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Old Nov 02, 2005, 03:39 PM   #21
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Well, I must say I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and thinking that I would probably not buy this book. Then I got to work today, and lo and behold.... guess what they got me for my birthday? ;) So I flipped through it today during my lunch hour, and I have to say it doesn't look all that terrible. It actually looks like it might be pretty good. I'll let you all know more once I actually read it.
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Old Nov 02, 2005, 03:45 PM   #22
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Let's see how many errors YOU find. Apparently it is rife with them.
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Old Nov 02, 2005, 06:24 PM   #23
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Agh. I've already found a lot, but only in the pictures. I hadn't really looked at the captions earlier. It was annoying me. Hopefully the book isn't quite so terrible. Honestly, I think when you've read a ton of Beatles books you start to get a little used to the mistakes. Even some of my faves have mistakes in them. It seems like no one can get it perfect.
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Old Nov 03, 2005, 02:08 AM   #24
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Apparently, though, this book doesn't just have a "few" mistakes, it's full of them. Yes, I fully expect books to have some errors, a few errors, things that were difficult to fact-check, but this one, if you read the review from Daytrippin' that I posted above, is just bulging with them, and these are things that could have and should have been checked and verified easily, either by the author or his fact-checkers or his editor. It seems like no one cared enough about the book's intended audience to bother, which shows a considerable lack of pride in the finished product, and a lack of respect for the fans.

For crying out loud, I expect FAN FICTION authors to do a little research and fact-checking! I don't think it's too much to expect from a supposedly professional FACTUAL BIOGRAPHY.

To me, though, the real issue is not whether there are mistakes. A few always slip by even the best of editors. There are obvious errors in the Anthology, for crying out loud! The issue here is how the author reacted when the editor of a respected and reputable Beatles fanzine dared to send him a letter about it. I'm sorry, but he behaved like an unprofessional, nasty bastard, IMO. Anyone who would tell another human being to "take an enema and get a life" is just scum. Not only does it show lack of respect for his fellow humans, it is a slap in the face of the very fans he supposedly wrote this book for. Is this what he really thinks of serious Beatles fans? I'd bet on it -- which is why I won't spend my money on his book. He has absolutely no respect for us, obviously, and thinks we're all stupid and obsessed. To be sure, there are some fans like that, but by and large the majority of Beatles fans are intelligent, well-read, educated and erudite people -- and to dismiss us all as obsessive morons just because we can see all the errors in his precious book is highly insulting.

I'd rather wait for Mark Lewisohn's properly researched volumes, thanks. I'll be damned if Bob Spitz is going to get one thin dime of my money in royalties!
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Old Nov 03, 2005, 03:28 AM   #25
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Heres some free chapters of the book

http://www.twbookmark.com/books/55/0...erpt21975.html
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Old Nov 03, 2005, 04:00 AM   #26
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Heres some free chapters of the book

http://www.twbookmark.com/books/55/0...erpt21975.html
Thanks for the link!
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Old Nov 03, 2005, 07:34 AM   #27
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Bill Harry's Beatles Encyclopedia is RIFE with mistakes. For example, George was listed as being born in 1944 and brother Harry in 1943; the senior Harrisons were given as George and Louise. GEORGE the father of his own siblings, all of whom were older?! I DON'T THINK SO! Harold was their father, not George! We all know Harold, Sr. and Louise were the senior Harrisons, not their youngest child!

Glaring mistakes like that just drive me stark staring up a tree. How in the blue hell that got past the editor I just don't understand. I'd better get out my red pen - Spitz' book is an inker, er, I mean stinker!
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Old Nov 04, 2005, 11:07 PM   #28
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The cover is pretty cool, but the book seems a bit brutal, you know?
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Old Nov 05, 2005, 06:25 AM   #29
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Brutal? Was that before or after I slashed through the errors with that infamous red pen?
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Old Nov 05, 2005, 07:31 AM   #30
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Heehee.

What I ment by brutal was that the author didn't try to sugar-coat anything. I was reading a book review of it in Time, and apparently the book just goes out and says that John often called Brian a..well, derogitory term for a homosexual. I've never heard that ever. What I mean is the book isn't hiding anything.

I'm probably making no sense at all!
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Old Nov 05, 2005, 09:32 AM   #31
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John used to call Brian any number of derogatory names for homosexual, precisely because he knew it would push Brian's buttons. He used to call him derogatory names for Jew too, but that doesn't make him a homophobe or an anti-Semite...

One thing about John is that if he knew he could jerk someone's chain, he would -- but he only did it to those he cared about.
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See, I never knew that because a lot of the books I've read about John or the Beatles sugar-coated everything. All ' Oh, Brian and John were good pals..' and stuff. I'm saying it'd be interesting to read it and see what really went on, you know?
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There are plenty of better books out there that don't sugar coat the Beatles' story. This one has far too many errors. Philip Norman's "Shout!" springs to mind...also Ray Coleman's "Lennon." Both of those books have their flaws, but generally the info contained therein is not glaringly and egregiously incorrect.

Do yourself a favor and find a more reputable book than this one.
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Thanks for the suggestions, Nipper. I'll have to give them a read.
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Old Nov 05, 2005, 12:50 PM   #35
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Yeah I think I'll just wait for Mark Lewisohn's books. I bet his will be pretty accurate and non sugarcoated.
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BTW...Brian and John WERE good pals. I didn't mean to give any kind of other impression by what I said about the things John used to SAY to Brian...I am absolutely certain that they loved and respected each other a lot! But John was one of those people who would go for the jugular if he saw that you had any vulnerabilities...if you could take it, I think he would probably have more respect for you! I think he said those things to and about Brian because he just plain enjoyed jerking people's chains, lol!
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Well that makes sense. My friends and I tease each other all the time about past experiences, what we're like, etc but we know its in good fun. Maybe that's how it was with John and his close friends.
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Even the Daily News has a positve review of the book. The article even states that Spitz had cooperation of Paul and George before he passed. I still plan on reading this book even though I am aware of all the errors pointed out, but like someone else said, it may not be accurate, but it may still be a good read. Anyway, if your interested, here are the 5 "must read Beatle books for Beatle fans" according to the daily news-
Paperback writer-Mark Shipper
Tell Me Why-Tim Riley
A Day In The Lif-Mark Hertsgaard
Recording Sessions-Mark Lewisohn
How They Became The Beatles-Gareth Pawlowski
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I would agree with the last four of those books the News mentions -- however, while Paperback Writer (a fanfic, btw!) was a great book at one time, now I think it's horridly, horridly dated. It was written in 1978 and is about the Beatles getting together as an opening act for Peter Frampton (!!), and is a sort of "twisted history." A lot of the humor is extraordinarily specific to its time -- I tried rereading it recently and it completely fell flat. Things I thought were funny when I first read it were now sort of...cringeworthy.

The other four, though -- yes, I'd agree that they're really good books.
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The last two on that list--the Lewisohn and Pawlowski books--are fantastic, two of my favorites. The Pawlowski book was one of the first I ever read about the Beatles--if I wasn't hooked before, that book did it for me!
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