PDA

View Full Version : penny lane will keep its name


instant karla
Jul 08, 2006, 02:10 PM
Penny Lane of Beatles song fame to keep its name despite ties to slavery

8, 2006 - 11:00 am

By: KATIE FRETLAND

LONDON (AP) - Penny Lane will keep its name.

Liverpool officials said Saturday they would modify a proposal to rename streets linked to the slave trade when they realized the road made famous by the 1967 Beatles song was one of them.

The unassuming suburban street was named after James Penny, a wealthy 18th century slave ship owner. Liverpool, the Beatles' northern English hometown, was once a major hub for the slave trade.

"I don't think anyone would seriously consider renaming Penny Lane," said city council member Barbara Mace, who has been pressing to get rid of names linked to slavery. "My proposal is to rename several of the streets and to replace them with the names of people who have done something positive."

Eric Lynch, 74, who gives tours focused on the history of Liverpool's involvement in the slave trade, said renaming any streets or squares would be a "disgraceful attempt to change history."

"It's like somebody in Germany deciding to bulldoze Auschwitz," Lynch said. "Like somebody deciding not to celebrate D-Day. If we don't know the past how can we make sure we don't make the same mistakes? Are the monuments to the Irish famines going to go next?"

"You cannot and should not change history, however disagreeable it is," he added.

Mace denied that it was an attempt to rewrite history. "You can't," she said. "Liverpool's whole history is based on the slave trade. That's on the history books."

The 90-member council plans to talk Wednesday about a plan to rename several central Liverpool streets named after notorious slave traders.

Some want instead to honour Anthony Walker, a black teenager murdered with an axe in a July 2005 racial attack. Others suggest renaming streets for activists who fought for the abolition of slavery.

Liverpool was an important port of call for slave ships travelling between Africa and the Americas, and during the second half of the 18th century, much of the city's economy was based on the trade.

BeatlesFan4life
Jul 08, 2006, 03:04 PM
That's a great article. Thanks for posting it.

62hofner
Jul 09, 2006, 09:38 AM
I was just about to post, but you beat me to it...

I am happy that they will not be changing the name! For one thing, you can't erase history - no matter how unpopular or "non-PC" the connection may be. But more importantly, of course, you can't eradicate the namesake of a Beatles song! :thumbu2:

sadie
Jul 10, 2006, 05:21 AM
I agree.

Where i originate from is a port city and has a horrific slave trade history, infact there is a road called Blackboy Hill and at the top is Whiteladies Road, the local authority wanted to change the name of Blackboy Hill for the same reason but the black population asked that it stayed as a reminder of what should never happen again.

62hofner
Jul 10, 2006, 10:31 AM
I agree.

Where i originate from is a port city and has a horrific slave trade history, infact there is a road called Blackboy Hill and at the top is Whiteladies Road, the local authority wanted to change the name of Blackboy Hill for the same reason but the black population asked that it stayed as a reminder of what should never happen again.

I'm glad that reasonable minds prevail from time to time.

lennonluvr9
Jul 11, 2006, 06:49 AM
Interesting article. I didnt even know Penny Lane's name was in danger of being changed. I do agree that changing the names seems a little like trying to cover up what happened in the past.

loup-garou
Jul 11, 2006, 07:08 AM
Very interesting article. And I agree that the street names be kept, what good is it having a past if we don't have it as a reminder of our mistakes so we can learn from them?

LysergicAcid
Jul 17, 2006, 07:32 PM
I’m glad they’re keeping the names too. Sadly there doesn’t seem much hope Ringos birthplace in Madryn Street will be saved. The area is set for demolition and with it goes a serious piece of Beatle and Liverpool history.
Then these are the actions of a council who saw fit to demolish the original Cavern Club in the early 70's.
I’m just thankful the National Trust owns Paul and Johns houses.

beatles fan
Jul 18, 2006, 02:57 AM
It's ashame the national trust didn't take George and Ringo's aswell! thats annoying! Luckily I went to see ringo's house! I still hope it doesn't get demolished though!

erinluv182
Jul 19, 2006, 09:59 AM
I agree.

Where i originate from is a port city and has a horrific slave trade history, infact there is a road called Blackboy Hill and at the top is Whiteladies Road, the local authority wanted to change the name of Blackboy Hill for the same reason but the black population asked that it stayed as a reminder of what should never happen again.

Good for them! They have embraced the importance of history, which is if we do not learn from our past we are destined to repeat it. Trying to shush things and just keep things quiet is ingorance, plain and simple. Is it cool that the slave trader has been honored by having a street named after him? No, but I don't even think some Scousers know why it's named Penny Lane, cause when we visited we were told it was named after pennies, not the trader.

Cardboard.canvas
Jul 19, 2006, 01:15 PM
I have one word: hooray