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Old Jul 23, 2005, 10:52 PM   #1
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Default Was Jimmy Page A Genius?

I don't know what qualifies one for genius status, but do you think in the realm of rock music that Jimmy Page was/is a genius for his innovativeness, originality and contributions to the genre? Voice your opinions please.
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Old Jul 24, 2005, 05:30 AM   #2
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He was a rock star, nothing more for me. I wouldn't regard him as a music genius myself but each to their own.
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Old Jul 24, 2005, 08:35 AM   #3
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He heavily riffed a lot of the old blues guitarists (like a lot of other people) but that don't stop me from liking him.So hes a great musician,but not a genius IMO. I think hes great and I love Led Zep, but Hendrix will always win that fantasy guitar competition I am currently having.
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Old Jul 24, 2005, 08:40 AM   #4
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Oh, I'd say he's got that certain special something.
I mean, how many guitarist do you know can pull off an amazing guitar solo using a violin bow?
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Old Jul 24, 2005, 03:42 PM   #5
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Old Jul 24, 2005, 03:52 PM   #6
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Lol. Great pic
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Jimmy Page was not a genius. He was boring.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 02:05 AM   #8
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Jimmy Page is a mixed bag for me. For the work he did with The Yardbirds, and Led Zeppelin, he'll always get props from me. I like his guitar playing, but he tends to be a bit sloppy on stage. I don't think he's a genius on the level of John Lennon or Brian Wilson (or even his former Yardbird bandmate Jeff Beck). I also don't like the fact that plagiarized some material and claimed it as his own (Dazed And Confused is classic example of this practice). Just my two pesos.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 02:58 AM   #9
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Arrggghhh Page boring!!!???? He was and still is one of the greatest guitarists of all time I'm sure the Beatles did a little borrowing in there time as well so that argument falls down!
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I'm sure the Beatles did a little borrowing in there time as well so that argument falls down!
Um, no! There's a big difference between borrowing and flat-out plagiarizing. What Page did with Dazed And Confused was plagiarism. The original version was written and recorded by Jake Holmes in 1967, but the songwriting credit on the first Led Zeppelin album only lists Jimmy Page as the songwriter, with no mention of Jake Holmes.

As the story goes, Holmes was the opening for The Yardbirds in New York City in August of 1967, and Page saw Holmes perform the number before The Yardbirds went on. The next day, Page and Jim McCarty went to a record shop in Greenwich Village and both of them picked up a copy of the "The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes", which contained the original version of "Dazed And Confused".

The Yardbirds performed "Dazed And Confused" as part of their stage act for the rest of their existence, but never recorded the song in the studio, although live versions do exist. Page subsequently used it for the first Led Zeppelin album, helping himself to the songwriting credits.

For more info, feel free to visit www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 06:21 PM   #11
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Page was a fantastic guitar player but not quite genius.
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[quote=Muppotmup]Arrggghhh Page boring!!!???? He was and still is one of the greatest guitarists of all time

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A genius? Like Einstien? Well heck no!
However, he is a hell of a producer (pun intended) and a original guitar player to say the least. One of the top 5 ever. But who among us hasn't picked up on stuff here and there, adopted it as our own and claimed to learn much from Aliester Crowley?
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OK, maybe not that last bit, but...
His re-masters of the Zeppelin CDs are also the single best remasters ever. Well done.
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A genius? Like Einstien? Well heck no!
However, he is a hell of a producer (pun intended) and a original guitar player to say the least. One of the top 5 ever. But who among us hasn't picked up on stuff here and there, adopted it as our own and claimed to learn much from Aliester Crowley?
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OK, maybe not that last bit, but...
His re-masters of the Zeppelin CDs are also the single best remasters ever. Well done.
didnt know aliester crowley was a guitarist :P

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Nah, I don't consider Jimi and genius, he was quite innovative and fearless in his guitar playing. Which made him really great.
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I saw Led Zeppelin in concert many times starting in 69 through the mid seventies. I have partial hearing loss in my left ear due to a speaker I stood in front of, and busted my ear drum at the second concert.

I first saw Led Zeppelin in ’69, I was 16, living in Seattle, and put out $3.50 to see them at the Seattle Coliseum.

Let me say this… They were the first band I saw that played alone, a straight set for over three hours. I left the first concert, drenched wet, euphoric, like an out of body experience. They changed my view of music. Led Zeppelin launched my groupie career.

I never dated a man who didn't play in a band. And I never met a guitar player (and I knew a lot of them) who didn't worship Page.

Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice is a very popular book among occultists. I read this book back in the early 70s. His picture is on Sgt. Peppers. And some of his work influenced Zep.
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Good question. Jimmy Page is a great guitarist. Mixed and melded his influences in a memorable way. Definitely a legend and a qualified Hall Of Famer. But hard for me to say that he is a genuis in music overall, meaning all forms of music. Possibly a genius in rock music.

I give him credit where he is due it for a lot of things. Yes, I agree that the remastered Zeppelin CDs have pristine sound quality.
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Well not really being the biggest Led Zep fan (and that putting it nicely) I don't think I could say IMHO that he was a genius, I think he was good, but not neccesarily a genius.
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It's undeniable that the man has a natural ear for music (and talent for bending the ol' guitar strings ). Not to mention his hard work on producing and remastering on How The West Was Won. Nothing less than fantastic. I think Jimmy deserves more credit than he's given. He's done much more for rock music than not.
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Magill, you're correct about Jimmy. Many don't know what it was like to produce those guitar sounds without the high-tech equipment that is now available to bands.

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