Idea for a new Beatles track

[Doctor Kite]

Not sure if this is possible but it could be a good challenge for the more musically/technically minded out there.

Basically why not merge George Harrisons All things must pass with Paul's concert cover (i know there different lengths but something in the way of a duet could be cool). I think overlaying Paul's version on the anthology 3 version (rather than the ATMP album version) would work best (or if george did it live then just overlaying the two live versions).

Don't think it would work for Something, but if paul does some other covers in his concert tours to come then someone could make a pretty good "Beatles" live disc!

[onosideboards]

i'm sorry to keep advertising other beatles community sites, but i would STRONGLY suggest that you join a new yahoo group called Beatles Remixers.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeatlesRemixers/?yguid=142783451

i think it's an interesting idea, and certainly not beyond reach.

[Edmund]

Hey Kite: What would be the point of doing this?

[Legs]

If you enjoy such a thing then by all means do it.

I'm not sure what to do with this topic it's a bit removed from what I have in mind when talking about bootlegs, outtakes and such.I'll just leave it here then.

[ Jun 09, 2003, 02:59 PM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

[Paolo Meccano]

Not sure if this is possible but it could be a good challenge for the more musically/technically minded out there.

Basically why not merge George Harrisons All things must pass with Paul's concert cover (i know there different lengths but something in the way of a duet could be cool). I think overlaying Paul's version on the anthology 3 version (rather than the ATMP album version) would work best (or if george did it live then just overlaying the two live versions).

Don't think it would work for Something, but if paul does some other covers in his concert tours to come then someone could make a pretty good "Beatles" live disc!
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Hello Doctor Kite, graemlins/wave1.gif *

I'd be careful about airing ideas like these in public - it's odds-on that some mean sod'll put this duet (should it ever be manufactured) onto a bootleg and label it as a 'previously undocumented reunion track'... graemlins/devious.gif

[Doctor Kite]

Seem to have caused a bit of an unintentional stir here!

I put this in bootlegs on the basis that i assumed that only a bootleg recording/mix xould do this. can you imagine the nightmare that gettin EMI/Lawyers/The Estates of John and George to agree to such an idea would be! Thus i reasoned that it would have to be an unuathorised release, probably from bootleg recordings of concerts.

Something similar has been done before with the Remix of the Queen & Bowie song Under Pressure, it basically comprised of Freddie singing the song live and Bowie singing it live at the Freddie mercury tribute concert (where he sung a duet with Annie Lennox). Of course that song was always a Mercury & Bowie duet so it wasn't making a completely new entity out of a solo song.

I would have no idea at all of how to do this myself, the idea came to me when i was reading a thread on putting various solo efforts based around a common theme or style on 1 cd. I thought it would be pretty neat to manufacture a (albiet artificial) Beatles Live album. I think it could be done given that paul has sung all things must pass, and i read somewhere that he did Strawberry fields on one gig (haven't actually heared this though). Plus IIRC Ringo takes some of Paul of John's vocals on his All-Star Band gigs. Thus you could have Ringo and Paul duets, Ringo and John duets with ringo on drums, paul and George duets and if paul carries on doing covers of other band members songs even some Paul and John duets (obviously based around a john solo song, ie. imagine. No point in a live collaboration on Day Tripper, we already have that). This wouldn't be too far removed from what was done with FAAB and real love, it would just involve a few more combinations, duets are obviously a must cos it's not as though Macca is going to write a new verse to something, get ringo in to drum it just so that someone can do a bootleg and claims its a new song/reunion version!
Live would probably be a must simply becuase it would limit the getting the sounds to match up (here you can see the extnet of my musical and technical knowhow!)

Why do it? FUN! why else?

Course give the high IQ guys and gals enough time and they'll be computer programmes turning out Ersatz beatles stuff in prodigious quantities.

[Paolo Meccano]

Seem to have caused a bit of an unintentional stir here!

I put this in bootlegs on the basis that i assumed that only a bootleg recording/mix xould do this. can you imagine the nightmare that gettin EMI/Lawyers/The Estates of John and George to agree to such an idea would be! Thus i reasoned that it would have to be an unuathorised release, probably from bootleg recordings of concerts. <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Hello again Doctor Kite, graemlins/wave1.gif *

I don't mean to say that the mix shouldn't be made, but that it would be all to easy for someone unscrupulous to sell it as something that it wasn't. graemlins/nono.gif

P.S: graemlins/lightbulb.gif *George did a live version of 'All Things Must Pass' for VH1 in 1997 so I guess that would be the one to merge with Paul's version...

[ Jun 10, 2003, 07:23 AM: Message Edited By: Paolo Meccano ]

[onosideboards]

i am not saying that i favor outfakes or remixes in ANY way because i simply don't...but many many people do enjoy this hobby. and yes they are bootlegs...just not in the traditional sense. heck--i knew someone who thought bootlegs are ONLY live recordings taped by fans (not studio outtakes).

yes, someone could try to sell off this type of remix but that's been going on for years. we're simply running out of listenable, new, unheard beatles material; so remixing is the next natural progression for bootlegs. just look at mirror spock and dr. ebbets---their works are some of the most desired boots around these days. however, i admit their releases are very different from meshing together two songs. still, it involves remixing and producing an outfake.

[bobdude]

Paul did perform Strawberry Fields at the John Lennon 50th birthday tribute in Liverpool. It can be found on various download sites. I found it on Win Mx.

[Doctor Kite]

Onosideboards: No there definately not bootlegs in the traditional sence. But as i say i put it in this forum because of my assumption that it would have to be made from bootlegs and would be an unauthorised release. Say a quasi boot.

Paulo: the quote of mine you responded to was actually a response to Legs Post! As for unscrupulous sellers i assumed that anyone getting into bootlegs would have a pretty good knowledge of the beatles and the threetles reunion so that they would be aware that a bootleg was being dishonestly described. I know if i saw a live all things duet on sale i would have been pretty sure it was an outfake! In fairness though i do no what is said to happen when you assume things!

As i say the whole idea was just meant to be fun. Not the start of a cottage ersatz beatles industry! (though i think if the software and hardware advances enough that could happen. There is now a program which makes pretty authentic sounding eurovision songs. Given that this is the nadir of music that's not saying much. But once the software gets to the stage of being able to approximate personalities and playing styles we could have a flood of Maybee im amazeds with John on backing vocals and Ringo on drumsetc etc. Or an instant Karma with Paul on backing vocals etc. Or even new Lennon-McCartney like compositions. Obviously the technology is nowhere near that advanced yet but it could get there eventually).

[Legs]

I understand what you mean Dr. ! This sound like fun to, and nothing wrong doing something like this at home, for yourself, heck if I have better sofware I would try to, but I really don't hope the bootleg market wouldn't be overflowed with this kind of homemade outfakes.
But yes I think that most people will know for example that there is no such thing as a real duet of Paul and George doing "All Things Must Pass".

[Doctor Kite]

Yeah i get what you mean. To be honest i doubt that it would ever come to that though, not unless Macca and Ringo start doing cover versions willy-nilly!

[Legs]

And here it is a duets bootleg, including a version of All Things Must Pass, with George and... Paul.

Fab Forgeries 3 : The Duets & Stereo Demos (http://www.bootlegzone.com/album.php?name=yp007&section=1)

[Paolo Meccano]

Blimey! Well at least the title of the CD gives the game away... graemlins/wink3.gif