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bearkat77
Sep 15, 2001, 04:45 PM
This comes from a Canadian newspaper. Thought I would share it with everyone.

America: The Good Neighbor

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 9 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

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jami
Sep 15, 2001, 04:52 PM
That is awesome! Awesome, I tell you!!!! Gotta love those Canadians, eh????? Eh, Marissa? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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SF4-EVER
Sep 15, 2001, 06:00 PM
Thanks for sharing that, bearkat! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/thumbsup.gif It's nice to know not everyone believes the sterotype of the "ugly American."

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MaccaGirl
Sep 15, 2001, 06:04 PM
That's cool, they've been reading it like 24/7 on the radio with "God Bless America" in the background.

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bearkat77
Sep 15, 2001, 07:07 PM
Just about all of Europe has paid their respects. This comes from People (http://people.aol.com/people/news/now/0,10958,174901,00.html) magazine.

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**DONOTDELETE**
Sep 15, 2001, 11:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By jami:
That is awesome! Awesome, I tell you!!!! Gotta love those Canadians, eh????? Eh, Marissa? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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Eh! Canadians RULE!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like this guy.

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Sep 16, 2001, 02:22 AM
Nice story.

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FPSHOT
Sep 16, 2001, 03:46 AM
In this time of Tragedy, I see no need for this kind of discussion, but reading this I do want to make some comments, because impo and looking at this article from a European country, this man does not seem to know completely what is happening outside Canada/USA and should not write this at a time like this.

QUOTE Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

COMMENT i believe allied forces was the subject in tragic periods in history and I can not recall this point of $ ever being brought up by the US. Very important to bring this up now and create a certain atmosphere.

QUOTE When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 9 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

COMMENT In many cases the US wants to take care of that themselves and I do not doubt that with all the very good and regular personal contacts between the Administration and e.g. leaders of countries in Europe like but not only UK and The Netherlands, make contact and discuss possible assistence. But then I guess saying 'nobody helped' he means Canada as well.

QUOTE I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

COMMENT Not well informed again. Fokker planes fly all over the world and even various US airlines fly them and even recently placed orders. There are much more types, French, British, Russian.

QUOTE Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon?

COMMENT Yes mr. Sinclair, indeed good question. Name 5 points regarding added value of 'putting a man or woman on the moon', which indeed is something which therefore has been repeated by the US so many times http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink1.gif.

QUOTE; You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

COMMENT; Probably long ago that mr. Sinclar saw a Top 50 of WorldWide Industrial companies. Japan / radio ??? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh2.gif. Maybe he want to take a look at US and Canadian streets and see what drives round having 4 wheels and whilst looking, have a look around his home and office and trace 'made in Japan'.

QUOTE When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.

COMMENT So, meaning? How many US companies work worldwide - I work for one and a great one - and why is that, mr. Sinclair.

QUOTE Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around.

COMMENT Who is actually kicking 'them' around? One example; these palestinian kids which were shown of TV this week after the 'attacks', celebrating; maybe the cameraman asked them to and maybe they knew only half the story.
It is the responsibility of the Press in general not to creative negative atmospheres in the public.

So people, another look at this article. I absolutely do not want to create the idea that I am against USA,cause I am not, but whereas mr. Sinclair writes this article, I can not agree to the time of release and the atmosphere it may create.



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Sep 16, 2001, 04:30 AM
Well, I'm glad someone else said it for a change. Thanks FPSHOT - I agree on all your points. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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kjrocks_1
Sep 16, 2001, 07:01 AM
They were discussing this on the radio the other day. This was written in the early 70's. A young man on a radio station was looking for something to read for a public service announcement and remembered cutting this article out of the paper. He read it with The Sounds of Silence playing in the background. People responded and a record producer had him come into the studio to properly cut a track. It was recorded with God Bless America in the background( I believe). Once you realise when this was originally written, I think parts of it still rings true.

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jami
Sep 16, 2001, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
I absolutely do not want to create the idea that I am against USA,cause I am not, but whereas mr. Sinclair writes this article, I can not agree to the time of release and the atmosphere it may create.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Of course! Leave it to someone from another country to bash something nice said about the US! I don't think any of your comments were neccessary at all during this time. I think it was a lovely article, the Americans seem to like it .... why couldn't you have just left it alone for a while? If anyone is creating a not-so-nice atmosphere at a time like this, it's you guys who keep shooting down anything and everything nice said about the States. Just to let you guys know, so this doesn't stir up any anger in you, I've been told to tell you to watch some of the things you say about our country right now while these things are going on. A lot of people are getting sick of hearing about it.


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bearkat77
Sep 16, 2001, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By kjrocks_1:
They were discussing this on the radio the other day. This was written in the early 70's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it was written some time ago.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By kjrocks_1:
Once you realise when this was originally written, I think parts of it still rings true.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many of his ideals do still hold true after all these years.

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jtal909
Sep 16, 2001, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By jami:
Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
I absolutely do not want to create the idea that I am against USA,cause I am not, but whereas mr. Sinclair writes this article, I can not agree to the time of release and the atmosphere it may create.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Of course! Leave it to someone from another country to bash something nice said about the US! I don't think any of your comments were neccessary at all during this time. I think it was a lovely article, the Americans seem to like it .... why couldn't you have just left it alone for a while? If anyone is creating a not-so-nice atmosphere at a time like this, it's you guys who keep shooting down anything and everything nice said about the States. Just to let you guys know, so this doesn't stir up any anger in you, I've been told to tell you to watch some of the things you say about our country right now while these things are going on. A lot of people are getting sick of hearing about it.



That's exactly the kind of resentment we are getting sick and tired of hearing.



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FPSHOT
Sep 16, 2001, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By jami:
Of course! Leave it to someone from another country to bash something nice said about the US! I don't think any of your comments were neccessary at all during this time. I think it was a lovely article, the Americans seem to like it .... why couldn't you have just left it alone for a while? If anyone is creating a not-so-nice atmosphere at a time like this, it's you guys who keep shooting down anything and everything nice said about the States. Just to let you guys know, so this doesn't stir up any anger in you, I've been told to tell you to watch some of the things you say about our country right now while these things are going on. A lot of people are getting sick of hearing about it.
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Well, well, sorry I spoke.

a) I fully understand the feelings in USA
b) I work for a USA company and lost colleagues and have daily very close experience since the 11th about what's happening
c) I did not start this topic and I did not read anywhere in this topic that comments are not appreciated for the time being
d) I did not critisize the USA but only the article
e) Do you have any idea how people outside the USA feel about and share this tragedy and how much prayers, sympathy, memorials, discussions are made e v e r y minute
f) you are not alone, what Tony Blair said today is shared by so many
g) stop thinking that outside the USA people are always bashing against 'you'

I don't think my comments were picked up the way I hoped it would be and I am even more sorry I even wrote it now, cause probably some Americans believe that the whole world is against them and give me one argument proving that, other than the article we started with.

I will concentrate on other topics and leave this one for what it is. It is a pity, I understand the hurt, but this is not necessary.


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jami
Sep 16, 2001, 02:30 PM
I'm not saying that you, or anyone else for that matter, aren't understanding of what's happened recently .... I realize this has had an affect on the entire civilized world, but I don't think ANY negative comment was needed in regard to that article Kat posted. He was trying to lighten things up around here for the Americans because of what has happened. You are allowed to make comments about most things around here, yes, but you are not allowed to badmouth America or anything regarding America right now ... leave it for later when we're up for it. Like I said before, I've been told to let all of you know this by a higher power than me! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif

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Sep 16, 2001, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By jami:
Like I said before, I've been told to let all of you know this by a higher power than me! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif

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So, is Bush suppressing the minorities on this board too now?

http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh2.gif So much for freedom of speech.

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jami
Sep 16, 2001, 08:12 PM
Whatever, dude, http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/rolleyes.gif You know exactly who I meant.

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darkhorse
Sep 16, 2001, 08:24 PM
I didn't say anything. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

And I won't say anything either.

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jami
Sep 16, 2001, 08:29 PM
That's why I love you so much.

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Sep 16, 2001, 08:46 PM
You know you love it when I play hard to get. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/eyebrows.gif

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jami
Sep 16, 2001, 09:26 PM
I gotcha right here, baby!!!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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bearkat77
Sep 17, 2001, 12:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
In this time of Tragedy, I see no need for this kind of discussion, but reading this I do want to make some comments, because impo and looking at this article from a European country, this man does not seem to know completely what is happening outside Canada/USA and should not write this at a time like this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes FPSHOT, you are entitled to your opinion about this article. I understand some of the viewpoints you expressed. Let's just remember that we are all human beings trying to co-exist in this world. Everyone has the right to voice their thoughts. Please don't misunderstand me, but an argument on this is not going to lead anywhere.

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darkhorse
Sep 17, 2001, 08:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>Originally Posted By jami:
That's why I love you so much.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is not the first time people tell me they love me when I shut up...

Nowhere Man, I think we both should do the same. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif



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SleepyHead
Sep 17, 2001, 09:32 AM
What follows is the original internet source for what Kat quoted:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Sans-Serif">Quote:</font><HR>"LET'S BE PERSONAL" Broadcast June 5, 1973 CFRB, Toronto, Ontario

Topic: "The Americans"

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

ORIGINAL SCRIPT AND AUDIO
COURTESY STANDARD BROADCASTING CORPORATION LTD.

(c) 1973 BY GORDON SINCLAIR


PUBLISHED BY STAR QUALITY MUSIC (SOCAN)

A DIVISION OF UNIDISC MUSIC INC.

578 HYMUS BOULEVARD

POINTE-CLAIRE, QUEBEC,

CANADA, H9R 4T2<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can read this for yourself at the following urls:
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/american.html http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html

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