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FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 01:05 PM

A disgrace to George
 
I find it unbelievable how people talk about George here regarding the documentary.

The main thing people talk about is George and women.

As if this is a new thing.

Like the wife swap with Ron Wood is something new. It's like tomorrow someone will write that Yesterday used to be Scrambled Eggs.

People call George a slut and it is all allowed, even by the moderator here.

George a slut???

Is that all you people remind you of George???

I find it a big disgrace that this is what is going on about George here the past weeks

George a slut?

All this about George and women, do you really have no respect for George anymore.

Is this mainly girlie forum all you are interested in?

I was watching an interview with Dhani and Jeff last night and there they talk about George's life and that is what I share elsewhere now with people which is wonderful and respectful.

I am glad to be able to talk with people elsewhere about George in a respectful way and share beautiful memories about his life and what a beautiful man he was, but to see what goes on here makes me sick.

Lucy Sep 10, 2011 01:47 PM

The only reason this has been a topic on here the last day or so is that it is what is being reported in the crass media here at the moment.

So basically it is as a result of the news articles posted. Not just a random thread ripping into George. Some of the articles on the go about George at the moment might not be the most tasteful but since it is routine that current news is posted here on The Beatles, it is natural that these articles would be included on the forum.

And you will see that "the moderator here" has commented regarding the amount of this stuff which is press hype or truth.

There are other threads on this forum which are very respectful and honour George appropriately.

834 Sep 10, 2011 01:59 PM

I said it before, but George was human, and being one of the most famous people to ever roam the planet, he had alot of things at his disposal, including alot of women that were more than happy to 'be' with him. Nothing has changed over time, though in the past the sex, drugs, etc., was more discreet. People always love to gossip, that's why there is so much garbage on TV, the Internet, magazines, and books. Okay so George was less than holy, I don't see why this is such a big shock except for that "spiritual/religious" people are usually held to a higher standard and aren't supposed to engage in the usual vices. It is getting to be overkill though. Every few days there is a new article posted here about some speculation or another. The sad part about it for me is when the deceased are taken to task. It's not right and it's certainly not fair--their lives were what they were, for good or for bad, and the vultures that prey on things the deceased cannot defend themselves is despicable. But as long as it sells magazines and books, it will always be out there.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:00 PM

Sure Lucy I know all that but what I said has to do with the balance between the stories coming out about the documentary.

George being called a slut is accepted here and I just have problems with that. If people here allow that, well then I just have to react.

Apart from the women stories. There are also other things which come forward about the documentary but the public here only seems to care about the glossy sides.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 834 (Post 1078475)
their lives were what they were, for good or for bad, and the vultures that prey on things the deceased cannot defend themselves is despicable. But as long as it sells magazines and books, it will always be out there.

Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way, these days it's about his things with women which is nothing new but at a time where the documentary about his life comes out and the one thing people talk about is his things with women and calling him a slut...sorry... it is quite sad.

834 Sep 10, 2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078476)
George being called a slut is accepted here and I just have problems with that. If people here allow that, well then I just have to react.

Apart from the women stories. There are also other things which come forward about the documentary but the public here only seems to care about the glossy sides.

So what if he's called a slut? wth? Give the members here a little credit. I think most people here are aware that George was an excellent musician and a decent guy. And the "the public here only seems to care about his glossy sides" is just ignorant. Unfortunately, it is the sensational stuff that makes the news, not just on a website, but everywhere. As long as most of the threads/posts about George on this site are not about his promiscuity, why would a person get so bent out of shape. I wish I was a slut. How's that?

834 Sep 10, 2011 02:10 PM

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Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way.
It still is.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 834 (Post 1078478)
So what if he's called a slut? wth? Give the members here a little credit.

I give no one who calls George a slut and allow him being called one any credit.

As for you LOL, well good luck trying to become one :teeth1:

Hari's Chick Sep 10, 2011 02:17 PM

FP, I just have a different way of moderating than you chose. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

You liked to post every article and steer things more directly. I love to see others posting things... and prefer often to 'listen' than to remark. I love reading everyone's opinions and thoughts.

I do miss your input here. Your contributions at the Palace have been amazing, and for many years. I would love if you would take a more active role and discuss things with us. If someone says something you disagree with, then you can chime in. If someone calls George a slut, and you think it is disrespectful, please say so.

The slut remark took me aback as well. However, one or two other members chimed in after and very tactfully offered a sort of rebuttal to the remark. I felt no need to add anything, mostly because it had been handled by others very tactfully.

As far as George and women and the documentary.... I'm just going to take it all with so many grains of salt until I see what Dhani and Olivia offered to Marty. They know George best, so I'm sure their decisions are the ones to defer to. Right now... none of us know what was shared. :nono3:

There is a thread I began on what spiritual questions would we want to ask George. That is addressing some other things about the film aside from the romantic aspect of George's life.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hari's Chick (Post 1078481)
If someone calls George a slut, and you think it is disrespectful, please say so.

I said so and not only about that, but if you allow people to say so and possible agree on that yes then we have a different view how to respect George and what George's life was.

Otherwise I have no interest in participating here unless I find George is being treated without any respect like now, again and you allow it.

Maia 66 Sep 10, 2011 03:02 PM

So, FPSHOT... you're advocating censorship? You'd like this forum to be a place where people cannot freely express themselves? I don't think calling George (or any of the Fabs, who were ALL sexually promiscuous) a slut is violent or illegal or even a below-the-belt insult. Maybe a bit puerile, but who hasn't been guilty of that?

The gossip mill exists, whether you like it or not. I think HC is perfectly justified in her decision. And I think some people are just too sensitive and prudish.

What's the point in being a Rock Star without being sluttish?! Isn't that part of the definition? Doesn't make George any less of an amazing human being.

Rellevart Sep 10, 2011 03:22 PM

Maybe everybody just has different views of what "respect" means. I respect George as a great guitarist, a great songwriter and an interesting person. Was he perfect? Nope. As are none of us either. :smile1: I don't think acknowledging that somebody's not perfect means that you don't respect them. Are some people (men as well as women, the "girlie" comment was unneccesary and inaccurate) going to go the gossippy route? Yeah, probably. Is insulting them going to make anything better? No, not really.

kayinthelife Sep 10, 2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Maia 66 (Post 1078483)
What's the point in being a Rock Star without being sluttish?! Isn't that part of the definition?

THIS. I cannot think of one famous rock musician who had nothing to do with drugs or sex. It was just part of the package: if you get awesome music, you also get the musician's personal lives which may not be so glamorous. But, as a fan, you just have to deal.

Let's say you're talking about a friend you have. As a human being, this friend will make mistakes - some you will not agree with or respect. Does that mean you don't respect the friend? Absolutely not. This doesn't differ with George.

constance Sep 10, 2011 05:07 PM

It would be hard to resist, if virtually every person of the opposite sex (and maybe some of the same) that you met wanted to have sex with you...or if you knew that all you had to do was show your willingness. I am hoping Olivia can say that George had it out of his system at some point later on in the marriage, at least...

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:41 PM

George was a slut and I loved him because of it. (Some of us don't find sluts bad things). It was a large part of his appeal to me, his animalistic nature that was so visible beneath the surface.
I don't apologize. I know many here have had naughty thoughts about George. I don't apologize for being one of them.

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:48 PM

Personally, how I feel about George fits with how he treated women.

Georgie Girl Sep 10, 2011 05:51 PM

I do notice a double standard: if George had been a woman and behaved like a rock star, what would the press call him?

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgie Girl (Post 1078506)
I do notice a double standard: if George had been a woman and behaved like a rock star, what would the press call him?

I give you a standing ovation and raise my drink in praise of your comment.:heart1:

I also want to point out it is my feminist nature to call men exactly what they've called women over the centuries. Many use the term male in front of it, like male-slut or male tramp. I leave out the gender. I dn't see why it's needed.

beatlebangs1964 Sep 10, 2011 06:34 PM

834, Rell, Lucy and HC raised excellent points. GGirl raised another about the double standard.

George is very much loved and respected and any number of us here, myself included have gotten into some very intense conversations about George's spirituality. I've even said that my church includes his songs in some of our discussion groups.

I have not seen anybody call George that name. No, I don't think that was what George was. I will say that George himself admitted that he was an adulterer and he has been called polyamorous, which is a very kind word.

I didn't like the "girlie" comment either and I think that speaks to issues with women in general. FPSHOT, you've had a long history of good input here. If you feel Beatlelinks no longer meets your needs and standards, then perhaps you would be happier posting about George in fora that you feel are more "meaningful."

FPSHOT, you even said here
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Originally Posted by FPSHOT
what a beautiful man he was

and you sound just like the very people you are condemning!

Colonel Angus Sep 10, 2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078477)
Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way, these days it's about his things with women which is nothing new but at a time where the documentary about his life comes out and the one thing people talk about is his things with women and calling him a slut...sorry... it is quite sad.

Dude, you're mental.


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