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Georgie Girl Sep 13, 2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078812)
Not really an affair but ok I give you that one, George didn't though :teeth1:

When are you old enough to know better, is there a timetable for that? :wave1::wave1: please give me the link if there is one so I can learn.

I've got it around here somewhere. :look:

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1078813)
This is really music talk, "produced by Ravi Shankar" :laugh5::laugh5:

:laugh5:

misfittoy Sep 14, 2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beatlelover45223 (Post 1078788)
Just reopening this topic does show how much George is loved!

I thought it was more about the loving he did. (Runs and hides)

constance Sep 14, 2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by misfittoy (Post 1078983)
I thought it was more about the loving he did. (Runs and hides)

( lol )

Jeanvolt Sep 16, 2011 05:26 AM

Hello,

I just signed up to ask if you can support the 'being slut' allegations about George with a reliable source?

Thank you.

FPSHOT Sep 16, 2011 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeanvolt (Post 1079203)
Hello,

I just signed up to ask if you can support the 'being slut' allegations about George with a reliable source?

Thank you.

Welcome to you.

There is no reliable source, just in the imagination of some people here.

Enjoy the less sadfull topics.

Jeanvolt Sep 16, 2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1079208)
Welcome to you.

There is no reliable source, just in the imagination of some people here.

Enjoy the less sadfull topics.

Thank you, FPSHOT.

I was totally shocked by what I read here and George being referred to as another typical rock star, so I'm really interested to know what those allegations are based on.

What I know about George is that he got married at the age of about 23 while he could've enjoyed a life of extramarital affairs having those groupies around all the time if he'd been that kind of guy, and what alienated Pattie was his "increasing religious explorations, extreme work ethic, and personality changes"...

Still, I'm not trying to create an image of a perfect, impeccable George, sure he was a human, but what I'm trying to say is that he wasn't into another typical rock star life.

Hari's Chick Sep 16, 2011 08:23 AM

What if the term Dark Horse is substituted for the word slut?

There was an interview from George which I can paraphrase roughly but don't have it handy, not transcribed.

In it he was speaking of his record company, Dark Horse records. And George says [paraphrased]..."There's a term, Dark Horse, which in England has a bit of a different meaning than in America. [In America it means the unlikely horse to win a race which pulls ahead and wins.... I forget if George explained that...] In England, you hear people saying [assumes Monty Python women's voice] 'Mr Penguin's knocking round with Mrs Johnson...' 'Oh, he's a dark horse... who'd have ever thought?' So I thought, for the label, okay, I'll open up, I'm a Dark Horse... [giggles].... who'd 've ever thought?"

That should be nearly word for word...

So, George called himself a Dark Horse... and this was an interview from 1976, I think it was.

Jeanvolt Sep 16, 2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hari's Chick (Post 1079219)
What if the term Dark Horse is substituted for the word slut?

There was an interview from George which I can paraphrase roughly but don't have it handy, not transcribed.

In it he was speaking of his record company, Dark Horse records. And George says [paraphrased]..."There's a term, Dark Horse, which in England has a bit of a different meaning than in America. [In America it means the unlikely horse to win a race which pulls ahead and wins.... I forget if George explained that...] In England, you hear people saying [assumes Monty Python women's voice] 'Mr Penguin's knocking round with Mrs Johnson...' 'Oh, he's a dark horse... who'd have ever thought?' So I thought, for the label, okay, I'll open up, I'm a Dark Horse... [giggles].... who'd 've ever thought?"

That should be nearly word for word...

So, George called himself a Dark Horse... and this was an interview from 1976, I think it was.

Thank you for the answer, Hari's Chick.

As for the term Dark Horse my dictionary suggests: "a person about whom little is known, especially one with unexpected abilities." which also suits the context there and now I'm starting to realise that George has been indeed a 'Dark Horse' through all these years, remaining so unknown to people that they even call him a slut...

beatlebangs1964 Sep 16, 2011 11:59 AM

Who called him that, the s word?

A dark horse is also the horse that pulls out ahead and wins the race, the horse that is the unexpected winner.

constance Sep 16, 2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by beatlebangs1964 (Post 1079235)
Who called him that, the s word?

A dark horse is also the horse that pulls out ahead and wins the race, the horse that is the unexpected winner.

That is how I also took the meaning of "Dark Horse" to be-kind of like a hidden gem.

Hari's Chick Sep 16, 2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeanvolt (Post 1079224)
Thank you for the answer, Hari's Chick.

As for the term Dark Horse my dictionary suggests: "a person about whom little is known, especially one with unexpected abilities." which also suits the context there and now I'm starting to realise that George has been indeed a 'Dark Horse' through all these years, remaining so unknown to people that they even call him a slut...

You're welcome. :)

Well, isn't the most important definition the one George gave it though?

from page 288 in "I, Me, Mine"...

"Dark Horse is the old story. 'Mr Penguin's poking Mrs Johnson from the co-op.' 'Oh really! Who'd have thought that- he's a bit of a Dark Horse, isn't he?' I didn't know til later the other idea of a dark horse- the one that wins that nobody has put any money on."

I remember in the interview I saw, he was also musing about "Okay... I'll open up... I'm a dark horse... who'd 've ever thought? ... running on a dark race course, cuz that's what it is..."

That part was in there, too.

For the people who think George was a monastic, have they not heard "Simply Shady?" Did they think that was about trees? :laugh5:

Thing is, who cares, I think George would likely laugh at being called a slut. He wasn't all prissy and proper... he was funny. The one who called him a slut was misfittoy, and she is a fan not a hater.

George was giggling about being a dark horse cuz he was mischeivious. He said he was impressed with Roy because he knew all the words to a dirty Python song. It does George a disservice to try to make him into some boring old stodgy moralist.

FPSHOT Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeanvolt (Post 1079224)
Thank you for the answer, Hari's Chick.

As for the term Dark Horse my dictionary suggests: "a person about whom little is known, especially one with unexpected abilities." which also suits the context there and now I'm starting to realise that George has been indeed a 'Dark Horse' through all these years, remaining so unknown to people that they even call him a slut...

The term Dark Horse and slut and womanizer are totally different.

I agree with you that being a dark horse at some time is in his life is okay and was, also because he wrote a song about it which is maybe new to some people who often more care about his hair than his songs and life, but to call him a womaniser and slut is totally based on personal satisfaction and not based on reality.

Hari's Chick Sep 16, 2011 12:43 PM

I think the total disgrace would be to suck all the lighthearted humor from the situation.

Look at the videos from the 33 1/3 album, does George seem worried about maintaining a holy reputation?

One of the coolest things about George is he was no poser. He could be spiritual and also human. He kept it real. That was one of my super super favorite things about him...

Rellevart Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hari's Chick (Post 1079239)
It does George a disservice to try to make him into some boring old stodgy moralist.

Oh wow, HC, I totally agree with you on this point.

FPSHOT Sep 16, 2011 12:49 PM

You know, I love George's humor and I know he would love to hear a part of the conclusions here.

But... what matters is how George is being portraited here by some, as if the only thing he ever was is a wowaniser and a slut, sorry but if you ladies want to laugh about that fine, but is personal satisfaction for the night and a disgrace.

Rellevart Sep 16, 2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1079244)
But... what matters is how George is being portraited here by some, as if the only thing he ever was is a wowaniser and a slut

But nobody's saying that, are they? I haven't seen anybody say that's all George was. :confused:

FPSHOT Sep 16, 2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rellevart (Post 1079245)
But nobody's saying that, are they? I haven't seen anybody say that's all George was. :confused:

Then maybe spend a few moments on reading what is being posted in all the messy threads which should be merged to make things more clear or just ignore it which is the general view as it seems and which is sad.

FPSHOT Sep 16, 2011 01:31 PM

I believe it is just very sad that people here remember George as a man who had a certain period 40 years ago in stead of remebering his total life.

It's good there are other places and oppurtunities to talk about George with respect and a lot of fun and interest.

Jeanvolt Sep 16, 2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hari's Chick (Post 1079239)
For the people who think George was a monastic, have they not heard "Simply Shady?" Did they think that was about trees? :laugh5:

Well, all the words there can't simply be taken literally, they may just as well be metaphors George used to express in a palpable way his train of thought as an artist and a thinker, to simply put the whole concept of the embodiment of the past sins with 'a lady' and 'Sexy Sadie', so that a buddy of lesser mother wit like me could make out what he was trying to say. All said to say we can't really attach such a label to someone only on the grounds of some vague clues/hints that we've piece together. :-)

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It does George a disservice to try to make him into some boring old stodgy moralist.
First, I have to disagree about the part putting 'moralist' equal to 'boring', well they sure fit together in the motion pictures, but in the real life, to me, it's immorality that's getting boring... Then again, it sure does him a disservice to make him look like a one-dimensional person, but how about using a fairer term like 'funny' instead of the alternative. :-)

Lucy Sep 16, 2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSHOT (Post 1079249)
I believe it is just very sad that people here remember George as a man who had a certain period 40 years ago in stead of remebering his total life, but again, it says a lot about this forum where most things go about his hair and naughty dreams.

It's good there are other places and oppurtunities to talk about George with respect and a lot of fun and interest.

OMG if you are so sad about it FPSHOT, please stop going on about it...if for no other reason but for MY sake because I am so sick of reading about the disrespect and dishonour and horror of it all when actually this is the biggest mountain out of a molehill ever. You have said this so many times on this thread.

A lesson from life that I have recently been reminded of is that you need to surround yourself with people and places and things that make you feel good and that you enjoy and just be done with the rest of it that doesn't make you happy. On that note I would suggest that if this place is so offensive to you, spend some more of your time at these other places where it is clearly more to your liking. I think from what you have written in some of your posts, that was your intention but then I just keep reading the same thing on here over and over. It must be pretty tiring for you. Give yourself a break, man!


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