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FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 01:05 PM

A disgrace to George
 
I find it unbelievable how people talk about George here regarding the documentary.

The main thing people talk about is George and women.

As if this is a new thing.

Like the wife swap with Ron Wood is something new. It's like tomorrow someone will write that Yesterday used to be Scrambled Eggs.

People call George a slut and it is all allowed, even by the moderator here.

George a slut???

Is that all you people remind you of George???

I find it a big disgrace that this is what is going on about George here the past weeks

George a slut?

All this about George and women, do you really have no respect for George anymore.

Is this mainly girlie forum all you are interested in?

I was watching an interview with Dhani and Jeff last night and there they talk about George's life and that is what I share elsewhere now with people which is wonderful and respectful.

I am glad to be able to talk with people elsewhere about George in a respectful way and share beautiful memories about his life and what a beautiful man he was, but to see what goes on here makes me sick.

Lucy Sep 10, 2011 01:47 PM

The only reason this has been a topic on here the last day or so is that it is what is being reported in the crass media here at the moment.

So basically it is as a result of the news articles posted. Not just a random thread ripping into George. Some of the articles on the go about George at the moment might not be the most tasteful but since it is routine that current news is posted here on The Beatles, it is natural that these articles would be included on the forum.

And you will see that "the moderator here" has commented regarding the amount of this stuff which is press hype or truth.

There are other threads on this forum which are very respectful and honour George appropriately.

834 Sep 10, 2011 01:59 PM

I said it before, but George was human, and being one of the most famous people to ever roam the planet, he had alot of things at his disposal, including alot of women that were more than happy to 'be' with him. Nothing has changed over time, though in the past the sex, drugs, etc., was more discreet. People always love to gossip, that's why there is so much garbage on TV, the Internet, magazines, and books. Okay so George was less than holy, I don't see why this is such a big shock except for that "spiritual/religious" people are usually held to a higher standard and aren't supposed to engage in the usual vices. It is getting to be overkill though. Every few days there is a new article posted here about some speculation or another. The sad part about it for me is when the deceased are taken to task. It's not right and it's certainly not fair--their lives were what they were, for good or for bad, and the vultures that prey on things the deceased cannot defend themselves is despicable. But as long as it sells magazines and books, it will always be out there.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:00 PM

Sure Lucy I know all that but what I said has to do with the balance between the stories coming out about the documentary.

George being called a slut is accepted here and I just have problems with that. If people here allow that, well then I just have to react.

Apart from the women stories. There are also other things which come forward about the documentary but the public here only seems to care about the glossy sides.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 834 (Post 1078475)
their lives were what they were, for good or for bad, and the vultures that prey on things the deceased cannot defend themselves is despicable. But as long as it sells magazines and books, it will always be out there.

Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way, these days it's about his things with women which is nothing new but at a time where the documentary about his life comes out and the one thing people talk about is his things with women and calling him a slut...sorry... it is quite sad.

834 Sep 10, 2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078476)
George being called a slut is accepted here and I just have problems with that. If people here allow that, well then I just have to react.

Apart from the women stories. There are also other things which come forward about the documentary but the public here only seems to care about the glossy sides.

So what if he's called a slut? wth? Give the members here a little credit. I think most people here are aware that George was an excellent musician and a decent guy. And the "the public here only seems to care about his glossy sides" is just ignorant. Unfortunately, it is the sensational stuff that makes the news, not just on a website, but everywhere. As long as most of the threads/posts about George on this site are not about his promiscuity, why would a person get so bent out of shape. I wish I was a slut. How's that?

834 Sep 10, 2011 02:10 PM

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Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way.
It still is.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 834 (Post 1078478)
So what if he's called a slut? wth? Give the members here a little credit.

I give no one who calls George a slut and allow him being called one any credit.

As for you LOL, well good luck trying to become one :teeth1:

Hari's Chick Sep 10, 2011 02:17 PM

FP, I just have a different way of moderating than you chose. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

You liked to post every article and steer things more directly. I love to see others posting things... and prefer often to 'listen' than to remark. I love reading everyone's opinions and thoughts.

I do miss your input here. Your contributions at the Palace have been amazing, and for many years. I would love if you would take a more active role and discuss things with us. If someone says something you disagree with, then you can chime in. If someone calls George a slut, and you think it is disrespectful, please say so.

The slut remark took me aback as well. However, one or two other members chimed in after and very tactfully offered a sort of rebuttal to the remark. I felt no need to add anything, mostly because it had been handled by others very tactfully.

As far as George and women and the documentary.... I'm just going to take it all with so many grains of salt until I see what Dhani and Olivia offered to Marty. They know George best, so I'm sure their decisions are the ones to defer to. Right now... none of us know what was shared. :nono3:

There is a thread I began on what spiritual questions would we want to ask George. That is addressing some other things about the film aside from the romantic aspect of George's life.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hari's Chick (Post 1078481)
If someone calls George a slut, and you think it is disrespectful, please say so.

I said so and not only about that, but if you allow people to say so and possible agree on that yes then we have a different view how to respect George and what George's life was.

Otherwise I have no interest in participating here unless I find George is being treated without any respect like now, again and you allow it.

Maia 66 Sep 10, 2011 03:02 PM

So, FPSHOT... you're advocating censorship? You'd like this forum to be a place where people cannot freely express themselves? I don't think calling George (or any of the Fabs, who were ALL sexually promiscuous) a slut is violent or illegal or even a below-the-belt insult. Maybe a bit puerile, but who hasn't been guilty of that?

The gossip mill exists, whether you like it or not. I think HC is perfectly justified in her decision. And I think some people are just too sensitive and prudish.

What's the point in being a Rock Star without being sluttish?! Isn't that part of the definition? Doesn't make George any less of an amazing human being.

Rellevart Sep 10, 2011 03:22 PM

Maybe everybody just has different views of what "respect" means. I respect George as a great guitarist, a great songwriter and an interesting person. Was he perfect? Nope. As are none of us either. :smile1: I don't think acknowledging that somebody's not perfect means that you don't respect them. Are some people (men as well as women, the "girlie" comment was unneccesary and inaccurate) going to go the gossippy route? Yeah, probably. Is insulting them going to make anything better? No, not really.

kayinthelife Sep 10, 2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Maia 66 (Post 1078483)
What's the point in being a Rock Star without being sluttish?! Isn't that part of the definition?

THIS. I cannot think of one famous rock musician who had nothing to do with drugs or sex. It was just part of the package: if you get awesome music, you also get the musician's personal lives which may not be so glamorous. But, as a fan, you just have to deal.

Let's say you're talking about a friend you have. As a human being, this friend will make mistakes - some you will not agree with or respect. Does that mean you don't respect the friend? Absolutely not. This doesn't differ with George.

constance Sep 10, 2011 05:07 PM

It would be hard to resist, if virtually every person of the opposite sex (and maybe some of the same) that you met wanted to have sex with you...or if you knew that all you had to do was show your willingness. I am hoping Olivia can say that George had it out of his system at some point later on in the marriage, at least...

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:41 PM

George was a slut and I loved him because of it. (Some of us don't find sluts bad things). It was a large part of his appeal to me, his animalistic nature that was so visible beneath the surface.
I don't apologize. I know many here have had naughty thoughts about George. I don't apologize for being one of them.

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:48 PM

Personally, how I feel about George fits with how he treated women.

Georgie Girl Sep 10, 2011 05:51 PM

I do notice a double standard: if George had been a woman and behaved like a rock star, what would the press call him?

misfittoy Sep 10, 2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgie Girl (Post 1078506)
I do notice a double standard: if George had been a woman and behaved like a rock star, what would the press call him?

I give you a standing ovation and raise my drink in praise of your comment.:heart1:

I also want to point out it is my feminist nature to call men exactly what they've called women over the centuries. Many use the term male in front of it, like male-slut or male tramp. I leave out the gender. I dn't see why it's needed.

beatlebangs1964 Sep 10, 2011 06:34 PM

834, Rell, Lucy and HC raised excellent points. GGirl raised another about the double standard.

George is very much loved and respected and any number of us here, myself included have gotten into some very intense conversations about George's spirituality. I've even said that my church includes his songs in some of our discussion groups.

I have not seen anybody call George that name. No, I don't think that was what George was. I will say that George himself admitted that he was an adulterer and he has been called polyamorous, which is a very kind word.

I didn't like the "girlie" comment either and I think that speaks to issues with women in general. FPSHOT, you've had a long history of good input here. If you feel Beatlelinks no longer meets your needs and standards, then perhaps you would be happier posting about George in fora that you feel are more "meaningful."

FPSHOT, you even said here
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Originally Posted by FPSHOT
what a beautiful man he was

and you sound just like the very people you are condemning!

Colonel Angus Sep 10, 2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078477)
Sure, but this forum used to be a place which respected George as a person and for who he was in his spiritual way, these days it's about his things with women which is nothing new but at a time where the documentary about his life comes out and the one thing people talk about is his things with women and calling him a slut...sorry... it is quite sad.

Dude, you're mental.

beatlebangs1964 Sep 10, 2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kayinthelife (Post 1078495)
THIS. I cannot think of one famous rock musician who had nothing to do with drugs or sex. It was just part of the package: if you get awesome music, you also get the musician's personal lives which may not be so glamorous. But, as a fan, you just have to deal.

Let's say you're talking about a friend you have. As a human being, this friend will make mistakes - some you will not agree with or respect. Does that mean you don't respect the friend? Absolutely not. This doesn't differ with George.

Well said, Kay. No reason to put George on a pedastal. The man was only human. He had his good and bad moments; may have acted a fool; used the loo and ate like everybody else. The man was human, warts, farts, wavy hair and feet of clay and all.

beatlebangs1964 Sep 10, 2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078482)
I said so and not only about that, but if you allow people to say so and possible agree on that yes then we have a different view how to respect George and what George's life was.

Otherwise I have no interest in participating here unless I find George is being treated without any respect like now, again and you allow it.

ALLOW people to say?! Good Grief! This is not a censorship here. There is no reason to act a fool and jump on people for responding to things they have read. Isn't that the issue here - aren't you responding to things you have read and reacting adversely?

Look, the PRESS has posted all kinds of things. Some we like. Some we dislike. We tend to like what we agree with and dislike what we disagree with. That's the nature of the ballgame.

FPSHOT, I feel people here have been very respectful of George. The man was human and would not want us resorting to hagiography, that is cannonizing him in biographies. John also was against that sort of thing.

Since most of us here did not know George personally, we as people are expressing opinions. FPSHOT, it is your right to disagree or agree, but please do recognize that everybody including you is entitled to have opinions.

CWW Sep 10, 2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078482)
I said so and not only about that, but if you allow people to say so and possible agree on that yes then we have a different view how to respect George and what George's life was.

Otherwise I have no interest in participating here unless I find George is being treated without any respect like now, again and you allow it.

I am sorry FP but this sounds a bit like sour grapes to me?

All this stuff of "women crazed George" and the Devils Radio disgusts me aswell, but as myself and others have said it is what is being widely reported and focussed on right now by the "animals" in the media. Should we at the palace and as George fans all put our heads in the sand and pretend no one else is talking or reading it? No, as George fans we need to be aware of it and counter it. On the otherside some of it is true, and perhaps we also need to take stock of that. As Olivia said George often used to say, he was no saint but he was a sinner. Of course, he wasnt perfect but he was a great man we all loved.

Of course the slut comment is highly offensive and whoever wrote it is highly ignorant and knows nothing about George..

I too wish people would focus on the real George, all we can do is talk about that, not put our heads in the sand and pretend the media is not at it again and censor everything.

I also think you should post and contribute more.. Someone needs to counter the Devils Radio and stop the broadcasters! Or at least change the programme! :)

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CWW (Post 1078555)
Of course the slut comment is highly offensive and whoever wrote it is highly ignorant and knows nothing about George..

I too wish people would focus on the real George, all we can do is talk about that, not put our heads in the sand and pretend the media is not at it again and censor everything.

Thanks CWW, I am glad finally someone agrees with me.

And I had a big laugh just now reading that someone thinks I am prudish. If I tell people around me that someone says that about me they will have the best laugh of the year so I will do that and give them that fun so thanks for that.

If Olivia says‘He did like women and women did like him,’ ‘If he just said a couple of words to you it would have a profound effect. So it was hard to deal with someone who was so well loved.’

‘You go through challenges in your marriage and here is what I found: the first time we had a big hiccup in the road, we came through things, and then you go, ‘Wow!’ There is a reward at the end of it.’


which appears to mean to people here that George was sleeping around and was a slut, then the world is full of them and not only in the Rock scene but the conclusion of the people doing that is probably wishfull thinking.

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I also think you should post and contribute more.. Someone needs to counter the Devils Radio and stop the broadcasters! Or at least change the programme! :)
Thanks for your kind words. It's a challange to do so but as long as people insult me like saying I am mental and a bully and more shitty stuff like that and it is allowed to them to say that, then I rather spend my time elsewhere where there is fun and joy and for instance normal and interesting talks about George.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beatlebangs1964 (Post 1078524)
ALLOW people to say?! Good Grief! This is not a censorship here. There is no reason to act a fool and jump on people for responding to things they have read. Isn't that the issue here - aren't you responding to things you have read and reacting adversely?

You know BB, there is this thing called moderating.

Of course everyone can say what they think but the way to respond to things you read can be manifested in different ways.

If you also agree that calling George a slut is okay then well it is a choice but then I wonder who is the fool you refer to.

FPSHOT Sep 10, 2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Colonel Angus (Post 1078513)
Dude, you're mental.

The World Health Organization defines mental health as "a state of well-being in which the individual realizes his or her own abilities, can cope with the normal stresses of life, can work productively and fruitfully, and is able to make a contribution to his or her community"

Thanks for the compliment "Colonel" :wave1::wave1:

beatlebangs1964 Sep 11, 2011 03:23 AM

I don't agree that it is okay to call ANYONE a slut and I never once condoned it. I don't agree with that assessment, either. Add to it that is not a term I would ever use.

I like the point of accord it appears people have reached. For those of you who feel any of us responded harshly, well, this is apparently a sore topic for many. Sadly, it is all too easy to polarize the board by taking sides and that is one thing I don't want to see happen.

Language and cultural backgrounds differ among people so what appears to be rude to one may not appear to be so to another. Again, cultural perspectives differ, so apologies to anyone who may have taken umbrage in anything I posted.

FPSHOT Sep 11, 2011 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by beatlebangs1964 (Post 1078587)
Language and cultural backgrounds differ among people so what appears to be rude to one may not appear to be so to another. Again, cultural perspectives differ, so apologies to anyone who may have taken umbrage in anything I posted.

I find this a very bad excuse. The way to approach the life of George has nothing to do with that.

I also know that you can approach the word 'slut' in funny talks with friends and for instance somewhere in a discussion say "what a slut you are" in a fun way out of the blue, but what I see here is different.

It's got nothing to do with culture or language which so often here is some bad explanation by certain people as if the ones who do not speak English every day - are there any??? - do not understand things.

How more arrogant can you get.

Because of a few remarks from the press George now is labeled at BeatleLinks as a womaniser and a slut who would grab any woman he came across which seems to be a normal acceptence and the way to remember him, well I just do not like that approach by people of which I thought they were George people, but I am glad to only see that happen here and nowhere else which is good for the Harrisons but bad for the reputation of BeatleLinks and a disgrace of how some people here see the life of George.

But, it is a choice and maybe those who do that get a kick out of it.

misfittoy Sep 11, 2011 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CWW (Post 1078555)
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Of course the slut comment is highly offensive and whoever wrote it is highly ignorant and knows nothing about George..

I too wish people would focus on the real George, all we can do is talk about that, not put our heads in the sand and pretend the media is not at it again and censor everything.
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NOt true. I know quite a bit about GEorge and am hardly ignorant which is where I got my comment from. and it is part of the real George.

misfittoy Sep 11, 2011 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078588)
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Because of a few remarks from the press George now is labeled at BeatleLinks as a womaniser and a slut who would grab any woman he came across which seems to be a normal acceptence and the way to remember him, well I just do not like that approach by people of which I thought they were George people, but I am glad to only see that happen here and nowhere else which is good for the Harrisons but bad for the reputation of BeatleLinks and a disgrace of how some people here see the life of George.

But, it is a choice and maybe those who do that get a kick out of it.

YOu must be American. they get more uptight about sex then other countries and I think the womanizing stories are mostly in the US press. And likeing George and liking sexy GEorge does not make one any less a George person.
Personally, it elevates my perceptions of the man more.

Rellevart Sep 11, 2011 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078588)
Iecause of a few remarks from the press George now is labeled at BeatleLinks as a womaniser...who would grab any woman he came across

Two points here....the first part of this sentence may be true, but the second part isn't and nobody ever said it was. That part of it was written and put into people's minds by...well...you.

The other point is I don't think anybody would "label" George as these things. Most people would , if they had to label him at all, label him as a musician, a gardener, a person searching for meaning in his life...those other things may have been part of his life too, but nobody's labeling him that way....

Peregrine9 Sep 11, 2011 06:36 AM

A Disgrace to George
 
Since I posted one of the articles in this forum regarding George Harrison's personal relationships.I just want to say I posted it because its a George news article.That will be discussed in the documentary coming out. I respect and love George as a person and musician etc.He was just human like all of us.I'm a fan of his solo music to.I have been for many years.I'm 53 years old right now.I know no one is accusing me of being disrespectful.But I just wanted to let everyone know this.I have nothing else to say about this subject in this thread.Everyone have a safe and great upcoming week and take care.

darkhorse23 Sep 11, 2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078588)

Because of a few remarks from the press George now is labeled at BeatleLinks as a womaniser and a slut who would grab any woman he came across which seems to be a normal acceptence and the way to remember him, well I just do not like that approach by people of which I thought they were George people, but I am glad to only see that happen here and nowhere else which is good for the Harrisons but bad for the reputation of BeatleLinks and a disgrace of how some people here see the life of George.

But, it is a choice and maybe those who do that get a kick out of it.

I must say I am rather surprised when I read some of the threads and posts. A couple I specifically remember were something about "what are George's & Ringo's faults?" and there were millions (OK, that's an exaggeration) of replies and ideas. There was another about Linda McCartney's promiscuous lifestyle prior to her marriage to Paul.

I simply don't understand peoples' "need" to point out the faults of others.

And there's also the occasional reminders that The Beatles weren't saints. Really now!

Georgie Girl Sep 11, 2011 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by misfittoy (Post 1078507)
I give you a standing ovation and raise my drink in praise of your comment.:heart1:

I also want to point out it is my feminist nature to call men exactly what they've called women over the centuries. Many use the term male in front of it, like male-slut or male tramp. I leave out the gender. I dn't see why it's needed.

Haha, I have referred to others as "slut-man!" Not to George, though, but to people in my "real" life.

See, a guy would think it's cool to sleep around with lots of women. I'd look at him as having a character flaw. I think very highly of George, not because of his experiences with ladies, but in spite of them.

Maia 66 Sep 11, 2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by misfittoy (Post 1078590)
YOu must be American. they get more uptight about sex then other countries

I'm American and I 100% supported your comment about George... and I'm the "someone" who called the Dutch FPSHOT "prudish"... So, yeah LET'S TALK ABOUT SEX! I would love to start a thread about the Sex Lives of the Beatles and even discuss which one was the most promiscuous (I think we all secretly know the answer to that), but I know it would just turn into a "Why do people have to talk about these things?" type of thread... as if sex were a negative thing!!!

834 Sep 11, 2011 09:11 AM

Much ado about nothing. "I'll make you make me next time around." You go George!

Hari's Chick Sep 11, 2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078582)
If Olivia says‘He did like women and women did like him,’ ‘If he just said a couple of words to you it would have a profound effect. So it was hard to deal with someone who was so well loved.’

‘You go through challenges in your marriage and here is what I found: the first time we had a big hiccup in the road, we came through things, and then you go, ‘Wow!’ There is a reward at the end of it.’


which appears to mean to people here that George was sleeping around and was a slut, then the world is full of them and not only in the Rock scene but the conclusion of the people doing that is probably wishfull thinking.

That's a bit how I read the slut remark- wishful thinking. So many people want George to be a reflection of their perceptions, wishes, dreams, fantasies... for some people they will want George to be a saint, or a moral example. For some people they will want him to be really naughty. It's more a reflection of what people find fun or important than it is of George. The real reflection of George will come when the movie arrives!

One thing is true which is everyone who posted in this thread loves George. In the end, that's all that matters.

Serena Sep 11, 2011 09:28 AM

George a slut/womanizer? So what? Want to talk about all the STD's he probably caught? Let's go! I think Paul and John are even more notorious for being one, bout time for little Georgie to catch up! I wouldn't doubt that he used his Beatle status to his advantage.:wink3:

George is greatly remembered for a vast number things, his 'love' history is hardly worth emphasizing. It certainly doesn't reduce my respect for him any, nor seemingly anyone else's. It's redundant to go through the sex lives of any musician since it's nearly impossible to keep up with. But I don't see why a sex discussion needs to be tabooed, is it immoral once again to engage in this healthy activity? America may appear to be controversial about it, but we're just as 'bad' as anywhere else, maybe worst. We just can't walk around with our junk hanging out.

Lucy Sep 11, 2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078588)

Because of a few remarks from the press George now is labeled at BeatleLinks as a womaniser and a slut who would grab any woman he came across which seems to be a normal acceptence and the way to remember him, well I just do not like that approach by people of which I thought they were George people, but I am glad to only see that happen here and nowhere else which is good for the Harrisons but bad for the reputation of BeatleLinks and a disgrace of how some people here see the life of George.

This is just not true. The posting of a few articles which are currently in the press and a few comments on these articles does not mean that Beatlelinks has given George a label of anything. It simply means that some members here are interested in discussing news that is currently in the public domain....whether it is old news or what have you. Because there have been some replies to a thread about George and his relationships with women does not mean anything beyond that. It's not even a matter of listing or talking about faults or anything....well, not to me anyway. I'm not interested in doing that.

If one of these articles was posted on these other Harrison places you refer to, would it be deleted or something? That would seem a bit of an over reaction, would it not? I think including these articles and allowing discussion on the topic isn't disrespectful.

This seems like you're trying to say you have more love or respect for George than anyone else here. I know you love him and honour him - of course you do and I don't deny that. But it is possible that some of us honour and love him as much as you do even if we have entered into a discussion of what is being published over here in the press at the moment.

Honestly - I said it before - this is not about a thread to rip George up and call him anything. It was just started because it is what is current!!!!!!

Lucy Sep 11, 2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine9 (Post 1078607)
Since I posted one of the articles in this forum regarding George Harrison's personal relationships.I just want to say I posted it because its a George news article.That will be discussed in the documentary coming out. I respect and love George as a person and musician etc.He was just human like all of us.I'm a fan of his solo music to.I have been for many years.I'm 53 years old right now.I know no one is accusing me of being disrespectful.But I just wanted to let everyone know this.I have nothing else to say about this subject in this thread.Everyone have a safe and great upcoming week and take care.

Exactly. George news article.


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