Julian's Curiosity About His Fans on Myspace

[beatlemania5grace]

Julian's blog post about his fans "loyalty"-

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=48906808&blogid=441957197&page=3

"Sorry folks/friends?, but I have to get something off My chest......
You are here, supposedly, because you like what I do, &/or you respect me in some way,
but as I troll through YOUR home pages, I've noticed that 99% of YOU, don't even have me listed in your musical favorites list. So, what does that mean?
It's a curious one, is it not?
No, I'm not being weird, funny or odd here, it's just, I see what I see.....
Can you explain yourselves?
Just Curious!

Because if you're not here for My work, then what are you here for?

I find it incredibly funny that many of you list me next to Yoko, Ringo & The Beatles, even though they don't exist anymore. You're a funny bunch!
Looking forward to your responses! ha! This WILL be fun!
Have a lovely Weekend!
x"


Don't you find that strange?
The part about the Bealtes being, "nonexistent" really bugged me.

[Dr Winston]

Julian is famous for one thing - being John Lennon's son. He should accept that and get on with his life. There is nothing he can do about it.

I feel Julian has always had too much time on his hands, and so comes out with these strange comments from time to time.

Having said that, I like Julian a lot.

[Asha]

I disagree! I enjoy Julian's music very much! No, I don't have him listed on my list of fave musicians, but that's only because I love about 3294872302 bands! I can't put all of them on my MySpace. I have him added as a friend because I do support his work & enjoy his music. He may not be in my top 10, but I like to know what he's up to, etc.

[Rellevart]

Julian, darling, seriously, myspace top friends lists are junior high. We're in our 40's. We should be past that kind of "bbbbuuuuut, they don't like me beeeeessssssttttt" thing. Chill, hang, the people who have added you are interested in you, maybe not interested in you more than their 20 bff's and other bands, but they're interested in you. Chill, dude. :smile1:

[VersusBatman]

Gee, bitter much?

[dogman]

i've always felt incredibly sorry for julian. not only did he have a disfunctional father, and one that didn't seem to want him around, but this relationship with his dad has been in the press and under the microscope since day one. which must make it even harder to cope with.

i've seen a couple of very honest interviews with julian in the past. in both he was close to tears, and he unloaded some personal stories about him and john, and to be honest john sounded like a very unpleasant father.

but hey, i'm not saying its easy to be a young dad, especially in the beatle environment.

julian comes across as a very sensitive and caring man. i don't know if he has battled with depression, but i wouldn't be surprised if he had.

is he still recording?

i think the one person you'd not want as a father if you were in the music business would be lennon. dylan's son is in it, and marley's too, however having john as your dad puts you top of the heap i think, especially as he is dead.

[hibgal]

Bitter? I don't think so. Putting people on the spot? Yeah! I love it!!! :devil7:

And, of course, he's right in that The Beatles as a group doesn't exist any more. Their legacy live on but it's closing in on 40 years since the band last recorded anything.

I haven't listened to him for a long time, no wonder since he's obviously not recorded for a long time either :rolleyes:, but was pleasantly surprised by the improvements of his voice. Particularly listen to Everything Changes. Very nice, I thought. Now if Sean could continue composing while accepting he can't sing... :devious:

Link to Julian's MySpace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=48906808)

[Lucy]

Now if Sean could continue composing while accepting he can't sing... :devious:



I happen to really like Sean's voice. Have you ever heard him sing live? It is far better than recorded.

I think Julian's message is pretty vicious and I can understand it (and his general frustration) in part BUT also Asha and Rell are so right. I agree with them both.

[Hari's Chick]

Just visited Julian's page and his blog on 10/9 was "it's his day" and wishes to Sean.... only. I have not followed the Julian/John dynamics much, but hey... s'up here?

Wouldn't have hurt to send out a cosmic 'howdi' to John, eh?

[Asha]

Just visited Julian's page and his blog on 10/9 was "it's his day" and wishes to Sean.... only. I have not followed the Julian/John dynamics much, but hey... s'up here?

Wouldn't have hurt to send out a cosmic 'sh*t howdi' to John, eh?

What do you mean, HC? Just missed what you were saying. Just clarifying...

Are you saying that on the 9th he only wished Sean a Happy Birthday & didn't say anything to John?

[Hari's Chick]

Yeah. Nothing to John. And also, there seems to be that Julian has Sean in his top... Sean has Yoko and Julian, Yoko has Sean..... Ummm... where is John in ANY of their top five? So I checked and seems they may not have up an "Official" John webpage. Maybe Yoko is more or less 'giving the priveledge' over to John's fans as a collective which is cool... but there needs to be one Official John page so he can be in the family top five at MySpace.

[Asha]

Ahhh, thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, well, maybe Jules didn't say anything about it being Dad's b-day just because... well... I don't know. My dad hasn't been gone as long as John, but I don't usually put out any public Happy Birthday Dad either. It's not that I don't think about it or anything... Maybe it's something Julian just keeps to himself?

& yeah, I haven't found an official John page. It would be nice if there was one. I'd add him then! haha!!! :) I wonder why someone hasn't taken that on. Hmmm...

[Hari's Chick]

Yeah. I am sure Yoko has good intentions, but at any rate, in the bigger picture, John needs to be in (at least) Yoko and Sean's top five...

Maybe Julian has hurt feelings which prevent his wishing John happy bday, I dunno. I guess it's all up to what you value, down to where you are... :wink1: John was also contending with so much. I haven't really followed their story at all. I did think before John passed though he was reaching out to Julian, wasn't he? I think so?

[Asha]

Yeah. I am sure Yoko has good intentions, but at any rate, in the bigger picture, John needs to be in (at least) Yoko and Sean's top five...

Maybe Julian has hurt feelings which prevent his wishing John happy bday, I dunno. I guess it's all up to what you value, down to where you are... :wink1: John was also contending with so much. I haven't really followed their story at all. I did think before John passed though he was reaching out to Julian, wasn't he? I think so?

I think so. I believe Julian was planning on spending time with his father in 1981... I can't remember the details now, but yeah. So sad...

[hibgal]

Maybe Julian has hurt feelings which prevent his wishing John happy bday, I dunno.

I'm sorry but, I find it a very STRANGE, not to say macabre, custom of congratulating a dead person on his birthday. It makes perfect sense to me to NOT do it, regardless of your feelings for that person when he or she was alive. I would never think of doing that myself for anyone I've known and loved so certainly can't blame Julian for not doing it either. It doesn't show any disrespect or mean you didn't appreciate that person, you know?

As to an official John Lennon page, I sort of thought Yoko owns all rights to John's name?, whatever, so it could only be she, not somebody else, who put up such a page, if desired.

[Legs]

I'm sorry but, I find it a very STRANGE, not to say macabre, custom of congratulating a dead person on his birthday. It makes perfect sense to me to NOT do it, regardless of your feelings for that person when he or she was alive. I would never think of doing that myself for anyone I've known and loved so certainly can't blame Julian for not doing it either. It doesn't show any disrespect or mean you didn't appreciate that person, you know?


Exactly, it doesn't say anything on how Julian feels about his father.
Nothing against the birthday topic for John that gets posted here every year but I never know wheter I should say something or not. It feels strange to me also.

[Kelli]

Exactly, it doesn't say anything on how Julian feels about his father.
Nothing against the birthday topic for John that gets posted here every year but I never know wheter I should say something or not. It feels strange to me also.

I sort of see what you're saying, but I think this might have something to do with the fact that John is gone, and for a lot of current fans (including myself), he's been gone their whole lives. Birthday threads and things like that are a way to thank him for all he's done. For me, it feels good to say that stuff even if he's not around to "hear" it.
What else can we do?

[hibgal]

Birthday threads and things like that are a way to thank him for all he's done.

I don't diss that, Kelli, but think of it this way: What if it was YOUR dad rather than somebody you never really knew? Would you celebrate YOUR dad's birthday after he was gone? Would you go to his grave and wish him happy returns? To me, time stopped for that person when he died so how can he has a 68th birthday or whatever? He really can't, can he? Because, as you said, he's not here anymore. :nono3:

[mari]

No, I don't have him listed on my list of fave musicians, but that's only because I love about 3294872302 bands! I can't put all of them on my MySpace. I have him added as a friend because I do support his work & enjoy his music. He may not be in my top 10, but I like to know what he's up to, etc.

Exactly.


And yeah, that part about the Beatles and Yoko and Ringo "not existing anymore"....whu? That is strange. A) Sure, The Beatles aren't recording anymore, but their music still exists. B) Yoko and Ringo ARE still making music, so it doesn't make any sense.


Peace and love to you, Jules.

[Hari's Chick]

I understand those of you who feel uncomfy wishing people happy birthday, those who have passed on, that is. You gotta go with what you are comfy with. If it sets wrong with you to do, you shouldn't do it?

In Krishna consciousness the birthday is actually refered to as someone's 'appearance day' and similarly the day of passing on is the 'disappearance day.' Yes, John's soul took a body on October 9, 1940... and how lucky for all of us!

I wish him well and send him good vibes personally because I believe he is open to receive our good vibes and love in his astral body state. So at least for me, it is direct and real and receivable by John. Guruji has told us our loved ones are just as present after passing on as they are when here and when you think of them and send them love, they receive it. John took off his body suit but I still want him to have a groovy astral day and it's cool to think of everyones sending those wishes out- it would be this huge wave of love felt by him on the other side. Really nice as a little appreciation, I think. :smile1:

[Kelli]

I don't diss that, Kelli, but think of it this way: What if it was YOUR dad rather than somebody you never really knew? Would you celebrate YOUR dad's birthday after he was gone? Would you go to his grave and wish him happy returns? To me, time stopped for that person when he died so how can he has a 68th birthday or whatever? He really can't, can he? Because, as you said, he's not here anymore. :nono3:

I know what you mean, and for Julian, it's quite possible that he feels that way. For the fans, though, it's a different kind of "relationship". Maybe it's not so much celebrating the person's birthday as it is a special day to think of them and remember them.

[Kelli]

I wish him well and send him good vibes personally because I believe he is open to receive our good vibes and love in his astral body state. So at least for me, it is direct and real and receivable by John. Guruji has told us our loved ones are just as present after passing on as they are when here and when you think of them and send them love, they receive it. John took off his body suit but I still want him to have a groovy astral day and it's cool to think of everyones sending those wishes out- it would be this huge wave of love felt by him on the other side.

I really like this idea. Thanks for sharing!

[BeatleGuy]

Julian comes off as a well meaning but very insecure sensitive person judging from his blogs and it's so sad that he still harbors a strong resentment toward his father who was brutally murdered 28 yrs ago. John was the first to admit his own human frailities.


I remember reading one of Julian's blogs back around January where he mentioned he was very depressed to the point he would only get out of bed to have his meals and chose to spend the holidays last year totally alone. Hope he finds true inner peace within himself.

[hibgal]

And yeah, that part about the Beatles and Yoko and Ringo "not existing anymore"....whu? That is strange. A) Sure, The Beatles aren't recording anymore, but their music still exists. B) Yoko and Ringo ARE still making music, so it doesn't make any sense.

I don't think he meant it like that, it just came out a bit wrong. He commented on the last part - Beatles, the group, obviously, not the music - as not existing anymore, not that Yoko or Ringo doesn't exist anymore! So he says, why do you have Beatles as your fave group when they are no longer around as a band? To him, the Beatles are history and he got a point there. Paul says the same thing! Paul says to him the Beatles is a body of work quite separate from what he's doing today so can be viewed by him as separate from himself. If he can do that and he was 1/4 of the band, why shouldn't Julian be doing it?

Also, I've noticed that he expresses himself funny sometimes, perhaps because he's been living in Italy for many years and no longer speak English every day? Or because he's on anti-depressants. Take your pick.

[VersusBatman]

That doesn't make sense. Why should we reserve our favorite bands to ones that are around these days? People like classical music and the guys who composed them have been dead for a long time.

[hibgal]

Well, look at the setup of MySpace. Your "friends" are supposed to be real persons, aren't the? Oh, I know it doesn't always work that way anymore but that was the intention from the start, certainly? An online community or why else does it say things like "woman, 36, married, Outer Mongolia" sort of thing? Even when you sign up they want an awful lot of information about you these days (which is why I declined) to prove that you ARE a real person. So, yeah, besides the fact that the Beatles isn't a person but a band, it's a defunct band at that. Whether their music lives on or not, and it does, it doesn't change that fact. Makes perfect sense to me! :nono3:

[VersusBatman]

Hold on, this is what he said:

So he says, why do you have Beatles as your fave group when they are no longer around as a band?

I didn't know he meant the Beatles as a Myspace friend. To me it sounded like he complained that people picked the beatles as a favorite music group.

[FPSHOT]

Julian is doing a beautiful project called Whaledreamers which does not get much attention which is such a pity. If people would invest a few minutes then they would smile at what he did in that

http://www.whaledreamers.com/

[VersusBatman]

Unfortunatly, my internet loses connection when i try to open that link.

[FPSHOT]

I'm sorry about that. It works fine with me though..

[FPSHOT]

Just visited Julian's page and his blog on 10/9 was "it's his day" and wishes to Sean.... only. I have not followed the Julian/John dynamics much, but hey... s'up here?

Wouldn't have hurt to send out a cosmic 'howdi' to John, eh?

People do have opinions about Julian's words so quickly huh...but I agree HC, I am watching his blogs but do not see this message anywhere....are we the only ones who even clicked on the link? :laugh5:

Apart from that...if Julian ever wrote this and maybe deleted it...he does have a point in my opinion. There are people at Myspace who add 'everyone' as a friend.. which I find odd. For a band or artist to have hundreds of 'friends' listed that is quite normal I believe, but it seems Julian did some research and found hardly anyone even mentions him. I can see his point of view on that.

But...for the moment I have not even seen that blog...so....where is it?

[FPSHOT]

I understand those of you who feel uncomfy wishing people happy birthday, those who have passed on, that is. You gotta go with what you are comfy with. If it sets wrong with you to do, you shouldn't do it?

In Krishna consciousness the birthday is actually refered to as someone's 'appearance day' and similarly the day of passing on is the 'disappearance day.' Yes, John's soul took a body on October 9, 1940... and how lucky for all of us!

I agree. What i feel with a "day of birth" from someone who has passed on is to treasure and remember it and I do no longer call it a celebration day but 'the day of birth' or 'appearance day' in English probably yeah.

[FPSHOT]

The blogs I see on Julian's page are quite positive.

Here is a nice one
30 Sep 2008

Mmm................. ;-)
Current mood: Happy/Sad x

Well, I just had the absolute pleasure of Mum staying with me over the past 3 weeks & I have to say, it was one of the nicest times we've ever spent together. Relaxed, calm, joyful & the occasional day trips to local markets etc... etc...
We spent many a late hour talking about our history & became closer because of it. As we were talking about our family history, it became clear to both of us, that we'd never really resaerched Mum's side of the family, her background, her history. So, I decided to start looking into it personally on a geneology website. I found a few things about Mum's family history, but not a great deal. Here maiden name was 'Powell' & her Mother's 'Roby', but as I've mentioned, very difficult to find out any history on her side. If anyone has any info on this, I really would like to hear about it & be able to pass it on to Mum! I'd like to put a FamilyTree together for her, as a belated Birthday present.
Aside from that, over the last few days, we sat & listened to the album a few times, which was the 1st time Mum had really heard it. I'm happy to say, she wasn't disappointed...... Phew!
Sadly, I had to drive her to the airport today & saying goodbye was very, very tough!!!!
Well, I have a feeling we're going to make sure we both try to see a lot more of each other.
Life is too short....
Best wishes to all, just wanted to give you a mini update & will give you info re: the album, as & when I have something.
Until then...
Treat others the way you wish to be treated, hopefully with Love & Kindness.
x

[hibgal]

are we the only ones who even clicked on the link? :laugh5:

Actually, I did http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/hibgal/ike.gif and they've been removed. If anyone thought Julian got negative comments HERE you should've seen the flack he got at MySpace. Yesterday's blog got so much bad press that today's was titled WHOA!!! He then went on to explain pretty much what you said, FP, about his "friends" and what they were up to on THEIR pages. Perhaps I should've saved it? :thinker:

[FPSHOT]

LOL really?

people and opinions huh... well if he did get so much critical remarks back from "friends" then the point he made is proven to be correct.

[FPSHOT]

Maybe Ringo called him....

[hibgal]

LOL! Actually, there were quite a few nice responses too. Some were like Oh You rascal, you! kinda things. Some thought him funny, You crack me up, like that, and others were trying to cheer him up, with comments such as Don't feel bad, Julian, WE love you! He go the whole range of human emotions, I swear! HOW John would've laughed!!!

[Rellevart]

Even when you sign up they want an awful lot of information about you these days (which is why I declined)

Really? I just had to give them an e-mail address, everything else on my profile is phoney, it doesn't have my real name, age...oh wait, I think it does say I'm from Chicago, but that's about it.

Anyway, regarding Julian, I wasn't putting him down, it's just that you can't stress over stuff like where you are on somebody's friends list, it's meaningless. Like I'm the 8th "top friend" on my favorite band's myspace...because they need to list the band's other project's spaces and the needy fans who'll get upset if they're not "top" before me and that's perfectly fine with me. *I* know where I stand, I don't need myspace to validate my importance. :smile1:

[Asha]

I wish him well and send him good vibes personally because I believe he is open to receive our good vibes and love in his astral body state. So at least for me, it is direct and real and receivable by John. Guruji has told us our loved ones are just as present after passing on as they are when here and when you think of them and send them love, they receive it. John took off his body suit but I still want him to have a groovy astral day and it's cool to think of everyones sending those wishes out- it would be this huge wave of love felt by him on the other side. Really nice as a little appreciation, I think. :smile1:


Oh I totally believe John is out there & feels our love & good wishes. But you know, who knows what or how Julian believes. & even if he doesn't do it publicly, who's to say he's not doing it privately, ya know? He could be & we just don't know about it. :blush4:

[VersusBatman]

Really? I just had to give them an e-mail address, everything else on my profile is phoney, it doesn't have my real name, age...oh wait, I think it does say I'm from Chicago, but that's about it.

Anyway, regarding Julian, I wasn't putting him down, it's just that you can't stress over stuff like where you are on somebody's friends list, it's meaningless. Like I'm the 8th "top friend" on my favorite band's myspace...because they need to list the band's other project's spaces and the needy fans who'll get upset if they're not "top" before me and that's perfectly fine with me. *I* know where I stand, I don't need myspace to validate my importance. :smile1:
That's how i feel. I think julian is making a big deal out of nothing.

[FPSHOT]

I don't believe what Julian wrote was about the position on a friend's list.

[hibgal]

Neither do I! Why so negative about Julian, people? Haven't you ever wondered why person A or B or 22490C wants to be your friend? What those "friends" boil down to are LINKS to their OWN pages and has nothing to do with YOU! Getting listed on somebody famous MySpace is a boost for the person who gets added, just like those link exchanges of old. THEY get traffic from people that go to visit JULIAN's site. Every time they leave a comment, THEY are more visible. The LEAST they could do for the increased traffic is to say we love your music or your taste in antiques or whatever! It doesn't surprise me in the least that it irritates Julian. It would irritate me no end too!

[Hari's Chick]

I really like this idea. Thanks for sharing!

Glad you like! You're very welcome! :teeth1: