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Old Oct 28, 2002, 04:19 PM   #1
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Default Why Don\'t We Do It In the Fic?

I noticed there were a couple of posts in the Mary-Sue topic talking about sex scenes, good and bad, in fan fiction, so I thought it might be helpful for writers to have a topic where we discuss how to write such scenes. The intent here is for us to help each other improve our writing skills. Hopefully, we can do this without offending anyone or being graphic--if not, off to the showers--sans your favorite Beatle!

To start the discussion, I'll offer some advice I got from a panel about writing sex scenes at a science fiction convention I attended a couple of years ago. The main thing I learned from the panel was to focus on the emotions--which don't necessarily have to be desire. For instance, you could have a character learning to trust again after a bad experience, so he or she might think about the experience or what makes him/her trust the current partner.

In my personal opinion, the scene should be there as part of the plot, not to distract from it. I don't see anything wrong with writing a story which leads up to a big sex scene; I wrote a story like that myself. If a sexual act changes the relationship between two characters, then it's important and deserves to be described in a full scene. If it's not as important, then it can be deemphasized.

Again, I started this topic to talk about writing. Let's keep this clean enough for Beatlelinks, please.

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Old Oct 28, 2002, 04:31 PM   #2
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This was a good topic idea, San!

When I write sex scenes, I sort of hint at what's actually physically taking place--so, in other words, no sinking into base language description. I think that when you hint at things, you leave A LOT up to the reader's imagination...and if your readers have an active imagination, the story could be VERY interesting!

And, yes, it IS important to concentrate on the emotions within the situation so that the scene works into the overall plot without detracting from it. I know we've all read some terrible stories where this is the case...

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Old Oct 28, 2002, 05:50 PM   #3
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Many of my stories have no sex whatsoever in them, but when it does come up (no pun intended), there is never any foul language involved; it's just not necessary.
I've read a lot of stuff filled with graphic descriptions of body parts and four-letter words, but I think that everyone here knows better than that, at least I hope we do. As a rule, a few words and a fade to the next scene will suffice, but if the act is important to the story, it's still not too difficult to keep it tasteful, IMO.
I think saying something like, "she opened herself to him without reservation" conveys the idea that the characters are going into a sex act just as well as a more graphic and perhaps disgusting point by point description of the entire act does. A lot of description is not necessary EXCEPT when the sex act is the point of the story, which it very rarely is.

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Old Oct 29, 2002, 03:52 PM   #4
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As I said at the Mary Sue thread, I'm lame as hell with sex scenes - especially when I'm writing in English (as most of my fanfic jobs are). It's VERY easy to mistake the meaning of the words and end up scribbing a lot of rubbish - now picture that when you are trying to sell to the reader a "steamy" scene!...

Still, I try. And I like to keep it sutble. Reality leaves a lot to imagination, someone said once - so I let the readers imagine it as they want it!

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Old Oct 29, 2002, 04:00 PM   #5
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Hmmmm..looks like I blew those rules right out of the water with the Charity Case saga. Sorry.

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Old Oct 29, 2002, 06:13 PM   #6
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Yes, Magill, you are indeed filthy with your filthy ways. Don't sweat it, though. Filth can be fun; I am just talking about writing seriously. We're not serious with this Mary Sue thing; it's a parody.
When I need a few bucks, I sometimes write porn, for goodness sake! I have written two novels which are only sold in adult bookstores. I am working on a porn novel right now, as a matter of fact, in my off time. It's an easy write and an easy sell.
Hey, listen--John loved a dirty girl!!!!
It's just that there is a time and a place, you know? You can't write that stuff (or shouldn't) for a site where 12 year olds are apt to see it. I am writing a steamy gay story for Suspect Thoughts e-zine right now, also.
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Old Oct 29, 2002, 06:38 PM   #7
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When it comes to writing sex scenes, and honestly, I haven't written many, I want "show" what's going on, more then outright "telling." But I also want to make the scene beautiful (if it's right for the story) and not have too much detail, I don't want to spoil everything for the reader. I hardly use graphic and four-letter words when I write sex scenes...some people do find that kind of talk on "turn on" but not me. It is not necessary...too much of that junk is in the movies and TV today.
Oh, these kinds of scenes are fun to write, especially if you really care about your story and your characters as well.

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Old Oct 29, 2002, 07:09 PM   #8
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Speaking of sex scenes...Have any of you read 'Like Dreamers Do'? That wonderful peice of fiction has at least five steamy scenes every chapter! The way she writes (forgot the authors name, so sorry) is fabulous, she includes both emotion and physical activity and you can totally picture it in your mind *dirty thoughts*.

Or have any of you read 'A Dark and Snowy Night' (with the other multiple parts like 'Mistress and Maid' etc)? Her writing is more physical but still quite lovely.

I'm awful myself at writing sex scenes but i think i may be getting better. I have a new piece of fiction up on my webby five chapters long and will be quite a masterpiece by the time I finish it. Feel free to take a peek at it sometime.



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Old Oct 29, 2002, 07:19 PM   #9
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Like others have said, I'm awful at writing sex! The hang-up I'm having now with my story (finally in the editing stages--yay!) is whether or not it needs one--cause I'll tell you, not every story does.

When I read or write sex, I like things kept simple. Euphemisms are better than base anatomy, but some writers have a tendency to take that to nasty extremes, i.e. "He could feel his manhood rise as she heaved her supple mounds..." ICKY!!! Just don't go overboard and you'll do fine.

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Old Oct 29, 2002, 09:22 PM   #10
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By PauLuver69:
Speaking of sex scenes...Have any of you read 'Like Dreamers Do'? That wonderful peice of fiction has at least five steamy scenes every chapter! The way she writes (forgot the authors name, so sorry) is fabulous, she includes both emotion and physical activity and you can totally picture it in your mind *dirty thoughts*.

Or have any of you read 'A Dark and Snowy Night' (with the other multiple parts like 'Mistress and Maid' etc)? Her writing is more physical but still quite lovely.

I'm awful myself at writing sex scenes but i think i may be getting better. I have a new piece of fiction up on my webby five chapters long and will be quite a masterpiece by the time I finish it. Feel free to take a peek at it sometime.

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Welcome, PaulLuvr!

Yes, I've read both of those fics, in fact, I know the authors. "Like Dreamers Do" is by a woman named Sandy...she writes some of the BEST erotica I've ever read! And so does Bonnie, who wrote "Dark & Snowy Nite" and its sequels...

Hope you have fun here on the forums!

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Old Oct 30, 2002, 04:26 AM   #11
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My one basic opinion on writing sex scenes is keep it subtle. You don't have to get too descriptive for the reader to be able to grasp what's happening and let their imagination take over. Each person has different limits on how much they want to know, if you keep it subtle, the reader only knows what they want to.

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Filthy in your filthy ways...*giggles*

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Old Oct 30, 2002, 06:19 AM   #13
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I was going to attempt to write a beatle fic...i have the storyline in me head...i'm glad i read this thread...so if i decide to put a sex scene in it...i know how to go about it

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Old Oct 30, 2002, 06:32 AM   #14
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My stories almost never have sex scenes and if anything does occur between two consenting adults, it is not described but merely alluded. Focus is on the interaction and dynamics between the parties invovled. At no time is anything intimate described.

I like Sandra's suggestions and I think what she has posted makes sense. Focusing on the feelings between the mutually consenting parties is, IMHO much more effective.

And like Susan said, NO cats and roosters, please!

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I think there are ways to write sex scenes that can change depending on exactly what you're writing. I mean, I like a good down and dirty gutter story as much as the next person -- if it is appropriate! Those kinds of stories can be a lot of fun. "Like Dreamers Do" is a great example -- Sandy, the author, writes REALLY hot erotica. She uses language that might be considered "dirty" -- but the WAY she does it, and in the context in which she does it, makes it GREAT. It isn't dirty at all!

What I do NOT like is when I'm reading along in a lovely, sensual, sweet story, and the sex scene comes along and the writer uses all the base language and anatomical description that is more appropriate to a porn novel!

If you are writing a down and dirty story, okay, then perhaps a more graphic scene has its place. But since most mainstream fanfics are not those types of stories, it's probably best to keep the sex scenes tasteful. As I say in my submission guidelines, it IS possible to write about hot sex without resorting to dirty words.

Consider what you are writing, and for whom, and then write it accordingly, that's my take.

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This is just my opinion, but I hate dirty talk. It is a personal turn off for me. Please no cats and roosters, folks. Thank you. Although I have read stories where trite (IMHO) euphemisms were applied to the human anatomy and to the body when sexually aroused, that is still preferable than terms of the cats and roosters ilk.

Good points, ladies. It can be tricky writing sex scenes that are not a) graphic or 2) crass. Keeping it loving and nuturing and focusing on the feelings between the people is really more what appeals to me personally.

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I don't know. Depending on the story--and the voice of the person telling the story--I'd almost rather read about cats and roosters than "silken lengths" and that sort of thing. It just sounds more like something I'd use in real life (not that I go around swearing all the time, mind you ), and the ability to identify with someone is extremely important to me in my readings and my works.

I guess if I were writing sex, I wouldn't use any body part descriptions at all...well, at least not those below the belt. I'd focus more on how the charcters felt, both physically and emotionally. After all, that's what good sex is all about, IMHO!

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Good points. I was just speaking from a personal standpoint.

For me, the "silken length" was a stubbed toe. "Cats and roosters" are like having a broken leg. Neither appeal to me, but of the two I'd rather have the stubbed toe. "Silken length" and euphemisms of that ilk is that stubbed toe to me.

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Over on fanfiction.net (before they became big meanie heads and took off the music section...)

I was pretty much known as writer of the George porn LOL. I would get emails and IM's calling me that. And no matter how I tried to write a story clean, it would end up having porn in it!
I really wish i knew howta write without it lol.

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The first few stories I wrote had sex in them, but the last four or five did not have any, except for the story I wrote last week for private distribution among those who requested it from here.
I don't see anything really wrong with it, although I am totally against Beatles "slash". Oh, and of course, I have added twice to our round robin story, which is getting pretty pornographic.
I DO write porn and sell it to guys magazines, though.

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