others. Nobody disputed this then and all these 'friends' didn't say a word. Since she met Paul, however, she has been portrayed as a one-legged freak whose sole intention is to get her hands on Paul's money.

At the end of the day, Paul knows Heather, we don't. Paul is no idiot, and has always proved himself to be a shrewd businessman. I find it difficult to believe that he would let himself be taken for a ride.
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Paulie's angry and he brought lawyers!
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I don't think that Heather is a "bad" person or a "good" person, mostly because I don't know much about her, but I really wouldn't base my opinion of her on what appears to be a tabloid televison shock-umentary. The very fact that EX-lovers and EX-sister-in-laws are the ones with all the "facts" really casts doubt on the story. Seriously, if you were ever in a position to do an interview about an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend with whom you had a sour parting, would you want to talk about the vanilla stuff, or would you tarnish their reputation as best you could? (This goes doubly for all these interviewees since Heather Mills is now Paul's wife! Who wouldn't want their fifteen minutes of fame?!)

However, nobody will ever know for sure who is telling the truth about her past -- Heather will likely deny it, and the TV show will state that it's entirely factual, blah blah blah. What we can do is keep our prejudices to a minimum and wait to see what happens.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">
Before marrying McCartney, Heather is believed to have had three other fiancés: Italian banker Raffaele Mincione, executive Marcus Stapleton and TV producer Chris Terrill — but always backed out, sometimes days before she was due down the aisle
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">She is supposed to be a gold digger, yet she backs out of marriage to three guys who seem like they would have alot of money. that's a bit contradictory.

I saw Heather on Larry King- she says she had a wild weird life, homeless, she said she stole, she did alot of things. And I don't know how much of a sexual siren she could present herself as since she has lost a leg and that is usually a turn off for most men. It looks more like jealousy on these people's parts. Perhaps she no longer speaks to them, for good reason.

ALSO, Paul McCartney is NOT DUMB. He's too much of a penny pincher! Ha- that's a joke. I can't fathom him being taken in by some gold digger. Paul would not have married Heather if they had not connected on a very deep level. He seems happy with her. Yes, she's a wild card, yes, it seems like she and the kids don't get along, but Paul sees something in her that others don't, and isn't his the most important opinion.

I've noticed some Beatle fans seem to HATE HEATHER even more than they hated Yoko Ono. It's too late to stop this marriage, it's too late to stop Paul from falling in love with her, so I wish people would just leave her alone and let the Paul and Heather chips fall where they may.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Well said walrusegg. These are the same people that used Michael Jackson to get their 15 minutes of fame. Looks like they want 15 minutes more. What a bunch of losers. [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img]

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