johns blood spattered glasses in hall of fame

[jami]

i'm going to the hall of fame next month to see the lennon exhibit. just curious to see what eveybody thinks about the glasses (and the clothes) being shown there. i don't know what to think. it kind of freaks me out! have the clothes been washed? is the real blood still on there? or is it fake? what's up with that? let me know!

[Tim]

I don't beleive they have been washed.
The glasses were on Yoko's Season Of Glass LP.

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[Original Fan]

Personally speaking, I don't think I could bare to see those objects; but that's just my opinion.

[Original Fan]

I mean, of course, I couldn't BEAR to see those objects. Sorry.

[Glenn]

Frankly, I think that the fact that they are on display is tacky.

[jtal909]

It's a little too exploitive for me.

[beatlegirl]

Thats really sick & morbid if you ask me!

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[jami]

i guess i'll just have to hide my eyes when i get to that part of the exhibit! i also heard that yoko set up a white phone that has a line directly linked to her home or office or whatever. she makes one call a day to that phone & one of the "lucky" visitors gets to have a little chat with her. i don't know how thrilled i'd really be to talk with her but, i do think it's kind of a cool idea.

[st.paulygirl]

I think it's another example of Yoko's twisted idea of art imitating life.She wants you to feel the finality to John's life as she, herself experienced it.Brilliant,but tacky,nevertheless.I think John himself would have stood behind her on it."Mother knows best......"

[Lucy]

You will seriously have to cover your eyes.
I know that if I saw those things I would be so traumatised.
I really think an exhibit like that is going beyond general interest - I think that it's cruel and in very very very bad taste.
If I was the "lucky" one at the phone I might tell Yoko that as well!!

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[Sgt. Pepper- 1st District]

well i wouldnt jump up and down at the sight of johns bloody glasses but i would look at them
ps i think id kinda like to talk to yoko. she is the devil and all but she changed the beatles music.

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[Tim]

It may seem tacky,but I feel it to be appropriate.
Similarly,here in Detroit(at Henry Ford Museum) is the actual car in which JFK died. I've never heard any Kennedy fanatics consider it sick to see the car.


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[Lucy]

Personally the thing that gets me is that there is actual blood involved. Is Kennedy's car splattered with his blood? If it was I'm sure some of his fans would have a thing or two to say about it. I don't know - maybe it is. It could just be me - I could just be odd thinking that there is something a little bit creepy about that.
I think that there must be more appropriate things to display than unwashed blood stained clothes.

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[BEATLEDORK]

that is so creepy. what if johns ghost comes and haunts the museum, forever walking rattling his chains and singing or killing people or something, i hear that stuff happens when you take dead peoples stuff.


ps scar tissue that i wish you saw sarcastic mister know it all close your eyes and i'll.....with the birds ill share this lonely view...

cool song stef!

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john lennon lives!!!
-joko ono

[Tim]

No,the blood had been cleaned off shortly after the assassination,by the FBI(for their poor investigation).


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[jami]

so then, has all of the stuff been painted to look like blood?

[beatlegirl]

I strongly dislike yoko,shes sick & twisted!http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/mad.gif

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[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beatlegirl:
I strongly dislike yoko,shes sick & twisted!http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/mad.gif

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She probably don't like you either!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/tongue.gif

Seriously,I do get upset by the incrtedible amount of bitterness and hatred aimed towards Yoko. I do not think Yoko is an evil being,and you must accept that John wanted her. By rejecting Yoko,IMO you reject JOHN!!
You can't have 1 without the other...
Drop all the Yoko the Evil Dragon Lady stuff already.




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[Litl Lennon]

that is all really scary,
is this what i think it is?? john's glasses from that horrible day in 1980?
i don't even want to thin about it! it makes me cry!!!!!
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tim is right about yoko
john loved her and we should accept the fact that without yoko he might have never been happy! with yoko john became a happy man...

-chey

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[This message has been edited by Litl Lennon (edited November 08, 2000 at 11:20 AM).]

[jami]

no, i disagree. john would have found happiness even w/out yoko. he might have been even happier. i think she's done a great job by maintaining his legacy but, i don't REALLY believe he was as happy as some would like to imagine. she was so controlling-but he obviously thought he needed some sort of control in life.he probably did but...i think life could have been little more normal for him w/out her.sorry...don't anyone be mad-it's just a "thought".

[jtal909]

Jami, I agree. She was the one for him at the time, but if she wasn't there, someone else would have been. She is a woman, not a savior. To hear Pete Shotton (John's bud) tell it, she was a control freak and tried to keep John to herself by alienating him from his friends.

[Litl Lennon]

i guess you guys are right
i was at a loss of thought and words, i didn't actually know what i was talkig about-
sorry

-chey

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[jami]

no chey, you have a right to your own opinion. that's what this forum is for. we all have different views on things.of course we do all agree on one thing...how much we love "our" beatleshttp://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif!

[beatlegirl]

Originally posted by Tim:

She probably don't like you either!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/tongue.gif

I dont care if she would like me or not im just saying,i think shes was in my opinion selfish & controlling!!http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/mad.gif



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[PennyLane]

I think that to exhibit the glasses and clothes that John died in is a clear violation of human decency. To display such a vivid depiction of the loss of a life is sick. These items are not ordinary entertaining celebrity possessions. These are the very garments that a human being took their last breath in. The insensitivity of the situation disgusts me.

[Tim]

Jon's glasses were on Yoko's Season of Glass LP sleeve in 1981,so I have seen photos of the glasses in the past. maybe in a way,this will,after 20 tears bring closure to all concerning John.
As I noted,I saw the actual car JFK was assassinated in,while it saddens me thinking of Camelot Ended,I don't feel it wrong that the car or John's clothes are on display,we must accept that neither John will be back.


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[Lucy]

Beautifully said, Penny. That is just how I feel!

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[jami]

me too, but i'm still going...and hopefully will enjoy!

[FPSHOT]

Let us know what you experienced.

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[jami]

will do,FPSHOT!

[Beatle Baby *14*]

I for one do not like yoko... she was controlling.

she reminds me of our building manger, Keron.!!
i mean not physically but they have certain qualitiies... they both have bad hair and atitudes.!!!!

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[bearkat77]

BB14, wouldn't you have a bad attitude if just about everyone kept harping on you for breaking up the Beatles? Think about it.

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[PennyLane]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim:
Jon's glasses were on Yoko's Season of Glass LP sleeve in 1981,so I have seen photos of the glasses in the past. maybe in a way,this will,after 20 tears bring closure to all concerning John.
As I noted,I saw the actual car JFK was assassinated in,while it saddens me thinking of Camelot Ended,I don't feel it wrong that the car or John's clothes are on display,we must accept that neither John will be back.


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Tim, that is a different circumstance entirely. For starters, the entire nation watched JFK's assassination. The blood was also cleaned out of the car. John Lennon, however, was murdered with few people around, and none of his garments have been cleaned.

[lennon-mccartney]

I think it captures a moment.
I imagine (apt word) that if we saw these glasses, we'd be very sad, it would trigger a lot of emotion. Maybe that's the message.
Is that so bad?
I think it's better than a statue.

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[Lucy]

But the thing is a lot of emotion can be triggered from other stuff - listening to John's music, hearing what he once said or even looking at pictures. The message in these things I think is a lot more pleasant and tasteful than looking at blood splattered items.
Each to their own I guess - maybe some people would like to see that stuff. I don't want to be too negative or narrow minded about it because I'm sure that some people would find such an exhibit interesting and moving. I, however, would rather look at other things and get emotional.

[Harbidge]

I've just read this article, and I think it's twisted that somebody actually defiled John's clothes by covering them with fake bloodstains. Was this for 'realism', or exploitation?

If Yoko did this, then I'm very disappointed at her for the simple reason that it's sick.

I'm sure there'd be a similar outrage if the knife that Mick Abram used to try and kill George with came up on auction.


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[jami]

I'm leaving today for the hall of fame! This should be exciting! When i get back i'll let everyone know how the lennon exhibit was.I'm a little sad though....they said no pictures allowedhttp://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif...i guess for security reasons.I'm off!

[FPSHOT]

No pictures allowed ? Oh well, leave them at home but take a camera with you.http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif

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[bearkat77]

Have a great trip, Jami. We want a full report when you return.

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[jami]

okay......oh..my..God!!!!! the lennon exhibit was the single most amazing thing that i have ever experienced! if you are a lennon lover as i am, you have to go. the exhibit had me go through every emotion possible...anger, happiness, sadness, you name it! clothes were there, artwork, report cards, guitars, piano, handwritten lyrics, his bed from the dakota, and yes...the blood stained glasses! the never opened bag of his belongings given to yoko from the police was there also. i know a lot of you have really mixed emotions about all that....i did too! i really had a hard time walking up to it. i had to! i really did! something made me do it! it made me really teary eyed-but it was something i needed to see. anyway, it was incredible! so many things were there that i haven't even mentioned. we were there before the hall opened so my husband could broadcast his radio show from there....so it was really quiet. i walked up to the last floor of the exhibit by myself. it was the lyric room....very eerie...i know his spirit was up there with me!http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/shocked.gif i swear it was! so, it is something that will stay with me forever. please try and go! for those of you who live in england, or anywhere near...it's going to london in september 2001. there's more to know, so just ask away!

[Jeni]

It's incredible that you had such a wonderful oppurtunity to go.. I will have schedule summer vaycay Cleveland.

About the glasses... in the top 100 rolling stone issue they have lots of articles about beatle related stuff.. anyway there is an article about there are billboards being put up in some cities with a pic of John's glasses and the statistic of people shot and killed from handguns since his death.. it was very powerful.



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[Jeni]

It's incredible that you had such a wonderful oppurtunity to go.. I will have schedule summer vaycay Cleveland.

About the glasses... in the top 100 rolling stone issue they have lots of articles about beatle related stuff.. anyway there is an article about there are billboards being put up in some cities with a pic of John's glasses and the statistic of people shot and killed from handguns since his death.. it was very powerful.



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[jami]

i know...i heard about that too!

[Litl Lennon]

you are soooooo lucky you got to go!


i wish it would come here to washington state!!!!!

-chey lennon


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[litlringo]

I think that's sick and wrong that they put his blood splatered glasses there. That's just so sad. You're lucky you got to go there though. I would like to go someday...



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[jami]

It was a little creepy seeing the glasses. I wasn't going to look, but I HAD to. It was uncontrollable!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[jtal909]

If I was there I would have to look. Having read the book.

[Lucy]

I'd have to do the same. Despite all the bad-mouthing I have done about the exhibit, I don't think I could resist taking a look.

[FPSHOT]

There is a picture of the billboard and the glasses
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1060000/1060306.stm

and an additional article.

Look also at the link about Neil Harrison's tribute band.



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[Original Fan]

Thanks for your review, Jami. I doubt I'll ever get to make the trip to Cleveland, so I appreciate a first-hand report like yours. If I ever did go, I know I'd be an emotional wreck at the sight of John's personal effects. It would be overwhelming.

[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jami:
It was a little creepy seeing the glasses. I wasn't going to look, but I HAD to. It was uncontrollable!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why is everybody FREAKED OUT over them?
Fer crissake they were on Yoko's "Season Of Glass" LP sleeve in 1982!!
Nothing new there.



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[bearkat77]

Tim, seeing a picture of them and eyewitnessing them first-hand are two entirely different things. Some people see a picture as just that, a picture. Others read into the picture for the story.
To see something first-hand, your memory is jogged by the events that are associated with it. Remember, it's not just a pair of glasses.

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[jami]

Couldn't have said it better myself, Kat. Seeing them in person was very different. It made me really sad...it's closure for some people.

[jami]

No problem, Glen...anytime!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

jami : Thanks for the review and sharing the "Feeling".

GV

[litlringo]

I saw that picture, and I almost burst into tears! It was sooo scary and sad. It was so touching! Our poor baby John!...Dead. Life is sooo sad. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cry.gif

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Clearly everyone's got their own opinion... I do think, however, that a lot of people who go to the display and who are against his glasses/clothes being showed, will still 'look' at them. It's like passing a car accident, you might be sickened by it, but you'll still look. Everyone's a voyeur, whether they think they are or not. The shock-value of seeing something like that would just hit you before you even had a chance to think, it's intriguing. Recently we had a murder here where the blooded body was shown on the front cover of the local paper. Whether or not this was against ethical and moral journalistic standards could be argued til the cows come home. There was such a public outcry over this unlike anything ever before. The thing was, that paper sold more copies than any preceeding it... a lot of people bought two, even three copies. It's the 'shock' factor once again - it sells, and draws people.

[georgefan]

I personally found the picture of the glasses very disturbing...I am well aware of the fact that John is gone and has been, but I really didn't need the visual to remind me of the horrible way he died.

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[jtal909]

That's Yoko's brand of "art"!

[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:
That's Yoko's brand of "art"!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is no different than going to Washington and seeing the bed Lincoln died in,or to Chicago to see the chair Lincoln was shot in at Ford's theatre,or here in Detroit(cleaned up) the car JFK was killed in.
is it in bad taste? No more than sya Guernica by Picasso,which depicts one of the most horrible battles of the Spanish Civil War.
I don't find John's glasses as horrid as say the Confederate Flag(a symbol of racism as much as a Nazi flag).I find it in better taste than some of the Skinhead art I see glorifing Hitler.
What I'm saying is it drives home the madness of gun violence and the absurdity of the 18th century archaicness of the right to bear arms.




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[jami]

Tim....I agree! I think this was Yoko's intent in the first place......to get the message out about gun violence. Yes, her message was quite shocking!!....but hey! It's got all of us thinking about how tragic things can be when handguns are involved.

[jtal909]

I don't think she intended a message about gun violence, but just likes the shock and realism aspect of it.

[jami]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:
I don't think she intended a message about gun violence, but just likes the shock and realism aspect of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In fact...you are wrong about that. I've read several articles about her being very involved in the fight against gun violence. Sure, she enjoys the shock value too....that's just part of her art.