Lennon's adultery pact

Originally Posted by Hari's Chick

My mother in law got it for me for Christmas, but I keep meaning to exchange it. I read the George parts. lol. One thing which stood out was the part about how John felt slighted about George's not mentioning John enough in his autobiography, "I, Me, Mine." Well, I knew that. But this book says, "actually, John received eleven mentions- more than Paul, the Beatles, Eric Clapton, or even George's second wife, Olivia." That's kind of interesting. So George didn't slight John at all. He just held his cards close.

Yeah I've read that about John being offended about that. I think he mentioned it in the Playboy interview (not sure), but I'm sure there are other sources of him saying it. He went on about helping him write songs and such. I have yet to read I, Me, Mine surprisingly, but I'm ordering it off ebay tomorrow or the next day, I can't wait! And as for You'll Never Make Love in this Town Again and the Norman book - haven't read them yet and I'm still afraid to do so haha. But I will probably end up doing that in the next few weeks.

Have a lot of reading to look forward to!

Originally Posted by beatlebangs1964

I've enjoyed the book, mluque. John is not written wearing rose colored glasses nor is his author wearing them either. John is NOT placed on a pedastal and all I can tell you is that I think the book is worth the read.

We all know John could act a fool big time and there are many documented instances of when John acted a fool during that lost weekend. I think Yoko was his anchor.

I agree about Yoko being his anchor. I'll be sure to read it, I'm sure I won't get TOO surprised by the information in it since I've read enough talks about it haha.

I believe what Larry Kane has to say, I think he is credible. Norman on the other hand...well, I am unsure. I think that Elliot Mintz has too much invested. He is/was a Yoko employee, so he has a lot to protect, and thus tell the story as Yoko would have it told.

I have a hard time believing that May was just a bed partner and phone book. I think May was so much more than that. I believe John loved May. The story goes that they still had their affair going around the horrible events of 1980. Obviously, in a much more limited capacity. I don't think Yoko was satisfying John. I forget exactly which song it is, and I forget the exact quote, and I should know it, but he says something like, "Spend some time with me and Sean. Stop selling cows." (It will come to me later.) John was not feeling like he got the attention he wanted. He probably was going elsewhere for that attention.

Originally Posted by Gary910

I have a hard time believing that May was just a bed partner and phone book.

She was much more, Gary...
Lennon only ever lived with three women... and May was one of them.

In my previous posts in this thread I point out how inacurate Norman's references are towards May Pang:

May pang lived with Lennon, she slept with Lennon, she worked in the studio with Lennon, she produced albums with Lennon, she traveled everywhere with Lennon, she was always present for Lennon, standing by him at both his professional and personal times... like the reunion with Julian and the signing of the documents that dissolved the Beatles.

May spent practically every day with Lennon for the whole 18 months of the 'Lost Weekend'.

Lennon told May he loved her. Lennon told biographer Larry Kane that he loved May. Lennon wrote, and dedicated, the song 'Surprise Surprise' to May in which he told the whole world that he loved her!

May Pang was awarded a RIAA gold record for her production on Walls and Bridges... which incidently, was Lennon's only #1 album during his lifetime.

So yeah, you're right, Gary... thats a hell-of-a-lot more than just a bed partner and a phone book.

Check out my May Pang/Lost weekend site below and you'll be astonishised just how important a role May Pang actually played in Lennon's life.


easy... Justin

Oh brother have YOU bought the hype.

May Pang was assigned to John by Yoko. It was never his choice to be with her. John lived with her only because Yoko told him too. Why did he do that? Because he cheated on Yoko at a party and Yoko told him to go live with May until he gets his oats out of his system. There was no love affair, no great romance, in fact if you read her first book, she says John left her alone for the entire month of May 1974 in California. Plus he was not faithful to her, just read Angel Godivas posts here in the forum. She was with John for most of the time John and May were in LA. So don't buy this overinflated portrait that May was something special. She WAS a babysitter, bed partner and phone book.

Originally Posted by LucyLennon4me

Oh brother have YOU bought the hype.

May Pang was assigned to John by Yoko. It was never his choice to be with her. John lived with her only because Yoko told him to.

Hype ???

Are you telling us that John Lennon was so pathetic he did everything that Yoko "told him to"?

Lennon always resented that.

So, lets put aside both yours and my opinions, and yeah, let's see what Lennon himself had to say in 1980:


PLAYBOY: But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?

LENNON: Well, that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible.


How clear is that, LucyLennon4me ???


easy... Justin

No it's not about being under a spell. Lennon agreed to Yoko's wishes to atone for his adultery in the hopes they would reunite. In fact Lennon said in an interview that he always knew he and Yoko would reunite.

He was not faithful to May, that is a fact May herself has admitted. However May has no idea that he cheated so many times on her. Besides, it's not cheating if she was only a mistress, as a mistress is not a wife. The hype is that people think May was so much more then what she really was which was an assignment and a babysitter.

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Its no secret that Yoko initiated the Lennon/Pang relationship...

Even before she begins her story (on the second page of her book), May herself includes this segment as part of an insertion...

'.... the relationship between May and John was essentially initiated, controlled and then terminated by Yoko Ono.'


Lennon wasn't faithful to any of the women in his life.

He cheated on Cynthia... as you pointed out, he cheated on Yoko... and May herself documents an account of Lennon cheating on her.

The only reason why all three of those women put up with Lennon's drunkenness & womanizing was because he was 'John Lennon'.

But to say that Pang was no more than an assignment and a babysitter, as you yourself obviously know, is absurd.

A quick poke around my site will show that she played more than a significant role in Lennon's life.


easy... Justin

Fair enough. You make valid points.

Originally Posted by DevonAokiFan

Hype ???

Are you telling us that John Lennon was so pathetic he did everything that Yoko "told him to"?

Lennon always resented that.

So, lets put aside both yours and my opinions, and yeah, let's see what Lennon himself had to say in 1980:


PLAYBOY: But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?

LENNON: Well, that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible.


How clear is that, LucyLennon4me ???


easy... Justin

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Interesting. So, Lennon *wasn't* under Yoko's spell. But May Pang pretty much says that he was--that he was brainwashed by Yoko to leave May and return to her if I remember rightly. Ok. Makes tons of sense to me. Thanks.

Well said, HC. George DID keep his cards close.

As for John, I don't think anybody "brainwashed" or "controlled" him. He loved Yoko so much that he went to great lengths to be with her and it sounds like his "lost weekend" period was the darkest period of his adult life.

Yoko, from the telling did encourage John to see others during that time. His affair with May Pang was not secret and to this day May speaks of John with respect. I met her once years ago and was impressed with her forthright demeanor and her loving portrayal of John AND Yoko. At all times she spoke of them with respect.