The Beatles--Take 1

[onosideboards]

this is a continuation of a discussion started in Legs' "What You're Burning" thread...but just to keep the place tidy i thought i'd move this side-topic.

we were discussing homemade mix CDs and a few of us decided that it'd be cool to make a collection of Take 1s/demos of as many songs as possible. a TRUE "1" album!

paranoic was kind enough came up with these known tracks:

"Here, I think, are most of the take #1's available, up until the end of 1965:
There's A Place
I Saw Her Standing There
Misery
Boys
Chains
Twist And Shout
From Me To You
Thank You Girl
One After 909
Open Message To Australia
I Want To Hold Your Hand
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand (announcement only)
Long Tall Sally
A Hard Day's Night
You Know What To Do (demo take 1)
No Reply (demo take 1)
I'm A Loser
Mr. Moonlight
No Reply
She's A Woman
Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey!
I Feel Fine
Rock And Roll Music
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby
Christmas Message/Speech
Another Girl
Yes It Is
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away
If You've Got Trouble
That Means A Lot
Help!
I'm Down
Yesterday
Run For Your Life (announcement only)
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
Day Tripper
If I Needed Someone
We Can Work It Out
I'm Looking Through You
What Goes On
Think For Yourself"

maybe everyone interested could share the research for this project (where to find the tracks). maybe we could even make a "tree" or "weed" of this and share the music!

think of other fun mix CD projects too!! images/icons/smile.gif

[EasternBird]

Good idea, onosideboards! I'd be happy to participate in a tree or something if enough people are interested.

Paranoiac made a great list - I wasn't even aware that some of those Take 1s were available! And I'd forgotten that most of the cover songs were only done in one take.

Building on that list, here's the Take 1s from 1966-1969 that I'm aware of. Many of these were already released on the Anthologies, but there's a few other good ones. I'm not sure how to classify the songs from "Let It Be," though! graemlins/smile1.gif

Tomorrow Never Knows
Paperback Writer
I'm Only Sleeping
Strawberry Fields Forever
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!
Hello Goodbye
Revolution 1
Cry Baby Cry
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (demo)
Wild Honey Pie graemlins/laugh1.gif
I Will
I'm So Tired
Old Brown Shoe (demo)
All Things Must Pass (demo)
Something (demo)
Come Together
Come And Get It

[paranoiac]

Here's a complete list of available take 1s, including some I missed the first time around, with annotations concerning their length:
incomplete = available source is incomplete, actual take is longer
released version = available on an official Beatles album (excluding the Anthologies)
(breakdown is the same as a false start, only longer - e.g. 5 sec vs. 30 sec)

There's A Place (11 February 1963) - complete
I Saw Her Standing There (11 February 1963) - complete
Misery (11 February 1963) - complete
Boys (11 February 1963) - released version
Chains (11 February 1963) - released version
Twist And Shout (11 February 1963) - released version
From Me To You (5 March 1963) - breakdown
Thank You Girl (5 March 1963) - complete
One After 909 (5 March 1963) - breakdown
Open Message To Australia (12 September 1963) - complete
I Want To Hold Your Hand (17 October 1963) - incomplete
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand (29 January 1964) - announcement only
Can't Buy Me Love (29 January 1964) - complete monitor mix
Long Tall Sally (1 March 1964) - released version
A Hard Day's Night (16 April 1964) - complete
You Know What To Do (3 June 1964) - complete demo
No Reply (3 June 1964) - complete demo
I'm A Loser (14 August 1964) - complete
Mr. Moonlight (14 August 1964) - false start
No Reply (30 September 1964) - breakdown
Eight Days A Week (6 October 1964) - incomplete
She's A Woman (8 October 1964) - incomplete
Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey! (18 October 1964) - released version
I Feel Fine (18 October 1964) - breakdown
Rock And Roll Music (18 October 1964) - released version
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (18 October 1964) - released version
Christmas Message/Speech (26 October 1964) - complete
Another Girl (15/16 February 1965) - released version
Yes It Is (16 February 1965) - complete
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (18 February 1965) - false start
If You've Got Trouble (18 February 1965) - complete
That Means A Lot (20 February 1965) - complete
Help! (13 April 1965) - breakdown
I'm Down (14 June 1965) - complete
Yesterday (14 June 1965) - complete
Run For Your Life (announcement only)
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (12 October 1965) - complete
Day Tripper (16 October 1965) - breakdown
If I Needed Someone (18 October 1965) - released version
We Can Work It Out (20 October 1965) - breakdown
I'm Looking Through You (24 October 1965) - complete
12 Bar Original (4 November 1965) - breakdown
What Goes On (4/5 November 1965) - released version
Beatle Speech (8 November 1965) - complete (19:26)
Think For Yourself (8 November 1965) - released version
Tomorrow Never Knows (6 April 1966) - complete
Paperback Writer (14 April 1966) - breakdown
I'm Only Sleeping (27 April 1966) - complete
For No One (9 May 1966) - breakdown
Good Day Sunshine (6 June 1966) - released version
Strawberry Fields Forever (24 November 1966) - complete
A Day In The Life (19 January 1967) - incomplete
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite! (17 February 1967) - false start
The Fool On The Hill (6 September 1967) - complete demo
Hello Goodbye (2 October 1967) - complete
Christmas Time (Is Here Again) (28 November 1967) - complete
Revolution 9 (20 June 1968) - complete mono acetate (RS1/take 1)
Cry Baby Cry (15 July 1968) - complete
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (25 July 1968) - complete
Hey Jude (29 July 1968) - complete
Hey Jude (31 July-2 August 1968) - remake, released version
Wild Honey Pie (20 August 1968) - released version
Dear Prudence (29 August 1968) - released version
I Will (16 September 1968) - complete
Can You Take Me Back (16 September 1968) - ad-lib from take 19 of "I Will" (1:54 available of the 2:21 performance, short edit released officially - other ad-libs of the session include Los Paranoias (complete 3:57), The Way You Look Tonight, and Down In Havana)
Honey Pie (1 October 1968) - released version
Savoy Truffle (3 October 1968) - released version
Martha My Dear (4 October 1968) - released version
Something (25 February 1969) - complete demo (two versions: Anthology and acetate)
Old Brown Shoe (16 April 1969) - released version
Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight (2 July 1969) - complete playback
Come Together (21 July 1969) - complete
Come And Get It (24 July 1969) - complete demo
Ain't She Sweet (24 July 1969) - complete

And...finally, just to comment on EB's excellent list above: two demos, Old Brown Shoe and All Things Must Pass, were actually "take 2" recordings. Also, Revolution 1, despite its name, was in fact take 22. I'm So Tired, though Anthology 3 let us hear bits of takes 3, 6 and 9, take 1 is still unavailable. There! That should be most of them, hopefully. Please comment on any that may be missing and/or are incorrectly labelled. Also, let me know if there is any difficulty in locating the tracks themselves.

[ Jun 01, 2003, 01:14 AM: Message Edited By: paranoiac ]

[onosideboards]

wow, i'm so impressed!!!! thanks so much EB and paranoic!!

so yeah, how many different boots are all these on? i have a mediocre collection myself. perhaps if we all pool together??? then there's winmx too...

maybe let's wait a bit and see if anyone else wants to be involved.

[joelcrowservo]

Wow, this idea is really coming together! The only problem I'd think of, and its picky, is some of these take ones are not really one take wonders, like Twist and Shout. The basic take (drums,bass,guitar,etc.) may have been take 1, but as with "Think For Yourself", if you've heard the chat recorded during this session, you'll know it took much more than one take! I know thats muddying things, and it can be confusing. Early on, every recording was a seperate take. But later, after 4 track, take #'ing ended with whatever basic track was getting the dubs. So I would dump the demos, not being 'actual' takes. But this oughta be interesting! What do you guys think?

[Legs]

Sounds like a great project. I have to dig into things more,the latest list looks pretty complete. For now the only question I have is what is "Open message to Austrialia" doing on the list, the only thing I have under that title are short greetings from the Beatles.

[joelcrowservo]

I wondered that too. Maybe cause thats one of the few tapes still exixting from the "With the Beatles" sessions? Were those messages even 'takes' per se?
The best sources for the early take ones would be "Please Me Do" and "One After 911", both on Silent Sea. For that matter, any of those Silent Sea CDs. "Hard Days and Nights" is good too.

[ Jun 01, 2003, 12:17 AM: Message Edited By: joelcrowservo ]

[EasternBird]

Originally Posted By paranoiac:
And...finally, just to comment on EB's excellent list above: two demos that EB mentioned in his list above, Old Brown Shoe and All Things Must Pass, were actually "take 2" recordings. Also, Revolution 1, despite its name, was in fact take 22. I'm So Tired, though Anthology 3 let us hear bits of takes 3, 6 and 9, take 1 is still unavailable.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I'm willing to take your word for it on "Old Brown Shoe," "All Things Must Pass," and "Revolution," but I'm not so sure about "I'm So Tired." I wasn't referring to the Anthology version - I've got a complete take (2:05) that's labeled "Take 1." But since I only have the MP3 file to go by, it could very possibly be mislabeled.

Does anyone know which takes of "I'm So Tired" are actually available? Couldn't find much info at Bootlegzone. I've also got a complete "Take 2" (2:30) that's in a higher key than the original! graemlins/thinker.gif

[paranoiac]

You're right, the various speech bits don't really belong there, I just included them basically for sake of completeness. Some were slated takes (Australia, Christmas) and some weren't (Think For Yourself speech).

Here's a rundown of the sources/outtakes for "I'm So Tired"
Anthology 3: edit of takes 3/6/9
Control Room Monitor Mixes: isolated tracks 7 and 8 of the multi-track tape and other various mixes, all from take 14 (the released take)

The "I'm So Tired" tracks on Control Room Monitor Mixes all suffer speed-variation problems as you mentioned, and the "takes" you have labelled may in fact be the various "mixing" attempts, or some new remixes created with the availability of these tracks.

By eliminated the readily-available album tracks, demo takes and speech, the collection could probably fit on a single disc. Then, there's the whole issue of selecting a particular mix for these outtakes, but as a general rule, it might be best to stay away from the Anthology tracks whenever possible (as they were frequently subjected to additional editing/remixing). All of them should be easy to find on CD graemlins/cool2.gif , with the probable exception of Golden Slumbers; for that you'll need the Anthology DVD set.

[joelcrowservo]

OK, so lets get a official track listing going, then we'll think about a cover design for this. A take off on Beatles 1 of some sort? We also should discuss how this will all happen. I'm not sure we need to start a tree sort of situation here, maybe...oh, I dont know. At least post the CD art here. How many of us would not be able to take the track listing and make our own? Or does someone REALLY want to go to the trouble of managing a tree? Further, does Jerry want that sorta thing starting here? Just some thoughts, ignore them freely.

[onosideboards]

wow, i go to sleep for the night and the project finishes...what a wonderful feeling! ( kidding images/icons/smile.gif )

so, we don't include demos--good idea. yes, i agree with that because they aren't really stuido takes. otherwise we'd have volumes of this project, one of which would be nearly all "the esher demos."

paranoiac: did you look through lewishohn's (sp?) recording sessions book to get this info?

yes joelcrowservo, we maybe don't have to actually tree it. so do we all fend for ourselves for finding the tracks? is someone already locating which boots our potential tracks are on?

[Legs]

The Unspurpassed Master Series by Yellow Dog
Studio 2 sessions at Abbey Road the 4 separet cd-s by Yellow Dog.
Anthology + has some takes 1's
The Alternate versions vol.1
The Alternate versions vol.2 also has some take 1's of songs.

Plus the boots already mentioned. I have only missing the take 1 of Hello Goodbey.

[paranoiac]

ono: Yes, I did use two of Lewisohn's books, but other sources (Sulpy, etc.) were needed to compile the list.

[joelcrowservo]

Maybe someone can put it together, and then 'hide' it on WinMx where only WE could find it? Then when we all have it, delete it.

[onosideboards]

Originally Posted By joelcrowservo:
Maybe someone can put it together, and then 'hide' it on WinMx where only WE could find it? Then when we all have it, delete it.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">good idea joel. but i know to some people (not me) any compression is a sin. however, since a tree is probably too much trouble, this will have to do.

i have a cable modem so i'm online all evening at least, so i could "host" the files. i did a winmx search earlier today and found quite a few take 1s. i'll search kazaa too. also, maybe some people could share their collections so i could download them to the central location.

any other ideas???

oh, and who are "we"? should we have a cut-off date for sign ups?

[ Jun 01, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message Edited By: onosideboards ]

[joelcrowservo]

Who are 'we'? That made me laugh! Just sounded funny! Umm...well, lets just do limited sign ups on here, under this topic would be fine.And a cutoff date.. we'll figure that out later but a good idea. I think someone should be 'boss' of signups, and the actual signups should be done via email, just so someone can't just throw their name on here and then forget it. A bit more time invested with actual e-mailing. Then when the thing is together, we'll figure out what to hide it under. A code that doesnt mention "Beatles''. We also need to decide who is most graphically gifted. I could take a whack at a cover design. And What will we name our new little record label we're launching? So much fun, this..!

[ Jun 01, 2003, 08:43 PM: Message Edited By: joelcrowservo ]

[Jerry]

Sounds like a cool idea, although I'm not sure why you would want to include any released versions. Maybe stereo mixes of any take 1's from the first four LPs, and mono mixes of any take 1's from anything after that, just a suggestion. Most people don't have those on CD. I assume I have all of these tracks on CD somewhere in my collection, so let me know if you need any help compiling your list. Good luck.

[onosideboards]

Originally Posted By Jerry:
Sounds like a cool idea, although I'm not sure why you would want to include any released versions. Maybe stereo mixes of any take 1's from the first four LPs, and mono mixes of any take 1's from anything after that, just a suggestion. Most people don't have those on CD. I assume I have all of these tracks on CD somewhere in my collection, so let me know if you need any help compiling your list. Good luck.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">thanks so much for your offer, Jerry. you're right...we should not used the popular released versions.

since this is all my fault images/icons/wink.gif , i'm willing to be the contact person. so... EMAIL ME BY SUNDAY MIDNIGHT CENTRAL USA TIME JUNE 15TH TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT. just use the email link below. and please include "the beatles take 1" in the subject line.

joel--that'd be great if you could come up with a cover design. and yes, someone think of a title!

do we have an offcial tracklisting yet? this may be a 2-disc set! further, maybe let's only include songs that actualy ended up on offcial releases (no "12 bar orginal," or "can you take me back"). let me know what you all think...

paranoiac: on your list, when you have a song listed as "released version," do you mean that the version on the album was recorded live, in one take? or just the basic track? i find it difficult to believe that "another girl" was recorded live. we don't want anything that appears on an EMI/Apple release.

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[Jerry]

I think this was already explained, but if they got a good basic version on the very first take, they would then just record the overdubs onto take 1, or a reduction of take 1. Even if they got only the drums right, they might have wiped everything else and started from there. Sometimes after several reductions and overdubs and edits, the released take would be take 4 or 5. But at least the basic track of take 1 was the released version. In any case, my opinion is that you shouldn't include any released versions. I mean, if you don't have the official CDs yet, why would you be reading this topic to get bootlegs of something you don't even have yet? Nothing is worse than listening to a new bootleg to discover that they threw on an official version, only so you can "compare" the two. But it's up to you guys.

[joelcrowservo]

Okay, hold on just a bit, I'm finalizing and crosschecking things. Should have a track listing quickly. But if anyone else has one, please, lets post at least two and then pick from that!

[onosideboards]

good idea joel...and no rush..i just didn't know if anyone was actually working on it!

[joelcrowservo]

Okay, here we go, presenting:
The Beatles Take 1 ,the first release from (ready for this?) Onosideboard Records!
Track Listing:
"Theres a Place"
"I Saw Her Standing There"
"Misery"
"From Me To You"
"Thank You Girl"
"One After 909"
"I Want To Hold Your Hand"
"Komm Gib Mer Deine Hand"
"Cant Buy Me Love"
"A Hard Days Night"
"Im A Loser"
"Mr Moonlight"(Anthology has a combo of 1 and 4)
"No Reply"
"Shes A Woman" (fragment)
"I Feel Fine"
"Yes It Is"
"Help!"
"Day Tripper"
"We Can Work It Out"
"Paperback Writer"
"For No One"
"Strawberry Fields Forever" (w/backing vocals)
"A Day In The Life" (unedited)
"Hello Goodbye"
"Christmas Time Is Here Again" (complete)
"Revolution #9" (acetete)
"Hey Jude"
and the bonus track:
"Free As A Bird" (acoustic mix, kind of a outfake take 1!}
Okay Beatlefans, either start throwing your tomatoes or lets go!

[onosideboards]

i don't know if it was meant to be an honor of sorts, but oh my goodness joel, no i'm not ready for Onosideboards Records! really, you've done WAY more work on this than i have so far.

anyway, does all that fit on 1 disc? do you personally have all these tracks already?

my only comment is on "revolution #9." i have nothing against the song itself (yes, i'm one of the few), but i think that in this collection, i'd rather hear something else, even more of the breakdowns.

oh, i don't know about the bonus track, especially considering that same outfake will probably be on "meet the threetles"

gotta go!

[joelcrowservo]

Well, my thoughts were you were really the one that initiated this, and also the name hasnt been used for a label, which I find odd, since its such a well known Lennonism. Sounds a damn sight better than joelcrowservo records!
I'll bet all that fits, since sevreal tracks are only a minute or so.
Get rid of #9? Thats fine really. The acetate version is interesting, but upon further thought would really disrupt any kind of flow to the CD.
And the reason I included "FAAB" is because the whole thing shuts down at 1968! Something to bring it a little more up to date.. images/icons/wink.gif *
Anyway, I still think there should be another list if anyone has one, so we could choose from both. And yeah, thats our problem now, if my list is accepted. Getting all tracks in one place. Then does anyone have access to ALBW technology? This is our next problem; once we circumvent all this,our next 'release' will be that much easier. OK, any ideas?

[Legs]

Don't think we need a second list, we can just add to it.

Your Mother Should Know take 1 is missing.

And, well you know my take on outfakes, I would remove "FAAB" cause it's not a real take 1

[onosideboards]

yeah joel, we trust you. images/icons/smile.gif we can just add to your existing list (minus #9 and FAAB) like Legs said.

i'm not at home so i can't look it up myself, but what version of "you're mother should know" is on anthology 2?

i'm sorry to keep bringing up this little detail...but how exactly are we doing this? who has all these files...i have just a few.

are we ok with them being sourced from mp3s? will we share them in mp3 format? i know mp3s smaller and better for downloading, but if we ever wanted to offer this as a trade to someone outside beatlelinks, they would probably be horrified to know it came from mp3s. but maybe that doesn't matter.

[Legs]

Take 27 of "Your Mother Should Know" is on Anthology 2.

[Legs]

On what boot is "No Reply" take 1 btw?

[paranoiac]

Take 1 of "Your Mother Should Know" isn't available - the earliest one, take 9 is on "Acetates". Take 1 for "No Reply" is on "Abbey Road Video Show" (Strawberry), among others.

[sleepybomb]

great idea ya'll . . .
i want in on this! i have to dig and see exactly what i have on this list, (that may take awhile), but i am sure i got some, if not all.
'take 1' is a perfect title and the cover should be some very rare pic of the boys, (maybe in an uncompromisining situation!).
ha!

[joelcrowservo]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/10237544/JS003262.jpg

Okay, I just like this for a cover , minus water mark of course, with the Beatles logo up left hand and "Take One" in the right hand upper corner. Anyone think so?

[joelcrowservo]

(get it? "take one" road, maybe Abbey Road or Any Road will take you there? A play on words, with a photo of the Fabs at work in studio 2 on back? if so, I'll get to work on it.)

[Legs]

Thanks I still haven't caught my copy of the Abbey Road shows, while indeed it has been released many times, hope to get it soon, but just didn't hury with it cause I thought it's not to intersting.

On "Your Mother Should Know" I believe you. It's posible that the bootleg I have it on "Anthology plus" has given the wrong info, it is listed as take 1, while I also have the "Acetates" bootleg and it is the same version! But "Acetates" doesn't give information which take it is and on Bootleg zone it is listed as take 8. Just slightly confused now.

[onosideboards]

yeah joel, i like that idea of a play on words...but i guess i was kinda looking more for a cool pic of the beatles themslves. like you usually see on boots. personally, i can never get enough of the mad day out pics, or those weird 1965 ones.

http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/md/m6_041.jpg

http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/md/m1_045.jpg

http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/sherriff/65rw46.jpg

http://www.nemsworld.com/beatles/sherriff/65rw07.jpg

[onosideboards]

i think i kinda like the stirophoam (sp?) one above best. maybe the play on words could be "take 1" being take a break, like take 5. oooo, even cooler would be a spoof off dave brubeck's album cover for the "take 5" album, or whatever album that song was orginally on. or is that too many cultural references???

or someone else suggested a spoof off the "1" album. i think that's a great idea but there's not much to spoof images/icons/smile.gif i've always adored that old 50s and 60s cover design.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002AGN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[joelcrowservo]

Okay, well maybe the last two shots, the final for the front and the smashing one for the back. Gives plenty of space for titles. Lets put it to a vote and then I'll get to work.

[onosideboards]

i found another take 1:

"i'm looking through you" (on Ultra Tracks Vol.1)

[paranoiac]

Even though "I'm Looking Through You" take 1 is available on Anthology 2, it would make a great addition, as it is a very good take.

[ Jun 05, 2003, 11:51 AM: Message Edited By: paranoiac ]

[onosideboards]

Originally Posted By paranoiac:
Even though "I'm Looking Through You" take 1 is available on Anthology 2, it would make a great addition, as it is a very good take.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">oh, i'm sorry. i'm at work and didn't bother to look it up. hmmm, we had kinda drawn the line at stuff that appears on offcial releases but heck--many boots included anthology materials after anthology came out. let's see how they lay out time-wise on a CD...

[sleepybomb]

ya'll got this down! what is the final listing?
i have all the tunes you list, just wanna get it right.
this is such a funny idea, an internet beatle boot . . . i always wanted a band like this, where ya didn't have to be with one another, but got things done . . .
the cover is great, ( i too love 'mad day out!')
you go ya'll!

[joelcrowservo]

Well, I believe this is the final track listing for Beatles Take 1:

Track Listing:
"Theres a Place"
"I Saw Her Standing There"
"Misery"
"From Me To You"
"Thank You Girl"
"One After 909"
"I Want To Hold Your Hand"
"Komm Gib Mer Deine Hand"
"Cant Buy Me Love"
"A Hard Days Night"
"Im A Loser"
"Mr Moonlight"(Anthology has a combo of 1 and 4)
"No Reply"
"Shes A Woman" (fragment)
"I Feel Fine"
"Yes It Is"
"Help!"
"Day Tripper"
"We Can Work It Out"
"Paperback Writer"
"For No One"
"Strawberry Fields Forever" (w/backing vocals)
"A Day In The Life" (unedited)
"Hello Goodbye"
"Christmas Time Is Here Again" (complete)
"Revolution #9" (acetete)
"Hey Jude"
Now as far as the cover goes, I totally missed the post about the Take 5 LP spoof. Yeah, One is not the easily spoofable cover! What if.. and I'll try it and see if I can do it, we wiped out the top of the Brubeck LP, replaced it with similar type and the copy: :TAKE ONE featuring Take one of the Beatles greatest. THE BEATLES. and then several song titles. Then for the painting below, try to insert the Beatles heads (maybe animated versions?) in some of those holes in the picture. Hows about that? This may be over my graphic design head, but, I'm game!
sleepybomb, lets coordinate with you, if you do have all these tracks. I cant seem to find some of them. I know you're on winmx, so lets figure out where to hide these tracks. Do you have album wrap capabilities? Keep in mind, if this works out well, theres an idea I have floating around for the second project: Ring-o-Rarities!

[onosideboards]

oh joel i'm so sorry to be holding this up! but really, anyone can add their opinion...hello??? anyway, sorry, i was out of town for a long weekend.

yeah, i think we're on the same track with the cover idea. the brubeck spoof doesn't have to be obvious, but it's just a nice, clean design anyway. i think whatever pic you want to put in there should be fine. so yeah, keep the same layout as the brubeck and replace the necessary text.

we need a record label logo!!! and what will the back look like?? maybe it could could resemble an old capitol album? ewww, but who wants to write liner notes for that. ok, bad idea.

oh, i thought we weren't including revolution #9 cuz it ruined the flow...

so did sleepybomb voluteer to host the files?? images/icons/wink.gif what do any of us know about the SHN audio file format? i guess it's a lossless compression.

gotta go to my Yo La Tengo concert!! ta ta

[joelcrowservo]

OK, to bring this up top and to date... sorry Ive been missing. Been rather ambivalent lately...not to mention fixing my CD burner. Sorry I left Rev No.9 in that list. Its NOT supposed to be there! Allright, has all intrest dwindled for this or what? I guess we need a cut off date, period. I'm not sure how many have signed up for it, but...Yes, does Sleepybomb still want in, and got all the tracks? We need to know, rapido. Everybody, let us know if youre still out there!!

[onosideboards]

nobody has emailed me specifically. i think people around beatlelinks are mainly concerned with paul's hair color images/icons/wink.gif

have you worked on the art at all joel?

[joelcrowservo]

Actually, yes Ive played around with a couple of designs, nothing I'm pleased with yet. Basically the shot with the four in black laying down, yellow bgd. And the smashing' shot, fir back. Maybe I'll debut them if any life comes back into this!

[Legs]

So how far along is this now. I know I've been absent on this topic for awhile just wondering.
I could burn a copy for myself I have most of the take 1's on cd-s, still some missing, the "I want to hold your hand" ones, "Yes It Is" the complete thing, I have the Anthology version of it ofcourse and the "Hello Hello" "A Day In The Life" ones (Only have the oh shit version of it, take 2 that is)

Don't how this is planned with the distrubition, guess someone could put the tracks up on WinMx as been sugested, I will have to reinstall WinMX as I've lived without it for awhile.
I'm looking forward to see the cover, maybe if posible you can show me some ideas.

As for the take 1 of "No Reply" if I am not mistaken the only version of take 1 is just a short take included within a medley, someone will have to edit it out to make a separete track from it.

[FPSHOT]

Originally Posted By onosideboards:
nobody has emailed me specifically. i think people around beatlelinks are mainly concerned with paul's hair color images/icons/wink.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">I could have written this at a certain point, I love it. graemlins/laugh2.gif graemlins/thumbsup1.gif

I am very far from that btw, visit Crackerbox Palace and you will see there are many very inside discussions, however not about Paul.

[EasternBird]

Originally Posted By Legs:
I could burn a copy for myself I have most of the take 1's on cd-s, still some missing, the "I want to hold your hand" ones, "Yes It Is" the complete thing, I have the Anthology version of it ofcourse and the "Hello Hello" "A Day In The Life" ones (Only have the oh shit version of it, take 2 that is) <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">If you guys are still trying to compile all the tracks, I've got "Yes It Is" (the complete one) and "Hello Hello" on MP3. I'd be happy to post them somewhere if you need them! graemlins/smile1.gif


As for the take 1 of "No Reply" if I am not mistaken the only version of take 1 is just a short take included within a medley, someone will have to edit it out to make a separete track from it.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Is that the one that breaks down because John "can't get anywhere near 'light' now?" If so, I've got that one also as an isolated track. Just let me know if you're interested.

[Legs]

Hi Easternbird that would be great, thanks for the offer.

I haven't uploaded new mp3's on my site for a long time mainly because I keep on having troubles when I want to upload a file that is longer then 3 minutes. I can host some files on WinMX again, so let me know what the plans are and what is needed.

[onosideboards]

i was just thinking about rejuvinating this topic myself...thanks for beating it to me everyone! images/icons/wink.gif

i recently acquired several bootlegs through weeds and trades so i have many take 1s now as well, and access to winmx with a broadband connection.

is anyone familiar with the SHN format? it stands for "shorten" and it's a lossless alternative to mp3 (lossy). i think we should avoid at least sourcing from mp3s, and stick to cd-quality sources only. then whoever has the tracks can either convert them to mp3 or SHN and share them on winmx or possibly an ftp site. i know of a couple ftp sites i think.

i had a thread going about SHN on the bootlegzone forums (where you can see i battled with it at first). there's some links too.

http://www.bootlegzone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1864

i'll have to look at home for what conversion software i downloaded. it's super easy anyway.

let's decide who's doing what!!

[joelcrowservo]

OK, here I thought I'd killed off yet another topic and eveyone revives it! Yes, PLEASE lets decide jobs here, if we REALLY wanna do this. Cause I REALLY need to know if I'm gonna finish the covers.
onosideboards, is SHN rellay that superior to mp3? I just dunno; for my purposes (listening on a portable CD walkman thing thru my cassette player), as long as mp3s are 320 or around (180 is intollerable for mono especially), I jst think what I burn is pretty good sounding! I'll leave this fancy, fast computer stuff to you then. This makes me feel like...I'm still making tapes!Its your record company girl, we just work here!! images/icons/grin.gif

[onosideboards]

Originally Posted By joelcrowservo:
OK, here I thought I'd killed off yet another topic and eveyone revives it! Yes, PLEASE lets decide jobs here, if we REALLY wanna do this. Cause I REALLY need to know if I'm gonna finish the covers.
onosideboards, is SHN rellay that superior to mp3? I just dunno; for my purposes (listening on a portable CD walkman thing thru my cassette player), as long as mp3s are 320 or around (180 is intollerable for mono especially), I jst think what I burn is pretty good sounding! I'll leave this fancy, fast computer stuff to you then. This makes me feel like...I'm still making tapes!Its your record company girl, we just work here!! images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">ha! no, you're right. i really dont' care. it's just been ingrained in my head lately that mp3 sucks, but i've been using it for years and i can't tell a difference.

tomorrow night i'll make a list of all the take 1s i have. how's that?

[Legs]

These are the take 1's I have.

"Theres a Place"
"I Saw Her Standing There"
"Misery"
"From Me To You"
"Thank You Girl"
"One After 909"

"I Want To Hold Your Hand"
"Komm Gib Mer Deine Hand"
( The only thing I have again is bits that were included in one of the Anthology medleys)

"Cant Buy Me Love"
"A Hard Days Night"
"Im A Loser" (thought I had it somewhere, but now I can only find takes 2 and 3)

"Mr Moonlight"(Anthology has a combo of 1 and 4) Note: Do we really want to include this, since it's just a short bit and already on Anthology

"No Reply" (As a short link track perhaps)
"She's A Woman" (fragment)
"I Feel Fine"
"Help!"
"Day Tripper"
"We Can Work It Out"
"Paperback Writer"
"For No One"
"Strawberry Fields Forever" (w/backing vocals)

"Christmas Time Is Here Again" (complete)
"Hey Jude"

[joelcrowservo]

Well, not to get off topic, but I did burn a copy of the mono Sgt. Pepper (mp3) today, and now I think I know the meaning of the word 'lossy'. Or 'lousy', seems the same! Its been described as a 'swooshy' sound in the mp3, and its distracting. I thought I'd found, finally, a good copy of mono Pepper, but alas...

[EasternBird]

onosideboards made a good point about MP3s...I do notice a slight difference between MP3-sourced tracks and regular ones, but for those rare songs, I'd still rather have the MP3 version than none at all! graemlins/smile1.gif For a collection like this (that probably wouldn't be traded), I wouldn't mind using the MP3 versions, but I can understand why some folks wouldn't want to.

But anyway...for the benefit of Mr. Legs (and anyone else who'd like them!) I went ahead and uploaded the Take 1s of "Hello Hello," "No Reply" and "Yes It Is." They're zipped MP3 files, and you can find them HERE. (http://beatlegs.ontheweb.com/backdoor/) Enjoy! graemlins/teeth1.gif

[Legs]

Thanks Easternbird!
The backing track of Hello Hello especially is great. Can you pm me to explain again how you upload mp3's to your site, I have given up on uploading mp3's with coffee cup ftp, everytime a file is about 3 minutes they broke down. The Hello Hello file is about 5 minutes, I want to be able to upload stuff like that to! I know I have the webspace, If I can have 3 files of 2 minutes I should be able to have one file of 6 minutes.

Thanks

[ Jun 28, 2003, 01:07 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

[Paolo Meccano]

Originally Posted By Legs:
Thanks Easternbird!
The backing track of Hello Hello especially is great. Can you pm me to explain again how you upload mp3's to your site, I have given up on uploading mp3's with coffee cup ftp, everytime a file is about 3 minutes they broke down.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Hello Easternbird and Legs, graemlins/wave1.gif *

Firstly, thankyou Easternbird for your generosity. Secondly, Legs - I've been using coffee cup to access someone's FTP server but lately it hasn't been able to connect and your post has got me wondering if it's their fault: could you please recommend an alternative?

[ Jun 28, 2003, 06:26 AM: Message Edited By: Paolo Meccano ]

[Legs]

Hi Paolo,

I haven't tried another FTP program yet, been neglecting my homepage for some time now so I haven't used coffee cup to upload something in awhile. The problems I had was only with mp3 there weren't any other problems that I know off. I recently donwloaded WS-FTP lite wich is freeware but I have yet to try it out.

[EasternBird]

Well, since 2 of you have asked about FTP, I'll just mention it here. I usually use the WS_FTP free program. The only times I've had problems with it was because of the server, not the FTP program. 50megs also has its own built-in FTP program, so I use that sometimes.

Legs, are you able to upload other large files that aren't MP3? I wonder if your web site has a limit on file size. Before I upgraded my site it wouldn't let me upload any file over 5 MB. graemlins/angry9.gif

Feel free to email/PM me if you'd like more FTP info! graemlins/smile1.gif

[Legs]

Thanks for the sugestions all and especially Easternbird for pointing out that there could be a size limiet on files. After I tried the free version of WS_FTP I still couldn't upload a 4 minute mp3, so I checked and found that the limit was just 3mb per upload!
Another thing I've learned is that I don't need an ftp program at all, just type in the name of your server ftp://ftp.yourserver then it asks for your username and password and voila a page opens with everything you have on your server and you can just cut and paste, delete files you don't need etc.

Anyway going a bit off topic here, it just means that for now I can't upload any take 1's that's over 3mb, so who is in this and who needs what that is under 3mb. It will have to be mp3's goes I don't know anything about other type of music files such as SHN format.

[ Jun 29, 2003, 06:05 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

[joelcrowservo]

Yes, we need a whipcracker here! graemlins/spank.gif Whos in charge of this label? images/icons/wink.gif

[onosideboards]

WHIPCRACKER REPORTING

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oh my god i'm so sorry for ignoring all this for so long! and i promised i'd list all my take 1s thursday night... humph

Legs: it appears as if you have 2 key aspects under control--file transfer and many of the files. is it possible to open up even part of your ftp to us? it would be ideal if nobody would have to download any extra software. oh, and is there a limit on transfers? maybe we'd all have to take turns downloading. of course, not everyone will need to download every song...

joel: how's the artwork? ready to post anything? i'm sure you know this but when you save the final version, make sure it's a 300 dpi jpg.

me: what the hell am i doing here? i'll spare you boys the details, but basically my life is very filled these days. PLEASE someone tell me what i can do!

oh, regarding file format. yes, let's just save them as mp3s in the ftp site but whenever possible, let's not actually source from mp3s.

[joelcrowservo]

Originally Posted By onosideboards:
WHIPCRACKER REPORTING
joel: how's the artwork? ready to post anything? i'm sure you know this but when you save the final version, make sure it's a 300 dpi jpg.

me: what the hell am i doing here? i'll spare you boys the details, but basically my life is very filled these days. PLEASE someone tell me what i can do!
<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">REPORT FILED, Ma'am. God no, I'm stupid! 300 dpi? Ok, I'll assume I understand that...I think I get it, glad you told me! And yes, what the hell ARE you doing here? C'mon, don't tease, us boys LIKE detail, especially from our fearless leader! images/icons/smile.gif

[Legs]

Originally Posted By onosideboards:
WHIPCRACKER REPORTING

images/icons/smile.gif

oh, regarding file format. yes, let's just save them as mp3s in the ftp site but whenever possible, let's not actually source from mp3s.<font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">Nope I'll make mp3 files from the original bootlegs I have.

[Legs]

Alright I've made a start and have uploaded
There's A Place
Misery
Thank You Girl

And a medley I've made myself with some take 1's and breakdowns. If you'll like it to use it as a bonus track then go ahead, if not then not.

Here's the link
Take 1 downloads (http://home.zonnet.nl/carryingwords/downloads.htm)

[ Jun 29, 2003, 08:25 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

[onosideboards]

woohoo! thanks Legs graemlins/kiss1.gif

[onosideboards]

Originally Posted By joelcrowservo:
REPORT FILED, Ma'am. God no, I'm stupid! 300 dpi? Ok, I'll assume I understand that...I think I get it, glad you told me! And yes, what the hell ARE you doing here? C'mon, don't tease, us boys LIKE detail, especially from our fearless leader! images/icons/smile.gif <font size="2" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif">dpi is dots per inch and i think that's the standard for cover artwork though i'm not positive...legs?

maybe you could personally email the artwork to me first joel and i'll throw it into photoshop to see how it's going. editing graphics is one of my job functions, i just have trouble starting from scratch with them.

[onosideboards]

just wanted to bring this back up to the top of the list...

[joelcrowservo]

Has anyone actually taken the list of songs,(I'm including Legs 'medley' as bonus track)burned them to see if they'll all fit on a CDR? That might be good, cause "Take 1" appears to be finally coming to fruition!

[ Jul 27, 2003, 03:18 AM: Message Edited By: joelcrowservo ]

[joelcrowservo]

Just to bring this limping dog back up for air one last time....