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Old Oct 23, 2011, 06:08 PM   #41
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Dude, why are you still competing with a man who's been dead for nearly 31 years? Grow up.
So apropos. Only this dead man is sort of hard to compete with. IMO...(hmmmm)
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 04:00 AM   #42
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Like it's been said, this isn't the first time Julian has gone off half-cocked and posted stuff online that he's later retracted. And I really don't get why he thought the reason for him being left out had anything to do with writing him and Cynthia out of Beatles history. He really got a chip on his shoulder about that.

As to Paul's wedding, there weren't that many invited anyway, was there? I heard numbers around 30 and usually you have half the guests from the groom's side and half from the brides. Paul's kids and their mates must've made up most of his side. The NYC reception, well, did they know in time Julian would be there? I mean, he's usually not in USA, he just happened to be there now to promo the new album, so I think he read too much into it.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 04:16 AM   #43
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You all remember what happened last December 8th? .
I don't. what happened?
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 05:42 AM   #44
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I don't know either, but Julian probably posted or tweeted something melodramatic.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 05:44 AM   #45
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It was on the 20th anniversary of that day that Julian released his "Dad was a real shit" screed.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 05:44 AM   #46
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If Julian were not invited to Sean's wedding or a special film premiere about his dad then that would be a whole different story. He would really benefit from some therapy given his past shall we call them fits on and offline. I'm waiting for Yoko to be blamed for the so called snub. Sean definately has his dad's personality.

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Old Oct 24, 2011, 06:55 AM   #47
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I don't know either, but Julian probably posted or tweeted something melodramatic.


He did for about an hour then he deleted the melodramatic statements as in the past.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 08:24 AM   #48
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Either way, we all know he isn't one to keep his mouth shut when he's upset so his post outburst is totally in line with his character. You all remember what happened last December 8th? It's just typical Julian. He's a good sort though, just a little hot-headed. Like some father of his we know so well.
That's what I was thinking, Scruff. It makes me smile he got the "speak my mind" gene. How could we not love him for that? :)
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 08:53 AM   #49
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That's what I was thinking, Scruff. It makes me smile he got the "speak my mind" gene. How could we not love him for that? :)
I agree with Harichick,Julian has indeed inherited his Dad's genes for " speaking his mind" and his temper to. I'm with you, how could we not love him for that ?
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 09:12 AM   #50
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I agree with Harichick,Julian has indeed inherited his Dad's genes for " speaking his mind" and his temper to. I'm with you, how could we not love him for that ?
gotta love that Lennon honesty! And I'm still trying to understand what Paul was thinking marrying on John/Sean's B-day... is it really sweet or just typical "Maccaness".
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 10:12 AM   #51
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Well, well, well.

Does this really surprise anyone? On either account?

First you've got Julian whining about something and using his "why me?" trademark, while batting his eyelashes and getting all kinds of gloating sympathy from those pathetic women on his Facebook wall. And then you have Paul, who has no problem having a huge wedding celebration on the ONE DAY his murdered friend's family has to remember him with- and then doesn't invite that friend's elder son to his party. But has no problem pretending he has ever been a "second father" to said son, meaning he doesn't dissuade these stupid stories as they do heaps for his publicity.

Basically, Julian's post was whiney and he sounds like a little boy who didn't get his favorite candy bar even though he ate all his dinner. I don't even care about Paul enough to interpret his motives, but I don't agree with people who say there weren't enough invites. Julian is John's son. He was in London and New York on both occassions and he isn't someone you just overlook. On John's birthday I can understand not inviting him, but to completely disregard him for all those occassions sounds like a very thoughtless and rude action.

And Julian: stop bitching like a little girl and go set up a tour or something. Your too hot to be wasting your time crying over stupid shit. You're like 50. Get over it. Paul doesn't care that much about you, but you have an inordinate amount of fans who love you so do something about it. Little baby (though I love your new album I've decided. Good stuff man.)

Also, SEAN LENNON has always been the more dignified, classy son. I have seen so much shit thrown at him for no reason and it makes me sick. The guy is talented, has great music, treats his fans nice, is motivated for change and doesn't whine. Yet everyone is alwats, "Oh poor Julian. Oh you poor thing. Daddy didn't take you with him to America when your parents divorced. Oh you poor abandoned soul."

Enough. The man is getting too much mothering from these people. He needs to grow a set and get his ass on the road. Tired of this.
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Well, nothing new re: this matter except on Julian's FB page he said goodnight to everyone "even the haters" and then he posted this with a wink eye:


See now this picture alone instead of the bitching would have moved me.

Also, what did Julian post on December 8, 2010 Apple Scruff?

I think he needs a therapist or some medication. He has some up/down issues. I just went on his FB page out of curiosity and he's all smiles and rainbows today. Cookoo.
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Fly, You really hit the nail on the head. Apart from Julian's issues which I mentioned in a previous reply on this thread, I agree it odd for Paul to Marry on John's Birthday. Maybe that was his way of avoiding the Lennons who knows but however you feel about his music, Sean has his act together and doesn't cry over every matter big or small to the public.




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See now this picture alone instead of the bitching would have moved me.

Also, what did Julian post on December 8, 2010 Apple Scruff?

I think he needs a therapist or some medication. He has some up/down issues. I just went on his FB page out of curiosity and he's all smiles and rainbows today. Cookoo.

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Old Oct 24, 2011, 01:50 PM   #54
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Julian Lennon has the biggest chip on his shoulder and always has done. His dreary music would have vanished long ago if daddy wasnt a beatle and with the money he got from his estate (all be it eventually) he has a damn easier life then most of us. Go away spoilt boy!
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I typically stay out of these sorts of threads. I couldn't care less about those who have skated along the periphery of Beatles fame and fortune.

But, I was intrigued by the thread title, and figured I'd check it out.... yeah, sounds kind'a spoiled-bratty to me.

When I got married, we had a very small wedding and invited a very small, select, close-family-only list, and some people were not invited who some felt should have been. Perhaps, it was a simple matter of Nancy being like, "I don't know that guy...!".
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 04:02 PM   #56
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*Sigh* I knew that Julian's fit would cause a lot of mixed reactions from people, but let's take this into perspective. Julian had at one point felt some sort of closeness to Paul. As Fly pointed out, Paul has never dissuaded the media from referring to him as some sort of father figure to Jules, even though he really never was. Julian is a hot head. He says really outlandish, angry things and then he regrets them. He most likely took the post down because he calmed down and realized that he should have considered the reactions that would ensue when he airs something like that on a public forum. Yoko and Sean had nothing to do with these non-invites whatsoever. Julian is very close to Sean, so when people started attacking Sean he took his post down. He may feel the same way about the whole situation- we don't know. All I know is that he didn't want his brother being slandered for no reason. He does have a conscience.

Also, I understand some people have their personal feelings on the whole affair. To me, it's not as big of a deal because I already knew for some time that Julian and Paul pretty much have a non-existent relationship. So I wasn't thinking he would even be there. I only reacted as such for two reasons: 1) Julian's own reaction gave me the impression he was completely baffled as to what he did to them not to get invited and 2) Sean was there and I would have thought John's other son would be considered.

But then I realized that Sean more than likely came with his mom. Simple as that.

Zimmerman the Gnome: although you are absolutely right about Julian probably not being heard if he wasn't John Lennon's son, that applies to ALL Beatles people. Julian happens to be one of the more talented Beatle offspring, in my objective opinion. And he also has accomplished a lot of things of worth and respect. I don't think he should be written off simply because he had an outburst directed at Paul and (possibly) Olivia. His way of dealing with things has always been to be very open and direct about it. Unfortunately, in this case, it came off whiney and inappropriate. But Julian isn't some untalented, classless person. He has released some beautiful music, he writes very good songs, and he has done much to be commended in humanitarian affairs. I don't think he should go away.

Sean is a completely different nature. He has had, perhaps, 2 outbursts to Julian's 20, but he has a very strong and intelligent mind. He prefers to just ignore situations and not comment on things when someone offends him. And other times, he laughs at himself. He is a lot more gregarious and seemingly thick-skinned about things, but he has mentioned it took him a while to get there. In my opinion, he has more natural talent than Julian but he has had to struggle with a LOT more backlash simply because of who is mother is, and the amount of love, affection, and attention John poured on him. He was born at a completely different time in John's life, which wasn't his fault, and so people take it out on him constantly and throw way more sympathy at Julian. That isn't fair at all.

BOTH these men lost their father. Both of them have struggled with it. Julian's anger issues have a lot to do with the fact that John is gone. He's been angry about that for years. At one point, he directed his anger at John and now, after he's realized that he understands who his father was way more, he's directing it at...other things. But he and Yoko and Sean are in a good place. Julian was WITH YOKO at Sean's concert a few weeks ago. He posted a beautiful Happy Birthday for Sean and his dad on October 9th...

He just needs to cool off and breathe. There's a lot of baggage there but deep down he's not really a bad guy. And I agree Fly!! I'm falling for his new album as well.
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Also, what did Julian post on December 8, 2010 Apple Scruff?
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On December 8th, Julian made this huge post on his Facebook page directed at ALL his fans. He basically said that he did not want to hear ANYONE'S stories about where THEY were when his dad died. He didn't want to hear how sad THEY were or how THEY felt because it was HIS dad and he was tired of hearing people who didn't have the connection to him that Julian did tell him how their lives were shattered when John died.

Not too long prior to that post, or maybe about the same time, someone criticized Yoko for something regarding the glasses photo on her Season Of Glass album on Sean's official board. He went into great detail expressing why his mother's decision to use that photo was perfectly in line because she was expressing her grief.

At the end of his lengthy diatribe he said that he understands that people feel connected to his father because he was a rock star who's music they loved. But to Sean, John was his DAD and Yoko's HUSBAND. He ended it by saying that John belonged to Yoko, Julian and to him. No one else. So when people tell him how sad/sorry they are about John's death, Sean basically said "you have no idea what WE are going through every day of our lives."
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I just want to bring up my very first post in this thread:

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Wow, some good old-fashioned Beatles drama... haven't had any in a while!
Interesting how these types of issues bring everyone into the discussion.... which is great. But no one has brought this possibility up: any chance that maybe it was a Drink & Tweet? I know that he's been sober for quite a while, but people do fall off the wagon from time to time...
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I have this theory that those 13 years he was absent from the scene were not spent taking photos and making one documentary. Julian, who you fooling?
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I agree with Harichick,Julian has indeed inherited his Dad's genes for " speaking his mind" and his temper to. I'm with you, how could we not love him for that ?
Yeah. That's my take-away from this public laundry-airing too. Kind of thrilling to see the Lennon temper on display like that.

But what did Julian mean by maybe it's time for the truth to come out?

About Paul? Is there a veiled threat of some kind there? Secrets? Wouldn't that be interesting? Not our business, of course. But I'd eat it up with a spoon if Jules was dishing it. Just saying.

THIS is the reason he should NOT have taken to Facebook to vent: giving a gazillion people an opportunity to share in something he should have had the better judgment to keep private. But those are the pitfalls of getting too comfy with Facebook/Twitter. Bottom line: Less than classy. Whiney. Chip on his shoulder bigger than his feet.

I do feel for him. Heck, Paul was thoughtful enough to invite Aaron Johnson an actor who played Jules' dad to his wedding. They must be such good mates. But no room for the genuine article's flesh-and-blood and on Popsie's birthday too? I concur with those who say Sean escorted Yoko and Dhani escorted Olivia, and that's why THEY were there. But the Aaron Johnson invite (along with Sam Taylor Wood, his lover/director) has bugged me since I found out about it. What makes them Paulie VIPs?

If the "it's time for the truth to come out" part is about him and his mom being written out of Beatles history, that's a joke. There are legions of fans who side with them, and them alone. His rants and her last book have fueled the flames--perhaps unwittingly--for a whole cottage industry of a particular kind of scornful John-hating that's all the rage right now. They can pat themselves on the heads for that contribution. They won't soon be forgotten for THAT.
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