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durstie
May 28, 2003, 09:00 AM
Singer McCartney's wife pregnant (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6510551%255E1702,00.html)
I was watching the tv and I just heard the fantastic news and wanted to share it with everyone. I'm so happy for them
how cool Paul's gonna be a daddy again.

Harbidge
May 28, 2003, 09:07 AM
Just so you know, a Heather Mills is Pregnant store ran earlier this year and was debunked by the couple personally. I think it'll be for the best to wait for an official statement before letting it sink in images/icons/smile.gif

HMVNipper
May 28, 2003, 09:50 AM
I think this IS an official statement, Harb...it was on the Associated Press wires, and all the other times it wasn't...

Here's the US version of pretty much the same article:

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_MCCART NEY_MILLS?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=ENTERTAINMENT&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_MCCARTNEY_MILLS?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=ENTERTAINMENT&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

May 28, 11:32 AM EDT

McCartney's Wife Heather Mills Pregnant





LONDON (AP) -- Heather Mills, wife of former Beatle Paul McCartney, is pregnant with the couple's first child, their spokesman said Wednesday.

In a brief statement, the couple said "we are delighted with this happy news."

Mills, a 34-year-old former model who lost a leg in a motorcycle accident and raises money for children disabled in war, married McCartney at an Irish castle in June 2002.

The spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the baby is due later this year. He did not say what month.

The child will be the first for Mills, who was married briefly in 1989. McCartney, 60, has three adult children, Stella, Mary and James, and a stepdaughter, Heather, from his marriage to his first wife, Linda McCartney, who died in 1998 from breast cancer.

Three months ago, Mills said in a television interview she feared she would never have a child because of a series of health problems, including cancer and two ectopic pregnancies.

"The chances of me getting pregnant are about that much," she said, holding up her thumb and finger an inch apart.

[ May 28, 2003, 09:52 AM: Message Edited By: HMVNipper ]

EasternBird
May 28, 2003, 09:50 AM
Well, for what it's worth, several other sources are reporting it too. Here's a link from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2944524.stm

Congrats & good luck to the happy couple. graemlins/smile1.gif

MissusLennon
May 28, 2003, 10:04 AM
WOW! This is such great news!
I'd heard rumours several times, but this seems to be official!
How exciting! Best of wishes to them both!

Beatlesgal
May 28, 2003, 10:07 AM

HMVNipper
May 28, 2003, 10:10 AM
I will say that I never thought one of the Beatles'd have a kid younger than my own, but that's the way things go sometimes, I guess.

Mazel tov! images/icons/smile.gif

Lynner
May 28, 2003, 10:19 AM
If the stories are true, then how nice for them. If the stories aren't true, oh well.

beatlebangs1964
May 28, 2003, 10:26 AM
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Beatles'girl123
May 28, 2003, 10:34 AM
I just found out on Good Day Live about 5 minutes ago, and rushed to get online. I hope they are telling the truth!! Like Beatlesgal said, I never thought a Beatle chinld would be born in my lifetime. Clearly Paul has been a naughty boy lately graemlins/eyebrows.gif hehe sry just had to say that!

Rellevart
May 28, 2003, 10:34 AM
I hope everybody is happy and healthy. images/icons/smile.gif

pepperland67
May 28, 2003, 10:57 AM
That's amazing news! I'm so happy for them! images/icons/smile.gif

dovetail
May 28, 2003, 11:14 AM
I just heard about it on the news and I'm SO pleased for them, it's brilliant!! I look like this at the moment!: graemlins/images/icons/grin.gif

Apple Scruff
May 28, 2003, 11:16 AM
Congratulations to Heather and Paul. Beautiful news. I'm sure they are about the happiest two people right now. images/icons/smile.gif

durstie
May 28, 2003, 11:42 AM
I agree with HMVNipper, check out this one I just found
"We are delighted with this happy news" - statement by Sir Paul and Heather

Baby joy for Sir Paul and Heather (http://www.itv.com/news/243047.html)

Mona_J
May 28, 2003, 11:47 AM
This is great! I'm so happy for Heather and Paul.

HariScruff_00
May 28, 2003, 01:16 PM
Call me a cynic or whatever but I have to confess I was a bit afraid to come to BeatleLinks to see everyone's reactions, with all the Heather bashing that goes on I thought there would be some negativity but I'm really glad to see everyone's reactions are so happy.
I hope Paul & Heather are ready for the loads of happy-mail they're going to get in the post! They're gonna get one from me!

Today is getting to be too much for me as far as news reports- Patrick Roy retires and now this :\

Anyway, The Best of Good Luck to Paul Heather and child!

"You know he's married now, he's got 18 kids. I called him up on the last one- I said, 'are you a Catholic?'"
Ringo Starr about Paul- Saturday Night Live, 1984

Sexie Sadie
May 28, 2003, 01:38 PM
yeahh!! Congrats paulie! hmm so now lets see, my brother is 12, so hopefully its a she, hehe, *matchmaker* god I'd kill to be related to Paul McCartney, but perhaps I wont have to...I guess my brother better get busy...*sigh* I can dream can't I?!

SF4-EVER
May 28, 2003, 01:54 PM
I too wish Paul, Heather, and the baby health and happiness. graemlins/baby.gif images/icons/smile.gif

This topic technically belongs in Red Rose Speedway, but since so many people have replied to it already, I'm just going to leave it here -- less confusing, I think.

[ May 28, 2003, 01:55 PM: Message Edited By: SF4-EVER ]

HMVNipper
May 28, 2003, 02:12 PM
Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:


This topic technically belongs in Red Rose Speedway, but since so many people have replied to it already, I'm just going to leave it here -- less confusing, I think.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I don't think it does, it's NEWS...might be about Paul and Heather, but news just the same. Just my two cents... images/icons/wink.gif

ChrisG134
May 28, 2003, 02:16 PM
Congrats to them!Why he wants to have kids at 60 is crazy.I'm 37 and wouldn't think of having them now.But Good Luck to them any ways!

BrazilianFlag
May 28, 2003, 02:53 PM
OK, the news have arrived over here (Brazil). Congratulations to the McCartneys on the new arrival, and good luck!

Hari Krishna
May 28, 2003, 02:55 PM
That's great! Congrats to the happy couple.

SgtPepper2107
May 28, 2003, 03:02 PM
I'm so happy for them!Congrats Paul and Heather!

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28
May 28, 2003, 03:25 PM
i think the news is awsome - someones been busy! -but it makes me wonder what do paul's kids think? i mean imagine his grandkids theyre gonna have an aunt or uncle that younger then them... well anyways thats awsome!!!!!! (hopefully the baby looks like dhani) lol im dreaming (lol and its not possible)

MonaMe577
May 28, 2003, 03:31 PM
You know, I actually had a dream about this about a week ago, believe it or not. They had a boy, and they named it Connor. Unlikely I guess but ... Connor McCartney. Has a nice ring to it.

A Beatle baby is wonderful news!! Congratulations to both Paul and Heather!

kaypea
May 28, 2003, 03:45 PM
(I don't know how to reply to a previous message... but I'm commenting on the person who said that when the child is 20 Paul will be 80... 81, I think.)

I hope everyone is very healthy, and continues to be during the pregnancy and birth.

Of course, a child is always good news.

Certainly Paul is entitled to a happy life and a wonderful family.

But,

YUK.

I'm sure his current, adult children will take some time to get used to this happy news. (As will his Grandchildren who will be older than their Aunt or Uncle.)

(I thought since everyone else is voicing their opinions about Paul's private life I would chime in, too. I know that what I'm saying won't be well received, but it's my opinion... of course, Paul never asked for my opinion or anyone else's!!!)

So in the spirit of putting my nose into this man's personal business...
I say: YUK.

abbeysoul9
May 28, 2003, 03:50 PM
THIS IS great, great, great!! I screamed when I found out on msn.com!! hehe! YAY, for Paul and Heather!! Hope nothing goes wrong *crosses fingers* graemlins/baby.gif &lt;---awww! images/icons/smile.gif

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28
May 28, 2003, 04:07 PM
u know how many ppl r gonna be pissed im not happy for one i mean nothing agaist them i said it was awsome-but for them but them heather doesnt seem like the motherly type! -no offense to any of u but really? are u just puting on a good face for the fourmz??? bc i know not many of u are happy! im just sayin not to sound mean but really come'on

Magill
May 28, 2003, 04:28 PM
Originally Posted By ChrisG134:
Congrats to them!Why he wants to have kids at 60 is crazy.I'm 37 and wouldn't think of having them now.But Good Luck to them any ways!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">My sentiments exactly. I cannot wait 'til 2010 and my kid is (hopefully) out on her own! Then, I'll be free.....FREEEEEE! graemlins/dance.gif

Johnny Lover
May 28, 2003, 04:35 PM
I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28
May 28, 2003, 04:39 PM
MEE!!!!!!!! sorry to say to some heather lovers but the truth hurts!

Magill
May 28, 2003, 04:40 PM
Originally Posted By kaypea:

So in the spirit of putting my nose into this man's personal business...
I say: YUK.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">It's ok with me. After all, I was one of the ones that said "YUK!" images/icons/tongue.gif when they married. But really. A baby is always happy news and we all know how much Paul loves children and how great a Dad he'll make..even at 61. Makes no difference. He's an old pro. I do agree with that I hope Heather has it in her to be a good Mom. Taking it on in your mid-30's for the first time and possibly nearing the menopause age, well, can be just a bit trying. All the best to her, I say, and more power to her. Paul, I'm not worried about at all.

Johnny Lover
May 28, 2003, 04:45 PM
wow. i soooooooo cant believe this!!! i dont know how to feel about it...
hehe. im only writing this cause i dont want to be a "fool on the hill". wah!!!

Johnny Lover
May 28, 2003, 04:48 PM
yeah, paul will make a GREAT father... I wonder how his kids with Linda feel about this. I'm guessing theyre not too fond of heather at the moment.

Kashka
May 28, 2003, 04:54 PM
I guess I'm happy for the McCartney's. I want you to ponder this one kids. Heather said not to long ago that her chances of having kids were slim to NONE. Also, don't it seam kinda odd that she now ends up in a famliy way. I'm not trying to bash her. Belive me she has been slamed alot in the last few year. Let me ask you could this be a true. I have been reading a lot of stuff on this vary subject. I do hope it is true for Macca. I bet his kids are wondering what is going one now ? Just something to think about that's all.

VivianC
May 28, 2003, 05:00 PM
Hola amigos:

I just heard the news on Access Hollywood, oh boy it's wonderful !

Felicitaciones ! to our dear Paul and Heather. God bless you both and the baby.

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DizzymissLizzy909
May 28, 2003, 05:03 PM
I'm glad for them too. I think a baby will really bring them together... but they're both getting a little old! 61 and having a baby? Hmm... Although I know of a guy who had a baby when he was 81, so then again maybe Paul's not really that old... just as long as they're happy, I guess!

leonardobeat
May 28, 2003, 05:51 PM
Paul must be thinking that he will gonna live forever graemlins/shakehead2.gif *

Sorry if I'm spoiling the fun but I think that Paul is out of time, not for him, I'm thinking of the children, what will do happen when Paul is not there?

Have Paul and Heather ever think what will do happen when Paul is gone? I think children, kids, need a father. Especially when they are young.

Having childs is not buying pets. Watch out!

leonardobeat
May 28, 2003, 05:53 PM
P.S. Since things are done, Good luck Paul and Heather.

scott500
May 28, 2003, 06:08 PM
Its fairly ordinary. His wife is at the right age to have children, but he is not. I,ve got 4 young children and the last thing I would want when I,m pushing 60 is a screaming little rugrat. I'ts a difficult situation. Having a child that could be a grand child of the same age from his other chilren is a weird thing.

HMVNipper
May 28, 2003, 06:19 PM
Originally Posted By DizzymissLizzy909:
I'm glad for them too. I think a baby will really bring them together... but they're both getting a little old! 61 and having a baby? Hmm... Although I know of a guy who had a baby when he was 81, so then again maybe Paul's not really that old... just as long as they're happy, I guess!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">HE's a little old, DizzymissLizzy! But I had my son when I was three years OLDER than Heather, so she's hardly past her childbearing years...and then again, Tony Randall was in his 70s when his children were born...

Someone on another list I belong to speculated that this might be an IVF baby...given Heather's history of ectopic pregnancy and the scarring of her fallopian tubes, and the fact that she was seen at a fertility clinic in the past few months leads us to believe that perhaps, just perhaps, the eggs were fertilized in a petri dish and implanted, thus bypassing the fallopian tubes altogether...it's a thought, anyway...

And that means there could be...MORE THAN ONE...

Stay tuned, this could be quite interesting...

[ May 28, 2003, 06:21 PM: Message Edited By: HMVNipper ]

Beatlesgal
May 28, 2003, 06:26 PM

PauLuver69
May 28, 2003, 06:35 PM
Originally Posted By Beatlesgal:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by HMVNipper:
And that means there could be...MORE THAN ONE...<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I thought about that possibility earlier. Little twin McCartneys. graemlins/baby.gif * graemlins/baby.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Cute!

For those of you who don't think it is true, on the Seatle times website it says that their spokesman issued the statement about Heather being pregnant..So I'm thinking this is pretty close to the truth! Lol.

I am so happy for them, I freaked out when I heard the news. I hope everything turns out okay for Heather though! And once I got over the initial shock of her being pregnant, I began thinking, "Wait just a minute...this means that Paul has been getting a bit frisky..." which didn't put a fabulous mental image in my mind...I mean, him being young and youthful i can picture it and think, "Awww, how cute!" but it kinda makes me cringe now....they are still cute and everything, but since he is so much older than her, it seems a bit strange.

HariScruff_00
May 28, 2003, 06:37 PM
Originally Posted By Kashka:
I guess I'm happy for the McCartney's. I want you to ponder this one kids. Heather said not to long ago that her chances of having kids were slim to NONE.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">IMO: wouldn't you say that too if every tabloid was reporting that you were pregnant (obviously they were reporting it before she actually was pregnant). I wouldn't use that against her. The "slim to none" thing was probably mainly to get the tabloids to back off on that topic. Plus, if she tells that to the media tabloids(and its not any of their business) it doesn't mean that's what she and Paul knew. IMO She isn't required to tell the a$$es from the trash papers about her pregnancy possibilities.
remember anyway-
"The press are 'sooch' dummies" - George

IWantToTellYou
May 28, 2003, 07:14 PM
graemlins/clap2.gif *

I for one am so happy to hear of this news! I think it is a wonderful thing for two people to share!

I just wish that people would get over the Heather hating thing. I mean, what's the point of that?

Sure Linda died 5 years ago, but does that mean that Paul has to stop living and die too? he got on with his life and I am sure that is what Linda would have wanted him to do.

As for Heather not being too motherly? How would any of you out there know? I mean, no offense. Unless you are one of her friends, I don't think that is an accurate statement. She has probably wanted to have kids all her life, and will make a great mother.

Kudos to Paul and Heather! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif

beatlelover45223
May 28, 2003, 07:46 PM
Hope the baby is healthy, for the baby's sake, sure hope his Daddy is around to see him grow up, I personally would not want to be a parent at Paul's age either, but whatever floats the boat images/icons/smile.gif

motherTheresa
May 28, 2003, 07:53 PM
Originally Posted By Magill:
[QUOTE] Then, I'll be free.....FREEEEEE! graemlins/dance.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">gee, i thought you already WERE free... graemlins/thinker.gif *

at least that's what i keep reading on bathroom

walls!

graemlins/wink3.gif *(slamdunk!)

Magill
May 28, 2003, 10:29 PM
Originally Posted By motherTheresa:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By Magill:
[QUOTE] Then, I'll be free.....FREEEEEE! graemlins/dance.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">gee, i thought you already WERE free... graemlins/thinker.gif *

at least that's what i keep reading on bathroom

walls!

graemlins/wink3.gif *(slamdunk!)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Hanging out in the mens bathroom now, are ya T? graemlins/laugh5.gif

graemlins/cat.gif "meeeow!" images/icons/grin.gif

ImaginePeace78
May 29, 2003, 12:07 AM
That's good news! I just thought of something...when their child is 20, Paul will be 80! Wow!
-Kristi

bearkat77
May 29, 2003, 12:17 AM
Congratulations to the expectant parents. graemlins/baby.gif

Siobhan
May 29, 2003, 12:22 AM
That is good news! I wish them all the very best graemlins/baby.gif * graemlins/beer1.gif

beatlewho01-02
May 29, 2003, 12:56 AM
Congrats to the couple for this wonderful news. Hope nothing goes wrong with this pregnancy.

Savoy Truffle
May 29, 2003, 02:19 AM
I am very, very happy for them! images/icons/smile.gif

Clark Kent
May 29, 2003, 04:35 AM
I always knew that Macca still had it in him!

BrazilianFlag
May 29, 2003, 05:26 AM
Originally Posted By Beatlesgal:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by HMVNipper:
And that means there could be...MORE THAN ONE...<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I thought about that possibility earlier. Little twin McCartneys. graemlins/baby.gif * graemlins/baby.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I can't stop smiling at the thought... images/icons/grin.gif

(about Paul being "too old" to be a father, I agree in terms, but he ain't the first. Charles Chaplin had a child with Oona in his eighties, am I wrong? And, anyways, what's done is done, they can't just "deliver it back to sender", can they?)

Siobhan
May 29, 2003, 05:47 AM
Well this article seems to guarantee it is true as it has quotes from family members:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=13008722&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=LADY%20MACCA%20IS%20PREGNANT

LADY MACCA IS PREGNANT May 29 2003


McCartney's joy as wife reveals her pregnancy

By Fiona Cummins, Ms Showbiz


SIR Paul McCartney's wife Heather is three months pregnant, it was announced yesterday.

She will give birth to their first child at the end of the year. Father-of-four Sir Paul, 60, and Heather McCartney Mills, 35, said in a statement: "We are delighted with this happy news."

There were fears that Heather would not be able to conceive after suffering two ectopic pregnancies and cancer of the uterus.

But the former model-turned-landmine campaigner became pregnant less than a year after their wedding last June.

As congratulatory messages poured in from around the world, Sir Paul's brother Mike said the whole McCartney clan were delighted.

He said: "It will bring a breath of life to the McCartney family. Us McCartneys are very good at being dads."

Mike, a member of 60s band The Scaffold, added: "I can't tell you how delighted my wife and I are, it's our wedding anniversary tomorrow and it could not have come at a better time. It's marvellous news, excellent news."

Sir Paul's cousin Ian Harris said: "Paul is absolutely ecstatic - Heather is about three months pregnant and doing very well.

"He called to let the family know about the birth before it became public knowledge. And he just sounded really, really pleased."

Ian, a retired security guard from the Wirral, said: "Paul might be old but he's full of life - he's still a child at heart himself so I'm sure he'll be a great father again. He did really well with his other kids, they're all lovely." Gerry Marsden, of Merseybeat band Gerry and the Pacemakers, said: "It's absolutely wonderful news. I'm so pleased for Paul and at his age as well.

"It's good to see there is life in the old dog yet. He'll make a great father."

The couple have continuously denied reports that they were expecting. But the Mirror can reveal that they visited natural childbirth unit the Viveka Clinic in St John's Wood, North London, in March. Actress Sadie Frost and model Kate Moss have both given birth there.

A source said: "They left the clinic with a spring in their step. It was clear to me they had just received some very good news.

"They were walking arm-in-arm and looked really happy and in love."

But aides close to the couple insisted it was just a regular check-up. Just three months ago, Heather told chat show host Michael Parkinson of her fears she might never have children. Holding her thumb and a finger close together, she said: "The chances of me getting pregnant are about that much.

"They said I'd been pregnant, which is really hurtful, knowing that I've had cancer of the uterus and two ectopic pregnancies.

"I'm sure for any woman out there it's hard enough when your family keeps saying, 'When are you going to have a baby, then?', never mind the whole world saying 'Oh, she's pregnant this week'."

Heather, who met Sir Paul at the Daily Mirror's Pride of Britain awards four years ago, has made no secret of the fact she was desperate for a child.

Sir Paul has three children - fashion designer Stella, 31, Mary, 33, and James, 25 - by wife Linda who died from breast cancer in 1998. He also has a stepdaughter Heather from Linda's first marriage.

The Beatles first manager Allan Williams was delighted at the couple's news.

He said: "Good luck to the man. He's proved himself as a great father and I think that's because he has never forgotten his working class roots.

"He was brought up sensibly by his father and he does the same with his children. I think its great."

John Chambers, of the Liverpool Beatles Appreciation Society, said: "If it's a boy, it would be wonderful if he names him after John Lennon, as they were best of friends back in the day.

"If it's a girl, maybe he can call her Michelle, after the Beatles song."

-HEATHER yesterday sent a message of comfort to Laura Range, 13, of Bootle, Merseyside, who had her amputated after falling in front of a train. Heather, who lost her leg when she was run over by a police motorcyclist in 1993, offered to visit Laura in hospital when Sir Paul plays a concert in Liverpool on Sunday.

Lynner
May 29, 2003, 05:49 AM
Originally Posted By Johnny Lover:
I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">So how long is he supposed to wait????

Siobhan
May 29, 2003, 05:54 AM
As for the age thing, I don't really think it's a big deal. Paul is no spring chicken, but he's not a doddery old man either. He could live for another twenty years or more, and if he doesn't at least his child will be able to say s/he had a great dad. Do you think that if John knew he would die at the age of 40, or George at the age of 58 this would have stopped either of them having their kids? I doubt it personally. Whatever time a loving parent and child have together is special.

Lynner
May 29, 2003, 05:57 AM
I realize that the choice of when to become parents is a personal one, but I really don't think that Heather is too old to be a mother, and I'm sure that my pregnant 36 yr old sis-in-law would agree with me. I didn't get married until I was 31, my son was born the year I turned 36. Sure sometimes it would be nice to have the freedom I used to, but when I look at my children, I know I made the right decision for me.

I hope Heather has an overall comfortable pregnancy!

[ May 29, 2003, 05:58 AM: Message Edited By: Lynner ]

beatlegirl273
May 29, 2003, 06:01 AM
I heard about this last night and I've come to the conclusion that I'm ok with this. There is one side effect to this, though. Think of how society's gonna treat the kid. Better yet, think of how the kid's gonna feel. It isn't going to be easy for he/she.

[ May 29, 2003, 06:02 AM: Message Edited By: beatlegirl273 ]

Rellevart
May 29, 2003, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted By Lynner:
I realize that the choice of when to become parents is a personal one, but I really don't think that Heather is too old to be a mother, and I'm sure that my pregnant 36 yr old sis-in-law would agree with me. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">So would I. I'm a child of older parents (my parents were 40 when I was born) and I'm over 40 now and they're both still doing great. images/icons/smile.gif And plenty of my friends waited till 35+ to have kids because they weren't financially ready at younger ages. Parents can live to be 100 or they can die when they're 25. You just never know. And if, god forbid, anything were to happen to Paul before this child grows up, there will be a large, loving, extended family who I'm sure will pitch in to help raise it. And obviously, financial need will never be a problem. images/icons/smile.gif

Rellevart
May 29, 2003, 06:32 AM
Originally Posted By beatlegirl273:
Think of how society's gonna treat the kid. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Just curious, but why do you think society will not treat this child well?

LuvLennon
May 29, 2003, 07:09 AM
As much as I find the age thing a little unsettling (someone mentioned that Paul will be 80 when his son or daugter is 20), it seems to me that expectations of age groups have been changing, and for the better too. People past 60 who might have been termed "old" maybe 20 years ago are no longer seen as such, and a have quite a few relatives that are in their 70's and 80's and are still active people who travel remain physically fit and enjoy life. So really age doesn't really define who you are or what you can do, and I hope that Paul and Heather will be able to enjoy watching their child grow up together.

Just wondering though whether given her past medical history Heather is in any way putting herself in danger by becoming pregnant? I don't know the effects of ovarian cancer and ectopic pregancies, but they both sound very serious and really it surprises me that she would be so eager to become pregnant again. But I do hope that everything goes well.

Litl Lennon
May 29, 2003, 07:22 AM
I think it's great that they are going to have a child. I was just wondering the other day if it was ever going to happen.

I hope Heather can get through this pregnacy alright, as knowing that in her past she had a few ectopic pregnancies..(if any of you have read her book, A Single Step- it's really moving and a very touching story).

Anyway, Congrats to Paul and Heather!

(Maybe it will be a boy so there will be a younger version of Paul keeping that sexyness alive for women to come!)

~Cheyla~ graemlins/flower2.gif

shyGirl
May 29, 2003, 04:26 PM
What a suprise! Congrats to the happy couple.

graemlins/jumping.gif

Johnna Lynn
May 29, 2003, 05:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Lynner:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Johnny Lover:
[qb]I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?
Heather is his current wife. Linda isnt coming back!

BeatlesFlip
May 29, 2003, 05:16 PM
This is great news! Congrats Paul and Heather!

misslennon_909
May 29, 2003, 05:40 PM
First I must rebuke the Heather bashing. Yes, you're allowed your own opinion. True, I'm not the biggest Heather fan in the world. But I say that if she makes Paul happy she's good enough for me, darn it.

Next I wanna say I knew they were gonna have a kid! It was just a matter of time! I don't care how old Paul is, age is merely a medical factor to me. Speaking of medical issues, I hope Heather gets through the pregnancy okay. A new McCartney! How exciting! I wish Macca and Mills the best!

Now I can't stop smiling. Babies are always such happy news. images/icons/smile.gif

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28
May 29, 2003, 05:46 PM
Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Lynner:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Johnny Lover:
[qb]I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?
Heather is his current wife. Linda isnt coming back!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">well yeh linda isnt coming back but really dont u think that she 1000 times the woman heater would ever be?? ok and another thing how long will heather be his wife thats the ?

Boogaloo Sixty-Four
May 29, 2003, 05:47 PM
Well, I guess I'll post here after all. I saw this thread yesterday; but I really hesitated about opening my mouth on the subject. I suppose I'm gonna get grilled like a veggie burger for saying this; and *please* don't be mad, b/c I really do wish them and the baby all the best, but:

Resources on the World Overpopulation Crisis (http://www.overpopulation.org)

I think it was a terribly self-centered choice for them to make. Paul is an environmentalist, and Heather is an anti-landmine/human rights activist. They're not ignorant. They know that they, one of the most wealthy and famous names in the Western world, are worsening the problem by adding to the overpopulation of our hurting planet. He already has not one, not two, but FOUR kids...how about all the kids in poverty out there? They could've adopted, either in the UK or internationally. They could have made a miserable life beautiful and wonderful for a child in desperate need; yet they chose to snub those kids and increase the earth's huge 6.7 billion human load, all b/c they just couldn't be happy unless their kid was biologically theirs. Between that and the insane risks to Heather's health and safety, it's just...I'm sorry; but I think it's a very unethical thing that they (especially he) chose to do. Just my feelings.

Anyway, I'm really, really sorry if I've been a wet blanket here. I didn't mean to. It's just that I've always felt strongly about stuff like this. I don't judge either Paul, Heather, or the two of them as a couple; but I just can't feel too thrilled to hear about this one particular life choice they've made, even if it's none of my business. Still, I wish the three of them all the best in health and happiness just the same. I'm glad the child is wanted and loved.

SF4-EVER
May 29, 2003, 06:36 PM
Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Lynner:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Johnny Lover:
[qb]I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?
Heather is his current wife. Linda isnt coming back!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">well yeh linda isnt coming back but really dont u think that she 1000 times the woman heater would ever be?? ok and another thing how long will heather be his wife thats the ?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">What's a "woman heater," something to keep cold-sensitive women like me warm? graemlins/thinker.gif (Sorry, couldn't resist. images/icons/wink.gif ) On a serious note, I think Linda and Heather are like apples and oranges. You may prefer one over the other, but they both have their strong points. Paul obviously loves both of them, and if he's happy, we should be happy for him. I have no idea how long the marriage will last, but if they're both willing to make it work, it can last the rest of their lives.

SF4-EVER
May 29, 2003, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
Well, I guess I'll post here after all. I saw this thread yesterday; but I really hesitated about opening my mouth on the subject. I suppose I'm gonna get grilled like a veggie burger for saying this; and *please* don't be mad, b/c I really do wish them and the baby all the best, but:

Resources on the World Overpopulation Crisis (http://www.overpopulation.org)

I think it was a terribly self-centered choice for them to make. Paul is an environmentalist, and Heather is an anti-landmine/human rights activist. They're not ignorant. They know that they, one of the most wealthy and famous names in the Western world, are worsening the problem by adding to the overpopulation of our hurting planet. He already has not one, not two, but FOUR kids...how about all the kids in poverty out there? They could've adopted, either in the UK or internationally. They could have made a miserable life beautiful and wonderful for a child in desperate need; yet they chose to snub those kids and increase the earth's huge 6.7 billion human load, all b/c they just couldn't be happy unless their kid was biologically theirs. Between that and the insane risks to Heather's health and safety, it's just...I'm sorry; but I think it's a very unethical thing that they (especially he) chose to do. Just my feelings.

<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">You raise a valid point, Boogaloo. Overpopulation is a key concern for the future of our planet. On the other hand, my understanding is that population growth isn't equal; most of the growth is occuring in developing nations, while some industrialized countries are experiencing no growth or even negative growth. Women's education and social standing affects how many children they have, with more educated women in general having fewer children. Also, some of the growth is due to people living longer, and that shifts the population dynamics. Adoption is wonderful -- I'm an adoptee myself -- but it may not be for everyone. The urge to procreate is very strong and difficult to deny. But I do think it's better for couples to have one or two well-cared for children than several they can't support.

MissusLennon
May 29, 2003, 07:29 PM
at the Sheffield concert tonight, Paul confirmed the news =)

I'm so excited for them!

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28
May 29, 2003, 07:35 PM
Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Lynner:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted By Johnny Lover:
[qb]I agree with you, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28. I mean, I know not everyone is this happy!!! I, for one, have no idea how to feel right now. I mean, sure, I'm happy for them, but Linda died just 5 years ago, and Paul is already off getting another gal pregnant. Does anyone agree with me?
Heather is his current wife. Linda isnt coming back!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">well yeh linda isnt coming back but really dont u think that she 1000 times the woman heater would ever be?? ok and another thing how long will heather be his wife thats the ?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">What's a "woman heater," something to keep cold-sensitive women like me warm? graemlins/thinker.gif (Sorry, couldn't resist. images/icons/wink.gif ) On a serious note, I think Linda and Heather are like apples and oranges. You may prefer one over the other, but they both have their strong points. Paul obviously loves both of them, and if he's happy, we should be happy for him. I have no idea how long the marriage will last, but if they're both willing to make it work, it can last the rest of their lives.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">ummm dont u mean the rest of HIS life !!!! lol sry i had to do that! it was too tempting
ps: sry i didnt realize that i put woman heather lol my mistake

Another Foolish Girl
May 29, 2003, 08:13 PM
Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:
You raise a valid point, Boogaloo. Overpopulation is a key concern for the future of our planet. On the other hand, my understanding is that population growth isn't equal; most of the growth is occuring in developing nations, while some industrialized countries are experiencing no growth or even negative growth. Women's education and social standing affects how many children they have, with more educated women in general having fewer children. Also, some of the growth is due to people living longer, and that shifts the population dynamics. Adoption is wonderful -- I'm an adoptee myself -- but it may not be for everyone. The urge to procreate is very strong and difficult to deny. But I do think it's better for couples to have one or two well-cared for children than several they can't support.[/QB]<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I think we should also keep in mind that those are some fine genes our Sir Paulie has got in him. The average person I wouldn't advise to have half a dozen children. To Paul, I say: go forth and multiply. images/icons/smile.gif Next time with me. Yes, this is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but just a bit. I'd be quite happy to see many more McCartney spawn.

Johnna Lynn
May 29, 2003, 08:22 PM
Originally Posted By misslennon_909:
First I must rebuke the Heather bashing. Yes, you're allowed your own opinion. True, I'm not the biggest Heather fan in the world. But I say that if she makes Paul happy she's good enough for me, darn it.

Next I wanna say I knew they were gonna have a kid! It was just a matter of time! I don't care how old Paul is, age is merely a medical factor to me. Speaking of medical issues, I hope Heather gets through the pregnancy okay. A new McCartney! How exciting! I wish Macca and Mills the best!

Now I can't stop smiling. Babies are always such happy news. images/icons/smile.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Heather and Linda "qualify" as far as Macca is concerned. Know how? If not just ask! We women of the world (those over 35 or so) will answer! Right Gals? graemlins/inlove2.gif

Beatles'girl123
May 30, 2003, 12:02 AM
Originally Posted By Litl Lennon:
(Maybe it will be a boy so there will be a younger version of Paul keeping that sexyness alive for women to come!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Oh lets hope!!!! Because James isnt in the spot light much, and he looks a lot like Paul.
So lets cross our fingers!!!!

Johnna Lynn
May 30, 2003, 12:13 AM
Im sure it will all be fine. Paul loves her, and the next step after marriage is kids. Love to both of them.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../168/4897w.html Recent photo link. (I hope)

[ May 29, 2003, 04:27 PM: Message Edited By: Johnna Lynn ]

beatlz
May 30, 2003, 02:59 AM
from THE DAILY MIRROR:

LADY MACCA IS PREGNANT May 29 2003


McCartney's joy as wife reveals her pregnancy

By Fiona Cummins, Ms Showbiz

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=13008722&method=full&siteid=50143


THE LOOK OF LOVE: Paul and Heather on Tuesday in a picture taken specially for their announcement

SIR Paul McCartney's wife Heather is three months pregnant, it was announced yesterday.

She will give birth to their first child at the end of the year. Father-of-four Sir Paul, 60, and Heather McCartney Mills, 35, said in a statement: "We are delighted with this happy news."

There were fears that Heather would not be able to conceive after suffering two ectopic pregnancies and cancer of the uterus.

But the former model-turned-landmine campaigner became pregnant less than a year after their wedding last June.


As congratulatory messages poured in from around the world, Sir Paul's brother Mike said the whole McCartney clan were delighted.

He said: "It will bring a breath of life to the McCartney family. Us McCartneys are very good at being dads."

Mike, a member of 60s band The Scaffold, added: "I can't tell you how delighted my wife and I are, it's our wedding anniversary tomorrow and it could not have come at a better time. It's marvellous news, excellent news."

Sir Paul's cousin Ian Harris said: "Paul is absolutely ecstatic - Heather is about three months pregnant and doing very well.

"He called to let the family know about the birth before it became public knowledge. And he just sounded really, really pleased."

Ian, a retired security guard from the Wirral, said: "Paul might be old but he's full of life - he's still a child at heart himself so I'm sure he'll be a great father again. He did really well with his other kids, they're all lovely." Gerry Marsden, of Merseybeat band Gerry and the Pacemakers, said: "It's absolutely wonderful news. I'm so pleased for Paul and at his age as well.

"It's good to see there is life in the old dog yet. He'll make a great father."

The couple have continuously denied reports that they were expecting. But the Mirror can reveal that they visited natural childbirth unit the Viveka Clinic in St John's Wood, North London, in March. Actress Sadie Frost and model Kate Moss have both given birth there.

A source said: "They left the clinic with a spring in their step. It was clear to me they had just received some very good news.

"They were walking arm-in-arm and looked really happy and in love."

But aides close to the couple insisted it was just a regular check-up. Just three months ago, Heather told chat show host Michael Parkinson of her fears she might never have children. Holding her thumb and a finger close together, she said: "The chances of me getting pregnant are about that much.

"They said I'd been pregnant, which is really hurtful, knowing that I've had cancer of the uterus and two ectopic pregnancies.

"I'm sure for any woman out there it's hard enough when your family keeps saying, 'When are you going to have a baby, then?', never mind the whole world saying 'Oh, she's pregnant this week'."

Heather, who met Sir Paul at the Daily Mirror's Pride of Britain awards four years ago, has made no secret of the fact she was desperate for a child.

Sir Paul has three children - fashion designer Stella, 31, Mary, 33, and James, 25 - by wife Linda who died from breast cancer in 1998. He also has a stepdaughter Heather from Linda's first marriage.

The Beatles first manager Allan Williams was delighted at the couple's news.

He said: "Good luck to the man. He's proved himself as a great father and I think that's because he has never forgotten his working class roots.

"He was brought up sensibly by his father and he does the same with his children. I think its great."

John Chambers, of the Liverpool Beatles Appreciation Society, said: "If it's a boy, it would be wonderful if he names him after John Lennon, as they were best of friends back in the day.

"If it's a girl, maybe he can call her Michelle, after the Beatles song."

-HEATHER yesterday sent a message of comfort to Laura Range, 13, of Bootle, Merseyside, who had her amputated after falling in front of a train. Heather, who lost her leg when she was run over by a police motorcyclist in 1993, offered to visit Laura in hospital when Sir Paul plays a concert in Liverpool on Sunday.

Rellevart
May 30, 2003, 05:52 AM
Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
I think it was a terribly self-centered choice for them to make. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Wow, I think that's being a little hard on them. Yeah, Paul does have other biological children, but Heather doesn't. Are you saying that she should deprive herself of having her own baby if that's what she wants? Do you really think that nobody who has a lot of money should have their own children, but should take on needy kids instead? I'm all for adoption and I'm all for helping others, but geez, they give so much of their time and money to various causes. They can't help EVERYBODY, ALL the time. They deserve to make a few "selfish" choices too.

Lynner
May 30, 2003, 06:02 AM
Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
I think it was a terribly self-centered choice for them to make. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I'm not knocking you for your opinion, but I'm curious - do you feel that no one should have children until more are adopted? Maybe I'm phrasing myself badly - but if they can have children and want to, why shouldn't they? When I got married, My husband and I wanted children of our own. We felt that it would be a wonderful extension of our love. We had also decided that if it was not meant to be, then we would adopt. We felt we had enough love to share.
Taking it to the extreme - I want to travel, but can't afford it, should Paul stay home or give me money to "even things up"? Of course not.
I can't say I agree with you, but I'd like to know more about your views.

Johnna Lynn
May 30, 2003, 06:21 AM
Im glad Jim and Mary McCartney were selfish!!!

lennon4
May 30, 2003, 11:14 AM
Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
Im glad Jim and Mary McCartney were selfish!!!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">LOL...you know, at first I thought you were talking about Paul's kids (James and Mary), not his parents. I was thinking, 'what does this have to do with anything?'... glad I figured it out thought...lol... graemlins/laugh2.gif

-lennon4

Siobhan
May 30, 2003, 11:22 AM
My husband has a daughter from a previous relationship. I do hope that you aren't going to call me selfish for having a child with him also. As Rell pointed out, Paul has children, but Heather doesn't. You can't blame her for wanting a child of her own.

Boogaloo Sixty-Four
May 30, 2003, 03:28 PM
Wow. Guess I really shouldn't have answered this subject after all. images/icons/frown.gif As I mentioned earlier, I wasn't trying to judge them as people or withhold anything but my best wishes toward them. And no; I don't think that everybody who has children biologically instead of adopting is selfish. I don't think having large biological families in light of overpopulation and hunger makes a person a selfish individual either. Rather, I think that taking that particular action is a selfish choice, given the depth of the planet's problem today. I really don't know what else to say. I spent nearly a paragraph of my first post apologizing and wishing them well and (I thought) just presenting another side of the equation to consider; and I still got called harsh. That really hurt. I guess I will just stay out of the hot topics and stick to the lighter threads. Oh, well.

Siobhan
May 30, 2003, 03:43 PM
Don't take it too badly Boogaloo. We don't all have to agree all of the time. You're still entitled to your opinion. images/icons/smile.gif

Sentimentalist
May 30, 2003, 05:07 PM
The over-population thing is a very valid point but when it comes to people having children together it is a very emotional thing and also a very instinctive thing... so you can't really bring a rational argument into it unfortunately. Paul and Heather love each other, Heather has been wanting a child for a long time now, they will love and take god care of the child so I wish them all the happiness in the world.

I myself am exceedingly happy about the news (I'm too young to have ever been waiting for a "Beatle baby" to be born before as the youngest Beatle babes are my age! So this is majorly exciting for me!) and I'm kind of hoping Heather's new status as the mother of Paul's child will make more people realise that Paul and Heather love each other and have made a life together whether the rest of the world likes it or not... and frankly it's none of the world's business who Paul McCartney decides to fall in love with. I think he's found a woman who is a very good match for him, and the important thing is that she's put the sparkle back in his eyes that was very much missing when we lost Linda. Whenever there is a woman who makes one of my beloved Beatle's happy, is a good woman, takes care of him, and means that he will not grow old alone then I shall consider her one of the most wonderful people on earth.

Sorry about the long lecture, only I adore beatle wives and girlfriends so I tend to stick up for them as they get a lot of unfair treatment for no real reason. If they were axe murderers or something I could understand all the hatred, but it seems weird to me to be hated for falling in love with someone and making them happy. How could I do anything but love someone who is loved by an idol of mine?

love, moons and starrs,
Senti.*

Sentimentalist
May 30, 2003, 05:09 PM
And for those of you who think Paul and Heather are a lovely couple and are really excited about the news, there's a lovely picture here:

The Expectant Happy Couple (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030529/168/4897w.html)

SF4-EVER
May 30, 2003, 05:21 PM
Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
Wow. Guess I really shouldn't have answered this subject after all. images/icons/frown.gif As I mentioned earlier, I wasn't trying to judge them as people or withhold anything but my best wishes toward them. And no; I don't think that everybody who has children biologically instead of adopting is selfish. I don't think having large biological families in light of overpopulation and hunger makes a person a selfish individual either. Rather, I think that taking that particular action is a selfish choice, given the depth of the planet's problem today. I really don't know what else to say. I spent nearly a paragraph of my first post apologizing and wishing them well and (I thought) just presenting another side of the equation to consider; and I still got called harsh. That really hurt. I guess I will just stay out of the hot topics and stick to the lighter threads. Oh, well.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Please don't feel you have to do that, Boogaloo. It's important to discuss serious issues occasionally, even if we wind up agreeing to disagree. images/icons/smile.gif

C-Moon
May 30, 2003, 07:43 PM
Yes, Boogaloo, keep on posting. This forum would grind to a halt if we only posted what wouldn't rock the boat!

I had mixed emotions when I first heard the news...glad for them, worried because she's had problems before, thought it ironic that he's having another kid - wonder what PETA thinks of his contributing to the overpopulation problem? Maybe it will help her act less self-centered once she has to care for a life that's totally dependent upon her.

I'm still getting used to the idea of Paul & Heather having a child together. I wish them a happy healthy child and I will keep all of them in my prayers. graemlins/baby.gif

Johnna Lynn
May 30, 2003, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted By lennon4:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
Im glad Jim and Mary McCartney were selfish!!!<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">LOL...you know, at first I thought you were talking about Paul's kids (James and Mary), not his parents. I was thinking, 'what does this have to do with anything?'... glad I figured it out thought...lol... graemlins/laugh2.gif

-lennon4</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I did'nt even think of that! I guess its because I've not heard of James being called Jim. But Mary, did'nt cross my mind,cause shes married now. Good point , though! graemlins/sun.gif

shyGirl
May 30, 2003, 10:42 PM
Here's an interesting commentary about the press handling the Heather pregnancy news.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,966710,00.html

Hating Heather

Matt Seaton
Friday May 30, 2003
The Guardian

It is amusing to watch the tabloids trying to swallow the news that Heather Mills McCartney is pregnant. "Through gritted teeth" is the phrase that comes to mind.
After its campaign of carpet-bombing Heather Mills, culminating recently in gleeful recapitulations of the contents of a TV documentary devoted to trashing her, a ceasefire is now the order of the day. The unborn child is also Paul McCartney's, after all, and announcements of wished-for pregnancies conventionally come under the heading "good news". But the gnashing of hacks' dentures remains audible.

Prior to this, it had been open season on the woman sometimes sarcastically referred to as "model-turned-landmine-campaigner" - which, of course, is code for "trivial, vain and brainless person trying to drag her reputation upmarket by doing charity work". In case you've been living on Mars for the past couple of years, the general tenor of the coverage can be summed up as suggesting that Mills McCartney is a mendacious, manipulative gold-digger.

We can skip quickly past the question of whether any of this Heather-hate is justified. Mills McCartney may have a troubled past from which, to extricate herself, she exercised more than average powers of self-invention. She may even be "not very nice", though none of us who don't actually know her can be sure of that. But does she deserve the kind of vilification that would make an indicted war criminal wince? Surely not.

The more interesting question, then, is: why are people so horrible about Heather? What did she ever do to us? Well, actually, she did something very terrible: she had just about the richest and most eligible widower in Britain fall in love with her and marry her. But this is not only about envy or jealousy. It is also about her temerity in filling the space left by Linda McCartney, Paul's first wife, who died of breast cancer in 1998.

How quickly it has been forgotten that Linda herself was for years subjected to a sour press that portrayed her as a talentless chancer who had hitched herself to Paul's stardom but then dragged him down - all but ruining his career during the Wings years - and who then sold a million veggie sausages on the back of his name. Yet now, it is as if she has become canonised in death: the perfect wife, mother and career woman, of whom we never said a bad word and whom no one could replace. Undoubtedly, she was all those things - if her children are anything to go by - but she was also a human being with, no doubt, all the usual foibles and neuroses.

People who die do not get "replaced"; they live on in the memories of their loved ones. But those left behind also have to return to life and their own futures; not to do so, ultimately, is pathological. By moving on from Linda McCartney's death, Paul did only what was normal and even necessary. Yet for some observers there will always be a sense of betrayal, a feeling that a kind of infidelity that defiles the memory of the dear departed has taken place.

Any direct expression of this is thwarted, however, because there is a prohibition against articulating such criticism of the widow or widower. So what happens is that the "next partner" becomes the lightning conductor. It is their misfortune to bear the rage. And it doesn't matter who they really are: no one will want to know or bother to find out because they are too busy believing the worst about the new favourite.

What is less obvious, but is almost the worst aspect of Heather-hate, is what it says about Paul. If she is a gold-digger whom his kids hate, the corollary is that he must be a dupe for falling for her - someone lacking in judgment who has no entitlement to happiness. (It is the flipside of our culture's misogyny that women often regard men as emotional idiots.)

There is little that is edifying in the symbolic lynching of Heather. The poisonous judgmentalism that drives it is in the worst traditions of small-town gossip. It is prurient, spiteful and hypocritical, and we should cry shame on it.

The one redemptive element is provided by Paul McCartney himself, who appears not to let any of it get to him. He just goes on writing songs, painting pictures and making music. Now that is generous.

negative creep
May 30, 2003, 11:35 PM
Wow. Not to be too blunt, but the way I see paul right now isnt good. To me he's just an old perv.60 is too old to start a family. Especially when you ALREADY HAVE ONE. lol sorry. my opinion but really i dont care. I dont understand why anyone cares. Tell me, is this any of YOUR business? LOL. Dont you have anything better to think about. Actually... wait... I dont care im just gonna go. lmao graemlins/beammeup.gif

Johnna Lynn
May 30, 2003, 11:55 PM
Originally Posted By negative creep:
Wow. Not to be too blunt, but the way I see paul right now isnt good. To me he's just an old perv.60 is too old to start a family.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">While I respect your right to speak your opinion. I also reserve the right to disagree. Not a good idea to call Paul a "perv". Pervert has a definition, and he does not fit!!! Might not be a bad idea to look it up, if you care to.

Beatles'girl123
May 31, 2003, 12:13 AM
tp://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030528/mdf287420.jpg Former Beatle Paul McCartney, 60, and his second wife, Heather Mills, said on May 28, 2003 that the couple are expecting a baby later this year. The couple, married last June in Ireland, are shown arriving in Italy for a benefit concert May 10. (Alessandro Bianchi/Reuters)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030524/mdf284983.jpg

Former Beatle Sir Paul McCartney (news) waves to his fans as he performs on Red Square in Moscow, May 24, 2003. McCartney became the first Beatle to sing inside the Kremlin walls, treating President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) to an impromptu version of 'Let it Be' before singing to thousands of Russians on Red Square. (Sergei Karpukhin/Reuters)

Beatles'girl123
May 31, 2003, 12:18 AM
sry. i didnt type in the first url correctly. Here is it though:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030528/161/47j4x.html&e=5&ncid=707

if they picture doesnt come up, here is the URL
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030528/161/47j4x.html&e=5&ncid=707

joelcrowservo
May 31, 2003, 04:45 AM
Oh man, I agree, I was gonna leave this one ALONE, but I read posts, and ...just to be personal and honest, as always, here we go..
For one, no I guess it really does not impact our lives one iota. But (some of us) are very happy for Paulie, just like we'd be happy for a friend. And thats what he is to many.
Second,I think the overpopulation gig is only important when one is procreating and cant afford to support the child(ren). I think we neednt worry, since Paul only has, oh, a BILLION dollars in the bank!
Third, please think of poor Heather as a WOMAN! I can speak from my life, as although Stephanie and I have 5 kids between us, she admits she would like to have one of our own, as a product of our love. Now look at Heather in THAT light and think about it. Yes, you can be cynical and say, Well she'll have a little McCartney money maker of her own as insurance, whatever. Good God, give Paul more credit! First John was an idiot for choosing Yoko, Paul was crazy for picking an American chick...leave 'em alone. There, my two cents worth. Now let me have it! (Yes, I am happy for the McCartneys, and if Paul is happy, you can damn well bet Linda is happy).

Johnna Lynn
May 31, 2003, 05:59 AM
Who knows, maybe this child will continue his fathers tradition of making millions of people feel happiness and joy.

BrazilianFlag
May 31, 2003, 06:07 AM
Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
Who knows, maybe this child will continue his fathers tradition of making millions of people feel happiness and joy.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Now that would be something!

SF4-EVER
May 31, 2003, 07:13 AM
A few comments: I thought the article shyGirl posted was right on the mark. Negative creep, sixty isn't as old as it used to be. A baby does take a lot of time and energy, but if Paul feels he can handle it, more power to him. And I agree with Dave; this doesn't really affect our personal lives; only our reactions to the news do. That's why I prefer to focus on the positive and wish them well.

Rellevart
May 31, 2003, 08:45 AM
Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
I still got called harsh. That really hurt. I guess I will just stay out of the hot topics and stick to the lighter threads. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">No, don't do that. I'm sorry if my calling what you said harsh hurt your feelings - that was not my intention whatsoever. images/icons/smile.gif I just didn't agree with your point of view, that's all. Not saying you're bad or wrong or anything at all like that - just disagreeing. images/icons/smile.gif

beatlebangs1964
May 31, 2003, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted By negative creep:
Wow. Not to be too blunt, but the way I see paul right now isnt good. To me he's just an old perv.60 is too old to start a family. Especially when you ALREADY HAVE ONE. lol sorry. my opinion but really i dont care. I dont understand why anyone cares. Tell me, is this any of YOUR business? LOL. Dont you have anything better to think about. Actually... wait... I dont care im just gonna go. lmao graemlins/beammeup.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Neg, your comments really bothered me. Rell gave you a good response and I like the way she pointed out that we all can agree to disagree, but courteously. If you don't care about Paul and Heather, then I find your strong comments rather a contradiction.

I also disliked the comment somebody made about overpopulation. That sounded cruel and judgmental to me.

Paul has remarried. Why shouldn't he and Heather have all the rights, joys and privileges of family life? Why judge them, especially when we don't know them personally? That baby means more people to love. Paul is plainly a family man and I am very delighted for him and Heather.

My oldest uncle was 64 when his youngest child was born and at the time his grandchildren were already grown. We never thought any reason for him not to be happy with a life partner who was his soul mate and no reason not to love my younger cousins. I see no reason at all to withhold good wishes from Paul and Heather.

Neg, you don't know who you might offend with these types of comments. I am going to close this thread because there are related threads in RRS and I sure don't want to see this turn into a bash session.

[ May 31, 2003, 12:11 PM: Message Edited By: beatlebangs1964 ]