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FPSHOT

May 12, 2001, 10:12 PM

For starters, there have been various other players, maily Italian, where this has been discovered since mid 2000.

Now, there are some Dutch, we ofcourse do some research but as far as I know, there has not been any source identified. What is suggested is that it may have come in through meat/food, meat e.g. because of foot & mouth.

But also some vitamin pills may have caused this high percentage.

What I think of it; well, looking at Davids, with the glasses always on (remember Maradonna's eyes?) I would not know but Frank De Boer is not a person who needs thinks like that.

It is becoming banana's these tests. We all know about the cycling I guess, but what happened here in the Netherlands some time ago is that a goalie/keeper got a 4 month suspension (is that correct english?) cause he also was tested positive for something which was in a simple medicine for a cold, which people can buy just anywher. A goalie !!!! Why should a goalie take additional stuff, to be able to run faster from left to right, or jump 3 meters high?

It's all becoming a little silly.

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May 13, 2001, 05:41 AM

Bring back Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit,
Marco van Basten, Frank Rijkaard, and Ronald Koeman! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/thumbsup.gif

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FPSHOT

May 13, 2001, 11:46 PM

Johan organizes football camps for 12-16 years olds,

Ruud and Frank are waiting for a new manager/coach job and sometimes give comments at footbal matches

Marco is playing golf

Ronald is coach of Vitesse Arnhem, #5 in The Netherlands premier league

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May 14, 2001, 01:12 AM

I think Marco's the smart one. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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FPSHOT

May 14, 2001, 03:31 AM

He was called The Quiet One.

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May 14, 2001, 05:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FPSHOT:
Johan organizes football camps for 12-16 years olds

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Johan was voted as European Player of the Century not too long ago... where's his son Jordi playing these days? Still with Man Utd?

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Tim

May 15, 2001, 06:17 AM

I thought Ruud was with Newcastle as Manager..
I have a c.1990 figure of him with AC AC Milan.

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FPSHOT

May 15, 2001, 06:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nowhere Man:
Johan was voted as European Player of the Century not too long ago... where's his son Jordi playing these days? Still with Man Utd?

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Jordi playes for Alaves in Spain who play tonight the UEFA cup final against ....Liverpool.

Ruud Gullit was manager at Chelsea, which was his last job.

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When we started actually recording "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" it was just my playing the acoustic guitar and singing it [This solo version appears on the Anthology 3 CD-GW Ed.] and nobody was interested. Well, Ringo probably was, but John and Paul weren't. When I went home that night, I was really disappointed, because I thought, Well, this is really quite a good song, it's not as if it shitty! The next day, I happened to drive back into London with Eric Clapton, and while we were in the car I suddenly said, "Why don't you come and play on this track?" And he said, "Oh, I couldn't do that. The others wouldn't like it."

darkhorse

May 15, 2001, 07:41 PM

OK, so talking about soccer (I'm amazed at the number of fans we have here), here's a question: who's going to win the European Champions League: Valencia or Bayern Munich?

IMHO, Valencia. It's a great, great team.

And please let's not start talking about the World Cup Qualifying, because I know Chile isn't going very well... And I think we'll miss Korea/Japan 2002... It doesn't matter, though, because of the time difference... Every match will be, for us, at 2:00 or 5:00 in the morning http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/sleep1.gif so I guess we're letting others (like Ecuador) having the opportunity to be there. We were there in France 1998... What's the use of going to another World Cup? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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Tim

May 15, 2001, 08:24 PM

I think it will be Bayern Munich,after all Valencia is great but Bayern is on a roll,having beaten Manchester United in the QF and Real Madrid in the SF.

Another figure I have from 90-Diego Maradona with Napoli

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May 16, 2001, 01:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by darkhorse:
What's the use of going to another World Cup? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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To try and win one. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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May 16, 2001, 01:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by darkhorse:
who's going to win the European Champions League: Valencia or Bayern Munich?

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Two great teams, but I think Valencia will win... with Liverpool to continue their success against Alaves. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/thumbsup.gif

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May 16, 2001, 01:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by darkhorse:
Every match will be, for us, at 2:00 or 5:00 in the morning http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/sleep1.gif
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All the games shown here are always early morning, though I was so annoyed with the Euro2000 broadcasts because there weren't any! It was only on Pay TV as SBS (the major football broadcaster down here) lost the free-to-air rights for the first time ever and so I had to rely on following live scores through the internet mainly. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/angry1.gif

darkhorse

May 16, 2001, 10:09 AM

But I'm pretty sure you could watch the Olympic Games last year very well... Our national soccer team won a bronze medal there, if you all please remember... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif and we had to wake up at 4:00 in the morning to watch the match.

And we winning a World Cup? It may not be in the present, but we're working for that and let's see in another twenty years. I don't see, however, a good future for Australia there... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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May 16, 2001, 11:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:
I don't see, however, a good future for Australia there... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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Oh, you might be surprised, we have the likes of Kewell and Viduka now and are odds on to make the next World Cup. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif THe last step is to get passed the 5th-placed South American team, whoever that turns out to be... could even be Chile. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

Anyways, I support Yugoslavia in all the big soccer tournaments... at least they get a lot further than Australia. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

darkhorse

May 16, 2001, 07:33 PM

And they play wonderful soccer: I've always admired them, because they have a style of playing that's very much like south-american, more talent than technique... Oh and Australia won't have to play against Chile, because we're far, far away from qualifying... This is my list of candidates for qualifying in the South American group (you can compare it to the ones that actually qualify, after the qualifying finishes): 1º Argentina, 2º Brazil, 3º Paraguay, 4º Colombia, 5º Ecuador... You should be playing against Ecuador, and God only knows what could happen there... Good luck... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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darkhorse

May 16, 2001, 07:35 PM

Oh and against which team were you playing when you won like 31-0 in the WC Qualifying? It was a World Guiness Record, you know... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Tim

May 16, 2001, 09:30 PM

Last I saw the USA men's team was 3-0 in the final innings for WC 2002.
Hopefully they'll score this time...

...in more ways than one http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/eyebrows.gif

Seriously,I'd say they'd lose to the USA Women's team by 2 goals (I.e. USA Women 2,USA Men 0)

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[This Message Has Been Edited By Tim On May 16, 2001 09:32 PM]

FPSHOT

May 16, 2001, 10:41 PM

I have seen some games the last years live

1996 (?) Birmingham, Holland - Schotland (great atmosphere, friend for life with these scottish with the silly trousers)

1998 Paris, Holland-Belgium the Kluivert red-card game

2000 Rotterdam, Holland-Yugoslavia

There are 2 Aussies playin for my local Feyenoord Rotterdam team, Brett Emmerton and someone else.
The USA people may know we have Ernest Stewart playing here at NAC Breda.

Beatles town won the cup final yesterday.

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When we started actually recording "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" it was just my playing the acoustic guitar and singing it [This solo version appears on the Anthology 3 CD-GW Ed.] and nobody was interested. Well, Ringo probably was, but John and Paul weren't. When I went home that night, I was really disappointed, because I thought, Well, this is really quite a good song, it's not as if it shitty! The next day, I happened to drive back into London with Eric Clapton, and while we were in the car I suddenly said, "Why don't you come and play on this track?" And he said, "Oh, I couldn't do that. The others wouldn't like it."

May 17, 2001, 05:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:
And they play wonderful soccer: I've always admired them, because they have a style of playing that's very much like south-american, more talent than technique... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have always been labelled as the 'Brazilians of Europe' and rightly so for their skill level and the way they play, though it has been very disappointing to see them fall over in a heap during the latter stages of big tournaments. Their best result in a World Cup was 3rd, so hopefully soon they can go all the way. I'm also certain that if the civil war didn't take place in Yugoslavia and it was still all the one country, they would have gone all the way at France 98 after Croatia's 3rd placing there, and Yugoslavia's unlucky exit to Holland (damn that penalty miss!)

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Oh and Australia won't have to play against Chile, because we're far, far away from qualifying... This is my list of candidates for qualifying in the South American group (you can compare it to the ones that actually qualify, after the qualifying finishes): 1º Argentina, 2º Brazil, 3º Paraguay, 4º Colombia, 5º Ecuador... You should be playing against Ecuador, and God only knows what could happen there... Good luck... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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Wow, I didn't realise how far behind Chile is, they're way back in 8th spot at the moment. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/afraid4.gif And Ecuador is actually ahead of Brazil currently by 1 point, Brazil is 4th, Colombia 5th and Uruguay 6th, so it looks like we'll have to play one of those three teams. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/afraid2.gif

May 17, 2001, 05:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:
Oh and against which team were you playing when you won like 31-0 in the WC Qualifying? It was a World Guiness Record, you know... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Oh man, what a joke the qualifying has been for us so far. We started it off with a 22-0 win over Tonga, then beat American Samoa 31-0, and followed that up with 11-0 against Samoa. So now Australia has, after 4 games, a goals for-and-against of 66-0. That's not soccer, not even rugby! More close to a cricket score. I'm glad FIFA sat up and took notice now cause the games have been mismatched in our groupings for quite some time, so there will definitely be changes made to the system after that.

May 17, 2001, 05:55 PM

darkhorse

May 17, 2001, 08:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Nowhere Man:
Oh man, what a joke the qualifying has been for us so far. We started it off with a 22-0 win over Tonga, then beat American Samoa 31-0, and followed that up with 11-0 against Samoa. So now Australia has, after 4 games, a goals for-and-against of 66-0. That's not soccer, not even rugby! More close to a cricket score. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm pretty sure those national teams played soccer with coconuts instead of footballs... That might be just one reason for those scores... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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darkhorse

May 17, 2001, 08:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Nowhere Man:
They have always been labelled as the 'Brazilians of Europe' and rightly so for their skill level and the way they play, though it has been very disappointing to see them fall over in a heap during the latter stages of big tournaments. Their best result in a World Cup was 3rd, so hopefully soon they can go all the way. I'm also certain that if the civil war didn't take place in Yugoslavia and it was still all the one country, they would have gone all the way at France 98 after Croatia's 3rd placing there, and Yugoslavia's unlucky exit to Holland (damn that penalty miss!) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yugoslavia was also fourth in the 1962 Chile World Cup... They lost the 3rd place game... against Chile... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif Anyway, I really wanted Croatia to win that last World Cup, I mean they lost the semi-finals with France with two goals that were scored in like two minutes (I went to the bathroom and missed them both, that's why I remember it...http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif)... But both were good teams, and I totally agree with you: with Yugoslavia being united with Croatia, as it was before (remember Robert Proscineki -I don't know about the spelling there, so you'll have to correct me- and other great players back in the 90's...) The Yugoslavian team has always been a great one. I really hope you do well in next World Cup. And I really hope to see Croatia there. How are they going lately?

Oh, and remember this: Australia is going to play against Ecuador for that World Cup qualifying... And you can perfectly win... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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"I'm a dark horse
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May 17, 2001, 08:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:
I'm pretty sure those national teams played soccer with coconuts instead of footballs... That might be just one reason for those scores... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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You're not wrong there, I was telling my dad the exact same thing... that they train on the beaches kicking coconuts around. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

May 17, 2001, 11:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By darkhorse:
with Yugoslavia being united with Croatia, as it was before (remember Robert Proscineki -I don't know about the spelling there, so you'll have to correct me- and other great players back in the 90's...) The Yugoslavian team has always been a great one.
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Yes, very true. Prosinecki, Dragan Stojkovic, Dejan Savicevic, Vladimir Jugovic and Darko Pancev just to name a few... all great players, especially through the late 80s/early 90s - all played for Red Star when they won the European Cup and World Club championship in 1991 (I was fortunate enough to meet AND train with them shortly before this - highlight of my life!), as well as for Yugoslavia when they won the World Youth Cup back in 1979.

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>I really hope you do well in next World Cup. And I really hope to see Croatia there. How are they going lately? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We'll have to qualify first of course, but we should do so along with Russia in our group (Slovenia is the other threat, Switzerland isn't doing too badly either). Croatia, on the other hand, is in a very similar position. They should go through with Scotland, but will have to tussle with Belgium for the other spot.

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Oh, and remember this: Australia is going to play against Ecuador for that World Cup qualifying... And you can perfectly win... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif
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You really think it'll be Ecuador? I think they might finish 4th (they beat Brazil 1-0) and Colombia will finish 5th. Here's the current standings, after 12 games, for the South American qualifying group:

1. Argentina - 29 pts
2. Paraguay - 23 pts
3. Ecuador - 22 pts
4. Brazil - 21 pts
5. Colombia - 19 pts
6. Uruguay - 18 pts
7. Peru - 12 pts
8. Chile - 10 pts
9. Bolivia - 10 pts
10. Venezuela - 4 pts

It's very disappointing to see Chile so far behind, they are a superb team and have some wonderful talent. I really hope they can catch up and make a good fight for those top 5 places.

[This Message Has Been Edited By Nowhere Man On May 17, 2001 11:12 PM]

FPSHOT

May 17, 2001, 11:31 PM

Yeah, the Dutch just can't wait to beat them, whoever will make it.

We already started practicing on penalties.

Our manager Louis Van Gaal is expected to select some specialists in penelaties, even if their other qualities are not that good.

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darkhorse

May 18, 2001, 09:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Nowhere Man:
You really think it'll be Ecuador? I think they might finish 4th (they beat Brazil 1-0) and Colombia will finish 5th.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't know how brazilians do it, but they always finish having good results... So I think they'll get over this crisis and finish in either 3rd or 4th place (and don't be surprised if they finsih 2nd)... Argentina is practically there... And Ecuador has been pretty much of a surprise, since they've never gone to a World Cup before...

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR> 8. Chile - 10 pts
It's very disappointing to see Chile so far behind, they are a superb team and have some wonderful talent. I really hope they can catch up and make a good fight for those top 5 places. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It will take a miracle for that, but thank you. We used to have a great team when Iván Zamorano and Marcelo Salas were the splendid couple of talents they used to be... Now Zamorano has grown older (after the last game against Uruguay in Santiago he said he'll never play with our national team again), and Marcelo Salas (which is my favorite soccer player and a very talented one) has been injured for a couple of months... Plus, we changed our coach and nothing seems to be working right still. I think the problem is that we don't have a strong midfield. We'll see what we can do in Copa America this winter (summer for you in the North) in Colombia... But we've already said bye-bye to the World Cup... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif

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darkhorse

May 18, 2001, 09:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
We already started practicing on penalties.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I hope you don't end like in the last World Cup in France, losing against Brazil in the same instance... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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darkhorse

May 18, 2001, 09:36 AM

Oh and congrats to the Liverpool fans (I mean the soccer team) for the UEFA cup...
5-4 that's a match!!! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/thumbsup.gif

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May 18, 2001, 09:31 PM

One of the best finals you'll ever see, splendid game and great result! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/grin.gif

May 18, 2001, 09:33 PM

...shame about losing to an own goal though.

darkhorse

May 19, 2001, 01:31 PM

Pity the poor guy... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif The latest game Chile played in the WC Qualifying was also lost by an own-goal... 0-1 against Uruguay in our own Estadio Nacional...

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May 19, 2001, 11:33 PM

My God, you don't want to score an own goal if you're South American! I'm sure everyone can remember what happened to poor Andres Escobar after he scored an own goal which led to Colombia losing 2-1 to the US (and eventually being eliminated) in the '94 World Cup. What a terrible tragedy. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif

darkhorse

May 20, 2001, 09:50 AM

Hey we wanted to kill Italo Díaz after he scored the own-goal, but we never did, don't worry... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif Those things don't happen here anymore. That was a terrible tragedy, of course.

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"I'm a dark horse
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Tim

May 20, 2001, 08:01 PM

It could be worse...Chile could always make Diego Armando maradona manager...

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darkhorse

May 21, 2001, 11:27 AM

Nooooooo, thank you... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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Tim

May 21, 2001, 04:44 PM

Also,I beleive Chile is one of the 5 national teams Bora Multinovic hasn't coached for yet http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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darkhorse

May 21, 2001, 06:38 PM

Fortunately, not... But he was really close to be our National Coach about a couple of years ago... He was the bolivian Coach, though.

Oh... And don't forget (you all) to watch the Champions League Final this Wednesday!!!

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May 21, 2001, 11:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Tim:
Also,I beleive Chile is one of the 5 national teams Bora Multinovic hasn't coached for yet http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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He's done purty well with the teams he's coached. Must be a Yugoslav thing. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

[This Message Has Been Edited By Nowhere Man On May 22, 2001 11:07 PM]

bearkat77

May 22, 2001, 09:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Nowhere Man:
He's done prety well with the teams he's coached. Must be a Yugoslav thing. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty post. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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