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Old Jun 05, 2006, 08:08 AM   #21
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I tend to agree with you FPSHOT, is it cynical or just plain cold.
somewhere in the middle LOL ?

She is soooo bad.....so flaming Pie bad....
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Old Jun 05, 2006, 08:13 AM   #22
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Actually, I am inclined to believe that Paul is now quite relieved that he is shedding this relationship -- Call me a cynic, but I can't see how he can "love" the woman after all this stuff that's coming to light and all the abuse he apparently took at the receiving end of her verbal vitriol.
He probably IS relieved, just sad as all hell it turned out the way it did... And being the loving and dedicated father he's known to be, I'm pretty sure he's mostly saddened for his little girl who has to go through the one thing he never believed in: Parental divorce. I also think he's probably missing Linda now more than ever, from the look on his face.. I remember that was the EXACT same look he had when she died. Poor Paul...

And I think the right word to describe this woman, Nipper, is not "Sociopath"... I think SKANK is more befitting of her... Ugh...
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I cant believe she would do something like that.
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It's posing in those pictures that's bad, but her lying about it.
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Does anybody actually know what information Heather did or didn't disclose to Paul? How can you claim he has been "suckered" when for all we know he might well have known about this all along. Just because she (understandably) didn't want to broadcast it to the press doesn't mean she didn't tell Paul about it. Of course she may not have told him, I have no idea, which is why I'd personally rather keep an open mind.
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And it's hardcore...
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Ah, I'm not losing my mind. I thought this when I first saw this article this morning, but didn't want to say anything until I had some proof. This is OLD NEWS. There was a thread about this very thing on this very forum three years ago. So it's not new, it's not shocking, it's just (oh big surprise) a paper dredging up something that many of us already knew about and making a big hairy deal about it again because they're mean spirited and want to kick Heather while she's down and it's (apparently) socially acceptable to do so these days. Brother.
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Does anybody actually know what information Heather did or didn't disclose to Paul? How can you claim he has been "suckered" when for all we know he might well have known about this all along. Just because she (understandably) didn't want to broadcast it to the press doesn't mean she didn't tell Paul about it. Of course she may not have told him, I have no idea, which is why I'd personally rather keep an open mind.
I agree, Siobhan... and really the pics they show are not 'hardcore' at all? Just a bit of skin? And the ones they describe, I'd really have to see them before saying they were hardcore either...

This really does not change my mind about Heather. I don't think people dislike her for posing nude or not. I feel she's a woman with strong opinions and determination, and that rubs folks the wrong way. It's all about how she should cover her boldness in demure clothing () or it is unacceptable. People put down Madonna in the 80's for posing nude to 'get somewhere' and for being bold and publically exploring her sexuality. You know, it doesn't really matter... if it is what they wanna do at the time, who cares. Madonna was pretty sexy when she posed nude, lol!

But personality wise, also even Hilary Clinton got bagged on... Gloria Steinem... lots of women because they refuse to be 'yin' enough, they are unyeilding in their presentations and unappologetic.

Isn't it refreshing to be unappologetic like Heather in a way? It is kind of a cool quality. Paul has always liked strong women and was even asked about that in an interview once. I guess his Mom was also a strong woman. It's nice he can love that and not feel intimidated.

There's plenty of room left in the big unknown for Heather to be a really lovely person inside. When I was showing the article in People (with pics of Paul and Heather) to one family member, they remarked it was Paul who looked kind of grumpy, lol! Who knows... we should not railroad Heather I think.
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Hmmm. I don't remember a thread about Heather doing porn. Did you actually find the thread, Rell? If there was one, I never saw it. If I had known she had done these sort of pictures, I would have disliked her even more than ever. I have no respect for women who feel they need to resort to this sort of thing. I know what it's like to struggle financially, but *this* is never the answer. Call me a prude, but I think it just disgusting.
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I have no respect for women who feel they need to resort to this sort of thing. I know what it's like to struggle financially, but *this* is never the answer. Call me a prude, but I think it just disgusting.
I disagree entirely. I think until you've really known 'no other option'-ville, you can't really make fair assessments.

Oh, it is like what Mr Rodgers said, "If we all knew each others stories, we would find no reason for disliking one another."

Oh course, Mr Rodgers was not speaking specifically about pornography...hehehe! *cracking myself up*
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Oh course, Mr Rodgers was not speaking specifically about pornography...hehehe! *cracking myself up*
BWAH!!!! Thanks for the best laugh I've had this afternoon.
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There's plenty of room left in the big unknown for Heather to be a really lovely person inside. When I was showing the article in People (with pics of Paul and Heather) to one family member, they remarked it was Paul who looked kind of grumpy, lol! Who knows... we should not railroad Heather I think.
I love what you say here ...all of that post...
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Does anybody actually know what information Heather did or didn't disclose to Paul? How can you claim he has been "suckered" when for all we know he might well have known about this all along. Just because she (understandably) didn't want to broadcast it to the press doesn't mean she didn't tell Paul about it. Of course she may not have told him, I have no idea, which is why I'd personally rather keep an open mind.
I so much agree here Siobhan....it is like people here know Heather better than Paul did...from things like from "The Sun" LMAO....
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I disagree entirely. I think until you've really known 'no other option'-ville, you can't really make fair assessments.
Being a former resident of 'no other option-ville', I would often bypass that particular street. (It was a sleazy part of town!) And, believe you me, there were other avenues to take than that one.
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I think the issue here is not whether some women--desperate or otherwise--choose to pose for these types of pictures. It's rather that when asked about whether she had done things like this in the past, Heather has repeatedly lied about it (at least publicly--none of us know what she told Paul). It reminds me of the Vanity Fair article about her when she and Paul were first married. The writer brought up the fight they had had before getting married when she threw her engagement ring out the hotel window. Instead of simply admitting they'd had an argument and she did something in the heat of the moment, she made up some stupid story that was easily debunked by people at the hotel. To me, the lying and deception speak more to her character than whether she had posed for provocative photos.

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I think the issue here is not whether some women--desperate or otherwise--choose to pose for these types of pictures. It's rather that when asked about whether she had done things like this in the past, Heather has repeatedly lied about it (at least publicly--none of us know what she told Paul). It reminds me of the Vanity Fair article about her when she and Paul were first married. The writer brought up the fight they had had before getting married when she threw her engagement ring out the hotel window. Instead of simply admitting they'd had an argument and she did something in the heat of the moment, she made up some stupid story that was easily debunked by people at the hotel. To me, the lying and deception speak more to her character than whether she had posted for provocative photos.
I could not have said it better. (And see what I said above about sociopaths and pathological liars...)
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I don't think people dislike her for posing nude or not. I feel she's a woman with strong opinions and determination, and that rubs folks the wrong way.

But personality wise, also even Hilary Clinton got bagged on... Gloria Steinem... lots of women because they refuse to be 'yin' enough, they are unyeilding in their presentations and unappologetic.
I don't fault her for being a strong woman, not at all. I mean, I like to think I'm a strong and opinionated woman myself. I wouldn't want to get into an argument with Heather -- though I can tell you, I'd win if I had anything to say about it! I don't even fault her for posing nude, however sleazy it is/was. Sometimes women do really stupid things when they are young and desperate -- though as Magill said, I personally would never be that desperate.

Anyway, I do, however, fault her for lying about it, for stretching or changing her version of the truth to suit the moment. Which she seems to do a lot -- and which, IMO, makes her a person who has serious psychological issues. She is a chameleon who can change herself to suit whatever she wants and does a damn good job at it.

And yes, I do think that to a certain extent Paul was suckered -- by a pretty face, a strong personality and a sexual repetoire that is apparently quite a big deal...and considering how much sex Paul's had in his life, with hundreds of women (prior to marrying Linda, I mean), that's saying a lot!
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Personally, I don't have a problem with nudity if it's tasteful and not exploitive. Playboy is actually one of the better ones--the women look like they have all the power and are completely in control, unlike some other skin mags. And a while back, some photographer (female, I believe) did a coffee-table book showcasing real women posing nude, all shapes and sizes and colors, not just plastic noses and silicone boobs. There's nothing to be ashamed of in that sort of project, and I'd gladly take part in something like that.

But I agree with some of the others--why lie about it? Sure, the photos in question were a little...um, less than kosher. But if it were me, personally, I'd say, "Yeah, I did that...but it was a long time ago and I'm a different person now." I'd have a lot more respect for someone who owns up to their past, apologetically or otherwise, rather than trying to hide it and looking like a fool when it comes out. And believe me, when you marry someone as high-profile as Paul McCartney, it will come out.
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But personality wise, also even Hilary Clinton got bagged on... Gloria Steinem... lots of women because they refuse to be 'yin' enough, they are unyeilding in their presentations and unappologetic.

Isn't it refreshing to be unappologetic like Heather in a way?
Being unapologetic about the photos is one thing, but flat-out lying about them is quite another, imo.

And re: the current batch of photos, these are NOT the "glamour modeling" ones that were out there a few years ago. I remember seeing those--these new ones are completely different and much more explicit.

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