Harb, how do I tell a Butcher Cover

[jtal909]

Harb, I have a Yesterday and Today Album from the 60's with trunks on the cover. Is there a way that I can tell if it's a pasteover without trying to rip the cover off?

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[Harbidge]

Of course there is. Just follow this quick and simple step-by-step instructional guide...

<LI>Covers with the "Gold Record Award" seal are not Butchers.

<LI>On the back, lower-right-hand corner is a number. This will usually be a number, 2,3,4,5 or 6 denoting the Capitol Pressing Plant where that album was pressed.

<LI>Lp's must have a "slick" type cover. At that time, the Lp jackets were made in three pieces...
1.Cardboard Jacket
2.Back Slick which raps around to the front of the cover
3.The front slick.

<LI>Sometimes the "Trunk" slick was pasted on sloppily and ended up offset. Then you can see part of the original cover underneath fairly easy.

<LI>If you look close, you can see
the bleed-through of Ringos V-neck shirt.
http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/howtotell.jpg

<LI>Most importantly. You ***MUST*** be able to see the bleed-through of Ringo's black V-Neck shirt or it is NOT a butcher. It is possible that the cover could be so dirty or worn that you may not be able to make that determination.


If you want a clearer image of the V neck then you can see a scan of my 2nd state at http://www.angelfire.com/realm/paraportal/butcher2nd.html . The first pic is the record, the second is the cover enhanced to show Ringo better, and the third is unrelated and I don't own it. (sadly).

Source of info (http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/howtotell.html)


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[Harbidge]

About the numbers on the back, I've heard there are butchers with the numbers 12 and 13 on the back, but if there's any number down there you're in with a chance.

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[HMVNipper]

Okay, Harb, you got me...I have an original "Y&T" WITHOUT the "gold record award" seal, with the proper slick cover, and with the number "3" on the back. I can't tell if it's an unpeeled Butcher Cover...I've tried, and tried, and tried...would the bleed-through be obvious or should I maybe take it to someone to appraise and determine for me? I was given a stack of records by a friend a number of years ago, and his original "Y&T was among the group...along with an original "Let It Be" box set with book, but that's something else again...

Any advice you can give would be appreciated -- if this turns out to be an unpeeled Butcher Cover, it could send my kid to college!!!

HELP!


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[Harbidge]

The bleedthrough of Ringo's V-neck smock is very easy to spot. If you have a look at my 2nd state at http://www.angelfire.com/realm/paraportal/butcher2nd.html you will clearly see it just underneath the title, to the right of the trunk. If you can't see that it's most probably not a 2nd state.

What condition is it in? Because it's only really the mint condition copes that sell big. My copy cost me $299 but it could sell for about $350-$400. Mint copies without shrinkwrap sell for about $600-800, poor copies sell for about $150, and ones still sealed sell for about $1,500.

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[HMVNipper]

Sigh...nope, it's not. Didn't think it was...can't see the bleed-through at all, and I can tell there's only one cover slick. Oh well...thanks for the info, Harb!!

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[jtal909]

Mine has the gold record award stamp. Thanks for the info, Harb.

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[Tim]

The first state(no second cover pasted over) would be much more valueable.

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[Jerry]

This page should answer any and all questions about the butcher album...
http://www.rarebeatles.com/album2/discog/discog.htm

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[bearkat77]

Thanks for the links, Jerry and Harb. You've got me curious. I'll have to have a looksee with mine.

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[ward]

Which cover is worth more? The pasted over and sealed butcher cover, or the original buter cover with no pasted over cover and sealed? Assuming both are in mint condition?

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[Beatleboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By Tim:
The first state(no second cover pasted over) would be much more valueable.

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Yes, and I've yet to see a First State copy with my own eyes. I've seen plenty of pictures of them, but I haven't seen one firsthand. I know when I do, it's going to have a hefty price tag on it.



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[Harbidge]

Quick Price Guide:

1st State Stereo - $20,000 (sealed), $10,000 (opened)
1st State Mono - $12,000 (sealed), $7,000 (opened)

2nd State Stereo - $1,200
2nd State mono - $700

3rd State Stereo - £1,000
3rd state Mono - $500

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