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lennonluvr9 Jun 07, 2006 06:59 AM

Heather getting full custody?
 
I found it at one of my Yahoo! groups and before i could find out what the story was about, yahoo groups just quit on me & said they couldnt find the group! grrr. Anywho, i just wanted to ask is this true? is heather getting full custody of Bea?

Rellevart Jun 07, 2006 07:04 AM

I would be extremely surprised if any formal arrangements have yet been made. Take anything and everything with a grain of salt at this early date.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 07:17 AM

Here is an article. With a named source. Of course, given that it's supposedly Heather's PR person (whose name I have never heard), I still take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.pr-inside.com/print7292.htm

MILLS WINS SOLE CUSTODY OF BABY BEATRICE


2006-06-07 08:57:58 -


LATEST: SIR PAUL McCARTNEY's estranged wife HEATHER MILLS has won sole custody of the couple's daughter BEATRICE.
The model-turned-activist's US spokeswoman MICHELE ELYZABETH has revealed the news to American TV show EXTRA.
Elyzabeth, who went public with her thoughts about the split and the press attacks on her client, claims Mills went to court on Friday (02JUN06) in London and received an order granting her full custody, with Sir Paul receiving visitation rights.
McCartney and Mills married in June 2002. Their daughter was born in October 2003.
The couple announced their split last month (MAY06).
Last week (ends02JUN06), McCartney blasted UK reports suggesting his baby daughter would live with him following his divorce.
Writing on his website, the former BEATLE said, "I continue to be dismayed by the inaccuracies in the media. We both agreed to work at all times in Beatrice's best interests."

LucyLennon4me Jun 07, 2006 07:28 AM

eh, not for nothing but if this is so I am extremely surprised they would award her FULL custody especially after the porno pictures she did have surfaced. What kind of mom and role model is she going to be to that little girl, running around the world being a slut? sorry but I think it is really bad that she never told Paul about her past and how she changes the truth to suit her needs. she says it was not pornographic because she did not have sex with the models but a hard core german skin mag is pornographic in my opinion.

I wish Paul would get full custody because he is stable, mature and has proven he can raise children well.

Rellevart Jun 07, 2006 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMVNipper
Of course, given that it's supposedly Heather's PR person (whose name I have never heard), I still take it with a grain of salt.

MICHELE ELYZABETH

I believe this is the same person who was quoted in some other article yesterday and described as "Heather's best friend". Unless she has a friend named Michelle Elizabeth and a publicist named Michele Elyzabeth. :rolleyes: In any case, I'd never heard of either of them till yesterday either, but then I'm not really up on all things Heather, so I don't really know/care much about her friends or her staff.

maybebaby Jun 07, 2006 07:55 AM

http://people.aol.com/people/article...201580,00.html


McCartneys Deny Custody Report

Wednesday Jun 07, 2006 10:05am EST
By Courtney Rubin and Pete Norman
CREDIT: JANET GOUGH / CELEBRITY PHOTO

Despite a U.S. television report, Heather Mills McCartney has not gained full custody of Beatrice, her 2-year-old daughter with estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney, reps for both Heather and Sir Paul tell PEOPLE.

The TV show Extra reported Tuesday that Michele Elyzabeth, described as Heather's publicist, said Heather had gone to court in London on Friday and received an order granting her full custody, with visitation rights for Sir Paul.

Sir Paul's U.K. publicist, Stuart Bell, tells PEOPLE the claim is "total rubbish."

And Heather's U.K. rep, Anya Noakes, tells PEOPLE, "Michele is Heather's U.S.-based publicist and a friend of hers, but I have absolutely no idea why she would have said this as no decisions have been made about custody of Beatrice."

(Noakes also said that reports that Heather will appear on Larry King Live were "not true no plans at all.")

Last week, Sir Paul disputed another report regarding custody of Beatrice. In a June 1 posting on his Web site, he wrote: "I continue to be dismayed by inaccuracies in the media. I have seen the story in Hello magazine regarding custody arrangements for Heather's and my daughter, Beatrice, which is simply not true. We both have agreed to work at all times in Beatrice's best interest, but no decisions have been made yet."

In May, Heather, 38, and Sir Paul, who turns 64 on June 18, announced their split after nearly four years of marriage.

No matter what, McCartney's longtime friend and former John Lennon girlfriend May Pang tells PEOPLE, "This separation will not stop Paul from being a good father, as he has always been."

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LucyLennon4me
eh, not for nothing but if this is so I am extremely surprised they would award her FULL custody especially after the porno pictures she did have surfaced. What kind of mom and role model is she going to be to that little girl, running around the world being a slut? sorry but I think it is really bad that she never told Paul about her past and how she changes the truth to suit her needs. she says it was not pornographic because she did not have sex with the models but a hard core german skin mag is pornographic in my opinion.

I wish Paul would get full custody because he is stable, mature and has proven he can raise children well.

I totally agree with you, Lucy. Now, considering this comes from just one "source" and that one one of her friends (all her friends are her PR people, apparently, or is it the other way around?), I am inclined to disbelieve that a custody decision has been reached this quickly.

BTW, here's an article that disputes the "she did not have sex with the models" argument...I think personally that it's just a matter of time until the hardcore porn films surface... :rolleyes: Let's just say that I wouldn't be surprised if you searched hard enough for them on the net, you'd come up with something...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006260282,00.html

Porn pal to tell of romp


Trouble at Mills ... Heather and
co-star - before 'doing it for real'

By VICTORIA NEWTON
Showbiz Editor

LADY Mucca's partner in porn is set to tell the world they had passionate
sex over and over again after the cameras stopped clicking.

The curly-haired male model is hoping to bag thousands of pounds by selling
his story of how he did it for real with Heather Mills.

His move will heap yet more shame on Sir Paul McCartney's estranged wife -
mother of his two-year-old daughter Beatrice.

Yesterday it emerged her divorce settlement from the former Beatle could be
slashed.

Lawyers for 63-year-old Paul are bound to cite her pornographic past as
grounds for his payout - until now estimated at 200million - to be reduced.

Heather, 38, suffered a THIRD knock as it was revealed top shelf men's
magazines are preparing to publish some of the filthiest images from her
photo shoot with the male model.

She is already reeling after The Sun's world exclusive on Monday, in which
we told how she "starred" in a German hard core porn book in 1988.

Heather has insisted the book was merely a Lovers' Guide-style self-help
manual for partners.

But the pictures have no accompanying words - and her claims have been
widely ridiculed. An angry-looking Heather turned up at Paul's country
spread in Peasmarsh, East Sussex, yesterday - accompanied by her lawyer.

It was the first time she has shown her face since the scandal broke. Paul
was not there. He was at his home in St John's Wood, North London.

Heather, who drove up in a black Mercedes 4x4, stayed less than 15 minutes
before speeding away - apparently in a rage.

An onlooker said: "Heather drove right up to the farmhouse. She left in a
right state."

Heather is in talks to do a warts-and-all interview about her split from
Paul - on AMERICAN TV.

She has told CNN host Larry King she is desperate to tell her side of the
story. Heather has been approached by a string of British TV journalists
including Sir Trevor McDonald. But she favours King as she has often
appeared on his show - and believes she will get softer treatment in the
States.

She also hopes to develop her career across the Atlantic.

A US TV source said: "Larry King will devote a whole hour to her story and
she feels she will get a smoother ride.

"She has done at least three interviews with him in the last 18 months and
feels comfortable.

"She is desperate to get her side of the story over before her divorce
settlement, which is bound to include a confidentiality clause.

"Heather thinks she will get a fairer hearing in the US, where she intends
to develop her career and remain a media personality and animal rights
campaigner." Heather, who has repeatedly denied being a gold-digger, would
not pocket a penny.
*
American TV rules ban news outlets like CNN from paying for interviews.

Passers-by quizzed by The Sun on Britain's streets yesterday were united in
believing Heather's photo shoot was pornographic, NOT educational.

Shown pages of the German book, called The Joys of Love, catering worker
Madeline Johnson said: "It's just too rude to be a guide - the pictures show
everything." Madeline, 30, of Clapton, East London, added: "It would have
some sort of text if it was meant to be educational. It's definitely porn."

Journalist Ruth Lumley, 26, of Brighton, said: "Blimey, I've never come
across a 'sex education' book that has whipped cream in it."

Facilities manager John Bertram, 52, of Manchester, said: "It would need
more text and less in the way of edible undies and thongs. In this situation
Heather is definitely a porn star."

Printer Andrew Love, 42, of Basildon, Essex, declared the book "fairly hard
core".

And engineer Stuart Lye, 31, of Chingford, Essex, said: "After ten pages
it's clear you're not going to learn much with all these whips and things."

Harry Jun 07, 2006 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucyLennon4me
eh, not for nothing but if this is so I am extremely surprised they would award her FULL custody especially after the porno pictures she did have surfaced. What kind of mom and role model is she going to be to that little girl, running around the world being a slut? sorry but I think it is really bad that she never told Paul about her past and how she changes the truth to suit her needs. she says it was not pornographic because she did not have sex with the models but a hard core german skin mag is pornographic in my opinion.

I wish Paul would get full custody because he is stable, mature and has proven he can raise children well.

yeah and he smoked and probably still smokes a bucket of weed which not only did he grow himself illegally but also smuggled into Japan many years ago like Heathers pictures were taken many years ago, calling her an unfit mother is really sinking low.

Harry Jun 07, 2006 08:37 AM

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LucyLennon4me Jun 07, 2006 08:45 AM

ok two things:

In response to Susans post all I can say is WOW. This goes much deeper then we all thought, it seems a lot of stuff is going to come out.

In response to Harry's post, well yeah I kind of forgot about the weed situation and how people could feel that that is not too cool around kids. I do not know Pauls situation but it seems that whatever weed use he did was not in front of the kids. Not to start an arguement cause many folks would say so what he did not smoke in front of the kids he was still under the influence which might not be a good thing etc etc, I do not want to raise that issue. It is my observation that Paul did a good job of parenting regardless.

Although these points are valid I still think in my opinion that Beatrice would be better off with Paul.

Harry Jun 07, 2006 08:52 AM

Fair comment however she has no other children as far as we are aware so how can she prove she can raise Bea well if she doesn't get the chance, i think it should be shared custody.

I just think this is all so horrible and mean, sorry if I am being sensitive but this is true Bitchdom.

LucyLennon4me Jun 07, 2006 08:59 AM

Harry,

You know that IS a good point. Why NOT shared custody? who says one has to win over the other? It would probably be best for the child to have access to both parents.

Cream Tangerine Jun 07, 2006 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry
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Yep.... That's the two sisters, right there... Paul McBeth and the two witches indeed.

That cow should NOT be getting custody! Paul has proven himself an excellent parent (as opposed to...). Someone taking one of his kids from him will really take a toll on him. Poor Paul....

Rellevart Jun 07, 2006 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMVNipper
I think personally that it's just a matter of time until the hardcore porn films surface... :rolleyes: Let's just say that I wouldn't be surprised if you searched hard enough for them on the net, you'd come up with something.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how rumors start. Somebody quotes this as "a source", slaps it on the front page of whatever your favorite tabloid is today and there you go. Or somebody says "I read on the Internet that..." and there you go again.

It really does sadden me how easy it is.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rellevart
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how rumors start. Somebody quotes this as "a source", slaps it on the front page of whatever your favorite tabloid is today and there you go. Or somebody says "I read on the Internet that..." and there you go again.

It really does sadden me how easy it is.

Gee, I would LOVE to have that kind of power...to affect the tabloids...to have people take me that seriously. I would venture to say that anyone who says "I read on the internet that..." and does not realize that this is a DISCUSSION FORUM and not a NEWS SITE has a few screws loose anyway. It should be obvious to anyone with a brain that this is not a site where news is written and sourced, just discussed.

Gimme a break -- and you can't honestly tell me that other people around here haven't been thinking this either. It's not a stretch, sorry...considering she's always denied that she ever even did porn photos, a film is not out of the realm of possibility, IMO.

And I think this is going to be a really tough call regarding custody of the child -- I would hate to be the judge. Let's see, give custody to the sociopathic porn star or the pot-smoking old man...... :rolleyes:

Harry Jun 07, 2006 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucyLennon4me
Harry,

You know that IS a good point. Why NOT shared custody? who says one has to win over the other? It would probably be best for the child to have access to both parents.

and I agree with you whole heartedly what i didn't agree with was your comment about how Paul should raise her because Heather would be a rubbish mum cos of her pictures.

Harry Jun 07, 2006 10:10 AM

Oh and the use of the words "cow" and "slut" just shows how mature some people are doesn't it? Calling somebody names is for the playground I would have thought but hey maybe i am just too old for this.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 10:31 AM

You know what I really find laughable? All the people around here preaching "respect" for Paul when they are failing to see that the person who disrespected him most of all was the woman he married, and whom they are still defending. Amazing.

I prefer to call a spade a spade, as it were...and I though I won't use words like "cow" or "slut," I will again say that I think she has definite sociopathic tendencies and an extremely flexible relationship with the truth.

BTW, Harry, I don't know where you went to school, but where I come from kids young enough to be on a playground don't know words like "slut," and certainly don't use them.

Harry Jun 07, 2006 10:42 AM

Well maybe not over there, I am Welsh (British), and only today i took a bus ride and some of the words i heard coming out of the mouths of 14 year old school children :blush4: I just think there should be a grown up discussion which i believe it has been to a certain extent, people of have got hot under the collar yes but to result to name calling is terrible terribly sad.

Oh and we use the term "playground" meaning school not literally a playground, if you know what i mean.

Georgie Girl Jun 07, 2006 10:43 AM

It seems to be a little too early for the custody
issues to be settled, and I can't imagine Heather
having full custody. Bea should be allowed lots
of time with both parents. Girls need moms, and
Paul has been a good dad, from what we've seen.
His kids had a stable loving environment, and they
all seem to have turned out okay. Paul may not be
active for many more years, hate to say, so the baby
should spend as much quality time with him as possible,
as well as with her mom.

Here comes that beating. :afraid2:

Harry Jun 07, 2006 10:45 AM

Put a crash helmet on sweetheart!

Georgie Girl Jun 07, 2006 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry
yeah and he smoked and probably still smokes a bucket of weed which not only did he grow himself illegally but also smuggled into Japan many years ago like Heathers pictures were taken many years ago, calling her an unfit mother is really sinking low.

I always sort of suspected Paul got arrested on purpose. :devious:

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry
Well maybe not over there, I am Welsh (British), and only today i took a bus ride and some of the words i heard coming out of the mouths of 14 year old school children :blush4: I just think there should be a grown up discussion which i believe it has been to a certain extent, people of have got hot under the collar yes but to result to name calling is terrible terribly sad.

Oh and we use the term "playground" meaning school not literally a playground, if you know what i mean.

Okay...I was picturing kids my son's age, and he's only seven. I know he and his friends do not know words like that, or at any rate, what they mean.

Anyway, I agree with Georgie Girl, that poor child deserves time with both parents, though as I said I would hate to be the judge deciding who gets primary custody. But it does seem very early in the process for these decisions to be made already, and makes me wonder whether this "information" is true. And unfortunately, given the "statements" Heather's "people" have given over the years whenever something is in dispute, I tend to lean towards this being just another premature attempt to save face that ultimately digs a deeper hole.

maybebaby Jun 07, 2006 11:27 AM

Glad everyone read the article I posted earlier where Stuart Bell (Paul's PR guy) as well as Heather's spokesperson deny any rumour of custody arrangements having been settled one way or the other. LOL!

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebaby
Glad everyone read the article I posted earlier where Stuart Bell (Paul's PR guy) as well as Heather's spokesperson deny any rumour of custody arrangements having been settled one way or the other. LOL!

I saw that, didn't it come out before this one, like several days ago? The article above (and the original query) came after a statement from Heather's people that she got full custody on Friday last week.

As I said, nothing is reliable -- especially if it comes from Heather's people, IMO.

maybebaby Jun 07, 2006 11:52 AM

It's new and clearly a response to what was published today:


McCartneys Deny Custody Report

Wednesday Jun 07, 2006 10:05am EST
By Courtney Rubin and Pete Norman
CREDIT: JANET GOUGH / CELEBRITY PHOTO

Despite a U.S. television report, Heather Mills McCartney has not gained full custody of Beatrice, her 2-year-old daughter with estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney, reps for both Heather and Sir Paul tell PEOPLE.

Rellevart Jun 07, 2006 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMVNipper
Gee, I would LOVE to have that kind of power...to affect the tabloids...to have people take me that seriously.

Ha! I wasn't seriously inferring that there were tabloid reporters skulking around Beatlelinks waiting to turn your (or anyone else's) latest predictions into their next headlines. But these things can take on a life of their own sometimes...you know, somebody reads it, tells somebody else and forgets to mention it's just an opinion, they e-mail a 3rd person, who posts it on a Yahoo group and 1000 people are told it's "fact". It's SO easy. Why add to the general misery level in the world?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMVNipper
Gimme a break -- and you can't honestly tell me that other people around here haven't been thinking this either.

Perhaps not, but I can honestly tell you that I don't have enough interest, nor enough time on my hands to spend speculating about what other people around here have or haven't been thinking about Heather.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rellevart
Ha! I wasn't seriously inferring that there were tabloid reporters skulking around Beatlelinks waiting to turn your (or anyone else's) latest predictions into their next headlines. But these things can take on a life of their own sometimes...you know, somebody reads it, tells somebody else and forgets to mention it's just an opinion, they e-mail a 3rd person, who posts it on a Yahoo group and 1000 people are told it's "fact". It's SO easy. Why add to the general misery level in the world?

Gee, I have a fanfic like that on my website! Seriously, there's a story there about some office gossip becoming true.

I do not believe that happens in the real world, sorry. Not when there are people with brains who point out that the "facts" came from a discussion board and not a news site.



Quote:

Perhaps not, but I can honestly tell you that I don't have enough interest, nor enough time on my hands to spend speculating about what other people around here have or haven't been thinking about Heather.
Fine, then don't read or comment in the threads. I mean, if you really have no interest in it and clearly think very little of people who do, why bother coming back and berating us? The mere fact that you keep coming back and arguing with people who do want to discuss it by telling us that we're disrespectful or nasty seems to indicate that maybe secretly you DO have enough interest and perhaps just don't want to own up to it. If you don't care, then no one's forcing you to read or participate in these threads -- but I would ask that you stop judging people who want to, because that is surely how it seems.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebaby
It's new and clearly a response to what was published today:


McCartneys Deny Custody Report

Wednesday Jun 07, 2006 10:05am EST
By Courtney Rubin and Pete Norman
CREDIT: JANET GOUGH / CELEBRITY PHOTO

Despite a U.S. television report, Heather Mills McCartney has not gained full custody of Beatrice, her 2-year-old daughter with estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney, reps for both Heather and Sir Paul tell PEOPLE.

Not ten seconds after I posted my reply to you before, I got an email about this...sorry, I didn't realize it was a new statement. But that does indicate that at least on this particular point, nothing has been decided yet...and I would say that Heather's "US rep" is probably being told to keep her big mouth shut or is out of a job by now.

Rellevart Jun 07, 2006 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMVNipper
Fine, then don't read or comment in the threads. I mean, if you really have no interest in it and clearly think very little of people who do, why bother coming back and berating us?

You misunderstand. I did not say that I'm not interested in what people are saying about the situation. I'm quite interested in that, which is why I continue to read and comment. What I am not interested in is blindly speculating what other members who are not posting in this thread may or may not be thinking about. Quite different.

And I don't believe that I am berating anybody. If you feel berated, I apologize for making you feel that way. It is not my intent. I do not enjoy being intentionally cruel, so if I have insulted you by stating my opinions on matters, I apologize.

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 12:45 PM

Oh, I'm not "blindly" speculating at all, actually -- I'm saying what I know to be the truth from talking to other people from this forum outside of this forum.

I do feel berated, and so, I am certain, do other people -- or did you not read the other thread about the porn pictures? Let's see, several people (including several other moderators) have been letting other members have it for discussing this for a while now...or did you perhaps miss that? I could quote a few things for you if you like. But then again, I guess some people's opinions are more acceptable than others...and apparently if the opinions expressed aren't sweetness and light and cutesy-poo Paulie stuff, then they're automatically "disrespectful" and "nasty" and worth taking someone down over.

Lynner Jun 07, 2006 12:54 PM

Could we go back to the topic? And maybe some discussions would be better offline?

Georgie Girl Jun 07, 2006 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynner
Could we go back to the topic? And maybe some discussions would be better offline?

I like it better this way. :teeth1:

VersusBatman Jun 07, 2006 01:00 PM

lol!

I feel bad for Paul. I'd hate to think what it will do to him if he only has visitation rights.

beatlebangs1964 Jun 07, 2006 01:02 PM

Susan, I'm glad you said what you did as I was feeling exactly the same way. Everybody is entitled to their opinions and to express them. Like John Lennon said on the Christmas 1964 album, "John here speaking with his voice!" we hopefully are all speaking in our voices, meaning our true opinions and not echoing the party/prevailing sentiment.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic - with regard to custody, I am glad that I am not in the position to judge. All I can say is that like Harry said, one's background does not necessarily have anything to do with one's parenting styles or ability to be a good parent. I am not saying Heather is or isn't; I don't know, but I am saying that there is something to what he has said above.

VersusBatman Jun 07, 2006 01:04 PM

I'm glad I'm not the judge either and Beatrice is too young to tell the judge how she feels about each parent. So this should be tricky.

VersusBatman Jun 07, 2006 01:08 PM

Who in the what now?

HMVNipper Jun 07, 2006 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPSHOT
LOL.... in normal English.... gossip talk based on glosse articles....

It's what you value...

I will say yet again -- if you don't like what is being discussed or have no interest in it, why bother to even comment in the threads? Do you get some kind of perverse joy out of berating other people who do want to talk about it? Do you think that not a single Beatles fan is discussing this outside of forums like this one? Boy oh boy, if you believe that you really have your head in the sand.

Yeah, it is what you value...and clearly some people value being self-righteous and smug. :rolleyes: Fine, if you think you're so much better than those of us who want to talk about it or who think Heather is a liar with psychological issues, then go off and leave us alone, but stop coming onto these threads and slamming us for talking about it!

beatlebangs1964 Jun 07, 2006 01:12 PM

Gentle reminder...

Getting back to the topic at hand here....

Many might say it is Devil's Radio, perhaps? Still, everyone will have to wait and see. As for myself, I will hope for everybody's best interest, here on this board and in the McCartney family.

VersusBatman Jun 07, 2006 01:13 PM

What's Devil's Radio?


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