yoko good or bad????????

[rellington]

i like most ive heard dont really care for yokos art or music. but i have come to believe that actually saved his life. its obvious by now how much she meant to him so ive come to accept the fact that she is what he really needed. i was at a beatlefest a while back and they literally could not give away yoko or sean autographed items. people won them as prizes and asked for some other item instead-most accepted a poster. any thoughts?????

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[bearkat77]

I'm really not that keen on Yoko, but the press have dogged her since she met John back in 1966. I believe she was probably what John needed in his life and that since she was different, the media really hyped it up.
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I agree, absolutely - I think it would be awesome to have an autograph from anyone who was in some way related to or involved with the Beatles.

[jami]

I'd love an autograph from her.She's done so much for John's legacy, and I think it's wonderful! I hate the way the media bad-mouth's her....what's the point? She didn't break up the Beatles by any means. Of course it was a little annoying to always watch her up John's rear,(and to me her voice sucks)but really, if John wanted it that way, why should any of that really matter to anyone else? When I went to see the Lennon exhibit a while back at the Hall Of Fame, the guys over there said that she was the nicest person. They said she was so easy to deal with. So, I think Yoko was what John needed back then, and for us Lennon fans now, she's what we need to have his legacy carried out. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

[Dominic]

I think John needed someone stable and loving - not someone who would suggest he goes off with her secretary, amoungst other things. To be honest, I think the best thing about Yoko was her art.

[rellington]

you all make some good sense. my biggest wonder is why the strange relationship with Julian? i have a copy of Johns will and i see no provison for Julian and all the interviews and info i have seen point to his getting screwed big time. anyone know more??? all i hear is that she dried up his financial resources after Johns death.

ps-i think he sounds sooooo much like John!!!

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[FPSHOT]

Yoko is fine with me too. I never understood why everyone was so upset with her. Yes, it looked a little silly she sitting there at the Let It Be sessions. But it pleased John and if the others were really so unpleasant about it they should have put it forward.

The break-up would have been anyway impo.

After that they were a pretty darn couple. Look at all the solo videos. Always touching eachother, kissing, loving. Let them be or let her be.

The only thing that is a ? is the Julian thing. A pity, but I don't have more details than the interviews.

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[beatlemethisbeatlemethat]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FPSHOT:
Yoko is fine with me too. I never understood why everyone was so upset with her. Yes, it looked a little silly she sitting there at the Let It Be sessions. But it pleased John and if the others were really so unpleasant about it they should have put it forward.

The break-up would have been anyway impo.

After that they were a pretty darn couple. Look at all the solo videos. Always touching eachother, kissing, loving. Let them be or let her be.

The only thing that is a ? is the Julian thing. A pity, but I don't have more details than the interviews.

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I agree! And I think it's sad people rejected her autograph. People act like she is the one that killed John. Nobody deserves the treatment Yoko has gotten. Why should someone get crapped on for being in love?

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[Tim]

The last sessions(i.e. White,Get Back,and Abbey Road) had Yoko not been there John wouldn't have shown up and we wouldn't have these LPs.

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[Pie Man]

It is a good job that she came to those sessions and that those LP's were made.
But it's even better that she didn't sing on 'em.

But then again if she hadn't come there wouldn't have been Revolution 9 which has got to be a good thing!

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[jtal909]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim:
The last sessions(i.e. White,Get Back,and Abbey Road) had Yoko not been there John wouldn't have shown up and we wouldn't have these LPs.

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Do you really believe that?

[rellington]

no idont believe that. ibeleive there may have been another album or two in them or maybe a collaboration later on down the line but yoko and the other three would never have melded to johns satisfaction-toleration is not acceptance....................

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[FPSHOT]

Also her voice has improved over the years. George had almost gone mad after the first concerts doing Don't Worry Kyoko etc. and that is the main reason for John not being at the Bangla Desh Concert. George didn't want screaming Yoko on stage.

Still, as I say, it did improve. During Christmas time e.g. Listen The Snow Is Falling is not so bad.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:

Do you really believe that?[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

jtal,I do beleive he wouldn't have done those sessions without Yoko there. As early as 65/66 John was getting sick of being a Beatle.



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[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rellington:
no idont believe that. ibeleive there may have been another album or two in them or maybe a collaboration later on down the line but yoko and the other three would never have melded to johns satisfaction-toleration is not acceptance....................

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Basically the beatles died during Get Back,and what happened there is no fault of Yoko's. Abbey Road came out well and they were inspired because they KNEW this was the last album.
There were also huge disputes during the White Lp sessions,a lot of which seem to center around Paul more than Yoko.




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[jtal909]

I don't believe Yoko broke up the Beatles. Their problems were much deeper than Yoko. I also do not believe that she prolonged John's Beatledom. If anything, she was more of an influence for him to be an individual. She did, however, create ADDITIONAL tension during those White Album sessions by being in complete disregard of Beatles' protocol by being a presense and even interjecting her opinions of their work.

[darkhorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:
I don't believe Yoko broke up the Beatles. Their problems were much deeper than Yoko. I also do not believe that she prolonged John's Beatledom. If anything, she was more of an influence for him to be an individual. She did, however, create ADDITIONAL tension during those White Album sessions by being in complete disregard of Beatles' protocol by being a presense and even interjecting her opinions of their work.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's my opinion too. I wouldn't reject an autograph coming from her, and I respect her art in the way it has to be respected (as "weird"?). As a songwriter, she writes very poetic lyrics and innovative music (listen to tracks like "Walking On Thin Ice", "I'm Moving on" or "Hard Times Are Over" on "Double Fantasy"), but I don't think her voice is too nice for the average audience. We (the "Apple Scruffs") can stand her maybe because of the fact that he WAS indeed the one who saved and changed John's life (and certainly not the one who broke up The Beatles, as they were going to break up anyway) and because we can understand her role in John's life and music.

But everyday I love her more, because she's still keeping John's memory alive. And that's the best thing she could do. (I started hating her, now I can listen to her songs. Maybe one day I'll buy some of her solo albums http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif)



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I don't really hate Yoko either. She came along at a time in John's life when he was looking for a fresh start. She provided this for him. I do admire her for keeping John's legacy alive. She could have said no to the old demo tapes and then we would not have had "Free As A Bird".
BTW, I do own some of her solo LPs. I haven't listened to them in a while, but when the music for the song is written to fit her voice, it's not bad.

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[jami]

I've never really listened to much of her stuff, but from most of what I've listened to, I haven't liked. I have to say though, I do like the song "Yes, I'm Your Angel" off of Double Fantasy.....but I understand that the tune to that was actually stolen from some old song! I heard there was a law suit of some sort about this. Anyone know anything about this?

[SleepyHead]

Yoko is human, like the rest of us. There are 2 sides to every coin - without the other/opposite side there is no coin. Yoko is probably doing the same thing we all do, taking one day at a time, trying to do the best she can do with what she has available. I do not understand the Julian angle, but let's remember that John's will was signed by John, not Yoko. For reason's we will probably never know, Julian got the shaft as far as inheriting any of his dad's estate. However, even if influenced by Yoko in any degree, John signed the will. That's sad, in my book, but he had his reasons and like it or not, we have to respect his decisions. They are, after all, apparently irreversible.

I've always been dead against Yoko, in almost any degree. It dawned on me during a discussion on one of the other forums that while I've always sought to understand John (both his good side and his bad side), I've never given Yoko that much consideration. If you have the Lennon Anthology, please reread her note in the little booklet. She sounds like a woman in pain, even after all these years. I can only imagine myself in her shoes, having to keep my dead husband's name and voice alive because of who and what he was. Poor Yoko will always have to share his memory - I'm not sure I could be that unselfish.

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[rellington]

OK GUYS -GOTTA SAY THIS. jOHNSIGNED THE WILL??WHO OR HOW ELSE COULD A WILL BE OFFICIATED? i HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT JOHN WAS NEGATIVLEY INFLUENCED BY YOKO.WHY WOULD HE EXCLUDE HIS OWN SON. NEVER READ WHERE HE HAD ILL FEELINGS TOWARD THE BOY.HE HAD PLENTY TO GO AROUND.WHILE I BELEIVE THAT SHE SAVED HIS LIFE I ALSO BELIEVE SHE CONTROLLED IT TO A LARGE EXTENT. AND PAINFUL KEEPING HIS IMAGE GOING? AGAIN IM SURE SHE LOVED HIM BUT WITHOUT KEEPING HIS IMAGE AND LIFE ALIVE HER OWN (CAREER) WOULD BE FOREVER LOST IN A SEA OF "YOKO WHO?" AND SADLY SEANS MUSIC SEEMS TO CARRY HER INFLUENCE WHILE JULIAN APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN BEATEN DOWN BY WHATEVER GHOSTS OR INFLUENCES HES BEEN EXPOSED TO. SHES ALWAYS BEEN A SHREWD BUISNESS PERSON AND AT THIS POINT IN LIFE WHILE WE ARE ANXOIUS FOR ANY BONE THROWN TO US ABOUT THE BOYS LETS REMEMBER THAT TO MANY PEOPLE IT IS JUST A BUSINESS. I DONT THINK ILL CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP TONIGHT OVER POOR YOKO. JUST MY OPINION.

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[Tim]

First,I feel she would have achoieved acclaim without John as an artist as the Fluxus art is now more accepted.

Second, Julian was provided for in the will,there was a dispute on it not being paid out immediately,though he did seem at the time too immature to handle that kind of money.

Third(not a flame),typing in all-caps isnot goos nettiquette it is considered shouting,or else you need your keyboard fixed,the caps lock is jammed...


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[darkhorse]

Ia gree with all the will thing. But, as a favour (and please don't think I'm being too serious here http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif), could you post your future messages writing with "small" letters and not always "capital" letters? You know, it's easier for us to read them. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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[darkhorse]

Wow! Thank you Tim, you said it better than me.

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[rellington]

sorry about the caps guys-ignorance on my part-didnt know and sure didnt mean to insult anyone.

ps: still dont think yoko would be whatever without the boys/johns coattail to ride on.

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[jami]

I agree with Tim on this guys.....Yoko already was a big deal in her art world way before she met John! Of course his money and influence helped along the way.....but so what?? He was her husband! Yoko has already said that of course his "celebrity" helped her career. I also believe that she had the business "smarts" to make their fortune even bigger. That's why John wanted her to handle it all.

[jtal909]

Yoko must have forged John's signature on the will or hypnotized him.

But seriously, we all know what kind of mother/lover influence she had over our poor boy. Of course she is keeping John's legacy alive! What good is it to her not to? Without John, she would be a struggling artist.
And I think Tim has a crush on her.

[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:
Yoko must have forged John's signature on the will or hypnotized him.

But seriously, we all know what kind of mother/lover influence she had over our poor boy. Of course she is keeping John's legacy alive! What good is it to her not to? Without John, she would be a struggling artist.
And I think Tim has a crush on her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think Yoko forged or hypnotized John into signing the will-yes,Julian did not get paid immediately,but he did get his money out of it. The problem being Julian and Sean got a fixed percentage and of course with the age difference the estate would be worth more by the time Sean got to it.

I do not think she would have been a struggling artist-either a successful artist or running a bank. The Ono family are the Rothschilds of Japan(not in terms of money but interms of prestige and influence haing been bankers/financiers for 5 centuries at least).

I do have respect for Yoko,not a crush. I have heard more about the 68 era as i am friendly with 1 of the people who was there at the time,a fromer girlfriend of Paul's.


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[**DONOTDELETE**]

I don't know if this is mentioned anywhere else on the message board (but since everything from the Beatles songs to the Beatles clothes is talked about here, I'm sure it has http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif ), but did anyone hear about how Paul wanted to change the credit of Yesterday from Lennon/McCartney to McCartney/Lennon? Apparently he asked Yoko if it'd be alright and she didn't like it at all, so I guess they're still not getting along even after all these years. Does anyone else find it strange?
A) WHY would he want to change it *35 YEARS* later??
B) Why do Paul and Yoko fight over such stupid things??
C) WHO CARES WHO GETS MORE CREDIT FOR YESTERDAY?????

Just wondering.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim:
I don't think Yoko forged or hypnotized John into signing the will-
I do have respect for Yoko,not a crush. I have heard more about the 68 era as i am friendly with 1 of the people who was there at the time,a fromer girlfriend of Paul's.
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Tim, I was teasing the Yoko supporters here. I was going to say she had Brian killed and even JFK. Now that would have been even funnier. And I was teasing you about having a crush. Just a little good clean fun. I just don't see her as a Saint just because she is the executor of John's estate. I see her as selfish and self-serving. Yes, the Beatles were in the last stages, but she didn't help matters by imposing her presense. And I believe she kept John from many of his friends and worst of all, from nurturing a relationship with Julian.

[jami]

Originally posted by jtal909:
I believe she kept John from many of his friends and worst of all, from nurturing a relationship with Julian.



I understand where you're coming from, but no one can keep anyone from doing anything unless they are literally tied up. John was the bad guy in this if there's going to be one. He's the one who made the final decisions on what he actually did with his life......whether it was good or bad in other peoples eyes.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I think both John AND Yoko were pretty psychotic.

[jtal909]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jami:
Originally posted by jtal909:
I believe she kept John from many of his friends and worst of all, from nurturing a relationship with Julian.

I understand where you're coming from, but no one can keep anyone from doing anything unless they are literally tied up. John was the bad guy in this if there's going to be one. He's the one who made the final decisions on what he actually did with his life......whether it was good or bad in other peoples eyes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point, Jami. However, John had destroyed his ego by years of LSD and Yoko was there to take over. It almost doesn't seem fair.

[rellington]

so if we use this logic the wife who ends up battered deserves what she gets??????because someone can be influenced doesnt make them evil or to blame for all that happens.it makes them weak in a certain area. ive seen women sell there own kids for a fix. are they evil or under the influence?seen many relationships where one person had the other under a spell. John, the boys had and continue to have us under thier spell. she had John. just my opinion.she was his drug of choice.

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[mersyferry]

great posts by everbody!!!!
i've never been a fan of yoko,but then i
don't really think much about her when i think about the beatles.john loved her,great
but i don't really care about her much
(sounds harsh)any way,she is given way too
much attention when it comes to the beatles
she deserves respect as a widow,but thats it
to me

[jtal909]

Well said. After all, she is NOT a Beatle!

[Original Fan]

Amen to that!

[Paul_McCartney2002]

I've sometimes asked my self "What if John had never met Yoko?" and I think "Well we sure would not have had to put up with her 'Singing', if that's what you want to call it."

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hey paul2002, long time no talk. Ive been spreading religion in southeast asia with my church. About yoko all i can say is that i dont like her and she sucks. Whoever Paul dislikes i do too. She wouldnt let him change "yesterday" to mccartney/lennon. she was like Courtney Love before there was a Courtney Love. A widow constantly trying to get famous off her deas husband, I got news for the both of em, it aint gonna work.


that is all.

love always stacey

[SleepyHead]

Wrong, already has worked...EVERYBODY knows who Yoko Ono is, and further more, they knew who she was BEFORE John died.

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[jami]

Exactly!!!! Thank you, Sleepy! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

[BEATLEDORK]

well i dont care!!!!
YOKO=BAD.
though some like yoko for yoko i dont and never shall! Anyway,i saw courtney love and i guess i like her a little bit better than yoko. but I DONT like Yoko. does paul like joko?

I think not!

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[Eleanor_rigby]

Hey everyone! If everyone likes John as much as I do than to think that Yoko was all bad would be to doubt John. You see at first I thought Yoko was loser but feeling that way does no good because John,who I believe was a supremely special person, felt Yoko was special.And that should say more than any of us can.

[joe]

neither.she was johns choice for a mate and the rock world, no the whole world should have accepted it.

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[jtal909]

Yoko is not a loser. She may be many things like most of us, good or bad. She is definitely high profile for marrying John. But again, SHE IS NOT A BEATLE!

[rellington]

shouting jtal909???? no she was not a beatle-but she is a subject of interest for many of us as is the family and friends of all the boys. if you are the in the queens family dont you also have an obligation to conduct yourself in a manner that does not shine poorly on the queen???i mean if you were to get rich by selling swatches of the queens panties wouldnt that be a bit distasteful???i think yoko is a very cheap person. i dont think she will ever have enough money and i dont think she is guided by the thought of keeping jophns image alive as much as her image. but as youve said-shes not a beatle.

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[jtal909]

i think yoko is a very cheap person. i dont think she will ever have enough money and i dont think she is guided by the thought of keeping jophns image alive as much as her image. but as youve said-shes not a beatle.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with that and I am disagreeing with those who believe she is righteous. I don't question her love for John, but I believe her intentions were and are more selfish and financial than of keeping John's image alive. She has everything to gain and nothing to lose by releasing John's music and art.

[Eleanor_rigby]

Point well taken.

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[beatlegirl]

I strongly DISLIKE Yoko I feel she broke up the beatles!She was very controlling & manipulative & always had to have things her way!I think shes BAD!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beatlegirl:
I strongly DISLIKE Yoko I feel she broke up the beatles!She was very controlling & manipulative & always had to have things her way!I think shes BAD!!

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Yoko isn't perfect,but she isn't totally evil. She is human as are we all.
Yoko did not break up the Beatles-neither did Linda(who was just as villified before anyone knew she had cancer).




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[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:

I agree with that and I am disagreeing with those who believe she is righteous. I don't question her love for John, but I believe her intentions were and are more selfish and financial than of keeping John's image alive. She has everything to gain and nothing to lose by releasing John's music and art.

[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
C'mon now,the stuff Yoko has licensed is many times more tasteful than anything Col. Parker put out,such as the infamous Elvis wime.
Maybe Yoko is like that with the image and money because
1)Brian gave the store away(The Beatkes only got 10% of the merchandise during Beatlemainia)
2)Klein was a theif.

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[rellington]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!(i know im yelling this time). how can you even begin to put Linda in the same basket as yoko????totally different. only thing they had in common was that niether one coud carry a note.can not belive anyone sees a similarity between Linda and yoko.

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[Paul_McCartney2002]

Linda was so much better then Yoko in so many ways you can't even count them. When she died the world lost one of it's best people. The best thing about Linda was that she didn't try to make her self the fifth beatle! I'm happy John found his "True" love that's what everyone wants when you get down to it. But you have to qustion that, I mean really she just up and left him one day, and so started the lost weekend. Linda and Paul were together ALL the time. I'm sure that will probobly make some people mad, but it's what I think.

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[darkhorse]

I totally agree. But you don't have to be so hard on Yoko...

She's at least the person that's keeping John's legacy alive. (That was said before in this forum, I know: without her, there wouldn't have been "Free As A Bird, for instance).

She really really loved him, in spite of "The Lost Weekend" thing.

And all that John needed was love.


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[jtal909]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim:
C'mon now,the stuff Yoko has licensed is many times more tasteful than anything Col. Parker put out,such as the infamous Elvis wime.
Maybe Yoko is like that with the image and money because
1)Brian gave the store away(The Beatkes only got 10% of the merchandise during Beatlemainia)
2)Klein was a theif.

As to being cheap,all business people tend to try to do evrything on the cheap.
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has Yoko got to do with Elvis? Just saying that because she is allowing the world to see or hear John's art doesn't make her great. It somehow irritates me that she gets a vote in future Beatle releases or Beatle matters. Give it back to Apple.

[beatlemethisbeatlemethat]

One person cannot break up something that didn't already have problems. I think Yoko was very good for John. She brought out a lot in him. I think she influenced him a lot. I love Cynthia, don't get me wrong, but she did every little thing for John. I don't think she stood up to him either. But Yoko stood up to John. She is a strong woman and I'm sure put John in his place. Yoko was not the Beatles, but she was not the cause of their breakup.

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[Tim]

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[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:

What has Yoko got to do with Elvis? Just saying that because she is allowing the world to see or hear John's art doesn't make her great. It somehow irritates me that she gets a vote in future Beatle releases or Beatle matters. Give it back to Apple.

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How I was trying to illustrate jtal is that Yoko,while you may not agree,has had more of a sense of decency/not exploiting it as do the people at Graceland.
Elvis and the tackiness was used as a comparison.
As to being a director at Apple,she has John's seat on the board and why should John in effect have no one to represent him?




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[Tim]

Paul,Rellivart,
I know Paul is a teen/3rd-4th gen fan,and I assume Rellivart is as well.
I was around in the 70's,and beleive you me,Linda was hated as much as Yoko if not more at times (especially after John died).
Also,Linda was mocked heavily until her death for controlling Paul and for vegetarianism.
Look,I've been a Beatles fan for 25+ years,and I remember how the perceptions of Mistresses Lennon and McCartney were-fans equally blamed both of them for the break up.
I'm saying hoiw things were in the 70s and 80s,before it got out how sick Linda was in '95.


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[darkhorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim:
Well put,Steffie. There were DEEP problems there already.
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That's what I'm talking about. You can talk against Yoko anytime, but you can't blame her for breaking up The Beatles. She was not the only person to blame.




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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorse:
That's what I'm talking about. You can talk against Yoko anytime, but you can't blame her for breaking up The Beatles. She was not the only person to blame.


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That's true, but her being around all the time didn't help to much.



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[jtal909]

Hey Tim. Yoko made a deal with Polygram records to give away John's piano to increase sales of her record? What's up with that?

[rellington]

whats up with that?? does not that single act prove what i said in the beginning? i have to wonder to what extent if any she would keep johns memory alive if it were not profitable for her. and i believe the key word here is "HER"

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[jami]

But the thing about it is, sooooooooo whaaaaaaaat??? She's never denied that she isn't using his name for her own profit! She was his wife......she can do whatever she'd like to do with his money and name. John left it all to her to do as she pleases....if it's keeping his memory alive for us, while making a profit for herself, then so be it! Goody goody for Yoko! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jtal909:
Hey Tim. Yoko made a deal with Polygram records to give away John's piano to increase sales of her record? What's up with that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IIRC John gave this piano to somebody,they lent it to a museum in Liverpool, and he has since sold it.



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[darkhorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul_McCartney2002:
That's true, but her being around all the time didn't help to much.
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That's also right. But that's a whole other topic to discuss... You know, WHO or WHAT really broke up The Beatles? And I really really don't think Yoko was.

And if Yoko was around all the time, it was John who brought her there.

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[SleepyHead]

Yoko didn't break up the Beatles - the Beatles broke up the Beatles, and John was in the vanguard. He never really wanted what the Beatles had become... All he ever really wanted to do was sing and play, the rest was a happy by-product for us, and hell to live with for him.

John always felt different, and every time one of their songs was vaulted to the status of number 1, it more or less made him feel just one of the crowd. The top of the crowd, to be sure, but still just part of the crowd. He was often prouder of the songs that never hit number 1, they played up his non-conformist self-perception.

Don't get me wrong, he wanted number 1's, nobody actually wants to feel unappreciated. However, he felt their no. 1's were pablum. He wanted to send out messages with meaning, and he didn't feel the Beatles were the correct vehicle for that. They had spent too many years crafting songs for the general populace, easy to swallow songs. He wanted songs that made one sit up and take notice... to think.

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[mersyferry]

bottom line,the beatles are the music!!!
what yoko does or puts out in john's memory
is ultimatly of no meaning to us as beatles
fans.if it is good,we will support it,if it
is bad or tacky or stupid we will igmore it
which is the beat way to get the point across
she and linda were important parts of the beatle legacy in a way,but not as important
as john,paul,george or ringo.we shouldn't
let ourselves be wound up about them

[jtal909]

We're just having a friendly, little discussion here.

[rellington]

absolutley. if we werent beatlefreaks none of this would matter to any of us. but when we emerse ourselves into the boys lives the way we have we are bound to be interested and opinionated about most every facet of thier lives. yes the music moves me but it also drives me to try to better understand the genuis behind this most important chapter in all our lives. if it was JUST the music and the music alone i dont think we would be having this conversation. peace.

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[mersyferry]

sorry if i came off as lecturing
was not my intent.just such an interesting
topic.peace and love to you both