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twovirgins
May 08, 2006, 06:09 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/britain_apple_vs__apple;_ylt=AgMGHtGfJiLi0xmaEWdMm W2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
LONDON - Apple Computer Inc. is entitled to use the apple logo on its iTunes Music Store, a judge ruled Monday, rejecting a suit filed by Apple Corps Ltd., the guardian of The Beatles' commercial interests.



Apple Corps, which claimed that the computer company had broken a 1991 agreement in which each side agreed not to enter into the other's field of business, said it would appeal.

Judge Edward Mann of Britain's High Court ruled that Apple Computer used the fruit logo in association with the store, not the music, and thus did not breach the agreement.

"I conclude that the use of the apple logo ... does not suggest a relevant connection with the creative work," Mann said in his written judgment. "I think that the use of the apple logo is a fair and reasonable use of the mark in connection with the service, which does not go further and unfairly or unreasonably suggest an additional association with the creative works themselves."

Though Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs said he was "glad to put this disagreement behind us," the case appears far from over. Neil Aspinall, the manager of Apple Corps, said his company would immediately appeal.

"We felt that during the course of the trial we clearly demonstrated just how extensively Apple Computer has broken the agreement," Aspinall said in a statement.

Apple Computer has sold more than 1 billion songs through the iTunes Music Store, which is available throughout Europe as well as in the United States, Canada, Australia and Japan. Though there are more than 3 million tracks available for purchase in the U.S. — and 2 million in Britain — there are no Beatles' songs listed. The band's catalog is not available on iTunes.

In his brief statement, Jobs said he hoped the ruling would help rectify that situation: "We have always loved the Beatles, and hopefully we can now work together to get them on the iTunes Music Store."

Lawyers for Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple Computer had argued that the company was conducting its business legally and consumers are smart enough to tell the difference between the logos. Apple Corps uses a shiny green apple as its logo, while Apple Computer has a cartoon-like apple with a neat bite taken out.

Lawyers for each side tussled during the hearing over advertisements for iTunes featuring musical acts U2, Eminem and Coldplay, using the logo. The judge confessed early on that he owned an iPod.

The 1991 agreement ended previous lengthy litigation over the logo. Apple Computer told the court that it paid the Fab Four's company $26.5 million as part of the 1991 out-of-court settlement, and in return had received "a considerably expanded field of use." The terms of the deal were kept confidential at the time.

Mann refused Apple Computer's application for an immediate interim payment of 1.5 million pounds ($2.8 million) from Apple Corps toward its legal costs, pending further hearings. Apple Corps faces a similar bill for its own legal expenses.

While the case may have seemed glamorous because of the litigants, it really came down to the interpretation of a contract — the 1991 agreement — said Jonathan Riley, an intellectual property lawyer with London firm Lawrence Graham.

"It was watched with interest, but also some distance, because I don't think it's hugely significant for either the computer industry or the music industry," he said.

Apple Corps was started by the Beatles in 1968 and is still owned by Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, the widow of John Lennon and the estate of George Harrison. Apple Computer was formed in 1976, when college dropouts Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak filed partnership papers on April Fools' Day.

Zimmerman The Gnome
May 08, 2006, 08:03 AM
Yawn! Does it really make a huge difference to anyone??? What a waste of legal time and money.

beatlebangs1964
May 08, 2006, 08:25 AM
And this impacts on people's lives how?

Asha
May 08, 2006, 09:21 AM
I think the logos are different so I don't know why the Beatles keep fighting this stuff. We all know about Apple Corp & Apple Computers. I think Steve knows to watch what he does & how he does it. But, then, it would be cool to have the Beatles breathing down your neck! :laugh5:

LovinLennon909
May 08, 2006, 10:29 AM
It was a stupid idea for Steve Jobs to name his company after another well-known company. It was inviting stupid legal battles like the ones Apple Corps. and Apple Computers have had.

Georgie Girl
May 08, 2006, 11:21 AM
What about these guys?

http://xataka.com/archivos/images/apple_microsoft_logos.jpg

I think I can see the difference
between the Apple Corps logo
and this one, can't you?

beatles fan
May 08, 2006, 11:45 AM
What about these guys?

http://xataka.com/archivos/images/apple_microsoft_logos.jpg

I think I can see the difference
between the Apple Corps logo
and this one, can't you?

Yep someone felt hungry whilst thinking up the microsoft logo, they must have just had dinner with Apple logo!! :teeth1:

Georgie Girl
May 08, 2006, 11:50 AM
A little unoriginal, I'd say. :rolleyes:

beatles fan
May 08, 2006, 11:53 AM
A little unoriginal, I'd say. :rolleyes:

lol, yep i never have idea's of my own i just steal them!! i can't be original now!! not in my nature!!! :devious:

BeatlesFan4life
May 08, 2006, 12:40 PM
It was a stupid idea for Steve Jobs to name his company after another well-known company. It was inviting stupid legal battles like the ones Apple Corps. and Apple Computers have had.

I agree with LovinLennon 909 about this topic.

62hofner
May 08, 2006, 01:19 PM
Well, the Apple computer's apple is a Macintosh... and the Apple Corp.'s apple is a Granny Smith...

So, there yuh go! They're different enough! Hardy-har-har! :laugh5:

Dr. Dreamer
May 08, 2006, 01:37 PM
I don't know... you could get Granny Smith's and MacIntosh's mixed up. Somebody needs to change theirs to an orange apple then you can't compare apples to orange...apples? :laugh2: I know it's a long way to tell a silly joke but it's about as sensilbe as this silly, silly lawsuit IMO! :smile1:

AMBOISVERT
May 08, 2006, 01:44 PM
When Apple Computer was started, Apple Corp was so deep in litigation that I don't think anyone ever thought it was likely to resurface. I love Apple records, and every time I see the label in use again, it makes me happy in a very nice way, but I am with Steve Jobs on this one: Get over it and work together.

Tony

HMVNipper
May 08, 2006, 02:04 PM
I know it's a long way to tell a silly joke but it's about as sensilbe as this silly, silly lawsuit IMO! :smile1:

I dunno, you'd think that people would have had enough of silly lawsuits....but I look around me and I see it isn't so! :wink1:

Asha
May 08, 2006, 02:54 PM
I dunno, you'd think that people would have had enough of silly lawsuits....but I look around me and I see it isn't so! :wink1:

:laugh5: Good one, Nipper!

Some people wanna fill the world with silly lawsuits! & what's wrong with that?

Eee... naw, I wish there were less, actually! :teeth1:

AMBOISVERT
May 08, 2006, 02:56 PM
here we go... agaiiiiiin.

See_How_They_Run
May 08, 2006, 03:32 PM
i dont know all the facts....but I heard that they are going to appeal....I have an iPod....id love to see more music on there...but you dont mess with the Beatles and get away that easily!

.Psychedelic.Stars.
May 08, 2006, 04:08 PM
Not suprised really.

rubbersoulster_mel
May 08, 2006, 05:29 PM
But, then, it would be cool to have the Beatles breathing down your neck! :laugh5:
I second that emotion. :laugh5: If a person had to be sure by anybody, I suppose that would be the way to go.

62hofner
May 08, 2006, 05:30 PM
I don't know... you could get Granny Smith's and MacIntosh's mixed up. Somebody needs to change theirs to an orange apple then you can't compare apples to orange...apples? :laugh2: I know it's a long way to tell a silly joke but it's about as sensilbe as this silly, silly lawsuit IMO! :smile1:

Wasn't the "All Things Must Pass" Apple label originally orange-hued?
:thinker:

62hofner
May 08, 2006, 05:31 PM
I dunno, you'd think that people would have had enough of silly lawsuits....but I look around me and I see it isn't so! :wink1:

"Bravo!" on that one.

pepperland67
May 09, 2006, 07:34 AM
It'd be nice if they both could find a way to work together from this point on.

AMBOISVERT
May 09, 2006, 08:11 AM
That's exactly the hope expressed by the New York Times editorial page this morning. I was surprised to see the dispute merit this kind of attention. There was a great little quip about Apple corps primary achievement as a business being to generate staggering amounts of litigation in its 36 year history.

Tony

By the way, the LET IT BE label featured a red apple, presumably red delicious. PLASTIC ONO BAND featured some sort of poisonous looking albino apple, that reminded me of Snow White.

I am the Paulrus
May 12, 2006, 01:01 PM
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beatlebangs1964
May 12, 2006, 01:12 PM
You'd think the world would have had enough of silly law suits,
it's crazy but it happens all the time.

You could do this to the tune of "Silly Love Songs."

Exis_Beat
May 24, 2006, 09:29 AM
Hey, if it means a massive heartless computer corporation like Apple will be making slightly less moulah (compared to the stratospherical amount it's making, that is), then fight on I say!

Bottom line though: Petty Capitalist bollocks. Newer Bluer Meanies indeed!