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Hari's Chick
Aug 14, 2010, 05:24 PM
http://www.swtimes.com/features/article_b60b46d8-a6dd-11df-b4e4-001cc4c03286.html

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In the Petty documentary, the "Damn the Torpedoes" LP is almost dissected by Petty, the band, producer Jimmy Iovine and studio engineer Shelly Yackus. Released in 1979, the album spawned some of Petty's biggest - and greatest - tracks in the form of "Refugee," "Here Comes My Girl," "Don't Do Me Like That," "Even the Losers," "Shadow of a Doubt (Complex Kid)" and "Louisiana Rain," and the viewer can enjoy portions of the song when Petty randomly isolates a bass track, guitar lines, drum patterns and lead, harmony and guide vocals at the soundboard.

The stories behind the songs are even more interesting on the DVD, which might be the best in the "Classic Album" series so far. Petty and lead guitarist Mike Campbell talk about how the red Rickenbacker guitar featured on the album's cover has an almost-unknown connection to the late George Harrison, and how the outspoken Iovine often locked horns with equally strong-willed drummer Stan Lynch.

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What was the unknown connection to George? I searched a little and think I found it here...
http://www.vintageguitar.com/features/brands/details.asp?AID=1132

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Three 12-string prototypes were made in '63; two 360/12s and one 625/12 (a solidbody). An inventory sheet mentioned a backordered 360F/12 (which would have had a single cutaway), but there is no evidence the factory made it. The company displayed the first 360/12 at the '63 summer trade shows. It had gold-backed Lucite pickguards, TV-style control knobs, and a double-bound Fireglo body. The flat tailpiece resembled those used on other non-vibrato Capri models. Triangle fingerboard inlays and a non-bound slash-shaped soundhole rounded out the design. Like all of the 360 Deluxe models made after June 1960, the 12-string versions normally had Rick-O-Sound stereo. The first prototype soon went to Suzi Arden, a country/western lounge singer who worked in Las Vegas.

The second 360/12 also sported a double-bound body with a Fireglo finish, a slash sound hole, triangle inlays, and a flat tailpiece. But while Arden's guitar had conventional stringing, by the end of '63, Hall had devised a novel way to make his 12-string play easier and sound even more distinctive; he intentionally reversed the traditional string setup. The 12th string became the low E and the 11th string became the octave, etc. Strumming down, the lower-pitch string was hit before its octave counterpart. Since the second prototype was the first with trademark stringing, Hall always called it the first Rickenbacker 12-string. Besides using the reverse stringing, the factory substituted double-white pickguards and black control knobs for the earlier style Lucite guards and TV knobs. This guitar went to George Harrison in February '64.

Rounding out the saga of '63 prototypes, the first 625/12 traveled to a few trade shows (but no further) during this decade. Rickenbacker would produce a more economical solidbody 450/12 instead. Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers bought the original 625/12, used, for $125 in the '70s, when reading the classifieds paid off. At the time, he had no idea what he'd found. Petty held the guitar on the cover of Damn the Torpedoes, which sparked a 12-string revival of sorts and pushed the 625/12 into production.

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Pretty cool!

CWW
Aug 14, 2010, 10:25 PM
So out of the 3 original 12 strings, one went to George (quite well known) and a 2nd eventually ended up with Mike Campbell?!

That is so cool..did George hold onto his? i think i saw a 12 string hanging in Friar Park..Mike presumably still has his?

hibgal
Aug 14, 2010, 11:30 PM
If I read this correctly then Tom owns George's Rick. I might be wrong though.

Hari's Chick
Aug 15, 2010, 12:51 AM
LOL! The way I read it was... one 360/12 went to Suzi Arden. The second 360/12 was modified and that was (is) George's. Then the final prototype was the solidbody 625/12 which went to Mike Campbell! I may be misreading, though! :laugh5:

CWW
Aug 15, 2010, 01:40 AM
LOL! The way I read it was... one 360/12 went to Suzi Arden. The second 360/12 was modified and that was (is) George's. Then the final prototype was the solidbody 625/12 which went to Mike Campbell! I may be misreading, though! :laugh5:

Nope your right, i was just checkin..:laugh5:

yea, so 2 outta the 3 went to Mike and GH!! Who woulda thought? Mike's story is quite remarkable..what luck!!

CWW
Aug 15, 2010, 01:42 AM
Very coincidental though, considering Mike and George got to know and play with each other so much..When Clapton was unavailable to play the Albert Hall, George called in Mike C... Mike would later return to play at The Concert for George for him there and they were great friends..

And who could forget Hari loaning "rocky" for the i wont back down video.. It was a loan right?

FPSHOT
Aug 16, 2010, 11:44 AM
It's a bit like the story of this guitar type of which there were only two, one with George and one with Jimi Hendrix.

Hari's Chick
Aug 16, 2010, 11:44 AM
Nope your right, i was just checkin..:laugh5:



:laugh5::laugh5::laugh5:


Very coincidental though, considering Mike and George got to know and play with each other so much..When Clapton was unavailable to play the Albert Hall, George called in Mike C... Mike would later return to play at The Concert for George for him there and they were great friends..

And who could forget Hari loaning "rocky" for the i wont back down video.. It was a loan right?

I remember an old thread where this was wondered, too. El Gos Coix remembered seeing it at Concert for George. He was kind enough to include a pic. I think it is still in the Harrison family for sure! :smile1:

http://www.beatlelinks.net/forums/showthread.php?p=732984

CWW
Aug 17, 2010, 04:25 AM
I think so too..but then again, if it was 'gifted' to Mike C all those years ago he could have easilly brought it along to the Concert for George, but odds are its still in the family :)

I'd say George turned up at the "I Wont back down" shoot with a guitar, and Mike C marvelled at it, George was probably intending to play it in the video, but was kind enough to let Mike have Rocky for a bit..you notice Mike also uses a big red full bodied guitar (his) aswell and Rocky is just used in the 'slide solo' (very George) from memory..because it was so personally decorated, hand painted by George himself and with OM's etc i doubt George would part with it easy..


As for Hendrix and George, well this is about the 12 string Rickenbacker..A much more important guitar which George singlehandedly popularised an 'entire sound' with. Considering George used it so much from 64-66 at least, that whole jangly 12 string sound would basically start the whole 'California Sound' of the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, and later Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, REM, Pretenders, and countless others.. Even songs like blue oyster cult's dont fear the reaper for instance!!

The guitar was also evidentally very important to George, who gave away alot of guitars..i spotted one at least (probabaly THE original?) hanging on the walls of Friar Park. This is the guy that gave away his 'little black gretsch' from the hamburg/cavern days to Klaus Voormann..

It has monumental importance to musical history.. i mean just that opening Hard Day's Night chord alone....

Lennon of course was also basically never seen without his famous black and white (6 string) Rickenbacker from the early 60's-late 65... I call them the Rickenbacker twins :laugh5:

Hari's Chick
Aug 18, 2010, 01:33 PM
I'd say George turned up at the "I Wont back down" shoot with a guitar, and Mike C marvelled at it, George was probably intending to play it in the video, but was kind enough to let Mike have Rocky for a bit..you notice Mike also uses a big red full bodied guitar (his) aswell and Rocky is just used in the 'slide solo' (very George) from memory..because it was so personally decorated, hand painted by George himself and with OM's etc i doubt George would part with it easy.

I think so, too...

As for Hendrix and George, well this is about the 12 string Rickenbacker..A much more important guitar which George singlehandedly popularised an 'entire sound' with. Considering George used it so much from 64-66 at least, that whole jangly 12 string sound would basically start the whole 'California Sound' of the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, and later Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, REM, Pretenders, and countless others.. Even songs like blue oyster cult's dont fear the reaper for instance!!

Pretty amazing!! Yay, George!!! :clap3:

This is the guy that gave away his 'little black gretsch' from the hamburg/cavern days to Klaus Voormann..

:smile1: And his Rickenbacker 425 to George Peckham from the Fourmost!

It has monumental importance to musical history.. i mean just that opening Hard Day's Night chord alone....

Lennon of course was also basically never seen without his famous black and white (6 string) Rickenbacker from the early 60's-late 65... I call them the Rickenbacker twins :laugh5:

:laugh5::laugh5:

Hari's Chick
Aug 22, 2010, 09:19 PM
http://www.straight.com/article-337943/vancouver/tom-petty-and-heartbreakers-get-classic-albums-treatment

"Mike is the quietest guitar god since George Harrison," says the critic. "No one's as good as George Harrison, with all due respect, but I think it's significant that Tom's closest relationships with guitar players are with George Harrison [via the Traveling Wilburys] and Mike Campbell, two men who serve the song, and never overplay."

Hari's Chick
Aug 22, 2010, 10:02 PM
Here's George's 360/12 :smile1:

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/harrison_files/george64.jpg

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/harrison_files/georgerick1.jpg

CWW
Aug 23, 2010, 04:48 PM
http://www.straight.com/article-337943/vancouver/tom-petty-and-heartbreakers-get-classic-albums-treatment

"Mike is the quietest guitar god since George Harrison," says the critic. "No one's as good as George Harrison, with all due respect, but I think it's significant that Tom's closest relationships with guitar players are with George Harrison [via the Traveling Wilburys] and Mike Campbell, two men who serve the song, and never overplay."

That is great HC, i couldnt agree more strongly with what that guy said!!

such a rarity in music too..where the notion of lead guitar players is usually ego and to show off and overplay

CWW
Aug 23, 2010, 04:50 PM
Here's George's 360/12 :smile1:

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/harrison_files/george64.jpg

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/harrison_files/georgerick1.jpg

LOL the 1987 pic of him with the 12 string is adorable..hes like holding onto it protectively and the look on his face.."shes mine..first in the world and you cant even have a play!!" LOL! :laugh5::laugh5

CWW
Aug 23, 2010, 04:51 PM
or..."I'm sorry, did you just ask if you hold the guitar???"

"Eric i told you, Not this one..any of the others on the wall!!

LOL!!

Hari's Chick
Aug 24, 2010, 12:36 AM
:laugh5::laugh5:

The New AimeeAndBeatles
Aug 24, 2010, 06:26 AM
Very coincidental though, considering Mike and George got to know and play with each other so much..When Clapton was unavailable to play the Albert Hall, George called in Mike C... Mike would later return to play at The Concert for George for him there and they were great friends..

Thats where Mike Campbell met Steve Ferrone, who would end up replacing Stan Lynch for the drums.

Also, a little off-topic, both Benmont Tench and Stan Lynch appear on this album. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Takes_Time) And you wouldnt believe how many times the Beatles are mentioned in a TPATH article. big influences there.