No Posthumous Knighthood for George...
 

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Downing Street dashes hopes of knighthood for Harrison
Feb 4 2002
Daily Post

BEATLES' legend George Harrison will not be receiving a posthumous knighthood.

It had been expected the late guitarist would be recognised in the Queen's
Birthday Honours in June.

But while Harrison was able to achieve a posthumous number one single - with
the re-released My Sweet Lord - it appears that a knighthood will be beyond
him.

The news was confirmed in a letter from William Chapman, the secretary of
appointments at 10 Downing Street, to West Derby MP Bob Wareing.

Mr Wareing has been campaigning for two of his constituents who were notified
they were to receive honours but died before receiving them.

When reports broke of a possible posthumous knighthood for Harrison, Mr
Wareing believed his constituents would also be entitled to their awards.

But the hopes of all concerned now seen dashed.

In his letter, Mr Chapman said: "The Prime Minister may not recommend
posthumous awards to the Order of the British Empire. I can assure you that
this rule has not changed and that there is no truth in newspaper reports
that a knighthood is to be bestowed on the late George Harrison."

That opinion was reiterated by a spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office
yesterday.

"The rules state that posthumous honours are only awarded for acts of valour.
There are absolutely no plans to change that and we have never indicated that
there are," she said.

Mr Wareing has been involved in the issue of posthumous awards for a number
of years, having asked unsuccessfully for a knighthood for former Liverpool
FC manager Bob Paisley.

The MP said: "We will try to keep the pressure on but unfortunately it does
not look as if the rules are going to be changed in the near future.

"I have two constituents, Rose Sandford and Margaret Williamson, who died
before receiving their honours. It is relatively rare for it to happen and I
can't understand why someone due to receive an award in the foreseeable
future should not get it.

"Obviously George Harrison also did a tremendous amount for pop music and for
Liverpool itself."

News that Harrison was likely to miss out on his knighthood was greeted with
dismay by local Beatles' fans.

John James Chambers, founder of the Liverpool Beatles Appreciation Society,
said: "This is very disappointing news. We think he should have been given an
award posthumously considering all he did for music and the city."

Ron Sanford, 88, will receive an MBE on February 20 for service to Merseyside
pensioners.

His wife of 63 years, Rose, should also have been picking up an MBE, but
sadly died last November. Mr Sandford said: "I can't understand it because
these things aren't given out easily. Rose deserved her award more than me.

"The relatives who are left behind suffer enough without this."


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I don't know if I am sad or if I feel better... for all the discussing we made about the news, and the way it's deserved, but why you discover that after he's gone?

Anyway, thanks for the article

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"Because there wasn't any reason left to keep it all inside"
- Paul McCartney, 1982

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It's a shame in way although I never believed he would have wanted it anyway, he would hate the fuss.

He doesn't need to be Knighted, people know who important he was/is.

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I have mixed feelings about this, although Sally's last sentence says it all for me.

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"Silence often says much more
Than trying to say what's been said before"
~ George Harrison, 1973

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Well, I agree with Sally and darkhorse. After all what counts is that _we_ know who he was and how important his role was in the music scene. It doesn't matter if he'll be knighted or not, he's still the same George Harrison.

BTW, just like Paul said in an interview after John's death, it's so awkward to say "he was"...

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Are you married?

No, I'm George

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By Sally:
It's a shame in way although I never believed he would have wanted it anyway, he would hate the fuss.

He doesn't need to be Knighted, people know who important he was/is.

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Knighthood or no Knighthood...george will always be a "Sir" George Harrison to me, and Olivia his "Lady"



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~*Liz*~

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Oh, well...it may have been nice for Olivia and Dhani to have George honored...but George would probably prefer to have the name "Sriman" to "Sir" anyday. This is the title the devotees of ISKCON have bestowed on him! Good for them and poo poo on the ol' Prime Minister!

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I'm actually relieved. I don't believe that George would have wanted that anyway. It doesn't sound like him. He always said "it's what you value", and I can't imagine that he would value that. It really doesn't do anything for your karma anyway. If one gets validation by haveing the name "Sir" or "Dame" in front of their name,
needs to rethink their priorities.

All I know is that George is one of the few celebrities, much less people in this world who had their priorites right. I admire him for the way he conducted his life and the philosophy he espoused, rather than any titles or honors he was given. By the by, I don't believe Gandhi was knighted either.

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You can have my love, you can have my smiles. Forget the bad parts, you don't need them. Just take the music, the goodness, because it's the very best, and it's the part I give most willingly" - George Harrison.

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Thank you God anyway and everyday, no matter what. Somehow we all sensed the essence of this man, whether we knew him personally or not. I can not help but feel that we who loved him are left with the best part of him. The love and respect of the people who love and respect him is more validation than any medal

Personal message to George: I love you, I love you, I'll always love you.

Sorry people, but if I didn't get that out just now, I would have imploded

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ALLYOUNEEDISLOVE

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I agree with many of you. I have mixed feelings, but I know George will be remembered as a beautiful person either way.
Love You To, George.

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I'm kind of glad this isn't happening. I just didn't feel right about it. I mean, if it was going to happen, it should've when he was still around. But then, like so many of us believe, it's very possible he wouldn't have wanted it anyway.

I just think there are so many other (more suitable) ways to honour George. Just my humble opinion.

FT

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I know that you're a part of me."

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It would have been an insult to George if their stupid honour was accepted. Anyone remember his reaction to the MBE in the Anthology?? "If you open up your heart, youll know what i mean..the lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see" -Sriman George Harrison. Haribol!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi:
It would have been an insult to George if their stupid honour was accepted. Anyone remember his reaction to the MBE in the Anthology?? "If you open up your heart, youll know what i mean..the lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see" -Sriman George Harrison. Haribol!!

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I am glad these are your thoughts because when the topic first came up that maybe he would be Knighted, I strongly disagreed and felt bad because it seemed to annoy some people.

George is way above any Royalty or Politicians and they could learn alot from him and maybe the world wouldn't be in the state it's in.

You changed my life George, you sent me to India and it changed my life.

Hare Krishna.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By Sally:
when the topic first came up that maybe he would be Knighted, I strongly disagreed and felt bad because it seemed to annoy some people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sally, I think I speak for everybody else here... I wasn't annoyed with your opinion: I think we just disagreed. And that's a normal thing, people having disagreements. And people changing their minds, too. Maybe that knighthood wouldn't have been the best way of recognizing George's importance to music and to the world in general after all. But at that moment that wasn't the only possible point of view. And, as I said before, the fun thing about this is that we can share our different feelings about things without judging eachother, but always with respect, so please forgive me if I made you feel bad, and keep posting your thoughts about everything.

Everyone has choice.



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"Silence often says much more
Than trying to say what's been said before"
~ George Harrison, 1973

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Its fine to think differently on things, and i can see both sides. On one hand it would have been a nice (if hollow)gesture for the family (im sure they would have declined anyway). But anyone who knows George, should know, there is absolutely no way, whatsoever, that he would have done a Paul!!. Im sure he would have been horrified (and simultaneously wryly amused)at the whole idea. Ringo probably would, But George would never accept such plastic - harmful plastic aswell. Would he really accept a phony honour connecting him to hundreds of years of Aristocratic, autocratic colonialist rule? No Way!! He spent his whole life trying to undo,and burn off his Karma, so that he would be totally Karma free (good or bad)Most succsessfully i must say. Its stupid,that we are even wasting time talking about this petty trivia!!(knighthoods) The British Public spoke when George went to number one again with My Sweet Lord (wonder how many copies the Queen brought?),becoming the first beatle to hit that spot, since himself ( with got my mind set on you in 1988) Sally, you seem to know George well, and he still lives inside of you, as he does in many of us. HARI BOL! and Hari Krishna!!

"He who is complete, cause of everything, it is he, Jai Sri Krishna"

Notice how its SRI and Not SIR!!!! HARIBOL HARI!!!

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No Sally!

You aren't the only one who feels that way!
I'm another who's with ya!

FT

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"I hold you in my heart.
I know that you're a part of me."

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:

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Originally Posted By Sally: when the topic first came up that maybe he would be Knighted, I strongly disagreed and felt bad because it seemed to annoy some people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sally, I think I speak for everybody else here... I wasn't annoyed with your opinion: I think we just disagreed. And that's a normal thing, people having disagreements. And people changing their minds, too. Maybe that knighthood wouldn't have been the best way of recognizing George's importance to music and to the world in general after all. But at that moment that wasn't the only possible point of view. And, as I said before, the fun thing about this is that we can share our different feelings about things without judging eachother, but always with respect, so please forgive me if I made you feel bad, and keep posting your thoughts about everything. Everyone has choice.

Hey it's okay, I really wasn't aiming at you, as you may have noticed I can be very opionated to my discredit sometimes. I just worry in case I upset people sometimes, would hate to think I did.

Big gob me, sometimes.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi:
Its fine to think differently on things, and i can see both sides. On one hand it would have been a nice (if hollow)gesture for the family (im sure they would have declined anyway). But anyone who knows George, should know, there is absolutely no way, whatsoever, that he would have done a Paul!!. Im sure he would have been horrified (and simultaneously wryly amused)at the whole idea. Ringo probably would, But George would never accept such plastic - harmful plastic aswell. Would he really accept a phony honour connecting him to hundreds of years of Aristocratic, autocratic colonialist rule? No Way!! He spent his whole life trying to undo,and burn off his Karma, so that he would be totally Karma free (good or bad)Most succsessfully i must say. Its stupid,that we are even wasting time talking about this petty trivia!!(knighthoods) The British Public spoke when George went to number one again with My Sweet Lord (wonder how many copies the Queen brought?),becoming the first beatle to hit that spot, since himself ( with got my mind set on you in 1988) Sally, you seem to know George well, and he still lives inside of you, as he does in many of us. HARI BOL! and Hari Krishna!!

"He who is complete, cause of everything, it is he, Jai Sri Krishna"

Notice how its SRI and Not SIR!!!! HARIBOL HARI!!!

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Oh how wish I did know him, I like to think that maybe I have a clue on how his mind works, I think very much as he did, and I think it's because I have taken a huge interest in him in particular for 23 years add and maybe some of him has rubbed off on me.


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Well, I think we love eachother again. Time to move on.

I believe that George would not be so impressed by the knighthood.

He was not much of a public man, probably appreciated the musical tributes and awards more than a knighthood.

If he looks down at the world from where he is and experiences all the warms reactions, sympathy and respect from so different sources/people, he is more thrilled by that, than by the knighthood.

Now, I will close this topic tomorrow, Darkhorse and I as moderators agreed to be as much as possible respectfull and stay away from negative reactions. Not saying that one can not share their opinion, but we think all is said now about this.

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George about 'Revolver' June, 1967;
When we first did it, we were really knocked out by most of the tracks, but, by the time the record was issued, we were a bit fed up with it, looking towards the new one