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I'm So Tired
Jan 11, 2002, 06:41 AM
As a new member to this forum, I would like to know other forumites opinion of Yoko Ono.
I have my own (not a particularly favorable one), but am interested in what other people think.

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FPSHOT
Jan 11, 2002, 07:10 AM
We have had various discussions about Yoko in the past and I guess that you opinion is shared by some or even more.

So I suggest you have a look at these discussions, one of them ended in the Menlove Avenue Forum October 2001, so you have to bring it back again on the right hand side.


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Cecilia
Jan 11, 2002, 04:33 PM
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I'm So Tired
Jan 14, 2002, 05:54 AM
i have just read the thread dealing with whether yoko broke up the beatles etc. What immediately comes to mind are a number of things. On that topic - there were many things that led to the beatles breaking up - i think yoko being constantly in the studio was one of them - but i think the situation with allen klein and pauls opposition to him was critical in paul wanting to leave - i think also paul and johns treatment of george - not really considering him an equal played a large part of george not wanting to continue in the group. Beatles break up and reasons for it could go on and on. Each member had different reasons not to wanting to be a part of the group anymore.

Back to yoko - i agree with what people posted on her singing ability - not much there, though i cant say i have listened to everything she has done - the first listens have not made me want to listen to anymore of it. she has come across as being very manipulative even of john eg not allowing phone calls from paul to be put through to john. george has in a 1987 interview said that he wished john was still alive as yoko was making it harder for the other 3 in their shared business dealings as apple corp etc. the other 3 beatles seemed to get on with each others wives or partners a lot easier than they did with yoko.

in a 1980 interview just before his death john actually said that he wished he had done things differently when yoko came into his life, and he then understood how the others must have felt when yoko came into the studio etc.

as an avant garde artist, yoko found her niche and is admired in those circles to some degree - and i do think her (and johns) anti war stances are something I admire, She did seem to be a bit threatened of John having outside interests or activities that did not include her.

anyway this is enough raving for now.

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Sally
Jan 14, 2002, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By I'm So Tired:
i have just read the thread dealing with whether yoko broke up the beatles etc. What immediately comes to mind are a number of things. On that topic - there were many things that led to the beatles breaking up - i think yoko being constantly in the studio was one of them - but i think the situation with allen klein and pauls opposition to him was critical in paul wanting to leave - i think also paul and johns treatment of george - not really considering him an equal played a large part of george not wanting to continue in the group. Beatles break up and reasons for it could go on and on. Each member had different reasons not to wanting to be a part of the group anymore.

Back to yoko - i agree with what people posted on her singing ability - not much there, though i cant say i have listened to everything she has done - the first listens have not made me want to listen to anymore of it. she has come across as being very manipulative even of john eg not allowing phone calls from paul to be put through to john. george has in a 1987 interview said that he wished john was still alive as yoko was making it harder for the other 3 in their shared business dealings as apple corp etc. the other 3 beatles seemed to get on with each others wives or partners a lot easier than they did with yoko.

in a 1980 interview just before his death john actually said that he wished he had done things differently when yoko came into his life, and he then understood how the others must have felt when yoko came into the studio etc.

as an avant garde artist, yoko found her niche and is admired in those circles to some degree - and i do think her (and johns) anti war stances are something I admire, She did seem to be a bit threatened of John having outside interests or activities that did not include her.

anyway this is enough raving for now.

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I think we no right to judge her as we do not know her and we can only an impression through the media which is sometimes very very wrong, or judge her singing. Also, I think she had no part in the Beatles break up as it started happening anyway and if she made John happy then I am happy too.

People should give her a break, after all didn't the Beatles mean love and peace to everyone (including Yoko) and I can't help thinking that any of the Beatles would be disappointed in people being hurtful about anyone.



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LeonardaBeatle
Sep 02, 2002, 08:16 PM
I actually like Yoko. I don't think she was the cause of the Beatle breakup. There's lots of evidence: first of all, John and Yoko met probably in '68, and rumours of a breakup began as early as '66. George hated being a Beatle, "The breakup of the Beatles satisfied me more than anything else in my career. Being a Beatle was a nightmare, a horror story. I don't even like to think about it." So it wasn't entirely John's and Yoko's fault. There's much more evidence, but those are the top two reasons.
Personally, I think John and Yoko made an amazing couple. They were both "the arty beatnik type." http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cool2.gif

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Magill
Sep 03, 2002, 09:01 AM
Let's just say...she's not my favorite person. My opinions of her have gotten me in trouble before so..http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/sssh.gif. But, I will say, she did make our Johnny happy and for that I'm grateful to her.

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angelgodiva
Sep 03, 2002, 10:32 AM
I would say that I am pro Yoko.
It was clear to everyone how much John loved her, and simply upon that basis alone, all of his fans owe her at the very least acceptance. John made no secret of the fact that Yoko influenced him; in fact he said on numerous occasions that NO ONE ever influenced him to a greater degree than Yoko.
Therefore, it must be recognized that Yoko played a huge part in making John the man, and the artist, he developed into during the time that they were together.
I saw him cry when they were separated; there was nothing he wanted more than to return to her. He said that she was his LIFE, the other half of him. If anyone loves John, they have to acknowledge that Yoko made him happy. I think that even those of John's fans who do not particularly care for Yoko's music (I don't like it at ALL) or her personality at least do give her credit for making John happy, and are glad that he found someone who could really do that for him.

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beatlebangs1964
Sep 03, 2002, 01:09 PM
I'm with Angel on this one.

I also think this thread belongs on Menlove Avenue.

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kenny willis
Sep 07, 2002, 04:25 PM
i hate yoko ono

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MaccaTwst9
Sep 07, 2002, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By I'm So Tired:
As a new member to this forum, I would like to know other forumites opinion of Yoko Ono.
I have my own (not a particularly favorable one), but am interested in what other people think.

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I have changed my thoughts about Yoko in the previous years.....shes human..and so were The Beatles, and they still are. Thats what I also think its safe for me to say "No Comment" and "Give Peace a Chance"

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Sep 08, 2002, 05:27 AM
welcome, so tired.
we all must agree in one thing - pro or against yoko - that she is so important to the history of the beatles, specially john, that she is still the topic of endless conversations.

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the ninth walrus
Apr 22, 2010, 06:44 AM
i have to admit considering i have a huge crush on john i'm jealous
of her

JonnyLytnin
Apr 22, 2010, 01:55 PM
As one who grew up not knowing much about the Beatles until more recent years, I remember that all I thought of her for the longest is the standard public perception. Now that I have researched and learned soooo much about the band and, to some extent Yoko, I have a middle of the road opinion of her.

While her relationship with John was a part of the reasons that the Beatles broke-up, it was just as much as much John's fault for allowing it to happen. Also, I now know that there were other factors involved that may have caused the same result even if Yoko had never stepped into the picture.

Following the breakup, she was (by most accounts) an exemplary wife and companion for John and no-one has done more to promote/protect John & his music since the tragedy of 1980. For these reasons, I have respect for Yoko.

Lucy
Apr 22, 2010, 04:01 PM
I love her.

Beatleboy
Apr 23, 2010, 03:53 PM
For those who've seen my t-shirt, you know where I stand.

Lucy
Apr 24, 2010, 02:11 AM
Dust it is a shame you feel that way! Do you honestly believe that a little lady like her (I don't mean that in a condescending way - I saw "little" to demonstrate the imbalance in her power vs the beatles power) would have had the power to break a force like the Beatles up? no way! She may have done some stuff but I do not believe that she broke up the band. Paul says she didn't. I love Paul.

Yoko is great. My experiences of her are really positive.

But I know there are loads of people that feel differently. Just like how I hate Bono and will never change my mind on that no matter how many people point out the good stuff he does.

Beatleboy
Apr 24, 2010, 10:15 AM
Luce, just to clarify my position, the breakup has nothing to do with it. We both know that The Beatles were headed in that direction, with or without Yoko's presence. They'd outgrown the group, as well as each other. It was time for the four of them to move on, anyway.

My two main beefs with Yoko are the way she's treated Julian over the years, and her "singing" voice. To me, it's shameful that Julian has been treated as nothing more than John's throwaway child by her. The fact that Julian had to sue Yoko, and John's estate to get what was rightfully his speaks volumes, as to what she thinks of him. On top of that, her singing voice really puts a hurt on my ears every time I hear it. Some people may like that stuff, and I know it's purely subjective, but I can't stand it. Her voice comes off as nails on a chalkboard, to me. You may not agree with me, but that's not talent by any means.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

JudithKristen
Apr 25, 2010, 09:23 AM
Well, I had first hand experience with Yoko when "Strawberry Fields" was in the making shortly after John's death.
I remember writing to Mayor Koch, Parks Commissioner Stern, Bruce Kelly (landscape architect) and Frank Serpe, all around good guy who worked for the Parks Commission... I wanted to know if I could donate something to Strawberry Fields.. some trees or something... I adored John and wanted to do something beautiful for this man who gave ALL of us so much. I thought, well... maybe they won't go for it, but I'd plant trees somewhere for him. (You know, something to grow in love and beauty in his memory) I lived in Philly in a small rowhome at the time and had just enough backyard to hold a clothesline and 2 trashcans.

Well, I was referred to George Speerin at The Dakota who worked with John and Yoko.

Karma must've been on my side. George invited me to The Dakota and I told him my plans... 18 Japanese Witch hazels... 9 (number 9) from me and 9 from my friend, Carole.
Well, in the meantime Carole bailed on me, and so I held good on my promise (if it was okay) for those trees to be a part of Strawberry Fields.
Within a few weeks, I went back to Studio One, John and Yoko's office, drank Earl Grey tea (John 's favorite) out of his very own cup... and got to hold the Grammy award that The Beatles had won for Pop Vocal Group. I jokingly tried to stuff it into my jacket and George smiled at me and then politely asked for it back. :)

ALL THAT SAID... as I was leaving... Yoko appeared. TINY... this woman is TINY! I felt like Godzilla next to her.
Mink jacket... hair tied back in a pony tail, and her Porche-Carrera glasses in place.
She had heard of my gift, and although this was ORIGINALLY ONLY intended for countries to donate things to the park, for some reason, she okay'd my trees.
I'd like to think it was my love and passion and tenacity and a few good heart-felt letters and phone calls that did it... whatever it was... my trees were IN.
Long story short... She was very kind to me, very sweet. I was invited to the opening ceremony which took place on October 9th, 1985 right there at... of course, Strawberry Fields.
Bob Fred from the BBC was sent to interview me... I guess on Yoko's say.
For years after that I ALWAYS got a Christmas card from her. (none lately) I still send one to her, but my last name is different now... I should mention that when I send one this year.

But again.... I had no bad experience with her up close and personal, as I said she was quite nice to me.
As a fan, when she came onto the scene, I felt as most did.

But... my own personal experience has to top what I felt when I was young and only knew her from the news and in magazines.

By the way... my 18 Japanese Witch hazels are now about 20 (plus) feet tall, and they were placed from the very tip of Strawberry Fields all along the fence directly across from The Dakota!

It's a joy to see so many people resting in their shade... reading, listening to music...

I smile just thinking of it.

:)

hibgal
Apr 26, 2010, 04:58 AM
A wonderful person may have few talents, a genius can be the worst a**h*** you ever met. One really shouldn't confuse the two.

As a person I don't know Yoko so couldn't say. For instance, Julian. Maybe she felt because John ignored him she was loyal to John's memory by doing the same? She pretty much ingored her own daughter from her previous marriage as well. So what have you?

As to talent, no. Yoko's art and singing or whatever it is she does is not to my liking. I don't consider it talent but then I don't consider that type of "art" or "music" true art forms anyway, no matter who's involved. Still, for those that enjoy it, that's their choice and I certainly don't want to inhibit anyone else's enjoyment just because I personally don't like it..

PepperlandFrog
Apr 26, 2010, 01:43 PM
As to talent, no. Yoko's art and singing or whatever it is she does is not to my liking. I don't consider it talent but then I don't consider that type of "art" or "music" true art forms anyway, no matter who's involved. Still, for those that enjoy it, that's their choice and I certainly don't want to inhibit anyone else's enjoyment just because I personally don't like it..hibgal really yokos art is the real thing, her singing really doesn't bother me.
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JudithKristen
Apr 27, 2010, 08:39 AM
From these posts there really isn't much gray area concerning Mrs. Lennon... seems like either you hate her or you love her.

VersusBatman
Apr 27, 2010, 09:22 AM
I don't care for her music or her art. I don't hate her though. She raised a great kid.

Lucy
Apr 27, 2010, 12:49 PM
Luce, just to clarify my position, the breakup has nothing to do with it. We both know that The Beatles were headed in that direction, with or without Yoko's presence. They'd outgrown the group, as well as each other. It was time for the four of them to move on, anyway.



Okay but a t-shirt that says "Still pissed at Yoko" would suggest otherwise, that's all. You referred to your t-shirt so I took the message from your t-shirt as how you felt about it.

If yours ears hurt from her music or you don't like her art, that's a different matter entirely and not much to do with being "still pissed" at her.

And hey - you know of course that I'm not being all angry, right?! This is just a little discussion! We're still friends aren't we?!?!! heehee!

Beatleboy
Apr 28, 2010, 09:33 AM
Okay but a t-shirt that says "Still pissed at Yoko" would suggest otherwise, that's all. You referred to your t-shirt so I took the message from your t-shirt as how you felt about it.

If yours ears hurt from her music or you don't like her art, that's a different matter entirely and not much to do with being "still pissed" at her.


Ok, so you just made an assumption, and ran away with it? You can interpret it anyway you want. I don't care. However, that's how I see it. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but that's the way it is with me. And yeah, it does piss me off on those occasions, which I'm subjected to her "talent."

Lucy
Apr 28, 2010, 02:06 PM
Ok, so you just made an assumption, and ran away with it?

You said something like "those of you that have seen my t-shirt, you know where i stand".
I have seen the photo of your t-shirt.
It says Still pissed at Yoko.
That reads as you are still pissed at her for breaking up the band. That is what that t-shirt means. that is why that t-shirt was created. Why else would the "still" be in there? Still pissed at her means you don't like her music? that doesn't make sense.
That is me assuming nothing.
Perhaps if it is merely that you don't like her music, you should have a new t-shirt made....perhaps it should just read "not a fan of yoko" or "i don't like yoko". If you are so vicious and particular about people not thinking that you thought she had anything to do with the break up, get the "still" removed because that's what everyone WILL think.
And let me remind you again - you referred to the t-shirt and said it was where you stand on the matter.
But really I don't even care whether you like her, hate her, love her or not. The only reasons I raised this in the first place is because I read your t-shirt for what it says and questioned that. And as you have responded to say that you don't think she broke up the band, then that's fine. Whatever. End of story.

beatlebangs1964
Apr 28, 2010, 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by hibgal http://www.beatlelinks.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.beatlelinks.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1010118#post1010118)
Yoko's art and singing or whatever it is she does is not to my liking. I don't consider it talent but then I don't consider that type of "art" or "music" true art forms anyway, no matter who's involved. Still, for those that enjoy it, that's their choice and I certainly don't want to inhibit anyone else's enjoyment just because I personally don't like it.

I don't care for her music or her art. I don't hate her though. She raised a great kid.

Well said, hibgal and Bat.

beatlebangs1964
Apr 28, 2010, 02:45 PM
You said something like "those of you that have seen my t-shirt, you know where i stand".
I have seen the photo of your t-shirt.
It says Still pissed at Yoko.
That reads as you are still pissed at her for breaking up the band. That is what that t-shirt means. that is why that t-shirt was created. Why else would the "still" be in there? Still pissed at her means you don't like her music? that doesn't make sense.
That is me assuming nothing.
Perhaps if it is merely that you don't like her music, you should have a new t-shirt made....perhaps it should just read "not a fan of yoko" or "i don't like yoko". If you are so vicious and particular about people not thinking that you thought she had anything to do with the break up, get the "still" removed because that's what everyone WILL think.
And let me remind you again - you referred to the t-shirt and said it was where you stand on the matter.
But really I don't even care whether you like her, hate her, love her or not. The only reasons I raised this in the first place is because I read your t-shirt for what it says and questioned that. And as you have responded to say that you don't think she broke up the band, then that's fine. Whatever. End of story.

Amen, Sister Lucy! You said it better than I could. Preach on, Sister Lucy!

I'm glad to see someone else say she loves Yoko. Add me to that camp. My tent is firmly pitched there.

And yeah, I think Mr. Boy's shirt does contained a mean spirited message. While he is entitled to his opinion, I am just as entitled to mine which is that I disagree with him.

I will say that Yoko did not, repeat, most emphatically DID NOT break up the Beatles! The Beatles broke up the Beatles!

In Pat Kinzer Mancuso's book about forming the George Harrison Fan Club, she copies part of a letter George's father Harold Sr. wrote when he said more or less the same thing because he feared his son would suffer fallout for the band's disbanding. It was a decision the boys collectively made.

Again, Yoko DID NOT break up the Beatles!

Beatleboy
Apr 28, 2010, 02:57 PM
You said something like "those of you that have seen my t-shirt, you know where i stand".
I have seen the photo of your t-shirt.
It says Still pissed at Yoko.
That reads as you are still pissed at her for breaking up the band. That is what that t-shirt means. that is why that t-shirt was created. Why else would the "still" be in there? Still pissed at her means you don't like her music? that doesn't make sense.
That is me assuming nothing.

Oh please, once again that's your assumption, with you running away with it. Again, that's your interpretation, and not mine! I've already stated my opinion, and I'm not gonna rehash it over and over again. I don't care what you think about the shirt or your opinion for that matter. But if you wanna get nasty about it, that's your problem, not mine. Whatever! I don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks about the matter. If you wanna discuss it further you can take it to PM or e-mail.

darkhorse23
Apr 28, 2010, 10:24 PM
One of the things Paul McCartney said that he was proud of the Beatles was their message and music was always positive. I sometimes get nauseated at the negativity on this board.

bobdude
Apr 28, 2010, 10:34 PM
Trying to be objective here. I've seen shirts like Beatleboy's. It's an attempt at humor. Not something that should be taken literally. Although I did chuckle at the shirt the first I saw it! LOL!

PepperlandFrog
Apr 29, 2010, 10:27 AM
Trying to be objective here. yeah, open childish hatred can never be objective, it is a severely flawed expression of human emotion..

and yes waay too much childish, morose and self-absorbed negativity on this board...lotsa' square pegs in round holes here, if you ask me..

and blaming yoko as being solely responsible for the break up of the beatles is absurd and childish, anyone can figure out for themselves that there had to be other motivations and factors that played into this. criticizing yokos art, her politics and her singing is even worse, unrealistic and unreasonable at best.

fact is yoko was a leader and groundbreaker in the avante garde fluxus art movement, i find her to be an inspiration to us all.

..childish hatred and open bigotry are the gestures of a very insecure and delusional person.. one whom lives a dull, dreary, drab, uninspired, black and white and ultimately unfruitful existence.

it also points to some deeper defect.

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VersusBatman
Apr 29, 2010, 10:33 AM
Eh, I've been to chat forums where the abuse is worse. This place is pretty tame.

raul
Apr 29, 2010, 11:13 AM
yoko is great. i rest my case.

Legs
Apr 29, 2010, 11:20 AM
I think most of us don't blame Yoko for breaking up the Beatles.
Many factors are at play, and it's silly to blame it on one person.

As for negativity on this board.
I'm not sure what in this case should be seen as negative.
There is nothing wrong with not likeing Yoko's art or her singing, if that's considered being negative I can't agree with that.

PepperlandFrog
Apr 29, 2010, 11:32 AM
yoko is great. i rest my case.thank you raul. she is an inspiration to us all.

...been to chat forums where the abuse is worse. This place is pretty tame.
good gawd mann... please explain this "spoonfed" ad hoc mucho nonsense to me.

apples and oranges..

geeze... that's a pretty lame and moronic justification for the absurd, senseless, "tilted" insincere and mediocre yoko bashing that takes place here on a regular basis.. the cowardly lion approach, if it's anything at all...:rolleyes:

do the math, your "by the numbers" comments are "fluffy" and unrealistic and unreasonable. a virtual obscenity. :nono4:

:rolling3:

BTW your moral schizophrenia is showing... and it ain't a pretty sight.

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PepperlandFrog
Apr 29, 2010, 11:41 AM
I'm not sure what in this case should be seen as negative..
WTF??

geeze... as usual your "butterknife" remote commentary misses the point and by a wide margin.

yoko bashing is negativity by definition..

it's stupid..not to mention childish..

it's unnecessary.. and that's being generous...it's impossible to justify..

it's negativity..

whether or not you are able to recognize this basic rudimentary fact..

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Legs
Apr 29, 2010, 11:48 AM
Think what you want,
but there is no Yoko bashing here.
Do you ever re-read your own comments?

raul
Apr 29, 2010, 02:14 PM
thank you raul. she is an inspiration to us all.



Welcome, PepperlandFrog.

LadyLoser83
Jul 24, 2010, 04:10 PM
Well, it seems that this topic will never seize to exist: to love or hate Yoko.

I personally can not see how people can still accuse her for breaking up the band. The boys just grew apart and they got other interests such as family. I also think that each and every one of them wanted to test their own wings (heh, no pun intented...) and see if they could make it on their own. They had been together for so long that I truly understand why they needed to get some space of their own. The argues and fighting were unfortunate, but hey, that´s just human.

As what comes to the relationship between John & Yoko and what she did or did not do to John: I think that John was a bit of an ON/OFF-person: when he fell in love, he fell in love totally and unconditionally. To lot of people that can be "too much" and some might see it as John going "nuts". Of course, it is easy to blame the target of his adoration and love, Yoko. IMO, John needed someone strong to be by his side, someone with much stronger personality than what Cynthia had. Maybe Cynthia was too mellow and kind. Yoko also provided adventures for John, which, I think, he had longed for. For many years he had only seen hotel rooms, planes, venues etc. and now wanted to see what other kinds of things life had to offer. He wasn´t mature enough to settle down as a father, either, he wanted to try out different things before that. At least, that is how I see it.

Personally, I´m not that familiar with Yoko Ono´s art except for her music. That I do not consider very interesting nor do I value her musical talent/talentless very highly. However, she IS a very talented and influential business woman and she surely knows how to leave a mark. But the most important thing is, that John got to spend his last years with a woman he loved and who loved him back and gave him the opportunity to have a family and a relatively normal life when he was ready for it. At the end of the day, she made him happy and that should be reason enough to "forgive" her, if that´s how you want to put it.

These are my subjective point of views and I had no intention of pushing anyone´s buttons.

AeolianCadence
Jul 24, 2010, 06:52 PM
Some of the things Yoko did back in the day weren't very cool (she doesn't seem to have been very kind to Julian Lennon -- that's my main issue). But all in all, I think she's a pretty cool lady.

There's still a pretty widespread notion out there, among people with just a passing familiarity with the Beatles, that she was the one who broke them up. I do what I can to point out that it's nowhere near as simple as that.

hibgal
Jul 24, 2010, 07:52 PM
I cannot see the connection drawn by some that not liking Yoko's music or art or personality or what have you equals to hate her and blame her for the breakup of The Beatles! Believe me, it's quite easy to refrain. Yet time and again I see how some infer such feeling of the person giving voice to even the mildest criticism. The plain fact is that John and George broke up The Beatles, which they've both admitted. Paul tried to keep them together, while Ringo vacillated between positions.

As to Yoko, I don't know her personally but what I've seen of her actions doesn't impress me much, true. Does that make me a Yoko basher? I wouldn't say so. It's perfectly easy to be pretty much indifferent to Yoko without going to either extreme of hate or love, you know.

JudithKristen
Jul 26, 2010, 04:45 AM
Welcome "I'm so tired"

I met her a few times and liked her.

As far as The Beatles breaking up? You know, even if we were all a fly on the wall and saw everything that went down, we'd still have different opinions on this one.

As for me... even though I wish they had been with us longer, I'm glad we had them for the time that we did.

Imagine the world of music without them?

beatlebangs1964
Jul 26, 2010, 03:49 PM
No Beatles - no good British Invasion artists that followed in the aftermath of their success, not to mention the people today whose music has been directly influenced by the Beatles!

I can't stand to even think about it! :afraid2:

Johnnys Girl<3
Jul 26, 2010, 04:33 PM
dont even get me started. i respect her because John seemed to love her so much but she irritates me so bad and im gonna leave it at that lol

darkhorse23
Jul 26, 2010, 11:07 PM
As a few people here may have noticed, I am a huge supporter of Yoko. I don't think people necessarily have to like her or her art, but there is a HUGE difference between like and respect. I am sure there is nothing John would have wanted from his fans than to RESPECT Yoko.

Like it or not, she is the closest person to John. Don't forget, she represents him with a 25% say as well as veto rights in ALL Beatles business decisions. She has done a great job keeping his work and memory alive. How easy it would be for her to be the forever grieving widow who bitterly sits alone with all of her memories of John and his unfinished ideas.

Just think if it were not for Yoko's "greed" (and that is sarcasm my friends) we would have
!) NO Free As A Bird
2) NO Real Love
3) NO Beatles Anthology project
4) NO Rock Band
5) NO Cirque LOVE project
etc.

someplace dude
Jul 29, 2010, 09:36 AM
I think I'm the only one in my family who will ever say this, but I kinda like Yoko Ono. I have a lot of respect for her and I also feel kinda bad for her because some Beatles fans seem to hate her and, I mean; she lost her husband...that's gotta be real hard to live through...I think she's kinda cool in some ways. She seems nice, too. She's one tough lady to do what she does, so I say go Yoko!