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GeorgieGirl
Jun 06, 2005, 03:34 PM
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What if the Beatles had never found fame ...'

Jun 6 2005

By The Huddersfield Daily Examiner

BRIAN Epstein got the Beatles 22 auditions with record companies.

They recorded 15 tracks for Decca in under an hour on January 1, 1962 before being rushed out of the studio to make way for another band, Brian Poole and the Tremeloes.

Decca's Dick Rowe turned down the Beatles after stating that guitar music "was on the way out". He signed the Tremeloes instead because they were from Essex and would cost less in travelling expences.

Six months later - on this very date, in fact - the Beatles went to Abbey Road studios to audition for George Martin, who was more used to recording The Goons. He was impressed by their musical talent and their Scouse humour.

George Harrison later recalled: "I nearly got killed by the rest of the band on that first trip to Abbey Road when George Martin recorded us.

"Afterwards, he played it back and he said, `Is there anything that you don't like?' I just looked at him and said, `Well, I don't like your tie, for a kick-off.' And the others were like, `Oh no. We're trying to get a record deal here.' But he had a sense of humour."

He also had an ear for a sound that was to make the Beatles the biggest name ever in rock and roll and their music a benchmark for decades to come.

Just think what we might have missed if George Martin hadn't recognised embryo genius 43 years ago today.

No Hey Jude, Sergeant Pepper or speculation about 4,000 holes in Blackburn, Lancashire. All You Need Is Love might have been a sentiment never shared.

And if The Beatles had never found fame, would they still be playing rock and roll? George Harrison would, sadly, have gone, but Lennon would still be alive and an acerbic 65-year-old. Would he still be teamed with McCartney and Ringo, still playing pub gigs around Liverpool?

"Here's a song we wrote a few years ago. Hope you like it, mind, it's all the same if you don't because we're still going to sing it. One, two, three, four ... Well she was just seventeen, you know what I mean, and the way she looked was way beyond compare ..."

Thank goodness for George Martin.

Thank goodness for the music.

beatlegirl9977
Jun 06, 2005, 03:41 PM
And if The Beatles had never found fame, would they still be playing rock and roll? George Harrison would, sadly, have gone...

Oh, come on, that can't just be assumed as easily as that. You know, a good 15 years of tremendous mental and physical stress might make a person more inclined to chain-smoke... without that stress, who knows? It could have made a difference.

sourmilkpinky
Jun 06, 2005, 03:42 PM
exactly what I was thinking :)

Besides there would be so many other variables... But I am so glad we don't have to imagine what life would be like without them.... Thanks for the read GG. Funny actually that there are still articles that try to imagine this scenario

beatlebangs1964
Jun 07, 2005, 06:45 AM
Well said, BG.

I dislike "what ifs" and speculation in general for several reasons. I hate it when people get so worked up about something that never happened and end up taking their anger out on you, e.g. "what if my friend who doesn't have insurance had been driving that truck and got in an accident?!" "What if (fill in the blank for an adversity)?" "You/she/he/I could have been (fill in the blank)!" Although I cognitively understand the rationale for it, I still don't like it.

I also hate the "suppose/what if/what would you do if" because it puts a person on the spot.

The other reason I hate "what ifs" is that my experience has been when somebody is "what iffing" me, they have a dozen reasons why they aren't satisfied with the answer they are given. Like Milk said, there are so many variables in any given issue and thank goodness in re the Beatles we don't have to speculate on this one! Thank goodness they did find fame and we don't have to worry about the "cultural deprivation" we would undoubtedly experience (albeit unknowingly) were that the case.

lennonluvr9
Jun 07, 2005, 08:17 AM
Well i spose if the Beatles never happened, many of us wouldnt know any better....kinda like how did people survive before TV and computers and all that. They did partly cuz they didnt know any better. I wouldnt be all "gee i wish some musical revolution would come along" but also, without the beatles, i'm not sure what i'd do. I guess I'd have to be ultra-obsessed with something else....

GeorgieGirl
Jun 07, 2005, 10:33 AM
It's always interesting to get everyone's bent on articles. I didn't read anything into this one at all, beyond giving George Martin Kudos. I'm just glad whenever I see the Beatles in the news... ;-)

Jongo McHarrison
Jun 07, 2005, 01:57 PM
If the Beatles never existed I don't know whose life would be more different - theirs or mine.

beatlelover45223
Jun 07, 2005, 04:22 PM
It's always interesting to get everyone's bent on articles. I didn't read anything into this one at all, beyond giving George Martin Kudos. I'm just glad whenever I see the Beatles in the news... ;-)

me too GG... I was glad to see someone bring up our guys in the news. :smile1:

HariScruff_00
Jun 08, 2005, 09:07 AM
I for one found the article informative... i had never heard the details about the group that was chosen by Dick Rowe and why. and over travel $$? I kind of feel sorry for that guy, actually. :smoking2:

I have always found it fateful though, that the Beatles fell, so-to-speak, to George Martin. They could have easily ended up with someone who would have been adverse to their creativity instead of open to it.

Oh, come on, that can't just be assumed as easily as that. You know, a good 15 years of tremendous mental and physical stress might make a person more inclined to chain-smoke... without that stress, who knows? It could have made a difference.
not to mention getting stabbed didn't help. Keith Richards commented that he considers that incident as having lead to George eventually passing when he did.

And that John wouldn't have been murdered in that way is for certain. but to say he, or any of them, would "still be alive" is impossible.

GeorgieGirl
Jun 08, 2005, 02:21 PM
No doubt the attack on George in his home set him back. Fighting cancer requires a strong immune system. Olivia was quite the heroine that night.

beatlelover45223
Jun 14, 2005, 04:43 PM
I find it hard to imagine the Beatles not being famous, I guess I am not much help here. :laugh5: