You Won't See Me

[beatlesquia]

Do they slow down the tempo in the second half of the song when Paul is singing "time after time you refuse...", or am I just imagining it?

[Dreamer]

Well according to my tabs it is written in 4-4 and doesn't change tempo. But that doesn't mean that the tabs are true.

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[FPSHOT]

You're not imagining this, I've had it for years already.

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I'd join a band with John any day, but I wouldn't join a band with Paul- George 1973

[lennon-mccartney]

Guitar tabs are always imperfect, unfortunately, inevitably, and inescapably.

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[beatlesquia]

So do they?

[beatlegirl]

Isen't you wont see me about Jane Asher?thats what i read.

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Destruction leads to a very rough rough road but it also breeds creation & earthquakes are to a girls guitar there just another good vibration & tidal waves couldnt save the world from californication.

[FPSHOT]

Beatlegirl ; Yip, it is about Jane, as also We Can Work It Out.

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[benny laine]

you wont see me is such a moving song to write for your gal pal isnt it?

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love is all yu need

luv ben

[Tim]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FPSHOT:
Beatlegirl ; Yip, it is about Jane, as also We Can Work It Out.

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As well as Here,There,and Everywhere.



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[beatlesquia]

Tabs etc. apart, subjectively speaking, I think they have done something in the second half when Paul sings those..It seems either the playing doesn't keep with the singing or Paul sings slowly.But it very wonderfully imparts a certain desperation to the lines, as if Paul is tired saying "time after time.." .
John Lennon might talk about mind games, but this is the real kind, the ones in which we don't even realise what is happening, and still get the flavour of the song that they want to give it.

[jtal909]

I've also noticed every now and then on an old song that the tempo has slightly changed in the chorus or refrain. I just accepted it as that's the way it was played that day. Tablature would not reflect that as it was most likely unintentional.

[beatlegirl]

im looking through you is about jane asher to isen't that really sad!

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autum's sweet we call it fall i'll make it to the moon if I have to crawl with the birds we'll share this lonely view

[Lucy]

I think that all the songs Paul wrote about Jane describe their relationship really well.
The fact that he was deeply in love with her is expressed so beautifully in "Here, There and Everywhere" while songs like "I'm Looking Through You" remind us that often she did things that didn't make him feel so good....just like a real life relationship!!


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"All the world is birthday cake so take a piece - but not too much"

[beatlesquia]

Just checking if I can see this message.
When I check the main page of songs and albums, the last reply is Lucy's, but when I open it, it shows only ten messages.
But, wait, I can read them in the preview of the topic down here. What's happening????

[bearkat77]

Beatlesquia, that's happened to me a time or two in other forums as well. Maybe Jerry or Brett could answer this one.

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[beatlegirl]

i don't know why i've always liked jane better than linda!

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autum's sweet we call it fall i'll make it to the moon if I have to crawl with the birds we'll share this lonely view

[Lucy]

There are some things that I like more about Jane than Linda but there are also a lot of things that annoy me about the way that Jane treated Paul when they were together. I do realise that a lot of the time they were together he treated her badly (by never being faithfull etc) but all that moaning she did on TV interviews about him not taking their relationship seriously & being too good to his fans and all the rest of it really annoys me. When I hear the line in "You Won't See Me" "...so act your age..." I always think that that is something she really needed to do a lot of the time.

I think the reason that I always liked her was because of their whole fairytale meeting and romance and the importance she gave her career.

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"All the world is birthday cake so take a piece - but not too much"

[bearkat77]

Many of Paul's songs were written with Jane in mind. Does anybody know exactly how many there are?

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[beatlegirl]

I think there all a lot of songs about her they are:

and i love her
every little thing
we can work it out
im looking through you
you wont see me
here there & everywhere

I think thats it im not to sure!

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autum's sweet we call it fall i'll make it to the moon if I have to crawl with the birds we'll share this lonely view

[FPSHOT]

The slow down process also occurs on Michelle near the end.

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[Lucy]

"Things We Said Today" is another one about Jane.

[beatlesquia]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FPSHOT:
The slow down process also occurs on Michelle near the end.

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I looked out for that, FPSHOT. Couldn't make out that one.

[Ian Iachimoe]

I love the bit in You won't see me, just after the time after time...section. The bit where he goes into a different register - at the "if i knew what i was missing" bit !! it's a sublime little change that always gives me shivers down the spine.

I think Jane Asher's OK. Unlike many who met the Beatles on a wet and windy day in 1964, then proceeded to write a memoir about it, she's kept her dignity and stayed pretty quiet about that whole time in her life. She's really got her own career. Firstly based on acting, and then cookery stuff. Her story could potentially be the definitive viewpoint on Paul's private life in the 1960's....they met for the first time since the late 60's a couple of years ago, and apparently got on well. I bet he's grateful she's decided not to spill the beans like so many others.

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In Love all of life's contradictions dissolve and disappear

[iFrog]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beatlegirl:
I think there all a lot of songs about her they are:

and i love her
every little thing
we can work it out
im looking through you
you wont see me
here there & everywhere

I think thats it im not to sure!
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Are you sure about that? Considering the range of subjects that are actively covered in their songs, e.g. world peace and long lost love, i find it hard to fathom that he would actually devote so much time and energy to just one girlfriend.

[Lucy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iFrog:
Are you sure about that? Considering the range of subjects that are actively covered in their songs, e.g. world peace and long lost love, i find it hard to fathom that he would actually devote so much time and energy to just one girlfriend.

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It's not that he devoted time and energy to creating these songs about her - the way he felt about her inspired him so the songs came easily. And I wouldn't simply classify her as "just" a girlfriend. Remember that they lived together and were planning on getting married. They were very serious and clearly he loved her very very much.
Not every single one of their songs is about long lost love or world peace either. Just look at the range of topics covered in a single album alone. Yes, many songs have a big message for all of us but there are also some "throw-away" ones that are just for fun or whatever. Not everything has to have some greater meaning. I can't see how you could wonder why time would be spent on writing songs about their own lives and loves.
The only one on this list that I'm not sure about is "And I Love Her"...he once denied that it was about her but you have to wonder, don't you? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[iFrog]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucy:
The only one on this list that I'm not sure about is "And I Love Her"...he once denied that it was about her but you have to wonder, don't you? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes i do wonder. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/cool.gif

[bearkat77]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucy:
Yes, many songs have a big message for all of us but there are also some "throw-away" ones that are just for fun or whatever. Not everything has to have some greater meaning.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lucy, please don't use the term "throw-away" when referring to Beatle songs. I, myself, consider every song deserves merit of some kind, even "Revolution 9".

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[iFrog]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bearkat77:
Lucy, please don't use the term "throw-away" when referring to Beatle songs. I, myself, consider every song deserves merit of some kind, even "Revolution 9".
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Yes especially Revolution #9. It is the kill. For the record most Beatles mythology ascribes the song to being a creation of John and Yoko and recording engineers. But apparently Paul was the first to implement and use backwards tape loops on a Beatles song. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Lucy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bearkat77:
Lucy, please don't use the term "throw-away" when referring to Beatle songs. I, myself, consider every song deserves merit of some kind, even "Revolution 9".

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Why do you think I used speech marks???
I agree with you and you can rest assured that I give all their songs the merit they deserve.
I used the term here to demonstrate that their songs aren't always about major issues (as iFrog suggested) and that they even themselves, at times, referred to some of them as "throw-away" songs. I was quoting them. John in particular used that phrase to describe much of his work. Just because I quoted him doesn't mean that I think that some of their songs are trash.
Don't think for a second that you need to tell me to show respect or whatever. It actually shocks me that you have said that because they are so important to me and I would never refer to anything they touched -let alone wrote - in a negative way.
I really hope that you understand what I'm getting at. Clearly you didn't before.

[Lucy]

....and what's this "even Revolution 9" thing? That suggests to me that you aren't giving that song the merit it deserves.

[jtal909]

John often used certain words for the way they sounded, not what they meant. He wrote I Am The Walrus that way on purpose after hearing that the very school teachers that once rejected him were now studying his lyrics in class.

[bearkat77]

Lucy, I see where you're coming from now. I just misread what you said. The remark I made about "Revolution 9" dealt with certain people who don't even consider it a song, let alone a Beatles song.

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[lennon-mccartney]

It's not exactly a song though, is it . . . be honest with yourselves.

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[jtal909]

LenMac, I'm with you. Let's not be pretentious about Rev #9.

[Lucy]

Alright then...I guess it isn't really. Let's say it's a montage of sound or something like that rather than an actual song. Still deserves a little credit though, doesn't it? Don't get me wrong: I don't exactly rate it as my all-time Beatles favourite.

kat: Sorry I went so berserk at you. I'm out of control. Really, I am!

[iFrog]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lennon-mccartney:
It's not exactly a song though, is it . . . be honest with yourselves.
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Yeah. Let's be real honest here. It certainly has the look and feel of a song doesn't it. It has musical notes, melody, human speech.... and alot of surprises. My feeling is that technically it is a song if for no other reason than precisely because it ended up as a track on a Beatles album, the White Album. i like the idea of it being called a sound montage. That is a very good description. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif

[Lucy]

I'm not quite sure where I picked that one up from but it does pretty much describe it.

[bearkat77]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucy:
kat: Sorry I went so berserk at you. I'm out of control. Really, I am!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem, Lucy. I do like the idea of calling it a sound montage, though.

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[This message has been edited by bearkat77 (edited December 10, 2000 at 09:40 PM).]