Nirvana Song Called Best of Past 25 Years [Archive]

SF4-EVER

Jun 11, 2003, 05:37 AM

LINK (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=501&ncid=716&e=8&u=/ap/20030611/ap_on_en_mu/vh1_greatest_songs) to story.

BY CHRISTY LEMIRE, AP Entertainment Writer

NEW YORK - Here they are now, entertaining us — or at least entertaining VH1, which named Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" the greatest song of the past quarter-century. The Seattle band's groundbreaking grunge anthem is No. 1 on VH1's list of the "100 Greatest Songs of the Past 25 Years."

The whole countdown will air over five nights, starting at 10 p.m. EDT Monday on the video music channel. The series will feature clips of videos and performances by the artists along with interviews from musicians and celebrities discussing why the songs matter.

Of "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan said: "That was really a breakthrough for a great scene that had been going on for a long time up in Seattle. And it was kind of another victory, I think, for a misunderstood music, you know. The dam broke when 'Teen Spirit' came out."

While no one performer or group dominated the countdown, which was chosen by a panel of VH1 executives, several had two songs featured.

Michael Jackson had the second-highest song, "Billie Jean," and was at No. 40 with "Beat It." Eminem reached No. 4 with "Lose Yourself," while his "My Name Is" was No. 85. Madonna's "Like a Virgin" was No. 10 and her "Ray of Light" was No. 100.

Rounding out the top 10 were "Sweet Child O' Mine" by Guns N' Roses, "One" by U2, "Walk This Way" by Run-D.M.C., "When Doves Cry" by Prince, "I Will Always Love You" by Whitney Houston and "Every Breath You Take" by The Police.

In May 2001, VH1 picked the 100 greatest videos of all time; Jackson's "Thriller," a 17-minute mini-movie, was No. 1, but it didn't even make the list this time.

Mona_J

Jun 11, 2003, 02:01 PM

What? I don't think it's that good.
My friend, who is a huge Nirvana-fan, said, that she doesn't like Smells Like Teen Spirit, because it's so overplayed and overrated.

ChrisG134

Jun 11, 2003, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:
I'm sorry, but yeah, 'Teen Spirit' is a crankin' song..the best of the past 25 years?!? C'MON! Couldn't they come up with something better than that?No way, that's a Great song!It is one the best Rock songs ever!I can't think of anything better.

Hari Krishna

Jun 11, 2003, 02:43 PM

All right, as much as I love Nirvana and their music, it's not the best song in a quarter-century. I mean, a song about angst and depression is the best? Why not a song about peace or had a profound impact on our society, something that everyone knows.

Magill

Jun 11, 2003, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By ChrisG134:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Magill:
I'm sorry, but yeah, 'Teen Spirit' is a crankin' song..the best of the past 25 years?!? C'MON! Couldn't they come up with something better than that?No way, that's a Great song! It is one the best Rock songs ever!I can't think of anything better.<hr /></blockquote>And if I was still a metalhead, I'd probably agree. images/icons/smile.gif I do like the song, but it is overplayed, especially here in So-CA. I can think of better songs. But really. These are the same guys who ranked the Beatles at #25 (or whatever it was) on the "100 Sexiest Artist" list. What the heck do they know?

Rellevart

Jun 11, 2003, 02:53 PM

Depends on the age range you're talking about too. I know that Nirvana had a HUGE impact on my friends who are 10-15 years younger than I am and virtually NO impact on people my age. I bet not more than one or two of my friends who are my age could even sing one line of it. Oh well, at least it's a better choice than "Sweet Child O Mine" (BLECH!!!!!) or "I-E-I-E-I Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuuuu" (double BLECH!).

ringo_rama

Jun 11, 2003, 04:20 PM

So how old are you Rellevart? Just want to see if your theory is correct. images/icons/smile.gif

ImaginePeace78

Jun 11, 2003, 04:50 PM

Yes, Nirvana had an impact in music, but the best? Not a chance! Yeah, a lot of people in my age range really like the song (when it came out--almost ten years ago now), but I didn't really care for it.
-Kristi

IWantToTellYou

Jun 11, 2003, 06:42 PM

This was my exact expression when I read this:

graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Puh-leeease! Nirvana? "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? Is that they best they could come up with? 25 years of music, and the best song out of all of those 25 years is "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? Good grief...What is this world coming to?!?

SF4-EVER

Jun 11, 2003, 09:15 PM

Personally, I prefer Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana."

Magill

Jun 11, 2003, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:
Personally, I prefer Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana."graemlins/laugh2.gif

HeyBeatle

Jun 12, 2003, 12:09 AM

I never understand those countdowns. I don't think you can judge the last 25 years because the last ten have yet to show exactly what their long term impact is.

Magill

Jun 12, 2003, 12:23 AM

I'm sorry, but yeah, 'Teen Spirit' is a crankin' song..the best of the past 25 years?!? C'MON! Couldn't they come up with something better than that?

ringo_rama

Jun 12, 2003, 12:49 AM

I agree with them, it's an influential song and Nirvana rules, so it does deserve the top spot.

Did you really think any of the Beatles' solo work would make it (besides Lennon at 72)?

Rellevart

Jun 12, 2003, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:
So how old are you Rellevart? Just want to see if your theory is correct. images/icons/smile.gif A woman never reveals.... images/icons/wink.gif

No, seriously, I'm 40-ish. images/icons/smile.gif

HMVNipper

Jun 12, 2003, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:

Did you really think any of the Beatles' solo work would make it (besides Lennon at 72)?No, actually, I didn't...and of ALL the solo songs they could have chosen, THAT one wouldn't be my top pick in any case.

That said, I can't stand Nirvana at all anyway, and I'm with Rell when she says it didn't make much of an impact on people our age. (Rell and I are in the same general age area.) But I also admit that I don't like very much of the music of the past 25 years anyway...give me the oldies anytime! images/icons/smile.gif

leonardobeat

Jun 12, 2003, 08:45 AM

I like Nirvana...

Spirit is a good song, powerfull and awesome and I love that chorus: "Hello hello hello how low..."

However that's not the best song of the band, from a personal point of view I think that song has to be "Come as you are" or "On a plain".

I really couldn't say if Nirvana made the best song of the past 25 years because there are a lot of good songs written mostly by One Hit Wonders but I'm sure that Kurt's band is the best one after The Beatles.

People say that Nirvana is overrated and overplayed. Ok, no one denies that but aren't the Stones and even The Beatles overrated and overplayed too?

You could say "Hey cmon, Beatles are Beatles, there's no comparation" Agreed too but I don't understand people anyways, when you tell them about the best bands after The Beatles they always look for an excuse to disqualify.
If those bands are overrated they ignore them.
If those bands were an influence they inmediatly say that the Beatles were a bigger influence,
If those bands did drugs or suicide they invoke to the holy spirit to reject them like
cowardly rats without force to stand their pains.

I wonder if The Beatles never did drugs and adultery (John and George, oh yes, even the one who sang Hari Krishna) when they were the biggest influence in the world.

So I think that makes no sense when people talk bad things about a band of a musician if they don't base their comments on musical terms.

[ Jun 12, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message Edited By: leonardobeat ]

ChrisG134

Jun 12, 2003, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By ChrisG134:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Magill:
I'm sorry, but yeah, 'Teen Spirit' is a crankin' song..the best of the past 25 years?!? C'MON! Couldn't they come up with something better than that?No way, that's a Great song! It is one the best Rock songs ever!I can't think of anything better.<hr /></blockquote>And if I was still a metalhead, I'd probably agree. images/icons/smile.gif I do like the song, but it is overplayed, especially here in So-CA. I can think of better songs. But really. These are the same guys who ranked the Beatles at #25 (or whatever it was) on the "100 Sexiest Artist" list. What the heck do they know?<hr /></blockquote>These are also the same people who ranked The Beatles the best rock artists and they also had the #1 ranked rock album of all time and they also had 4 of the top 10 albums of all time.So they can't be that bad.

ringo_rama

Jun 12, 2003, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:
Personally, I prefer Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana."Actually, I have to agree. The lyrics are better, at least.

And Rellevart, I'm in the 20-25 years younger range then...

Clark Kent

Jun 13, 2003, 03:49 AM

Nirvana mean absolutely nothing to me.

Magill

Jun 13, 2003, 03:37 PM

While I like the grunge sound of it sometimes, when I'm in the mood for it, I never really got what he was saying over the screaming. So, here's the lyrics, just in case others wondered too:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Nirvana
Load up on guns and bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's over bored and self assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Hello, hello, hello, how low

I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been (tribe)
And always will until the end

Hello, hello, hello, how low

And I forget just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it was hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

hello, hello, hello, how low

With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My Libido
Yay, a denial

Oh yeah! Poetry...sheer poetry! graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

leonardobeat

Jun 13, 2003, 09:32 PM

Oh Nancy, life isn't a pretty poem either.

If I had to reject a band because their sad and pessimistic lyrics the only artist that I would like was Barny or maybe the Teletubbies.

ringo_rama

Jun 13, 2003, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:

I'm worse at what I do best

With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious

Oh yeah! Poetry...sheer poetry! graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif The specific lyrics I pointed out ARE poetry. The first one came 5 years before Paul wrote "I go back so far, I'm in front of me." And 10 years before "Any Road" was released ("It's so far out the way out is in"). I think that says a lot.

The second verse was basically how Kurt was feeling at the time. I read somewhere that Kurt is a coward for committing suicide, leaving a wife and child behind. First off, he probably didn't commit suicide, check out www.cobaincase.com (http://www.cobaincase.com) and there's a lot of evidence that proves it. And that's not cowardly. It takes guts to leave it all behind. If he did commit suicide (I won't rule that out entirely), I'm sure it took a lot of thinking to come to a decision.

He was the biggest genius in the 90s music scene (and no, I'm not forgetting Paul, Bob, Liam and Noel, etc.). He spoke to a generation, for a comparison, he was not unlike John Lennon in the late 1960s.

Magill

Jun 14, 2003, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
Oh Nancy, life isn't a pretty poem either.

If I had to reject a band because their sad and pessimistic lyrics the only artist that I would like was Barny or maybe the Teletubbies.Leo, you know what these lyrics say to me? Someone who was so wasted on drugs that can only manage to write about violence, self-loathing and pity. These lyrics remind me of when I read "The Bell Jar" by Sylvia Plath when I was 13. And that traumatized me for quite a while. Don't misunderstand. I'm hardly narrow-minded about this; I understand teenage angst. I've been there and hope to get my own daughter through it unscathed. For me, those were the worst years of my life that I'd rather not go into. I seriously doubt my own daughter would find comfort in song such as this. I mean, it's already an old song anyway. But, whatever outlet she chooses, we'll just have to cross that bridge when we get there.
And RingoRama, I recently saw a biography on Kurt's life (a few months ago). His bandmates and friends clearly stated, without a doubt, that he was a very troubled, depressed individual..throughout his whole life. Running away from his troubled homelife, living under bridges in Portland(?). I seem to recall that Kurt had left a suicide note and had attempted the act once before he finally succeeded. Thinking about it now, maybe the note was from a previous failed attempt. Not sure.
On a lighter note, I was impressed by the fact that Kurt was a big Beatle fan. images/icons/smile.gif

ChrisG134

Jun 14, 2003, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By Magill:
While I like the grunge sound of it sometimes, when I'm in the mood for it, I never really got what he was saying over the screaming. So, here's the lyrics, just in case others wondered too:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Nirvana
Load up on guns and bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's over bored and self assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Hello, hello, hello, how low

I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been (tribe)
And always will until the end

Hello, hello, hello, how low

And I forget just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it was hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

hello, hello, hello, how low

With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My Libido
Yay, a denial

Oh yeah! Poetry...sheer poetry! graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Come on now.I know it isn't poetry,but it's just a great rock song."I Am The Walrus" doesn't make any sense either."Yellow Matter Custard dripping from a dead dog's eye",Coo,coo, ca joob?It sometimes doesn't have to make sense.Its just that their both great songs.

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 14, 2003, 02:24 PM

smells like teen spirt is an awsome song one of my fave songs (considering Nirvana is one of my fave bands) but i mean if any Nirvana song that should been #1 on that list it should have been "Lithium" that song is awsome or even "come as you are"or an even awsomer somg "rape me"Nivrana really symbloys the way most of us have felt at one time or antoher through theyre lyrics and thats why they were as sucessful as the were-and still are awsome band-and glad that they are # 1 but i think that vh1 should have thought this one out a little more and should have made a better song sellection but i mean thats how i feel im not really up to date on the past 25 years but you know what i mean ?!
ttyl!

Blackguard

Jun 14, 2003, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By SF4-EVER:
Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" the greatest song of the past quarter-century. Oh, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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Blackguard

Jun 14, 2003, 05:52 PM

Smells Like Nirvana
Al Yankovic

What is this song all about?
Can't figure any lyrics out
How do the words to it go?
I wish you'd tell me I don't know, oh no
don't know, don't know, don't know...

Now I'm mumbling and I'm screaming
And I don't know what I'm singing
Crank the volume, ears are bleeding
I still don't know what I'm singing
Were so loud and inchoerent
Boy this oughta bug your parents
Yeah

It's unintel - ligible
I just can't get it through my skull
It hard to bargle nawdle zouss
With all these marbles in my mouth
Don't know....

Well, we don't sound like Madonna
Here we are now, were Nirvana
Sing distinctly? We don't wanna
Buy our album, were Nirvana
A garage band from Seattle
Well, it sure beats raising cattle
Yeah

And I forgot the next verse
Oh Well, I guess it pays to rehearse
The lyric sheet's so hard to find
What are the words, Oh Nevermind
Don't Know...

Well I'm yelling and were playing
But I don't know what I'm saying
What's the message I'm conveying?
Can you tell me what I'm saying?
So have you got some idea?
Didn't think so - well I'll see ya

Sayonara, sayonara
Ayonawa, odinawa
Odinawa, yodinya
Yaddayadda, yaaahyaaah
Ayaaaaaaah!

Thank you, Weird Al.

You gave a silly song what it needed.

Blackguard

Jun 14, 2003, 05:57 PM

Q: Why is it so windy in Seattle?

A: Because Nirvana Sucks and Soundgarden Blows!

ringo_rama

Jun 14, 2003, 08:04 PM

Blackguard, thank you for reminding me, I wanted to watch Spaceballs tonight.

"She's gone from suck to blow!"

Anyway, I kinda think they should've taken "Heart-Shaped Box" over SLTS.

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 15, 2003, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By Blackguard:
Q: Why is it so windy in Seattle?

A: Because Nirvana Sucks and Soundgarden Blows!intresting i never knew that they sucked and blowed but really they dont suck and i dont know who sound garden is but Nirvana is awsome if it wasnt for them grunge and punk wouldnt be how it is now so there for they odnt suck but soundgarden can blow alll they want

IWantToTellYou

Jun 15, 2003, 10:25 AM

Oh please! Punk today isn't even punk! It is just pop like everything else that is played on MTV. Sure it is not Britney Spears, but it certainly isn't punk!

Having tattoos doesn't make you punk. Don't even get me started on Good Charlotte... graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Their song "Lifestyles Of the Rich and Famous"? What in the heck do they think they are? Not famous? Not rich? Bah! Bitching about something that they are a part of...Makes sense to me...

Whatever happened to the real punk? The Ramones? The Sex Pistols?

All I know is that there were a million other songs that were relesed in the past 25 years that could blow Nirvana's song away! They are really undeserving of the title "best song of the past 25 years"!

Blackguard

Jun 15, 2003, 06:40 PM

The Sex Pistols were Punk at its most raw. They were all attitude. Today's Punk is watered down and ready for mass acceptence. Green Day and Avril Lavine may be popular but they lack the sheer brutish malevolence of the Pistols. Johnny Rotten spat out lyrics with his anger lurking behind each word. Never seeming to care if the songs were catchy enough, he used the songs to get his point across.

By comparison Avril Lavine uses too many hooks in her writing.

[ Jun 15, 2003, 06:42 PM: Message Edited By: Blackguard ]

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 15, 2003, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By IWantToTellYou:
Oh please! Punk today isn't even punk! It is just pop like everything else that is played on MTV. Sure it is not Britney Spears, but it certainly isn't punk!

Having tattoos doesn't make you punk. Don't even get me started on Good Charlotte... graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Their song "Lifestyles Of the Rich and Famous"? What in the heck do they think they are? Not famous? Not rich? Bah! Bitching about something that they are a part of...Makes sense to me...

Whatever happened to the real punk? The Ramones? The Sex Pistols?

All I know is that there were a million other songs that were relesed in the past 25 years that could blow Nirvana's song away! They are really undeserving of the title "best song of the past 25 years"!omg! r u for realz!! the ramones sucked no doubt about it the sex pistols sucked ! and what did u say about gc! GUUURRRR U OLD PPL! and as for that song "life styles of the rich and famous" did it ever dawn on u hey mabey they wernt rich and famous when they wrote that ! DUH! but really real punk ???? not old skool if you really really want real punk! buy new music such as good charlotte**** or even better The White Stripes or Green day and most of all NIRVANA

o ps: old people= 1983 and older

[ Jun 15, 2003, 09:11 PM: Message Edited By: D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28 ]

i_am_free

Jun 15, 2003, 09:19 PM

the clash is better.

ringo_rama

Jun 15, 2003, 09:20 PM

I can't understand anything you are saying. Abbreviations are fine in chats, when it's fast-paced, but seriously, on a message board there's no need to use them, unless people can easily understand them.

Magill

Jun 15, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By i_am_free:
the clash is better.I totally agree. Spoken like a true ex-punker, old geezer. images/icons/tongue.gif

[ Jun 15, 2003, 10:22 PM: Message Edited By: Magill ]

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 15, 2003, 11:23 PM

the clash is awsome

Blackguard

Jun 16, 2003, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By Magill:
I totally agree. Spoken like a true ex-punker, old geezer. images/icons/tongue.gif No matter how old you are, you'll always be younger than me. images/icons/wink.gif Kinda like what George once said about he and Paul.

[ Jun 16, 2003, 09:34 AM: Message Edited By: Blackguard ]

ImaginePeace78

Jun 16, 2003, 09:44 AM

Jeez, according to your logic (being born in 1983 or before is old) wow, then I'm old! (1978) heheh images/icons/smile.gif Anyway, I like the Clash better than the Sex Pistols or the Ramones. And yes, please type out full words instead of abbreviations on a message board. Not everyone will understand what you're trying to say and it seems more polite to write out full words and doesn't take that much longer either. images/icons/smile.gif
-Kristi

Magill

Jun 16, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted By ImaginePeace78:
Jeez, according to your logic (being born in 1983 or before is old) wow, then I'm old! (1978) heheh images/icons/smile.gif Yeah..You hit 20, you'd better start thinking about applying for social security! graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

BG: I love that comment from George. "...Even now, he's still eight months older than me." graemlins/laugh5.gif

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 16, 2003, 02:16 PM

yup old is 83' and over so sorry a lot of you lol ! i waz jk about the age thing anywayz! lol old is like OLD!

Rellevart

Jun 16, 2003, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
old is like OLD!Now THAT'S deep. images/icons/wink.gif

Seriously though, age is, to a great extent, a state of mind. And remember, you should never mock older people because you're going to BE one of them someday, if you're lucky. images/icons/smile.gif

ImaginePeace78

Jun 16, 2003, 02:28 PM

When you really think about it though, when you're a teenager, age 30 seems to be very old and yet, when you reach that age, it doesn't seem so old anymore. And Magill's right, (and so is John when he said "age is just a state of mind one of his songs off of his Anthology). My mind went blank! Alzheimer's is settling in early! images/icons/smile.gif
-Kristi

HMVNipper

Jun 16, 2003, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By IWantToTellYou:
Oh please! Punk today isn't even punk! It is just pop like everything else that is played on MTV. Sure it is not Britney Spears, but it certainly isn't punk!

Having tattoos doesn't make you punk. Don't even get me started on Good Charlotte... graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Their song "Lifestyles Of the Rich and Famous"? What in the heck do they think they are? Not famous? Not rich? Bah! Bitching about something that they are a part of...Makes sense to me...

Whatever happened to the real punk? The Ramones? The Sex Pistols?

All I know is that there were a million other songs that were relesed in the past 25 years that could blow Nirvana's song away! They are really undeserving of the title "best song of the past 25 years"!omg! r u for realz!! the ramones sucked no doubt about it the sex pistols sucked ! and what did u say about gc! GUUURRRR U OLD PPL! and as for that song "life styles of the rich and famous" did it ever dawn on u hey mabey they wernt rich and famous when they wrote that ! DUH! but really real punk ???? not old skool if you really really want real punk! buy new music such as good charlotte**** or even better The White Stripes or Green day and most of all NIRVANA

o ps: old people= 1983 and older<hr /></blockquote>I know this has been said already, but...is this post supposed to be in English? I don't understand any of it...do they not teach spelling and grammar and REAL WORDS in school anymore??? (Sorry, pet peeve of this old (1961) lady...if you're going to write on a message board, PLEASE do it in coherent English!!!)

That said -- I guess I AM an old lady, because I love the Clash and the Ramones...never cared for the Sex Pistols, but I STILL think they're better than any of the so-called "punk" groups of today...and just remember, without THOSE bands, today's bands wouldn't BE, so just give that a thought or two...

Magill

Jun 16, 2003, 04:57 PM

The genre of the bands you listed, D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28, are grunge (like Nirvana was), not punk. Susan's right. If it weren't for pioneers like Sid Vicious, Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer & Johnny Rotten, there'd be no Nirvana, GC, Blink182, etc. It'd like putting The Backstreet Boys in the same class as GC. graemlins/laugh2.gif YIKES!

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 16, 2003, 05:44 PM

ok bsb isnt punk! but to a lot of ppl the bands i did list are conidered punk and they may be grunge w/e u consider it but as far as i know its punk im not some music person tho so what do i know .... And plz really does the way i write or any1for that matter on the internet need to be all proper?! i mean really! no off. but i dont see a need to write all like your writing a novel sorry to say but i mean its tru

[ Jun 16, 2003, 05:48 PM: Message Edited By: D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28 ]

ringo_rama

Jun 16, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
And plz really does the way i write on the internet need to be all proper?!Um, if you want people to understand it, then yes.

HMVNipper

Jun 16, 2003, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
And plz really does the way i write on the internet need to be all proper?!Um, if you want people to understand it, then yes.<hr /></blockquote>Not to mention if you want to sound like you have more than a kindergarten education. (And actually, my 4 1/2 year old son sounds more articulate...no offense...) I'm sorry, it just makes a person sound incredibly uneducated when they say things like "I don't see any reason why I should use proper grammar and spelling on the internet." Why is this any different from any other kind of writing? I can't imagine that a teacher would accept a paper written like that!

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take this topic off onto a tangent...but it's one of my real pet peeves...and as an editor, I can also tell you that if I received any submission to my zine that wasn't in reasonably coherent English, I wouldn't even bother to read it. It would rate an instantaneous rejection letter.

And now, back to the topic at hand...pardon me for being "crochety," but perhaps I'm really lamenting the fact that no one seems to know how to write or speak properly anymore...

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 16, 2003, 05:58 PM

ok well i put a translator on my sig 4 all ya'll to make it a little easier !!! bc i talk like i talk and i cant stop talking like this and im out of high skool already so i know my words im just to lazy to write full words on the internet

lennon4

Jun 16, 2003, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
im out of high skool already so i know my wordsReally? I wouldn't have known.

-lennon4

ImaginePeace78

Jun 16, 2003, 07:42 PM

You mentioned you were lazy about writing coherent English on the Internet...hmmm, it seems like more people are like that now on the computer than even a few years ago. It's too bad it's going that way....
Sorry, this is off topic.
-Kristi

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 16, 2003, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By lennon4:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
im out of high skool already so i know my wordsReally? I wouldn't have known.

-lennon4<hr /></blockquote>yea considering i dont know you i guess you wouldnt have! duh!~ and if i wouldnt know myself i would be all damn that girl is an idiot

bobdude

Jun 17, 2003, 12:20 AM

Speaking of punk bands nobody has mentioned Bad Brains, DRI, Black Flag or The Dead Kennedys or Meat Puppets. These are bands that also inspired Kurt Cobain. Nirvana signified a return to real guitar music in the early 90's. But as far as Smells Like Teen Spirit being the best of the last 25 years, hell it's not even the best song in the Nirvana catalog. By the way Just Like Starting Over checked in at #72 on this list. But between Billie Jean and Smells Like Teen Spirit give me Nirvana any day of the week.

HeyBeatle

Jun 17, 2003, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By bobdude:
Speaking of punk bands nobody has mentioned Bad Brains, DRI, Black Flag or The Dead Kennedys or Meat Puppets. These are bands that also inspired Kurt Cobain. Nirvana signified a return to real guitar music in the early 90's. But as far as Smells Like Teen Spirit being the best of the last 25 years, hell it's not even the best song in the Nirvana catalog. By the way Just Like Starting Over checked in at #72 on this list. But between Billie Jean and Smells Like Teen Spirit give me Nirvana any day of the week.It may have signified the return of real guitar music in pop (what is considered mainstream during that era) But heavy metal was always there and bands like Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica, and power metal and hair matal groups all played with traditional four piece band with lead and rhythm guitar. Not to mention the early 90s with the advent of bands like Dream Theater, that not only play metal but incorporate amazing guitar solos with experimental sounds, ideas, and great vocals considering the common metal band is not revered for their main vocalists sound and skill.

Johnna Lynn

Jun 17, 2003, 03:33 AM

I love Living Color--'Love Rears it's Ugly Head' its a tie with Eltons 'Someone Saved My Life Tonite'

[ Jun 17, 2003, 03:42 AM: Message Edited By: Johnna Lynn ]

ShowTunes

Jun 18, 2003, 01:57 PM

It would be nice if they qualified their choice with "the greatest ROCK song of the past 25 years." (I looked but didn't see that qualifier; if I missed it, please point it out to me.) Let us not forget that there are a few other genres of music out there (and I'm not talking about rap and country, either). I don't advocate trying to decide between, say, a show tune and a rock song--you know the old apples vs. oranges impossibility--but I scoff at the notion that rock is the ONLY genre that produces good music.

*scoff scoff*

Aviva

IWantToTellYou

Jun 18, 2003, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
omg! r u for realz!! the ramones sucked no doubt about it the sex pistols sucked ! and what did u say about gc! GUUURRRR U OLD PPL! and as for that song "life styles of the rich and famous" did it ever dawn on u hey mabey they wernt rich and famous when they wrote that ! DUH! but really real punk ???? not old skool if you really really want real punk! buy new music such as good charlotte**** or even better The White Stripes or Green day and most of all NIRVANA

o ps: old people= 1983 and olderYes, I am for real. Are you? Being born in 1982 makes me old? Ooooooookay! graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif You have no idea what you are talking about, I am sorry. You have no idea what good music is. Punk wouldn't be around if it weren't for bands like the Ramones, and the Sex Pistols. The kind of "punk" (aka pop) you are into won't be remembered in 25 years from now that is for sure. They are not against any system, they are just as manufactured as anyone else in the music biz these days.

I like the White Stripes (since when are they punk?!?!?), but I am also entitled not to like "your" kind of music, and just because I don't like it doesn't make me "old". I am also entitled to my opinions. I happen to like real punk, with a real message, not because they spike their hair and have a tattoo sleeve. Also, not singing about how they hate rich people...Give me a break!

But the way you responded to my post only confirms one thing with me...and HMVNipper (and the others) said it best.

[ Jun 18, 2003, 05:12 PM: Message Edited By: IWantToTellYou ]

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 18, 2003, 08:03 PM

w/e u can say whatever u want! okie?
but i have a ? 4 u
are you the one to put the kind of music in
catorgorys ...? ....no i think not
so you can be all no its pop but other ppl might think diffrent i mean thats all im saying and if youwould have read all the posts of mine ( which is really pointless bc i kno i dont make any sense (heheheh) ) you would have read the old people thing was a joke.... no offense but a lot of you guys need to lighten up...

ringo_rama

Jun 18, 2003, 08:12 PM

Being that I'm bored, I'll treat you to my thrilling commentary on the Top 100... (Go here (http://www.vh1.com) to see the songs in question, you'll have to jump a hyperlink or two)

100. I hate this. This is one of her worst songs, the vocals suck and the video is stupid.
99. I love Norah Jones, and this is a cool song.
98. Catchy, but nothing I would listen to regularly.
97. I love Devo, and when you know the story behind the song, this song's even funnier. Love it.
96. It's a guilty pleasure.
95. With a title like that, who can resist? Nice song.
94. A teen anthem. Love it.
93. I absolutely love this song. NIN is an awesome singer-songwriter, this is probably one of my favorite songs of the 90s. It's not for kids, but it's a hell of a song.
92. I plead the 5th.
91. Ditto.
90. I was young when I first heard it, didn't know what it was about...when I realized... graemlins/sssh.gif
89. Pat's cool, and this is a cool song.
88. This is a great song, they couldn't have done this one better.
87. Great harmonies. One of Moon's last songs, he does awesome on it.
86. Great song...for me to poop on. (I love that sock puppet dog.) I know it's got a good message, but it's boring.
85. Cool song, not a fan of him but his singles are ok.
84. This song (and band) are excellent.
83. Nothing more than a charity single to me...good intentions, ok melody, but nothing special.
82. I love this song!!
81. Another guilty pleasure..."I'm sorry Mrs. Jackson...I am for REEEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!" Cool video, with all the animals.
80. Can't stand the band or the song.
79. Yet another guilty pleasure...I mostly like it for the video (Beyonce graemlins/inlove1.gif graemlins/inlove2.gif )
78. Good song.
77. Another guilty pleasure..."Is it worth it? Let me work it..."
76. AWESOME song. One of the best on the list.
75. Ditto. Beyond ditto. I love this song.
74. Eh...not a big fan.
73. I like the story behind it, but otherwise bleh.
72. Of course I love it images/icons/smile.gif
71. Hate DMB, hate this song.
70. Annoying as crap.
69. Not awful...not great.
68. Overrated, simple...annoying.
67. Pretty good song.
66. Nah, not a fan.
65. I think it's pretty cool...I always laugh when I hear that girl say "I am getting so hot, I'm gonna take my clothes off." It sounds funny, even though the ladies say it to me every night images/icons/wink.gif
64. Nice power pop tune.
63. I love this one.
62. Love the Pretenders...good song.
61. Can't stand the band, enjoy the song...just a little...
60. Repetitive...but good riffs.
59. Not a fan of this guy at all.
58. Doesn't even sample a good song...so why is it so popular?
57. Nice sentiments, but not a favorite of mine.
56. She's pretty cool. The song's nice too.
55. Don't like Talking Heads at all.
54. Good song...catchy.
53. Overrated.
52. Ok.
51. Can't stand the artist or the song.
50. He's done better songs, why didn't they use "Fly Away"?
49. Don't like the band or song at all.
48. Ditto.
47. Ditto.
46. Awesome bass riff, great collaboration by two of my favorites.
45. Annoying and overrated.
44. I can't understand why this song is still popular, I never really liked it.
43. They're pretty cool, I like this song.
42. I love this song.
41. Pretty good.
40. Ok song.
39. Ditto.
38. Pretty good.
37. Ditto.
36. Ditto.
35. Ditto.
34. Nah.
33. Ditto.
32. Alright song.
31. Nah.
30. Ok.
29. Not a fan of him really.
28. She's hot, but I can't get into her music.
27. I don't even think I've heard this one.
26. Not bad.
25. Guilty pleasure again...
24. Eww.
23. I really don't like him.
22. Nah.
21. Good song by great band.
20. Nah.
19. Not bad.
18. I kinda like it, it's too long though.
17. Not bad.
16. Love it.
15. Ok song. I think the band's pretty overrated.
14. The artist annoys me, and the song's pretty stupid.
13. They're awesome. RIP Left-Eye.
12. She's awesome too.
11. One of the most overrated bands and songs in history.
10. Compared to #100, this song is good.
9. I like it, but nothing special. Personally I prefer #90.
8. I loathe this song.
7. He still annoys me, but this song's better than the last one of his on here.
6. Very good version of a nice song.
5. Not as good as their first song on the list.
4. Not as bad as you'd think.
3. I don't like it that much.
2. Ditto.
1. Awesome song, deserves the top spot.

[ Jun 18, 2003, 08:14 PM: Message Edited By: ringo_rama ]

lennon4

Jun 18, 2003, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
no offense but a lot of you guys need to lighten up...Funny how that's the only fully comprehensible statement in that whole post...

Sure we could all use to "lighten up" a little, but we could all use to "smarten up" a little in our posts as well, but do we?

-lennon4

SF4-EVER

Jun 18, 2003, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
the old people thing was a joke.... no offense but a lot of you guys need to lighten up...You're still grounded until you're thirty, young lady.

Magill

Jun 18, 2003, 10:28 PM

Here's my comments on the top 5.

5. Move "One" to #1 and it's still the better one! images/icons/grin.gif
4. Take an 8 mile hike, Senor M&M! Don't let the hand that melts your sorry butt hit you on your way out!
3. They have GOT to be kidding! Puhleeeaze! graemlins/laugh2.gif
2. Ok. Not a real fan, but he was undeniably popular (I may have even liked him in the '80's, but you can't make me admit it! Nuh-uh! graemlins/shakehead4.gif )..but I know he's done better songs than this idiotic tune. HOOOO!
1. Smells like someone at VH-1 was smoking something when they made this list. graemlins/smoking3.gif

ringo_rama

Jun 18, 2003, 10:46 PM

I'd like to especially know what people think about #93.

Magill

Jun 18, 2003, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:
I'd like to especially know what people think about #93.Was that the really pornographic song? graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

ringo_rama

Jun 18, 2003, 10:55 PM

Yeah. Even VH1, which usually lets most language slide, had to change the subtitles to "I want to #?%! you like an animal."

I still love this song, all the industrial sounds. It's pretty awesome, but, needless to say, I wouldn't listen to it with a kid in the room.

[ Jun 18, 2003, 10:58 PM: Message Edited By: ringo_rama ]

ringo_rama

Jun 18, 2003, 10:59 PM

BTW, I'm not asking to be perverted but I know it was really controversial when it came out.

Magill

Jun 18, 2003, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:
I wouldn't listen to it with a kid in the room.Umm..hello? I was watching that program last night...WITH MY DAUGHTER! This was me:
graemlins/afraid7.gif

ringo_rama

Jun 18, 2003, 11:07 PM

At least it's censored on the show...on VH1 Radio it's not censored...

So I'm not the only one who's been watching this show?

You have to admit, they've made some great choices: "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Whip It," "Don't Know Why," and of course "Hot in Herre"! images/icons/wink.gif

Rellevart

Jun 19, 2003, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted By ringo_rama:
You have to admit, they've made some great choices: "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Whip It," "Don't Know Why," and of course "Hot in Herre"! images/icons/wink.gif I agree with your first two, but I think in 5 years, nobody will remember "Don't Know Why" anymore. It's a pleasant enough song, but I wonder if it has staying power.

I actually read your whole list! We don't have all the same favorites, but we certainly loathe the same songs! images/icons/smile.gif

Actually, I don't really think more than a handful of those songs deserve this title ("Baby One More Time", with that lovely manufactured vocal? I don't think so....), but VH1 has always had trouble separating an artist's music from their image. Hazard of a visual medium, I guess.

ringo_rama

Jun 19, 2003, 11:31 AM

Yeah--there was an SNL skit about a debate show from around the time MTV started, and the question was "Is MTV good or bad? We'll hear from two musicians with opposing views." And then you see one really ugly musician and a good-looking one.

Image has something to do with music, but not nearly as much as actual music.

IWantToTellYou

Jun 19, 2003, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By lennon4:

Sure we could all use to "lighten up" a little, but we could all use to "smarten up" a little in our posts as well, but do we?

-lennon4I agree with you! These were my reactions reading her posts:

graemlins/thinker.gif graemlins/images/icons/shocked.gif * graemlins/shakehead3.gif

D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28

Jun 19, 2003, 07:03 PM

well.... if ur smart enough to get through skool that counts for something... and why i mean you guys are really picky no offense but its true i mean really im sorta regreting joining theese fourmz bc some of the ppl (not all of u ) some ppl r realy nice! but i mean come'on still stick to what i said ur all picky ppl
and im leaving theese fourms so
word to u all -

[ Jun 23, 2003, 02:02 PM: Message Edited By: Harbidge ]

Boogaloo Sixty-Four

Jun 19, 2003, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
im leaving theese fourms so
word to u all -U!Peace and light to you, D-H. I'm truly sorry you feel that way.

-Boogaloo, prune pureé-gobbling old Ramones fan.

[ Jun 23, 2003, 02:03 PM: Message Edited By: Harbidge ]

lennon4

Jun 19, 2003, 07:08 PM

Well, congrats on graduating, good luck in your future, and don't tell everyone you dislike to go screw themselves because you never know when you'll run into them again.

-lennon4

lennon4

Jun 19, 2003, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By IWantToTellYou:
I agree with you! These were my reactions reading her posts:
graemlins/thinker.gif graemlins/images/icons/shocked.gif * graemlins/shakehead3.gif (I wouldn't suggest talking about someone as if they aren't able to read the topics for themselves...)

-lennon4

ringo_rama

Jun 19, 2003, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By D-HaRrIsOnSgUrl28:
word to u all - U!What, are we on Sesame Street? Today's show is brought to you by the letters "F" and "U"...

Say it loud, say it proud, does it hurt to type two extra letters???

[ Jun 23, 2003, 02:04 PM: Message Edited By: Harbidge ]

HoneyPie

Jun 19, 2003, 09:18 PM

Hey DHarrisonGurl28
I am 12 and i saw how you write. It was very difficult for me to read. what language did your parents teach you? pig-latin? Not to be rude but i'm being honest. And if your going to post anymore posts then i hope you use proper English because that how we talk on this board, not your language. I hope you will take an english class someday. i think since you older than me you shouold know better english. I said it once and i'll say it again i wasn't being rude just being honest.
-HoneyPie

lennon4

Jun 19, 2003, 10:51 PM

Out of the mouth of babes... graemlins/thumbsup1.gif

-lennon4

HeyBeatle

Jun 20, 2003, 04:29 AM

As interesting as the strain this topic has taken isn't, when are we going to go back to the discussion on the topic of this thread? No matter what your feelings are on the way she types no one deserves to be ripped apart for it.

Back to the topic:
I'm confused as to how they judged who made this list because there are songs that are way up there on the list that are completely beyond me. Isn't "I will always love you" in the top ten? That song is a cover song and I don't see the effect that song had besides inspiring more people to sing with horrible vowel sounds "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIeeeeeeeeeIIIIIIIIIII will always lahve yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouu"
If your going to hold onto a vowel at least make it sound pretty.

Rellevart

Jun 20, 2003, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted By HeyBeatle:
Isn't "I will always love you" in the top ten? Am I the only one who uses this song as a test as to whether or not people have musical taste? If you loathe this song, you probably have pretty good taste.... images/icons/wink.gif

Johnna Lynn

Jun 21, 2003, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By HeyBeatle:
As interesting as the strain this topic has taken isn't, when are we going to go back to the discussion on the topic of this thread? No matter what your feelings are on the way she types no one deserves to be ripped apart for it.graemlins/sad3.gif I agree, HeyBeatle. graemlins/sad3.gif

Johnna Lynn

Jun 21, 2003, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By Johnna Lynn:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By HeyBeatle:
As interesting as the strain this topic has taken isn't, when are we going to go back to the discussion on the topic of this thread? No matter what your feelings are on the way she types no one deserves to be ripped apart for it.graemlins/sad3.gif I agree, HeyBeatle. graemlins/sad3.gif <hr /></blockquote>We all saw this coming. (Quirky writing styles) Why did'nt a 'seasoned member' PM D-HarrisonSgurl28 and tell her outside of the Forum? I am surprised at some of the downright disrespectful and mean spirited comments made to her. No mentors for her! This forum can be intimidating to a 'new' person. There's nothing Fab about being humiliated in public. I'm thankful I had a Moderator who took time with me. I guess I used to sound like some of the bashers who replied to her posting etiquette. Maybe there is reason she used the spelling she did. No one asked. Not even me. I regret not having the tenure to help her.
"You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist."

Boogaloo Sixty-Four

Jun 21, 2003, 03:06 PM

Hey! That's a great idea, Johnna Lynn! I think it would be great if we could have something where a few Linkers could volunteer as "guardian angels", say, to greet new people, help them w/whatever trouble they had in the forum, or even volunteered to go into PM or live chat w/them (private room) if problems/arguments/bash threads, etc., ever came up. Or maybe some of us could be volunteer buddies to talk things out privately for anyone who felt like they needed it, even the oldies...even just to vent after a crappy day or whatever. (I think D-H left angry and offended and maybe hurt...I hate to see stuff like that happen here.) If the mods said yes, I'd volunteer!

Johnna Lynn

Jun 21, 2003, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
Hey! That's a great idea, Johnna Lynn! I think it would be great if we could have something where a few Linkers could volunteer as "guardian angels", say, to greet new people, help them w/whatever trouble they had in the forum, or even volunteered to go into PM or live chat w/them (private room) if problems/arguments/bash threads, etc., ever came up. Or maybe some of us could be volunteer buddies to talk things out privately for anyone who felt like they needed it, even the oldies...even just to vent after a crappy day or whatever. (I think D-H left angry and offended and maybe hurt...I hate to see stuff like that happen here.) If the mods said yes, I'd volunteer!Not to mention the GUESTS who come here. Is this the impression we want to give those who are thinking of joining our Forums? If the GUESTS just happened upon our subject at hand, they may not register!!!!!!We hurt more than one person, and we hurt ourselves! Thanks for your kind reply. Johnna Lynn

Magill

Jun 21, 2003, 05:14 PM

JohnnaLynn, etal..I think you're reading way more into this than necessary. First of all, many of us did try to convey to DHarissongurl to tone down the abbreviations, acronyms, whatever..that it confused many here. Particulary those from other countries, I reckon. It just made it difficult for most here to read her posts. Perhaps if you felt so strongly about how she was being "mistreated" by everyone, then you could have PM'd her yourself and took her under your wing. And maybe I could have done the same if I felt it would have done any good. She didn't take even the slightest subtle hints to even our outright requests urging her to please write clear and concisely. She just wasn't getting it. She even took the time to add to her sig line a little key of what everything meant. I thought that was quite a rebellious, in-your-face act right there. Secondly, you're definitely reading too much into Rell's "quirky" thread. I'm sure that's not what she had meant when she had started it. We all have pet peeves and this was one of hers. And she was wondering if others had felt the same. Working in Corporate business America, it's a constant thing we have to deal with. Poor grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. Believe me, if Rell started that only to make a "dig" at DHarrisongurl, she wouldn't have been subtle about it. I've picked up on the kind of person she is over the year I've been here, and she's not like that anyway. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt before I accuse anyone of poor behaviour. Perhaps you should do the same.

[ Jun 21, 2003, 05:19 PM: Message Edited By: Magill ]

Boogaloo Sixty-Four

Jun 21, 2003, 05:33 PM

You know, I was only trying to suggest something positive, in order to help out newbies, encourage dialog, discourage tension, and help out the mods. I wasn't "overreacting" to anything; I haven't even read whatever thread is going on about Rell and her grammatical corrections (?). All I was saying was that I'd like to help. And, yes; I think that multiple people laying into DH for her spelling was just too harsh. Who here has never been young and headstrong? I know I'm guilty as charged.

This is the second time I've been optimistic enough to try throwing out some ideas and opinions on a more serious subject, only to be dressed down by some none-too-friendly moderator. I think it's time for me to stick to, "How's the weather where you are?" threads exclusively. Lesson learned. images/icons/frown.gif

Johnna Lynn

Jun 21, 2003, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:
JohnnaLynn, etal..I think you're reading way more into this than necessary. First of all, many of us did try to convey to DHarissongurl to tone down the abbreviations, acronyms, whatever..that it confused many here. Particulary those from other countries, I reckon. It just made it difficult for most here to read her posts. Perhaps if you felt so strongly about how she was being "mistreated" by everyone, then you could have PM'd her yourself and took her under your wing. And maybe I could have done the same if I felt it would have done any good. She didn't take even the slightest subtle hints to even our outright requests urging her to please write clear and concisely. She just wasn't getting it. She even took the time to add to her sig line a little key of what everything meant. I thought that was quite a rebellious, in-your-face act right there. Secondly, you're definitely reading too much into Rell's "quirky" thread. I'm sure that's not what she had meant when she had started it. We all have pet peeves and this was one of hers. And she was wondering if others had felt the same. Working in Corporate business America, it's a constant thing we have to deal with. Poor grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. Believe me, if Rell started that only to make a "dig" at DHarrisongurl, she wouldn't have been subtle about it. I've picked up on the kind of person she is over the year I've been here, and she's not like that anyway. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt before I accuse anyone of poor behaviour. Perhaps you should do the same.You are the moderator, and I respect your opinion and welcome your advise. I have no idea what anyone's intention is when they post. I am sure the negativity (sp?) I perceive is real. I know how the comments hit ME. As I said, I have no way of knowing what anyones intentions are. Being that I cannot see thier faces, or hear them speak.

Johnna Lynn

Jun 21, 2003, 05:43 PM

Magill

Jun 21, 2003, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By Boogaloo Sixty-Four:
You know, I was only trying to suggest something positive, in order to help out newbies, encourage dialog, discourage tension, and help out the mods. I wasn't "overreacting" to anything; I haven't even read whatever thread is going on about Rell and her grammatical corrections (?). All I was saying was that I'd like to help. And, yes; I think that multiple people laying into DH for her spelling was just too harsh. Who here has never been young and headstrong? I know I'm guilty as charged.

This is the second time I've been optimistic enough to try throwing out some ideas and opinions on a more serious subject, only to be dressed down by some none-too-friendly moderator. I think it's time for me to stick to, "How's the weather where you are?" threads exclusively. Lesson learned. images/icons/frown.gif Hey Boogaloo. I was only trying to shed some light on the situation and to defend some of the more seasoned members. Yes, I agree it did get heated. But it was on both sides. And yes, sadly it did get to the point of bickering. I reckon if she was clever enough to come up with those commonly used chat room acronyms..(Gawd, I hate that word! My company uses acronyms for EVERYTHING! But, that's another thread in the making, perhaps..UGH!)..but, I'm sure she also knew proper English. You have a good idea in perhaps having a mentorship program here for those who are having trouble communicating with other board members. It may be something to consider. We'll make Sandra the Chairperson of the program images/icons/wink.gif . She is, as stated, very diplomatic and is someone I look up to, as well. I'm more the type that tends to shoot first and check for bodies later...which more often than not gets me in trouble. But, hey. I try to restrain these typing fingers of mine in times of conflict. We should all be more Sandra-like. images/icons/smile.gif

[ Jun 21, 2003, 06:02 PM: Message Edited By: Magill ]

SF4-EVER

Jun 22, 2003, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By Magill:
You have a good idea in perhaps having a mentorship program here for those who are having trouble communicating with other board members. It may be something to consider. We'll make Sandra the Chairperson of the program images/icons/wink.gif . She is, as stated, very diplomatic and is someone I look up to, as well. I'm more the type that tends to shoot first and check for bodies later...which more often than not gets me in trouble. But, hey. I try to restrain these typing fingers of mine in times of conflict. We should all be more Sandra-like. images/icons/smile.gif Wow...just came across this this morning and was very flattered by the praise. graemlins/blush1.gif I don't know if I should confess this or not, but in person I can come up with a smart-aleck response
and just shoot it off without being considerate. (I try to be honest about my faults, which is why I'm admitting them here.) When I post here, though, I do try to have more empathy. I think that's truly the key -- if you want to persuade someone to do something, you have to look at it from their point of view and come up with reasons why the change would benefit them. For instance, with the odd spelling, someone could have privately told the person that using proper English would have made her posts clearer to a lot of people and helped her improve her writing skills for when she enters the work force. We have members here from different countries, backgrounds, and different generations, so it's not always easy to put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's still worth doing, though, because you can learn something that way. images/icons/smile.gif

Oh, and in regard to the program--I'm willing to help people if they'd like my advice. Feel free to e-mail or PM me, and I'll respond as soon as I can.

HMVNipper

Jun 22, 2003, 03:47 PM

For the record, I did have a bit of private correspondence going with her off the forums -- she tried submitting something to Rooftop as well, and that was as poorly written as any post she ever made here on these forums, full of the same abbreviations and misspellings and grammatical errors -- in a story! And in that case, she also disregarded my clearly posted guidelines regarding format of submissions, ignored all the things I ask of people who submit to me, and then said I was "uptight" because I sent her a rejection letter. A GENTLE rejection letter -- I told her that the story as written did not suit my needs and would need quite a bit of cleaning up before it would be acceptable. I did NOT berate her in any way -- it is not my habit to ridicule people whose stories I do not accept -- rather, I just say that the story does not meet Rooftop's needs and leave it at that.

Additionally, I do know that at least one other member had an IM correspondence going with her in which she pointed out that it might behoove her to try and write in real English on the forums. She too was rebuffed.

I don't think anyone was hard on her here -- all we did was ask her to please write in coherent English. I don't think that is too much to ask.

[ Jun 23, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message Edited By: HMVNipper ]

HeyBeatle

Jun 22, 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By Rellevart:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By HeyBeatle:
Isn't "I will always love you" in the top ten? Am I the only one who uses this song as a test as to whether or not people have musical taste? If you loathe this song, you probably have pretty good taste.... images/icons/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>LOL!
I don't think this song would be so bad if she reeled herself in with regards to the melismas and pronunciation. It is a pretty good musical barometer though. images/icons/wink.gif

leonardobeat

Jun 22, 2003, 09:33 PM

Going back to the subject... Nirvana rocks! graemlins/rocknroll2.gif

lennon4

Jun 22, 2003, 09:41 PM

graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

leonardobeat

Jun 22, 2003, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By lennon4:
graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Humm, why are the eyes rolling? I've noticed that this is your favorite simile.

lennon4

Jun 22, 2003, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
Humm, why are the eyes rolling? I've noticed that this is your favorite simile.IMO, the rolling of the eyes symbolizes disagreement, but not the effort to argue.

And how nice of you to assume it's my favorite smilie, since it's not. I use it very rarely compared to these: graemlins/teeth1.gif graemlins/thumbsup1.gif graemlins/rolling4.gif graemlins/rotate.gif graemlins/psycho.gif

Have a wonderful night! graemlins/teeth1.gif

-lennon4

leonardobeat

Jun 22, 2003, 10:07 PM

That's good to hear images/icons/smile.gif *Rolling eyes so often is not healthy.

Have a great night you too! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif *<--- My favorite smilie

ringo_rama

Jun 22, 2003, 10:11 PM

I agree leonardobeat, Nirvana is an awesome band. My favorite of the 90s.

beatlegirl9977

Jun 22, 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By lennon4:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
Humm, why are the eyes rolling? I've noticed that this is your favorite simile.IMO, the rolling of the eyes symbolizes disagreement, but not the effort to argue.

-lennon4<hr /></blockquote>Exactly. Sometimes something simple like graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif *just says it ALL without typing a single letter...

Boogaloo Sixty-Four

Jun 22, 2003, 10:16 PM

This thread is a real pistol. I don't know whether to graemlins/laugh2.gif or graemlins/cry1.gif !

Rellevart

Jun 23, 2003, 05:25 AM

Oh, just to clarify one little thing....the topic I started about "Quirky Writing Styles" had absolutely NOTHING to do with this entire thing. It had to do with people on another forum who wrote in recognizable ways and it wasn't a bad writing bashing thing at all. Just don't want anybody to have the wrong impression. images/icons/smile.gif

HMVNipper

Jun 23, 2003, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By Rellevart:
Oh, just to clarify one little thing....the topic I started about "Quirky Writing Styles" had absolutely NOTHING to do with this entire thing. It had to do with people on another forum who wrote in recognizable ways and it wasn't a bad writing bashing thing at all. Just don't want anybody to have the wrong impression. images/icons/smile.gif I think most people realize that, Rell, but some people took it the wrong way.

lennon4

Jun 23, 2003, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By HMVNipper:
...but some people took it the wrong way.That seems to be happening a lot lately with this particular thread..lol...

-lennon4

Harbidge

Jun 23, 2003, 02:09 PM

Sorry about the editing of several posts, but I felt that the excessively strong language that that Harrisonsgurl used in her final post needed to go.

leonardobeat

Jun 23, 2003, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted By beatlegirl9977:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By lennon4:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By leonardobeat:
Humm, why are the eyes rolling? I've noticed that this is your favorite simile.IMO, the rolling of the eyes symbolizes disagreement, but not the effort to argue.

-lennon4<hr /></blockquote>Exactly. Sometimes something simple like graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif *just says it ALL without typing a single letter...<hr /></blockquote>Understood! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif *

I've got a question. What does mean IMO? Is it something like LOL or ROFL?