PDA

View Full Version : US Gulf Oil Spill!!!


beatlelover45223
May 01, 2010, 06:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100502/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

VENICE, La. – A sense of doom settled over the American coastline from Louisiana to Florida on Saturday as a massive oil slick spewing from a ruptured well kept growing, and experts warned that an uncontrolled gusher could create a nightmare scenario if the Gulf Stream carries it toward the Atlantic.
President Barack Obama planned to visit the region Sunday to assess the situation amid growing criticism that the government and oil company BP PLC should have done more to stave off the disaster. Meanwhile, efforts to stem the flow and remove oil from the surface by skimming it, burning it or spiking it with chemicals to disperse it continued with little success.
"These people, we've been beaten down, disaster after disaster," said Matt O'Brien of Venice, whose fledgling wholesale shrimp dock business is under threat from the spill.
"They've all got a long stare in their eye," he said. "They come asking me what I think's going to happen. I ain't got no answers for them. I ain't got no answers for my investors. I ain't got no answers."
He wasn't alone. As the spill surged toward disastrous proportions, critical questions lingered: Who created the conditions that caused the gusher? Did BP and the government react robustly enough in its early days? And, most important, how can it be stopped before the damage gets worse?
The Coast Guard conceded Saturday that it's nearly impossible to know how much oil has gushed since the April 20 rig explosion, after saying earlier it was at least 1.6 million gallons — equivalent to about 2 1/2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The blast killed 11 workers and threatened beaches, fragile marshes and marine mammals, along with fishing grounds that are among the world's most productive.
Even at that rate, the spill should eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident as the worst U.S. oil disaster in history in a matter of weeks. But a growing number of experts warned that the situation may already be much worse.
The oil slick over the water's surface appeared to triple in size over the past two days, which could indicate an increase in the rate that oil is spewing from the well, according to one analysis of images collected from satellites and reviewed by the University of Miami. While it's hard to judge the volume of oil by satellite because of depth, it does show an indication of change in growth, experts said.
"The spill and the spreading is getting so much faster and expanding much quicker than they estimated," said Hans Graber, executive director of the university's Center for Southeastern Tropical Advanced Remote Sensing. "Clearly, in the last couple of days, there was a big change in the size."
Doug Suttles, BP's chief operating officer for exploration and production, said it was impossible to know just how much oil was gushing from the well, but said the company and federal officials were preparing for the worst-case scenario.
In an exploration plan and environmental impact analysis filed with the federal government in February 2009, BP said it had the capability to handle a "worst-case scenario" at the Deepwater Horizon site, which the document described as a leak of 162,000 barrels per day from an uncontrolled blowout — 6.8 million gallons each day.
Oil industry experts and officials are reluctant to describe what, exactly, a worst-case scenario would look like — but if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and carries it to the beaches of Florida, it stands to be an environmental and economic disaster of epic proportions.
The Deepwater Horizon well is at the end of one branch of the Gulf Stream, the famed warm-water current that flows from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic. Several experts said that if the oil enters the stream, it would flow around the southern tip of Florida and up the eastern seaboard.
"It will be on the East Coast of Florida in almost no time," Graber said. "I don't think we can prevent that. It's more of a question of when rather than if."
At the joint command center run by the government and BP near New Orleans, a Coast Guard spokesman maintained Saturday that the leakage remained around 5,000 barrels, or 200,000 gallons, per day.
But Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, appointed Saturday by Obama to lead the government's oil spill response, said no one could pinpoint how much oil is leaking from the ruptured well because it is about a mile underwater.
"And, in fact, any exact estimation of what's flowing out of those pipes down there is probably impossible at this time due to the depth of the water and our ability to try and assess that from remotely operated vehicles and video," Allen said during a conference call.

The Coast Guard's Allen said Saturday that a test of new technology used to reduce the amount of oil rising to the surface seemed to be successful.
During the test Friday, an underwater robot shot a chemical meant to break down the oil at the site of the leak rather than spraying it on the surface from boats or planes, where the compound can miss the oil slick.
From land, the scope of the crisis was difficult to see. As of Saturday afternoon, only a light sheen of oil had washed ashore in some places.
The real threat lurked offshore in a swelling, churning slick of dense, rust-colored oil the size of Puerto Rico. From the endless salt marshes of Louisiana to the white-sand beaches of Florida, there is uncertainty and frustration over how the crisis got to this point and what will unfold in the coming days, weeks and months.
The concerns are both environmental and economic. The fishing industry is worried that marine life will die — and that no one will want to buy products from contaminated water anyway. Tourism officials are worried that vacationers won't want to visit oil-tainted beaches. And environmentalists are worried about how the oil will affect the countless birds, coral and mammals in and near the Gulf.
"We know they are out there" said Meghan Calhoun, a spokeswoman from the Audubon Aquarium of the Americas in New Orleans. "Unfortunately the weather has been too bad for the Coast Guard and NOAA to get out there and look for animals for us."
Fishermen and boaters want to help contain the oil. But on Saturday, they were again hampered by high winds and rough waves that splashed over the miles of orange and yellow inflatable booms strung along the coast, rendering them largely ineffective. Some coastal Louisiana residents complained that BP, which owns the rig, was hampering mitigation efforts.
"I don't know what they are waiting on," said 57-year-old Raymond Schmitt, in Venice preparing his boat to take a French television crew on a tour. He didn't think conditions were dangerous. "No, I'm not happy with the protection, but I'm sure the oil company is saving money."
As bad as the oil spill looks on the surface, it may be only half the problem, said University of California Berkeley engineering professor Robert Bea, who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety.
"There's an equal amount that could be subsurface too," said Bea. And that oil below the surface "is damn near impossible to track."
Louisiana State University professor Ed Overton, who heads a federal chemical hazard assessment team for oil spills, worries about a total collapse of the pipe inserted into the well. If that happens, there would be no warning and the resulting gusher could be even more devastating because regulating flow would then be impossible.
"When these things go, they go KABOOM," he said. "If this thing does collapse, we've got a big, big blow."
BP has not said how much oil is beneath the Gulf seabed Deepwater Horizon was tapping, but a company official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the volume of reserves, confirmed reports that it was tens of millions of barrels — a frightening prospect to many.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said that he has asked both BP and the Coast Guard for detailed plans on how to protect the coast.
"We still haven't gotten those plans," said Jindal. "We're going to fully demand that BP pay for the cleanup activities. We're confident that at the end of the day BP will cover those costs."
Obama has halted any new offshore drilling projects unless rigs have new safeguards to prevent another disaster.
As if to cut off mounting criticism, on Saturday White House spokesman Robert Gibbs posted a blog entitled "The Response to the Oil Spill," laying out the administration's day-by-day response since the explosion, using words like "immediately" and "quickly," and emphasizing that Obama "early on" directed responding agencies to devote every resource to the incident and determining its cause.
In Pass Christian, Miss., 61-year-old Jimmy Rowell, a third-generation shrimp and oyster fisherman, worked on his boat at the harbor and stared out at the choppy waters.
"It's over for us. If this oil comes ashore, it's just over for us," Rowell said angrily, rubbing his forehead. "Nobody wants no oily shrimp."
___ Borenstein reported from Washington; Associated Press writers Tamara Lush, Brian Skoloff, Melissa Nelson, Mary Foster, Michael Kunzelman, Chris Kahn, Vicki Smith, Janet McConnaughey, Alan Sayre and AP Photographer Dave Martin contributed.

DizzymissLizzy909
May 01, 2010, 06:28 PM
I really do feel for the people living down south there. They've been battered with one natural disaster after another... and now this. :( I'm sure they're beyond frustrated.
In terms of the environmental impact, I can't even begin to imagine... I cringe every time I think about the tons and tons of oil splashing onto the shore.

62hofner
May 01, 2010, 06:41 PM
Such a ecological tragedy! Maybe one of these days, we'll learn our lesson that we CAN'T be enslaved to oil forever.

If it's not some sick codependent relationship with a middle eastern nation, it's an eco-disaster like this.

I saw an all-electric Mini Cooper in the grocery store lot a short while ago. If that car should go into mass production, I am so there!

bobdude
May 01, 2010, 08:18 PM
What a horrible, horrible disaster. The repercussions of this will be felt for a long, long time! We as a nation should be completely pissed off.

beatlelover45223
May 02, 2010, 08:47 PM
I heard today President Obama let BP know they are paying the tab for clean-up, how could this equal the toll it will take on the ecosystem, tourism, fishing industry, it could even end up in the Florida Keys which has the world's third largest coral reef barrier :rolleyes:

mluque125
May 03, 2010, 07:25 PM
WOW. I don't even know what to say, just wow.

bobdude
May 03, 2010, 08:13 PM
BP shouldn't have any problem pickling up this tab after their 6 billion dollar first quarter profit! Greedy bastards.

darkhorse23
May 03, 2010, 08:16 PM
Such a ecological tragedy! Maybe one of these days, we'll learn our lesson that we CAN'T be enslaved to oil forever.


Maybe...but unfortunately probably not.

beatlelover45223
May 03, 2010, 08:32 PM
BP shouldn't have any problem pickling up this tab after their 6 billion dollar first quarter profit! Greedy bastards.

Ultimately, we the consumer will pick up the tag, notice the price of gas is going up since all this happened????

bobdude
May 03, 2010, 10:35 PM
Yes, I've noticed, Unfortunately it won't just be gas prices that rise. Expect to pay more for a lot of things. It just so maddening.

FPSHOT
May 03, 2010, 10:36 PM
I am surprised and at the same time am not, how so many people talk about the money, whereas every minute life ends there in the water, biological life and apart from the clean-up money there is also the loss of income of so many people due to this disaster.

bobdude
May 03, 2010, 10:41 PM
You're absolutely right SHOT! I vaguely referenced it in my first post about the repercussions. It's a lot more than just the amount of money and dependence on oil. There will be a tremendous amount of habitat destroyed. Just sad is what it is.

FPSHOT
May 03, 2010, 10:48 PM
Yes Dude, the micro-organics in the water which is the source of life there is now under severe attack which has a huge impact on organic life

beatlelover45223
May 04, 2010, 08:40 PM
I am surprised and at the same time am not, how so many people talk about the money, whereas every minute life ends there in the water, biological life and apart from the clean-up money there is also the loss of income of so many people due to this disaster.

I did, read post #5.....

mluque125
May 07, 2010, 05:01 PM
https://secure.defenders.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=1765&s_src=3WDW10071TXXX&s_subsrc=actionlink

twovirgins
May 08, 2010, 12:48 PM
what upsets me the most is it looks as tho they(BP oil and whomever involved) had no plan of action if something bad happened.
So they never thought something might go wrong????????? are they really that stupid or do they just DONT CARE??
"Oh well if something goes wrong then mabie we can work on fixing it !!"
this is the deepest anyone has ever tried to drill (suck oil out of the sand actually)
and it looks like they had ZERO worries about the ocean and ocean life and went for the big dollar sign,,,,Greed at all costs... every min hour and day this will get worse and worse and take many decades to recover...to quote a line from a Jello Biafra poem
"Die for oil suckers ...suckers .....suckers."
How many wars will America fight to keep oil in the mix?
Why after 100 years of industialization have we not embraced alternative fuel sorces?
Solar
Wind
Hemp or bio fuels

Oil is not the answer anymore and big greedy oil companies who make Billions in profits need
to stop destroying the Mother Earth for short term greed.
/end rant

beatlelover45223
May 10, 2010, 06:41 PM
Well the 4 story behemouth B/P wanted to try iced up and floated back upwards as scientists had told B/P :rolleyes:, now B/P wants to plug the leak, won't that back up the oil and cause it to explode, something has to be pushing the oil to the surface, I'm just saying, what do I know, just using logic.

twovirgins
May 21, 2010, 11:42 AM
still not fixed one month later

Beatle4
May 26, 2010, 08:19 AM
Here is a live link to the oil spewing out of the pipe in the ocean.

CLICK HERE TO VIEW (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html)

beatlelover45223
May 29, 2010, 08:03 PM
:afraid2: top fill didn't work, what are we at plan F?

george_on_cloud9
Jun 01, 2010, 08:57 PM
The oil spill... It's so HORRIBLE!!! :cry2:

darkhorse23
Jun 01, 2010, 09:52 PM
Not to worry everyone, it is estimated that all of the oil will stop spewing into the Gulf ....hmmmm......sometime in August.

george_on_cloud9
Jun 01, 2010, 09:58 PM
That Easyyyyy??? It's too late! All Ruin!!!

darkhorse23
Jun 01, 2010, 10:48 PM
Not to worry everyone, it is estimated that all of the oil will stop spewing into the Gulf ....hmmmm......sometime in August.

That was sarcasm for those who didn't pick up on it.

george_on_cloud9
Jun 01, 2010, 10:50 PM
What do you mean? The sea is so polluted now! Can it be solved?

mluque125
Jun 02, 2010, 06:57 AM
what upsets me the most is it looks as tho they(BP oil and whomever involved) had no plan of action if something bad happened.
So they never thought something might go wrong????????? are they really that stupid or do they just DONT CARE??
"Oh well if something goes wrong then mabie we can work on fixing it !!"
this is the deepest anyone has ever tried to drill (suck oil out of the sand actually)
and it looks like they had ZERO worries about the ocean and ocean life and went for the big dollar sign,,,,Greed at all costs... every min hour and day this will get worse and worse and take many decades to recover...to quote a line from a Jello Biafra poem
"Die for oil suckers ...suckers .....suckers."
How many wars will America fight to keep oil in the mix?
Why after 100 years of industialization have we not embraced alternative fuel sorces?
Solar
Wind
Hemp or bio fuels

Oil is not the answer anymore and big greedy oil companies who make Billions in profits need
to stop destroying the Mother Earth for short term greed.
/end rant
Amen

VersusBatman
Jun 02, 2010, 07:09 AM
Not to worry everyone, it is estimated that all of the oil will stop spewing into the Gulf ....hmmmm......sometime in August.
Well that's just great...

Hopefully all the plants and animals can hold their breath until then.

twovirgins
Jun 04, 2010, 11:29 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/Mslaerik/31862_124799400885806_1201708780153.jpg

PepperlandFrog
Jun 04, 2010, 12:56 PM
and the devastation continues. this is going to cause unbelievable destruction of sensitive underwater habitat in the gulf region, ecosystem disruption and loss of habitat. evidently the gulf of mexico is home to spectacular coral reef forests. i don't think you can put a price tag on this type of man-made destruction and ecological disaster.

How Much Oil Has Leaked Into the Gulf of Mexico? calculator (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/how-much-oil-has-spilled-in-the-gulf-of-mexico.html)

XLiqvZOP8TY

beatlelover45223
Jun 04, 2010, 09:14 PM
The coral reefs in the Key West area of Florida are the 3rd largest in the world!!!
:cry1:

darkhorse23
Jun 09, 2010, 07:47 AM
....day 51

PepperlandFrog
Jun 09, 2010, 08:29 AM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2827/oilplanktoneffect.jpg

FPSHOT
Jun 09, 2010, 08:56 AM
Good and interesting post mister Frog.

I really wonder how this will develop.

darkhorse23
Jun 09, 2010, 09:30 AM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2827/oilplanktoneffect.jpg

Very informative

Legs
Jun 09, 2010, 12:21 PM
Such a disaster... They should have had a plan of action ready in case things go wrong. I just hope the Norwegian goverments has learned a lession and doesn't decide to sear for oil in the Arctic.

beatlelover45223
Jun 09, 2010, 08:32 PM
Goodness, by the time they contain this leak it will be up the east coast of the US and heading over the great pond! :angry1:

darkhorse23
Jun 10, 2010, 01:16 AM
day 52, and Obama is looking to "kick some ass.":angry1:

beatlelover45223
Jun 10, 2010, 08:19 PM
Well since we/government do not have the resources that the oil companies do, there is not too much Obama can do but proceed from what he is being told by his advisor's(poor president Obama, criticized for being calm, then criticized for saying he is going to kick butt).... Sure hope BP does not go bankrupt before they can get this thing capped, bet no one that has lost their livelihood will see a dime, bet BP is broke by that time :afraid2:

darkhorse23
Jun 13, 2010, 10:01 AM
Day 54...

Has the commander in chief spoken to BP yet? NO! That is unbelievable. I hear they're going to talk this week. I guess that's better than waiting another 54 days.

62hofner
Jun 13, 2010, 11:00 AM
This disaster will have far-reaching effects.... the likes that we can't even begin to imagine at the moment. I mean, 20 years later, and the Exxon Valdez is not 100% dealt with yet!

As for "who's to blame", there is plenty of blame to go 'round. BP is to blame for alleged multiple safety infractions over the years, and for not having a plan in-place for such an "accident"..... The U.S Gov. is to blame for allowing off-shore drilling in the first place....

someplace dude
Jun 13, 2010, 11:57 AM
To put a bit of a positive note in this sad ordeal, some communities around that area are helping clean up the oil. At least people are doing something, even though it's not the people responsible for it.

darkhorse23
Jun 13, 2010, 01:00 PM
This disaster will have far-reaching effects.... the likes that we can't even begin to imagine at the moment. I mean, 20 years later, and the Exxon Valdez is not 100% dealt with yet!

As for "who's to blame", there is plenty of blame to go 'round. BP is to blame for alleged multiple safety infractions over the years, and for not having a plan in-place for such an "accident"

Agreed.


The U.S Gov. is to blame for allowing off-shore drilling in the first place....

Unfortunately, off shore drilling is a necessary evil until we (the US) get serious about conservation and alternative energy sources.

twovirgins
Jun 13, 2010, 01:24 PM
Mabie Im weird but, if I was president I would have the national gaurd the coast gaurd the navy and the army there in full force to clean it up and try to fix it ...I really dont understand why this isnt being done...does BP have more power than our own Govt??
Why isnt our so called "homeland security" doing anything isnt this a threat to the states or am I missing something ?

twovirgins
Jun 13, 2010, 01:27 PM
Oh yeah our military is to bogged down and busy gaurding oil feilds in Iraq and poppy feilds in Afghanistan

62hofner
Jun 13, 2010, 02:30 PM
Unfortunately, off shore drilling is a necessary evil until we (the US) get serious about conservation and alternative energy sources.

I can't say I 100% agree that it's a necessary evil. I mean, what does it get us in the end? Not enough crude to be a major oil exporter, and not enough for a huge national "reserve".

I do agree 100% that we need to be - need to have been for a long time - thinking in terms of alternative energy.

What's done is done, though. Hopefully, lessons have been learned. Many more of these eco-disasters, and we're @#%*'d.

darkhorse23
Jun 13, 2010, 02:43 PM
Oh yeah our military is to bogged down and busy gaurding oil feilds in Iraq and poppy feilds in Afghanistan

I know our military isn't too busy protecting OUR border that's for sure.

beatlelover45223
Jun 13, 2010, 08:23 PM
Day 54...

Has the commander in chief spoken to BP yet? NO! That is unbelievable. I hear they're going to talk this week. I guess that's better than waiting another 54 days.

Oh, I am sure they have talked, now it will be up close and personal!!!!

darkhorse23
Jun 13, 2010, 08:39 PM
Oh, I am sure they have talked, now it will be up close and personal!!!!

Obama just said a few days ago that he has NOT spoken with BP.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/obama-takes-aim-bp-ceo-tony-hayward/story?id=10853212

http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Obama.BP.spill.2.1741615.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/06/09/why-wont-obama-meet-with-the-ceo-of-bp/

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2010/06/10/gibbs-lame-excuse-on-not-talking-with-bp/

beatlelover45223
Jun 13, 2010, 08:51 PM
ok, darkhorse, cool your jets... so Obama's people talked to BP's people then, now it will be up close and personal..... I cannot imagine how many directions the president of the USA is tugged in :cross2:

darkhorse23
Jun 13, 2010, 08:55 PM
ok, darkhorse, cool your jets... so Obama's people talked to BP's people then, now it will be up close and personal..... I cannot imagine how many directions the president of the USA is tugged in :cross2:

Yeah, I guess you're right. Why should he bother with this with all of the other problems with which he's dealing?

beatlelover45223
Jun 13, 2010, 11:01 PM
I never implied the president should not deal with any of our country or any other international goings on, I would like to have seen the president be brought to a really dirty area in the gulf instead of the few little tar balls he was shown on a beach recently, I would love to have seen him get on a boat to go look at oil in the sea, or get in line and get dirty cleaning up a bird (security comes first unfortunately, so it looks impersonal), I also realize the gulf spill is one of many many issues our president is dealing with, each step he takes he meets criticism left and right....

darkhorse23
Jul 02, 2010, 10:36 PM
Day 74.....little (nothing) has changed.

Beatle4
Jul 15, 2010, 07:02 PM
-----CAPPED----- Finally.

beatlelover45223
Jul 15, 2010, 08:37 PM
Let us all say a little prayer that the plug holds till the relief wells are complete, also that they are able to salvage the gulf from the oil.....

Beatle4
Jul 15, 2010, 09:42 PM
Let us all say a little prayer that the plug holds till the relief wells are complete, also that they are able to salvage the gulf from the oil.....

Amen