The keen eyes of Brian Epstein..

[JCB410]

Hi all & happy Beatleing once again!

In being pretty immersed in what I have of
"The Beatles Anthology", I've been noticing
more of what I like to call "the keen eyes
of Brian Epstein"... the reason I say this
is that it seems to me that Brian *truly*
cared about the welfare and well being of
"the lads" to the point where if you watch
him closely at "live" shows, it almost looks
as though he's not only being there as
manager, but acts like he's even a bit "the bodyguard" also IMO. Do you agree with me there? And taking this concept even further,
might you feel as I do that because of that
kind of caring--(or even overly concern) on
Brian's part, that could have been a signifi-
cant element to Brian's tragic passing??
(all that pressure,etc...?) something to
ponder and something that also may
have been overlooked all this time IMHO.

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--JC--

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[lisa465]

I agree with you, JCB. He's watching him all the time. He loved them, for sure.
Lisa

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[Danoota64]

I believe, once the boys stopped touring (he always refered to them as 'the boys'), he was needed less and less by them. No tours to plan, no travel plans to make, no hotels to book, no press conferences to set up, etc. They spent so much time in the studio where he was not exactly welcomed. After being so close to them for five solid years, this must have been very hard for him to take. He saw less and less of them and i'm sure that made him sad. He seemed to be very insecure anyway and this didn't help. I've read Ray Coleman's book on Brian and it is very detailed. He was a very lonely man. The weekend he died, when the Beatles had first travelled to see the Maharishi, some plans he'd made had fallen through. He drove back home and probably just wanted to sleep the night away, and unfortunately, he overdosed.


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[FiendishThingie]

Yeah, I think you're right Danoota!

I believe Brian did care very much about the lads themselves & remember that he did mold them into the "fab four". He really nurtured them & got them ready to take off. He knew how to market them & everything else. He really helped in finalizing the creation.

The problem was, it was what Brian saw in them & the four of them just weren't that, nor could they be that all the time. I mean, it was like living in a box & I think they needed to break free of that as individuals. Brian couldn't control them & make them stay in that box.

I think he may have felt he was losing them somehow. Without them touring, I agree, that had an affect where Brian probably wasn't needed as much. Also, he didn't need to promote them any more. They were already HUGE! Maybe it just all added to his loneliness & maybe he felt he wasn't needed. Sad...

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[JCB410]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted By FiendishThingie:
[B]Yeah, I think you're right Danoota!

I believe Brian did care very much about the lads themselves & remember that he did mold them into the "fab four". He really nurtured them & got them ready to take off. He knew how to market them & everything else. He really helped in finalizing the creation.

JC-- Agreed there, and that was my original
point partially...

The problem was, it was what Brian saw in them & the four of them just weren't that, nor could they be that all the time. I mean, it was like living in a box & I think they needed to break free of that as individuals. Brian couldn't control them & make them stay in that box.

JC-- I think I know what you're saying here
FT, and though I agree with it mostly, I'm not sure if the issue was down to "complete
control" in Brian's case-- or at least the
point I'm making is that I think his concern
and caring may have been overlooked, regard-
less of all things "professional".

I think he may have felt he was losing them somehow. Without them touring, I agree, that had an affect where Brian probably wasn't needed as much. Also, he didn't need to promote them any more. They were already HUGE! Maybe it just all added to his loneliness & maybe he felt he wasn't needed. Sad...

JC-- Certainly sad. But what I'm just very
sad about myself in terms of Brian, is not so much the thought process of them not
needing him as much as they used to,etc. it's the "deep down" caring & "bodyguard-like" concern that I think they may have
never really noticed to begin with perhaps
and it just might be that very thing that was to unbearable for him to deal with.

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--JC--



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"They used us as an
excuse to go mad"--
George Harrison.

[Magill]

I often wondered if Brian's unrequited love for John added to his depression. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/thinker.gif
I think you're right Danoot. Must've been hard to find these "diamonds in the rough", so to speak, nurture and groom them and then watch them grow in such enormous celebrities.
I have much respect for that man for having such a keen eye http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif. And yes, he did watch them like a hawk. You could see that on film. He must've felt a huge responsibility for their well being since he played such a huge part revealing them to the world.

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She was a da-a-ay tripper, one way ticket yeah!

[FiendishThingie]

Right JC! I agree! Sometimes I just don't know how to say what I mean!

Nicely put, too, Magill!

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"Music always had a transcendental quality inasmuch as it reaches parts of you that you don't expect it to reach. And it can touch you in a way that you can't express. You can think that it hasn't reached you and years later you'll find it coming out." George Harrison

[Tim]

Brian was scared of losing them as IIRC the contractw as almost up...also,by that time,Stigwood had been in NEMS with newer acts,whom,when Brian didn't feel like selling the whole thing to Robert Stigwood,left with him to form RSO.
The only other Liverpool artiste left with the Beatles was Cilla Black,and I don't think she needed Brian as much either....

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[Clark Kent]

After The Beatles stopped touring, Epstein wasn't really needed all that much. The Beatles relied more on George Martin more. I think(certainly in Lennon's eyes) that when Epstein died a vital sense of direction was lost.

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[Sgt.McCartney]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By lisa465:
I agree with you, JCB. He's watching him all the time. He loved them, for sure.
Lisa

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More so to John



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[lennon4]

I read somewhere, I think in "Lennon Remembers", that John truely believed that Brian commited suicide. That the feeling of not being needed and such overtook him.

John said he also felt somewhat responsible for that because he'd introduced Brian to pills, which is, of course, how he died.

Poor John...he always felt guilty for someone's death.

-lennon4

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