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Old Dec 22, 2008, 10:13 AM   #21
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i could never feel bad for that woman whatever happens to her, she is detestable in my eyes.
Yes same here. I will never feel bad for her.
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Old Dec 24, 2008, 11:11 AM   #22
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I am still reading this book and haven't gotten to this point yet. Right now I have put the book down in tears because I was feeling so sad for poor Cyn. Having just went through a divorce myself due to my (x)husband having an affair and wanting to with with the other woman and not me, I know extactly what she felt. Only hers was magnified because her husband was John Lennon and he was out in public with his new lover while she was alone. At least no one knows me! lol

I do look forward to reading more later today. I hope to get the book read by the beginning of the New year.
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Old Dec 29, 2008, 06:23 PM   #23
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Women are controlling by nature, trust me I am one lol!
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Again with the "JOHN AND YOKO GOT BACK TOGETHER AT THE ELTON JOHN CONCERT" myth which records and stuff from John himself has proven wrong.
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Old Jan 14, 2009, 09:01 AM   #25
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Oh Wow!
How interesting reading...
I┤d love to read the book! Last year I read the Cyn book and it was equally fascinating, but this one refers to another aspects of John┤s life. I was really glued to the screen during all the reading!
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He interviewed Yoko, so the "Elton John concert" story was going to come up again. We all knew it would, that story's been going around for a while, and partly because it's the official line. And partly because there is photo proof they did talk backstage at the concert. If she saw it as them getting back together, that could be her viewpoint. As Harry Nilsson put it, "there are many points to view."
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Yes same here. I will never feel bad for her.
How compassionate.
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May Pang's precise role in the scenario would never be clear, least of all to May herself..........

Yet as Mintz recalls, she never quite attained the status of a rock star's 'old lady'...........

May was indisputably John's only public female companion during the Lost Weekend.
But privately, Gruen reckons, there were dozens of other women, who thereafter 'would really treasure that hour, that ten minutes, that night with John Lennon'.
Oh yeah, Gruen, "dozens"... I mean, not 2 or 3 or even 10 other women... but "dozens" !!!

Well, if you're gonna make an outrageous claim like that... don't you think a little proof might be in order...
and Norman, shouldn't you have insisted on the provision of a little evidence before casually tossing what Gruen "reckons" into your book ???

This is a blatant affront to the John Lennon/May Pang relationship...

yet neither, Gruen, Norman nor the book's publisher have provided the identity of even one of these women !!!

I think we have a serious credibility problem here.


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Old Mar 14, 2009, 06:44 PM   #29
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But privately, Gruen reckons, there were dozens of other women, who thereafter 'would really treasure that hour, that ten minutes, that night with John Lennon'.
Assuming Bob Gruen is correct, many of those women "would really treasure that hour, that ten minutes, that night with John Lennon".

But all of them ???

Of the "dozens", what would the be the percentage of these women who'd dash off to the tabloid press, armed with their gratuitous, steamy 'Kiss and Tell' exposÚ?

If these "dozens" had so little moral fibre to give themselves so readily to a rock star... they are hardly the type of women to turn their backs on an easy couple of grand.

Unbelievable... it's totally unbelievable that the book's publisher allowed Norman and Gruen to propose such a seemingly absurd insinuation.


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Yet as Mintz recalls, she (May Pang) never quite attained the status of a rock star's 'old lady'.
Ladies and gentlemen, sit yourselves down, and please, make yourselves comfortable for part three of my review of Philip Norman's publication. lol

We read that May Pang "never quite attained the status of a rock star's 'old lady'."

OK...

May pang lived with Lennon, she slept with Lennon, she worked (in the studio) with Lennon, she produced albums with Lennon, she travelled everywhere with Lennon, she was always present for Lennon, standing by him at both his professional and personal times... like the the reunion with Julian and the signing of the documents that disolved the Beatles... she spent practically every day with Lennon for the whole Lost Weekend (18 months)...

Lennon told May he loved her. Lennon told biographer Larry Kane that he loved May. Lennon wrote, and dedicated, the song 'Surprise Surprise' to May in which he told the whole friggin world that he loved her.

So yeah, maybe Norman and Mintz might like to point out what else Pang should've done to have achived the status of a rock star's 'old lady'.

I tell ya... if the rest of Norman's book is as credible/accurate as the sections about May Pang, then his publication is a total crock.


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Old Mar 18, 2009, 02:46 AM   #31
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I have just got this book 2 days ago and i'm on page 209 only another 600 to go!!!
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Old Mar 18, 2009, 06:14 PM   #32
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Oh yeah, Gruen, "dozens"... I mean, not 2 or 3 or even 10 other women... but "dozens" !!!

Well, if you're gonna make an outrageous claim like that... don't you think a little proof might be in order...
and Norman, shouldn't you have insisted on the provision of a little evidence before casually tossing what Gruen "reckons" into your book ???

This is a blatant affront to the John Lennon/May Pang relationship...

yet neither, Gruen, Norman nor the book's publisher have provided the identity of even one of these women !!!

I think we have a serious credibility problem here.


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That's exactly the type of stuff Norman did in SHOUT, which is why I found the book such a disappointment, especially after seeing it refered to as one of the best and most thorough Beatles biographies available. (I'm talking about the 2003 updated version -- I've never read the original 1981 version of SHOUT). For example, Norman writes about George Harrison that the rockiest moment of his marriage to Olivia came when an LA prostitute, identified only as "Tiffany", named him as one of her clients, and claimed that while she performed a sexual service on him, he stood playing a George Formby tune on his ukelele. What sort of attribution is that? Sounds like something out of a tabloid doesn't it? If you're going to report a story like that in a so-called "True Story of the Beatles", don't you also need to back it up with something more substantial? Of course, I suppose if the person you're writing about is safely dead, he's not going to argue with you. (I'm impressed that a hooker named Tiffany would recognize a George Formby tune when she heard one!)
And SHOUT is full of factual inaccuracies -- inaccuracies that are easy to check out. So I have to say that if I do end up reading Norman's book on Lennon (and I likely will one of these days), I will expect a lot of gossip, a lot of mangled facts, some accurate stuff, and some pretty well-written prose.
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I have just got this book 2 days ago and i'm on page 209 only another 600 to go!!!
If Norman hadn't have included stuff that people "reckoned"...
and if he'd left out all the stuff which couldn't be properly substantiated...

then yeah, Dr Winston O Boggie...
Norman's book probably wouldn't have required 209 pages. lol


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That's exactly the type of stuff Norman did in SHOUT,

If you're going to report a story like that in a so-called "True Story of the Beatles", don't you also need to back it up with something more substantial?
Agree, credibility should be absolutely manditory, John Cee...
and yeah, publishers should insist on it.

But a controversial book without proof is gonna sell a lot more copies
than a properly researched account that's lacking in sensationalism.


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Old Apr 27, 2009, 01:11 PM   #35
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I haven't read this book yet, but I'm dying to do so. I haven't read it partly because I'm afraid it will disappoint me.
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I've enjoyed the book, mluque. John is not written wearing rose colored glasses nor is his author wearing them either. John is NOT placed on a pedastal and all I can tell you is that I think the book is worth the read.

We all know John could act a fool big time and there are many documented instances of when John acted a fool during that lost weekend. I think Yoko was his anchor.
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The George/prostitute/ukulele story originated in this book - You'll Never Make Love in this Town Again - It wasn't something unearthed by Philip Norman, just re-quoted by him. The book came out in 1996.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Youll-Never-.../dp/1597775428

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Wow, that's quite interesting, thanks for posting it.
Sincerely is a hard book (judging by the parts I've read) but helps to see John as the human he was and not as a God from the Mount Olympus.
Kinda impresses me but after all it was the truth.
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I saw this book at the bookstore and want it but what I read here I probably could've gone my whole life without knowing...*goes to wash brain out with bad music I normally wouldn't listen to just to get rid of the mental images* LOL you all know I'm just kidding, I'm not that immature. XD
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I saw this book at the bookstore and want it but what I read here I probably could've gone my whole life without knowing...*goes to wash brain out with bad music I normally wouldn't listen to just to get rid of the mental images* LOL you all know I'm just kidding, I'm not that immature. XD



My mother in law got it for me for Christmas, but I keep meaning to exchange it. I read the George parts. lol. One thing which stood out was the part about how John felt slighted about George's not mentioning John enough in his autobiography, "I, Me, Mine." Well, I knew that. But this book says, "actually, John received eleven mentions- more than Paul, the Beatles, Eric Clapton, or even George's second wife, Olivia." That's kind of interesting. So George didn't slight John at all. He just held his cards close.
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