Two Days Harrisong Suggestion Volume 5 [Archive]

FPSHOT

Oct 28, 2003, 10:45 PM

Moving on, I'd like to take a Wilbury song, one with the great video.

Inside Out

I really really love Inside Out.

It maybe just one of them all, but this one is really special, also because of George doing this fantastic show in the video clip, and his verse which is not so bad itself too.

Look out your window
That grass ain't green
It's kinda yellow
See what I mean?
Look up your chimney
The sky ain't blue
It's kinda yellow
You know it's true
(It's so hard to figure what it's all about)

When your outsides in (inside out)
And your downsides up (upside down)
Yeah, your upsides right (rightside up)
Yeah, don't it make you wanna twist and shout
When you're inside out

Look down your drain pipe
What color do you see?
It's got to be yellow
Don't try to fool me
(And don't it make you wanna twist and shout)

When your outsides in (inside out)
And your downsides up (upside down)
Yeah, your upsides right (rightside up)
Yeah, don't it make you wanna twist and shout
When you're inside out

Be careful where you're walking
You might step in something rough
Be careful where you're talking
And saying all that stuff
Take care when you are breathing
Something's funny in the air
And somethings I'm not saying
'bout what's happening out there
It's inside out

Look into the future
With your mystic crystal ball
See if it ain't yellow
See if it's there at all
(Ain't no shadow or a doubt)
(Don't it make you wanna twist and shout)

When your outsides in (inside out)
And your downsides up (upside down)
Yeah, your upsides right (rightside up)
Yeah, don't it make you wanna twist and shout
When you're inside out
(Inside out)
(Right side up)
Yeah, don't it make you wanna twist and shout
When you're inside out
Inside out
Inside out

darkhorse

Oct 29, 2003, 07:26 AM

This is probably my favorite Wilburys song, save for "Handle With Care" and "End Of The Line" maybe. I like the way Bob talks about confusion and how he sings about it, and of course the way George contributes with his verse to do an 'advertising' against that confusion ("be careful where you're walking")... because he always was thinking that people was being brainwahsed. And we all are! That's his message here... be careful with everything you do. I love it.

The video is hilarious and I love it too. images/icons/smile.gif

Legs

Oct 29, 2003, 07:34 AM

My favourite part is the one that George sings.

"Be careful where you're walking
You might step in something rough
Be careful where you're talking
And saying all that stuff
Take care when you are breathing
Something's funny in the air
And somethings I'm not saying
'bout what's happening out there
It's inside out "

I turn the volume up for that, Dylan is ok to but that part musicaly and emotionaly for me, lifts the song up.

No disrespect to Dylan, the lyrics are about a serious matter, but to me only George is able to bring the serious message of the song accros.

FPSHOT

Oct 29, 2003, 07:37 AM

graemlins/clap1.gif great one Legs , yeah George really comes forward in the song.

old_moon_shining

Oct 30, 2003, 02:40 AM

I agree Legs, it is the highlight of the song. Actually sounds as if it may have a different author.

Rellevart

Oct 30, 2003, 04:42 AM

I like this song a lot - and how can you NOT love the goofy video? images/icons/smile.gif

Siobhan

Oct 30, 2003, 06:03 AM

One of the Wilburys finest, and yes, the part Legs pointed out is the highlight for me too.

FPSHOT

Oct 30, 2003, 04:01 PM

From the White Album, a song which shows quite well the Hari-Humor.

Piggies

What I like most about this is the harpsichord and that actually came by accident because Chris Thomas, who plays it, saw it and George thought it was a good idea to take it in.

Chris remembered that he and George were tinkling away on it and George started playing another song, which later turned out to become "Something", and Chris said "why don't we do this one", so George said "do you like it" "oh maybe I give it to Jackie Lomax then, he can do it as a single" .....

As for the lyrics, you'll be surprised to learn that George's mother came up with "What they need's a damn good whacking" graemlins/smile1.gif

One verse was not used on the song

Everwhere there's lots of piggies
Playing piggie pranks
You can see them on their trotters
At the piggy banks
Paying piggy thanks
To thee pig brother

Here are the album lyrics;

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all those little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking.

Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.

Instruments & additional info.:

Harrison: vocal, guitar
Lennon: tape loops
McCartney: bass
Starr: tambourine
Chris Thomas: harpsichord
Henry Daytner, Eric Bowie, Norman Lederman, Ronald Thomas: violins
John Underwood, Keith Cummings: violas
Eldon Fox, Reginald Kilbey: cellos

[ Oct 30, 2003, 11:19 PM: Message Edited By: FPSHOT ]

lennonluvr9

Oct 30, 2003, 07:38 PM

I love Piggies! I think it's such a fun song. Especially the last verse! I love that!

sourmilkpinky

Oct 31, 2003, 07:56 AM

I too like Piggies. Kinda weird and silly but pretty good. Always reminded me of a renaissance sound. I pictue everyone decked out in that time period and all.

Rellevart

Oct 31, 2003, 08:41 AM

I took a couple of harpsichord lessons when I was a teenager and I always used to try to play the solo on this song....I like the song - it's kind of interesting that it's so light and airy, musically, but sort of heavyhanded lyrically.

old_moon_shining

Oct 31, 2003, 09:01 AM

Oh well, I'm just going to be a bit different here. Not one of my favourites at all. images/icons/frown.gif

Magill

Oct 31, 2003, 09:02 AM

I love the message he's sending out those who live "high on the hog". (And I don't mean a Harley either. images/icons/wink.gif ) Nice fitting tune for the animal side of the White Album. images/icons/grin.gif

Legs

Oct 31, 2003, 09:37 AM

Not really fond of this song, music and lyric wise not my favourite.Not that it matters but I had prefered Not Guilty instead, oh heck throw one of Paul's ditys of and include Not Guilty, but Piggies is still not my favourite.

darkhorse

Oct 31, 2003, 01:18 PM

It's a good song, a nice social commentary with some of George's "acid but innocent" humour. I enjoy the lyrics, and the arrangement too, but somehow the song as a whole is not a favorite either. I guess the other three George songs in the White Album are great enough! I would have included "Not Guilty" too, btw. images/icons/smile.gif

FPSHOT

Oct 31, 2003, 02:01 PM

Oh it's not on my favorite list either, but the vocals, the riff, yeah on this albums it fits quite well for me. One slow one (Long 3x), then While My Guitar, and then this.

Funny enough, just after India, no "Indian" song on it.

Legs

Oct 31, 2003, 02:23 PM

Well you got the Inner Light, which also should have been on the White Album. There just goes yet another Paul song.

sourmilkpinky

Oct 31, 2003, 03:06 PM

Hey while we are at it let's throw off one of John's too and put Old Brown Shoe on.

Legs

Nov 01, 2003, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted By sourmilkpinky:
Hey while we are at it let's throw off one of John's too and put Old Brown Shoe on.That song isn't even from 1968, if you had said Circles, that would have been a posibility.

But I am sorry for turning this into a, what songs should have been on the White album, topic. I just find that Not Guilty and The Inner Light would have been better George choises for the White Album then Piggies,but since I still find Piggies an o.k song and I wouldn't have mind 6 or more George songs on an album, I said that about Paul's song being knocked off. I still like Pigies better then the "Honey Pie" songs.

[ Nov 01, 2003, 02:20 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

FPSHOT

Nov 01, 2003, 02:17 AM

That's okay Legs, I agree on the thoughts and I know George did too, he already had so many songs by that time, even songs which appeared much later on solo albums, but the moment was not given to him yet to explore his talents to the actual records via his own material.

In a way I am glad, because we would not have had All Things Must Pass in the same way and personally I prefer the solo version of Not Guilty over the Beatles one, I just don't like the Waltz part in the Beatles one and the basic riff is repeated too much.

[ Nov 01, 2003, 02:18 AM: Message Edited By: FPSHOT ]

sourmilkpinky

Nov 01, 2003, 02:29 AM

I wrote my comment kinda tongue in cheek too, sorry. I also apologize that my knowledge of when songs are written isn't quite right.
I guess I was trying to say that George was writing so well, imo then (and little later) and it seemed to me, again imo, that Paul and John were having a harder time coming up with good stuff. If Piggies, which I certainly don't think is one of George's best songs is well liked (and it is by me)that it was put on the album instead of 'Not Guilty' or 'Inner Light' some reason was behind it. But I will keep my opinions on that to myself.

FPSHOT

Nov 01, 2003, 02:33 AM

For today, one we have not often had here.

From the popular Somewhere In England album graemlins/smile1.gif

In fact it's quite a good up tempo song with the slide guitar following his dodadodado singing

Unconsciousnes Rules

is one of those songs you hardly play perhaps and when you do, say 'wow, not bad'.

It is so basic George, so why don't I play it often graemlins/thinker.gif it has the slide guitar, nice vocals, the sax, the keyboard, great drumming, tempo, so a lot of what one can ask for in a Harrisong is there.

Simon Leng desribes it very nice, he says, the lyrics are George's way of saying he doesn't like disco's, whereas at the same time, by the tempo of the song, it wouldn't misfit in a disco and a good dance tune.

Lyrics:
You dance at the discotheque
That's why you look such a wreck
Your face is pale you look drawn
Your clothes are dirty and torn
You've got that look in your eyes that says
You're half alive and you're lost inside
Meanwhile you're back in your cage
Ego'd out on the stage
Where the unconsciousness rules

You've got yourself in a bind
You don't know how to unwind
Your senses unsatisfied
Take you along on a ride
You've got a way and a stance that says
You'll dance the pants off of everyone
Then you go back on the floor
You got to get through the door
Where the unconsciousness rules.

You've lost a screw in your head
It shows the way you're led
Blind leading the blind
Nothing can stand in your way
You're living day after day
Where the unconsciousness rules.

FPSHOT

Nov 01, 2003, 02:37 AM

Sourmilkpinky and Legs, no please don't, a little off topic is very well allowed here, it's better to discuss it than to hide it and wait for some other topic to put it in.

I like a good discussion, so please open up and feel free.

sourmilkpinky

Nov 01, 2003, 02:42 AM

I only have this album on vinyl and haven't listened to it enough to remeber it exactly. I can't play it right now (I have to listen to George loud and it's the middle of the night here) so I'll get back to you on this.

old_moon_shining

Nov 01, 2003, 04:40 AM

I only have this one on vinyl too and it is the middle of the night here too. The household is asleep and so I can't have a listen. However, I remember it quite well. It is indeed one that needs to be played loud. I like the beat and have danced around the kitchen to it more than once. I just love the edge to the lyrics and think it generally quite good. Not being able to refresh my memory by playing it I have to just guess that there would be keyboard in it that may offend the George purists.

Legs

Nov 01, 2003, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted By old_moon_shining:
Not being able to refresh my memory by playing it I have to just guess that there would be keyboard in it that may offend the George purists.Well yes it's not the style I prefer to hear George in, and with all that "Doo wap doo wa" backing vocals I can't say this is one I like to listen to often, fortunately I also have it only vinyl, oh no wait I have it on cd-r to.

darkhorse

Nov 01, 2003, 02:20 PM

CD-R for me, too. And there are the slide guitars, which I think are the best part of the song. Other than that, I'm not a big fan of the lyrics or the heavy use of keyboards, but I do enjoy a nice little song like this one from time to time, and so it's one of the ones I like the most from Somewhere In England (the "popular" album images/icons/wink.gif )

sourmilkpinky

Nov 01, 2003, 04:05 PM

ok I gave it a listen. Not one of my favorites from the album. It just doesn't seem to suit his style. Some of the music parts I can get into for a minute then it loses me again.

Savoy Truffle

Nov 01, 2003, 10:51 PM

I'm afraid this song is not really a favourite of mine either. I find the melody quite hummable and catching and get a kick out of his dodado's or doolangdoo's (sometimes they kind of sound like that to me), but sometimes I think this is one that he should have maybe left in his vaults, but I don't skip over it.

I do enjoy Piggies though. And I also prefer George's solo version of Not Guilty over the Beatles one.

old_moon_shining

Nov 01, 2003, 10:54 PM

Had a listen. Just as well no one else was about because I'm dancing all around the living room. I can't listen to this song without lifting my feet. This song is just brimming with George's humour. It isn't to be taken seriously, it is a parody. One song in this vein is quite enough though. However, IMPO, it is an interesting addition to his catalogue. Was it one of the replacement songs?

Legs

Nov 01, 2003, 11:17 PM

No, this song was also on the original line up. And now the discusion, should it have been take off. Well yes ladies and gentlemen, Flying hour and Sat Singing for example were better songs imo. But still a nice little foot taper.

Blood from a clone, is a song that George wrote as a protest at Warners.And is a replacement song. Kind of ironic that this "protest" song against the record company, did end up on the record. Sorry for bringin in another song so early, but I just thought of this and from later today till almost the end of the week I am without a pc, well at home anyway I have to take up more of my boss his time at work, to post at links.

FPSHOT

Nov 02, 2003, 01:43 AM

The original set up of the album was

Hong Kong Blues
Writing's On The Wall
Flying Hour
Lay His Head
Unconsciousness Rules

Sat Singing
Life Itself
Tears Of The World
Baltimore Oriole
Save The World

The actual album is

Blood From A Clone *
Unconsciousness Rules
Life Itself
All Those Years Ago*
Baltimore Oriole

Teardrops*
That Which I Have Lost*
Writing's On The Wall
Hong Kong Blues
Save The World

Legs is right on Blood From A Clone, being about the music industry, changig so much and giving little space for the musicians to release what they believe is their 'real' work. So he had to take out the best impo and added typical commercial songs.

I will write some more about the album in a separate topic.

Siobhan

Nov 02, 2003, 01:40 PM

I quite like Unconsciousness Rules. It's not one of George's best perhaps, and definitely not better than some of the rejected tracks from SIE, but it's still quite good. The keyboards and backing vocals take a little of the shine off it for me though.

old_moon_shining

Nov 03, 2003, 01:48 AM

Thanks Legs and FPSHOT, but is does make me wonder a bit. George does seem to have been in a similiar mood when he wrote Unconsciousness Rules and Blood From a Clone.

[ Nov 03, 2003, 01:59 AM: Message Edited By: old_moon_shining ]

Savoy Truffle

Nov 03, 2003, 02:23 PM

Yeah, there is a similarity about them isn't there old-moon. Except they have different targets.

lennonluvr9

Nov 03, 2003, 07:19 PM

Can I suggest a song? How bout Devil's Radio? I like that one a lot!

FPSHOT

Nov 04, 2003, 04:51 AM

You most certainly can

Devil's Radio

it is.

A clear rocker. George said about this one that the only thing missing is Bob Dylan singing it graemlins/smile1.gif

A lot of gossip in the world, I really agree. The words you hear in the background are "Hey, you wouldn't believe what I heard"

sourmilkpinky

Nov 04, 2003, 05:14 AM

help? what album?

Savoy Truffle

Nov 04, 2003, 02:50 PM

Cloud Nine. images/icons/smile.gif

Great little rocker and all round fun song. Yeah, I can see Dylan aprreciating this one.

FPSHOT

Nov 04, 2003, 03:24 PM

Gossip, gossip
Gossip, gossip

I heard it in the night
Words that thoughtless speak
Like vultures swooping down below
On the devil's radio

I hear it through the day
Airwaves gettin' filled
With gossip broadcast to and fro
On the devil's radio

Oh yeah, gossip
Gossip, oh yeah

He's in the clubs and bars
And never turns it down
Talking about what he don't know
On the devil's radio

He's in your TV set
Won't give it a rest
That soul betraying so and so
The devil's radio

Gossip, gossip
Gossip, gossip
(Oh yeah) gossip, (gossip) oh yeah
(Gossip) oh yeah, (oh yeah) gossip

It's white and black like industrial waste
Pollution of the highest degree
You wonder why I don't hang out much
I wonder how you can't see

He's in the films and songs
And on all your magazines
It's everywhere that you may go
The devil's radio

Oh yeah, gossip
Gossip, oh yeah

Runs thick and fast, no one really sees
Quite what bad it can do
As it shapes you into something cold
Like an Eskimo igloo

It's all across our lives
Like a weed it's spread
'till nothing else has space to grow
The devil's radio

Can creep up in the dark
Make us hide behind shades
And buzzing like a dynamo
The devil's radio

(Gossip) oh yeah, (gossip) oh yeah
(Gossip) gossip, (gossip) gossip
Oh yeah, gossip I heard you on the secret wireless
Gossip, oh yeah You know the devil's radio, child
Gossip, gossip
Gossip, gossip

sourmilkpinky

Nov 04, 2003, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By Savoy Truffle:
Cloud Nine. images/icons/smile.gif

Great little rocker and all round fun song. Yeah, I can see Dylan aprreciating this one.Thanks I figured it was from one of the two I don't have. I miss out again.

darkhorse

Nov 04, 2003, 05:34 PM

I like that song. I wouldn't have chosen it as a single (it was a single, the fourth off Cloud Nine), as I do believe it has kind of a controversial air as "Cockamamie Business" or even "P2 Vatican Blues" have. I do like the strength of the lyrics, although it's not my favorite way to express the feelings. But when George does this "straight in your face" kind of things, I sort of love it, too... Yeah I'm so biased.

old_moon_shining

Nov 05, 2003, 04:24 PM

I like his 'in your face' lyrics too. Not bashful about saying how he saw things. Didn't seem to worry about consequences either.
Like the beat of this. Not one of my favourites from the album but not my least fav either. About middle of the field.

friar-park

Nov 05, 2003, 07:46 PM

Listen to the guitars on Cloud 9! Even if you don't like the words, the guitar interplay is cool!!! That reminds me, I gotta go over to RRS.

Savoy Truffle

Nov 05, 2003, 08:15 PM

Oh, I've always paid attention to the guitar interplay on Cloud 9. Absolutely loved it from the moment I heard it. Tis great! images/icons/smile.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 05, 2003, 11:56 PM

Back to Brainwashed for the next one.

Rocking Chair In Hawaii

A song of which the origin dates back to the ATMP sessions, when it was left as a bootleg called "down to the river" also known as "The Yodel Song" which was more of a jam with even a trumpet very much involved and probably quite some herbal tea as well. It had other lyrics then, in fact just the maine theme "I'm going down to the river and get/take me a rocking chair" and things like "and if the blues don't leave me" and "take me my fishing hook"

Now by the time it became the Brainwashed song, he forgot about the fishing hook and seemed more interested in other ways to spend time at the river, which can be very nice I'd say, just by a quiet river ...lots of trees .. oops.

Quite 'special' lyrics hehehe, as if he's saying, "well I'm off to my rocking chair, however ..well then you'll know where to find me... quite naughty naughty George graemlins/smile1.gif

The music score has been influenced by a Hawaiian Slack Guitar tune which is used for Disney's Lilo and Stich. I happened to find it by accident early this year, when Hari's Chick told me to listen to some slack guitar music (which I can recommend, because you will find quite some Harrison references there) On WinMX it's known as "Hawaiian Slack Guitar Instrumental" or something like that.

Rocking Chair In Hawaii

I'm going down to the river
Gonna take me my rocking chair
Going down to the river
Gonna take me my rocking chair
And if the blues don't leave me
Gonna rock on away from here

If you want me woman
Please don't act so shy
If you want me woman
Please don't pass me by
I love those sideways glances
Your shoulder and your thigh

I see inside your eyes, the Baba's Sai
The reasons why I love you

So if you're still busy hiding
What it is you've got
If you're frightened of losing
What you like a lot
You may be cuisin' backwards
While thinking that you're not

I see inside your eyes, the Baba's Sai
The reasons why I love you

So if you don't get the picture
You won't know what I feel
If you don't get the picture
Then you won't have a depth of field
You may be going someplace
Someplace you've already been

Siobhan

Nov 06, 2003, 03:55 AM

This is one of my favourites from Brainwashed. It's just so different, not what you might expect from George, and it sounds great! His voice is very sexy on this one too images/icons/wink.gif

Savoy Truffle

Nov 06, 2003, 11:59 AM

I just love, love, love this song! I was just thinking about it too, that I don't recall this song being the Harrisong suggestion before.

I know we've discussed this song in other topics; especially noting George's naughty, racy lyrics and his oh so sexy vocals.(Sorry guys images/icons/wink.gif ) Also note the sexy chord he uses after the line "If you want me woman" and again after "please don't pass me by".

The song has depth too when you take into account the 'Baba Sai' reference. For me this song is one of those that really embodies the spirit of George. I also love the Hawaiian slack key thing he has happening here.

George is really in his element in this song. Well, this is all what I feel about this song anyway. images/icons/smile.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 07, 2003, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By Savoy Truffle:
Also note the sexy chord he uses after the line "If you want me woman" and again after "please don't pass me by".

George is really in his element in this song. Well, this is all what I feel about this song anyway. images/icons/smile.gif Oh yeah, you are so right about the chord! Mmm, yeah....

The vocals are sexy and expressive....love the highs which also mirror the Hawaiian style of singing as well. Couldn't be better...and interesting to witness it's evolution as FPSHOT mentioned!

Savoy Truffle

Nov 07, 2003, 11:08 AM

Yes, the evolution of this song is very interesting. And with the exception of keeping the basic melody and the first verse of the song, a very different song. I'm glad he held onto this one all these years to release it as the song it became. Perfect for a more 'mature' George.

sourmilkpinky

Nov 07, 2003, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By sourmilkpinky:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Savoy Truffle:
Cloud Nine. images/icons/smile.gif

Great little rocker and all round fun song. Yeah, I can see Dylan aprreciating this one.Thanks I figured it was from one of the two I don't have. I miss out again.<hr /></blockquote>Yeeehawww I found 'cloud nine' at the used store today!!!!! I like, I like.

old_moon_shining

Nov 08, 2003, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By sourmilkpinky:
Yeeehawww I found 'cloud nine' at the used store today!!!!! I like, I like.Good for you. I am sure that you will get hours of pleasure from it.

FPSHOT

Nov 08, 2003, 01:35 AM

Today, I think a Wilbury song may be nice

Typical Dylan song, but then, George is very much in it, like in the

"Seven.... Seven... Seven...." graemlins/smile1.gif

Seven Deadly Sins

The music score always reminds me of some 60's music and in particular "This Boy" and even the instrumental one in the movie; it even has a similar chord structure.

And well the lyrics, very very Dylan-ish,

"You gotta love Bob, don't ya?!"

LYRICS
Seven deadly sins
That's how the world begins
Watch out when you step in
For seven deadly sins
Seven deadly sins
That's when the fun begins
(Seven deadly sins)

(Sin number one) was when you left me
(Sin number two) you said goodbye
(Sin number three) was when you told me a little white lie

Seven deadly sins
Once it starts, it never ends (seven deadly sins)
Watch out aroung the bend (seven deadly sins)
A seven deadly sins (seven deadly sins)

(Sin number four) was when you looked my way
(Sin number five) was when you smiled
(Sin number six) was when you let me stay
Sin number seven was when you touched me and told me why

Seven deadly sins
So many rules to bend
Time and time again
Seven deadly sins
Seven deadly sins

(Seven deadly sins)
(Seven deadly sins)
(Seven deadly sins)

Seven deadly sins
That's how the world begins (seven deadly sins)
Watch out when you step in (seven deadly sins)
For seven deadly sins
Seven (seven) seven (seven) seven (seven) seven (deadly sins)

Hari's Chick

Nov 08, 2003, 10:08 AM

Lucky number seven images/icons/smile.gif ...and George's favorite number. graemlins/heart2.gif This is a great great song of today! graemlins/clap3.gif graemlins/clap3.gif graemlins/clap3.gif

sourmilkpinky

Nov 08, 2003, 03:32 PM

at first it wasn't one of my favorites but it has grown on me and I do enjoy the vocals.

darkhorse

Nov 09, 2003, 05:15 PM

"Seven Deadly Sins" is a joyful lyric game that was apparently thought by Bob Dylan. It works so well in the context of a so "happy" album like Volume III that you can enjoy it perfectly in that place. images/icons/smile.gif

I had to make silence during the chat about "Rocking Chair". As someone said, if you don't have anything nice to say about something, then don't say anything at all. I know I don't always follow that advice, but seeing that everybody enjoyed the song so much made me swallow my thoughts. images/icons/wink.gif

Savoy Truffle

Nov 09, 2003, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:
[QB
I had to make silence during the chat about "Rocking Chair". As someone said, if you don't have anything nice to say about something, then don't say anything at all. I know I don't always follow that advice, but seeing that everybody enjoyed the song so much made me swallow my thoughts. images/icons/wink.gif [/QB]graemlins/laugh5.gif Oh, go on darkhorse, tell us! images/icons/wink.gif I was wondering why you kept silent here, but suspected you may not have liked it.
Some of us though(and definitely me) probably like this song enough even for you too. images/icons/grin.gif

Back to Seven Deadly Sins; this has always been one of my fave's from WilburyIII. I definitely love Bob here. I hear George in this song too, particlarly in the melody. And love those seven's. images/icons/smile.gif

old_moon_shining

Nov 10, 2003, 02:26 AM

Darkhorse - if you weren't going to say anything, you shouldn't have said anything . Now I suggest that you have many of us interested. images/icons/wink.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 10, 2003, 02:51 AM

Actually Darkhorse, I did not really like the Rocking Chair that much untill I was being suggested to read the lyrics graemlins/laugh5.gif

Legs

Nov 10, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:
I had to make silence during the chat about "Rocking Chair". As someone said, if you don't have anything nice to say about something, then don't say anything at all. I know I don't always follow that advice, but seeing that everybody enjoyed the song so much made me swallow my thoughts. images/icons/wink.gif How can there be a discusion if you're not even allowed to say that you don't like a song. If everyone kept silence when they don't like a song there would be lot less responses to a thread like this.
Should we all just say

"Yeah I like that song"
"Yeah I like that song to"

"Yeah me to"

"Like everyone else I really like that song"

"You know what I like that song also"

"Me to"

"I really like that song"

"I like this song very much"

"This song I really like"

"Yes I like that song to"

"Oh I like that song"

"I really like that song"

"Me to."

....

[ Nov 10, 2003, 04:04 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

FPSHOT

Nov 10, 2003, 04:37 AM

Are you okay, Legs? graemlins/smile1.gif

I like a good discussion, you know I can be critical, but with argumentation, so here at Crackerbox Palace, every discussion is very much allowed.

But.... I don't think Darkhorse meant that with being silent.

Legs

Nov 10, 2003, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
But.... I don't think Darkhorse meant that with being silent.Then call me confused, as I don't know what else he could mean.

As for Deadly 7 sins. I can be silent about that song cause I haven't heard it in awhile. I don't really care for it that much, but It might be one of those songs where I go, hey I actually like it it's not bad after all.So let me search for the cd and I give it a listen.

Legs

Nov 10, 2003, 11:51 AM

Well the best thing I can say about it is that I agree with Darkhorse, that it works so well in the context of a so "happy" album like Volume III that you can enjoy it perfectly in that place It's not a favourite of mine, the music I would say is placed more in the late 50's early 60's, the lyrics are clever at times. Actually I don't hear much of George in it, so to me this isn't really a Two Days Harrisong, but a two days Dylan song.

Hari's Chick

Nov 10, 2003, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:

"Yeah I like that song"
"Yeah I like that song to"

"Yeah me to"

"Like everyone else I really like that song"

"You know what I like that song also"

"Me to"

"I really like that song"

"I like this song very much"

"This song I really like"

"Yes I like that song to"

"Oh I like that song"

"I really like that song"

"Me to."

....graemlins/laugh2.gif graemlins/laugh6.gif graemlins/laugh7.gif

I think even MORE proper would be....

"George shows perfection in this lyric"

"His writing is superb in this section."

"His grace overflows in that, Yes."

"Could he possibly be better as human and as songwriter, singer, and guitarist? No, he is perfection itself."

"Sorry, I must disagree, he is BEYOND perfection."

"Which is more perfect~ guitar or vocals?"

"Both excel."

"Oh yes, absolutely."

And..LOL...I mean it!! images/icons/grin.gif

[ Nov 10, 2003, 06:50 PM: Message Edited By: Hari's Chick ]

old_moon_shining

Nov 10, 2003, 11:33 PM

That unlike winter came and went
Your love is forever

That bit always gets me. So really beautiful.

Just to add my two cents to the previous discussion. Like darkhorse, I sometimes don't want to say something that I feel. No disrespect to the forum or the people here. Just my inabilities. So sometimes I don't comment. Not for a moment that I consider darkhorse to have inabilities in this arena. I consider his opinions A1. So OK my friend, why don't you like 'Rocking Chair'??

[ Nov 10, 2003, 11:36 PM: Message Edited By: old_moon_shining ]

FPSHOT

Nov 11, 2003, 12:08 AM

It feels like on of my answers in between your two posts Legs has been deleted, strange...

Traveling Wilburys is still related, so like Harrisong-ish and the guiding lines of this Forum allow this.

But, let's move on okay?

I was just playing guitar to a great Harrisong, which is

Your Love Is Forever

and it's based on actually playing around with the D chord.

It's wonderful to do that and any guitarist here I would invite to play the song, it's so beautiful.

Let's have this one today and think of the fact that George did this song by the music first and then as he says, it was so hard to find good words to it.

Well I think he very well succeded.

Sublime in the summertime, warm and lazy . . .
These are perfect days like Heaven's about here,
But unlike summer came and went -
Your love is forever,
I feel it and my heart knows
That we share it together.

Resigned to the wintertime's cold and dreary
Peering into fire flames, burning I know
That unlike winter came and went
Your love is forever
I feel it and my heart knows
That we share it together

I feel it and my heart knows you're the one
The guiding light in all your love shines on
The only lover worth it all
Your love is forever.

FPSHOT

Nov 11, 2003, 02:55 AM

"This Song" will be the next .... but we're not finished here

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Siobhan

Nov 11, 2003, 03:00 AM

I used to have trouble saying negative comments about songs when this topic first started, but I don't worry about it now so much. It does make for more interesting discussion when people have different opinions.

But saying that I do really like Your Love is Forever. The lyrics are very poetic, with some beautiful imagery. George does a great job on the vocals too. I love the high notes!

FPSHOT

Nov 11, 2003, 03:48 AM

Since we are on the subject of 'discussion' and not liking songs, I can say that it's not an automatic thing to me that I love and adore every song George has recorded.

And even on the ones I like, but not love, I can very much start a discussion on what I don't love/like.

Now, do we want this here?

I think we do, and I think I can speak for Hari's Chick too.

Why?

Because I think that all members who write here at OUR Palace, have opinions and can give argumentation as to why not, or why less.

So please, feel free to share thoughts, it's not that e.g. I am only interested in hearing that you love the songs that I, or anyone else, suggest.

This should be a Forum where we also discuss each others dislikes.

Hari's Chick

Nov 11, 2003, 08:13 AM

I think everybody who writes here has such wonderful love and respect for George, no matter if a song is their favorite or not. George had his strong opinions, which is also an endearing quality about him for me. images/icons/smile.gif

I honestly have no negative comments about any of his work, I can see beauty in all of it, so I have it easy with no opinions to hold back.

However, for those who would like to share, the people here I have seen always exercise tact, which is nice. On some other forums I have seen some 'fans' say quick and unconsidered things and my heart buckles. I believe George also, his spirit, can know what is being said about the songs. So, I think the more positive vibes and comments of love which reach him in the spirit world the better. I have no doubt he receives those with love and affection.

I know it hurts when people do disregard the fact he wrote these songs with love and devotion and merely begin to pick a song apart...showing kind of disrespect to the love it is written with.

Thank God, here at the Palace, everyone is so wonderful, all loving and respecting George so much...that I don't see that happening here. No one says, "Oh, I hate that one...it sucks." I'd have a problem with that!

We all share our love for George with dignity and that is very special about this forum, IMO. images/icons/smile.gif

[ Nov 11, 2003, 08:15 AM: Message Edited By: Hari's Chick ]

beatlebangs1964

Nov 11, 2003, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:
I think everybody who writes here has such wonderful love and respect for George, no matter if a song is their favorite or not. George had his strong opinions, which is also an endearing quality about him for me. images/icons/smile.gif

I believe George also, his spirit, can know what is being said about the songs. So, I think the more positive vibes and comments of love which reach him in the spirit world the better. I have no doubt he receives those with love and affection.

I know it hurts when people do disregard the fact he wrote these songs with love and devotion and merely begin to pick a song apart...showing kind of disrespect to the love it is written with.

Thank God, here at the Palace, everyone is so wonderful, all loving and respecting George so much...that I don't see that happening here. No one says, "Oh, I hate that one...it sucks." I'd have a problem with that!

We all share our love for George with dignity and that is very special about this forum, IMO. images/icons/smile.gif I don't know if anyone could have said it better, Hari's Chick. I know I couldn't. The Palace is one of my favorite places at Beatle Links and for all the good reasons you have listed.

I have said all along that part of what makes George so special is that he placed his beliefs FIRST and just shaped and created his music around them. The music was his way of sharing what was most important to him. For that I will always love George.

One of the things I really like are the threads that are explore George's works and philosophies deeply. Last year [2002] SingingOm started a really good thread about his core beliefs. Many people really got into that one and I think everybody who read and participated in that thread came away enriched.

That's what George was all about. His work continues reaching and moving people and I do think his message will remain a timeless good influence.

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darkhorse

Nov 11, 2003, 05:35 PM

I am absolutely aware of all of George's beliefs and philosophy of life, and the spirit of this place. What I meant to say is that I, in the past, have experienced some discussions in where all the people are all enthusiastic about a certain topic and then someone comes and tells all of them: "you know this sucks, don't you? This is so bad it doesn't even deserve discussing". People just feel bad, even though the agreement can be made with strong arguments on behalf of the one who's talking. So at those points, if you were the person who made the statement, you just wish you hadn't spoken at all. I chose not to talk about this particular subject since the conversation was all favorable, but, in one way or another, I just wanted to manifest my small position of disagreement. Perhaps I did it in a more than questionable way, but I don't think that's just so much important in order to start a debate about what's good and what's bad in a "discussion forum", I believe all of us (or most of us) know that. I just thought it was better to stay with mouth closed, and I didn't even imagine that that simple sentence would cause all this. It's quite... impressive to say the least (now mentioned it to my priest).

Oh, and since you were asking, dear old_moon, I find "Rocking Chair In Hawaii" one of the weakest songs in George's carreer, musically a yodeling melody transformed into a pseudo-blues sung in a way that I personally don't enjoy, and with lyrics that tend to go nowhere. And to me, it's the one and only reason why I consider Cloud Nine and George Harrison to be better albums than Brainwashed, even though I love the other 11 songs in it.

I know that would sound hard... Anyway...

"Your Love Is Forever", great song. One of my favorite love ballads ever. Great atmosphere (sublime is the summertime). Just made for you to relax with the loved person. We put this as one of the tracks on one of the CDs we made with Andrea to be sort of a "soundtrack" to a relationship. It works incredibly well in that context, and almost in any context.

Savoy Truffle

Nov 11, 2003, 07:20 PM

So you really don't like Rocking Chair then darkhorse. images/icons/grin.gif Well that's okay images/icons/smile.gif , it doesn't spoil my enjoyment of it any. I agree somewhat with your critique of the song. I would say it's definitely not an important song in George's catalogue (maybe why he didn't release it before), but for me it's a fun little divergence that I really graemlins/heart2.gif

I have kept somewhat negative views to myself before too when I've seen that everybody else has really liked a song. From now on I will maybe mention them images/icons/smile.gif , although like HC, I usually find beauty in all of George's songs.

But as Leg's pointed out, graemlins/laugh5.gif , it's good to have a dissenting opinion rather than saying I love it about 80 times.

Your Love Is Forever. Beautiful, beautiful song. (Sorry I can't be different here images/icons/wink.gif ) You could have fooled me that George had trouble finding good lyrics for the melody; they fit together perfectly. His guitar work is impeccable and I especially love the opening guitar work. Perfect love song either to God or the person you love. images/icons/smile.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 11, 2003, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:
but I don't think that's just so much important in order to start a debate about what's good and what's bad in a "discussion forumI'd like to debate that! graemlins/wink3.gif

About Rocking Chair...I really LOVE that song as one of my all time faves. I think maybe those who really love Hoagy would be more inclined to appreciate it though...it is very Hoagy to me. images/icons/smile.gif

I think the lyrics go somewhere, alright, hehehe...they go straight to that locked bedroom door. images/icons/wink.gif

Savoy Truffle

Nov 11, 2003, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:

I think the lyrics go somewhere, alright, hehehe...they go straight to that locked bedroom door. images/icons/wink.gif Oh, yes! That they do! This song is probably one of all time fave's too. I never thought of this song being Hoagy like before, but now that you mention it!..... I think there's a lot of George in this song too.

It's definitely a song made for the enjoyment of the female audience though, I would say. images/icons/wink.gif

And, why do lyrics have to go anywhere, anyway?! images/icons/wink.gif

We're not really ganging up on you darkhorse! images/icons/wink.gif

old_moon_shining

Nov 11, 2003, 10:52 PM

You might notice darkhorse that I didn't comment on Rocking Chair either, but no one noticed. images/icons/wink.gif *

I understand completely what darkhorse is saying about this song. It is definately a little makeshift. I have heard his voice better. Many call it sexy (and probably that is what he was aiming for) but I'm not so sure about that....and this is something about which I am not entirely immune. graemlins/blush4.gif However, in spite of all of that, it features on my compilation.

With regard to the subsidiary*discussion here:
I cannot consider George a demigod in any way. He was a human man in every way and as such he made mistakes. Some of his songs and decisions (and this is personal preferances aside) fell into that category. I love him to bits and my continued presence here tells how much I appreciate and respect him as a man and a musician and also as a poet. His work in every way is so beautiful and well thoughout and as we all know so very unappreciated by the general populace, but sometimes surely we can suggest that in our personal opinion it is a little below par.

I completely understand why darkhorse remained silent. I spoke out once about an album that everyone else loved and then felt some regret because I definitely 'brought the party down'.

I am sure darkhorse had no intention of starting a discussion of this nature when he said what he said. It was an innocent remark and I kinda go silent at times a bit myself these days. Having said this I am surely glad that he mentioned it to his priest.

...and my comment about the universally loved 'Your Love is Forever' is above somewhere. images/icons/wink.gif

old_moon_shining

Nov 11, 2003, 11:12 PM

Oh and 'cuse me FPSHOT, your fan mail is brimming again. graemlins/afraid2.gif

Rellevart

Nov 12, 2003, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
That does not have to mean we absolutely adore every chord he playedY'know, there was that one B minor 7th he played in the 70's that I really did NOT like. images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif

sourmilkpinky

Nov 12, 2003, 04:43 AM

This is a great place to be, also one of my favorites at the links.

I also stayed silent on this one mainly because I couldn't 'back up' why I don't like the song. Here at the Palace I like to at least try to sound like I know what I'm talking about. images/icons/wink.gif

It is just not one I like that much. I think maybe George tried to hard to sound sexy and I think he sounds better when he doesn't try.

[ Nov 12, 2003, 04:44 AM: Message Edited By: sourmilkpinky ]

Hari's Chick

Nov 12, 2003, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By Rellevart:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
That does not have to mean we absolutely adore every chord he playedY'know, there was that one B minor 7th he played in the 70's that I really did NOT like. images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>graemlins/cry3.gif graemlins/cry4.gif

Which one?!?!?!?!?!

HAHAHA, Kidding!!! images/icons/wink.gif

darkhorse

Nov 12, 2003, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By old_moon_shining:
I am sure darkhorse had no intention of starting a discussion of this nature when he said what he said. It was an innocent remark and I kinda go silent at times a bit myself these days. Having said this I am surely glad that he mentioned it to his priest.You caught me! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif

So glad you (all) understood the reason behind my words, or my no-words, whatever.

I would also like to say that it's really comforting to hear that so many people love a song that I really dislike in every aspect, and that we all love George's work from different points of view. That only makes the discussion even more interesting.

OK, "Your Love Is Forever". Unanimously great, ain't it? images/icons/grin.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 12, 2003, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted By old_moon_shining:

I cannot consider George a demigod in any way. He was a human man in every way and as such he made mistakes. I don't consider George a demigod...it is simply I can see clearly the choices he made and really, honestly 'jive' with each. Call me uncritical, but I can be...with George, I am honest saying as I said before.

FPSHOT and I have many 'discussions' on this. hehehe

I don't see them as 'mistakes' I see George's work as choices. Many say, example, about the duck in blow away video, well...they do not like it. I love it; it is Dhani inspired all over and I love kids!! images/icons/smile.gif So, to me, I really like it and it gets me smiling!

I do believe George is sensitive to the vibrations and just like to see people speaking as they would directly to him, and with respect. I know George hated critics...though at times he could be one himself. But at least when he remarked about putting cotton in his ears graemlins/laugh5.gif , well, unlike say the RS reviewers who tore him apart for the Dark Horse tour....HE could take the cotton out and play beautiful music, whereas they could just critisize.

I AM NOT suggesting that is what people are doing here.

But look...did George like what they said about the DH tour? No, he was hurt. He could have cancelled the tour but he had integrity and did not want to disappoint his fans. He went, and was critisized!!! He changed some words...art is NOT stagnant (or it is dead art)...and was crucified by the press. So sad!!! ANd because of their razor tongues, I never got to see George in concert. images/icons/frown.gif He stayed home to garden instead.

So, I am not saying it is my moderator job to step in and silence people. No, it is a free country and free forum. Just, when remarks are made lovingly I prefer to read them. Otherwise, I know who is generally critical and I just don't read them, or carefully anyway.

DO unto George as you'd want others to do unto you. hehehe... Sorry, could not resist.

graemlins/peace.gif

[ Nov 12, 2003, 10:19 AM: Message Edited By: Hari's Chick ]

Hari's Chick

Nov 12, 2003, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
I am very happy and grateful to have them as my partners here at the Palace, because I believe we all made and daily make this Palace the best George Forum there is. In my view we are ALL partners here, not just members, but all partners. images/icons/smile.gif

Savoy Truffle

Nov 12, 2003, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:

OK, "Your Love Is Forever". Unanimously great, ain't it? images/icons/grin.gif Yes it is! images/icons/smile.gif One that we can all agree on.

And if I can say one more thing. images/icons/smile.gif It's always nice when other people like the same songs you do; everyone likes validation of their own feelings. But when you're given a differing opinion it gives you another way to look at a song and definitely keeps a discussion going and lively.

And after all, music is very subjective, so there are bound to be differences in our views. I'm really glad too we can disagree respectfully and that we are invited to either agree or disagree. images/icons/smile.gif

That's weird. I posted this right after my last post but it showed up quite a bit later. Oh well. I'll come back to the song Brainwashed later.

[ Nov 12, 2003, 01:22 PM: Message Edited By: Savoy Truffle ]

Intuition

Nov 12, 2003, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:

OK, "Your Love Is Forever". Unanimously great, ain't it? images/icons/grin.gif Actually I hate this song....it is so so...songish!!! The thing I hate most about songish songs is how typically sing-song-y they are. images/icons/tongue.gif I want unknown George rap songs! I don't like ANY George songs...that is why I registered here!!!

Where is the Barry Manilow section of this place, man?

You know what George said to the Rockline caller who didn't love his stuff?
Caller: "I've got the new album and I like it quite a bit.."
George: Quite a bit??? Just get off the line man, if you dont LOVE it!"
Then George played over him and ignored him!!! LOL

sourmilkpinky

Nov 12, 2003, 07:38 PM

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Intuition

Nov 12, 2003, 08:54 PM

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Savoy Truffle

Nov 13, 2003, 12:24 AM

Aw thanks HC. That is great of you to say. I like to think we're all partners too. Although, I bet FPSHOT thinks of us all this way too. images/icons/smile.gif It's just that you and as darkhorse once was are his moderatorpartners and the rest of us are his memberpartners. images/icons/smile.gif

And old_moon, I did notice that you did not comment on Rocking Chair either. It's just with all the other comments I kind of forgot to ask you. So sorry. images/icons/frown.gif

[ Nov 12, 2003, 12:33 PM: Message Edited By: Savoy Truffle ]

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By Savoy Truffle:
Although, I bet FPSHOT thinks of us all this way too. images/icons/smile.gif I'm sure he does, too. By the way, I spoke to him from the Concert for George movie a tiny bit ago and he is having a great time!! graemlins/dance.gif

Now....how about a new song of the day?

I nominate Brainwashed. images/icons/smile.gif

On another board there was a discussion about 'practicing the presence'. This can mean many things to many people, as was displayed in pretty interesting comments from the members there. To me, this songs speaks of something along those lines. Leave pointless habits, and BE!! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 05:27 AM

Yeah, "leave pointless habits"

So well put, people do that and in many cases they don't even know.

I've been there.

"pointless" .... so true, it's what you value.. what is important in this life, you're here for a reason...

Identify what is really important.... I've been there, maybe I still am.

Then, George here is just doing that and maybe, maybe, saying how he feels about looking around him and seeing people being influenced by bla bla bla, without realising what it does to them.

The value of life ... think for yourself ..it'sa what YOU value. Not what someone tells you to.

Just a thought.

sourmilkpinky

Nov 13, 2003, 06:04 AM

'Brainwashed'

ok I'm a little nervous about commenting on this song and FPSHOT's comment (I must admit it confuses me some).

I find the song interesting in it's self. A little upbeat, lyrically silly yet insightful as well.
It kinda bothers me being the last song on the album because I find it cynical.
Sure we are brainwashed by everything in our lives. Sure we should think for ourselves. I don't believe the human brain is capable of developing ideas and beliefs without outside stimuli.
Unfortunately there are many people that allow the everyday things to play a more important role in their beliefs and actions than God or their spiritual side. However I have a hard time believing everyone doesn't give some serious thought to this side of themselves at some point in their lives.
I have always had a hard time with George's cyncical side. Or anyones for that matter. Yes I am cynical at times too. I don't like that either.

Forgive my ramblings, I'll just add it's not one of my favorites, however I find the Namah Parvarti part rather soothing.

old_moon_shining

Nov 13, 2003, 06:28 AM

This isn't a particular favourite for me. Many times when I was listening to the album I would stop before it played. My husband likes it and finds a great deal of humour and sound philosophy in it. He forces me to listen to it. I think it has grown on me somewhat, though I still find sameness in the music. The lyrics are well thought through and very George. Maybe also this is not the greatest example of his voice.

He is quite correct in my view, we are all constantly brainwashed. Mostly for the bad and the dangerous part is usually we are unaware of it happening. As he points out we can also seek out some good brainwashing.

Siobhan

Nov 13, 2003, 06:58 AM

I think there is a lot of truth in the lyrics of this song. We are constantly being brainwashed. The lyrics are very typical of George in that he speaks his mind and is not afraid to criticise the norm. For that I have a lot of respect for this song. Sound-wise, it's maybe not one of my favourites. If you listen to the song without really taking the lyrics in, I think it may come across as being too forceful and preachy (which I'm not saying it is). Unfortunatley this has become a bit of a misconception with George.

beatlemad

Nov 13, 2003, 07:04 AM

I really like Brainwashed.George's voice is different on this for some reason,like it's been sped up.I like the lyrics although they are a bit preachy what with the "God God God" chorus and all.I love the verse right after the female vocal part (Brainwashed my great uncle,Brainwashed by cousin Bob..)Just brilliant!

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 08:33 AM

"songish" and "sing-songy"?

I love Brainwashed. Good choice.

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted By beatlemad:
I really like Brainwashed.George's voice is different on this for some reason,like it's been sped up.I like the lyrics although they are a bit preachy what with the "God God God" chorus and all.That is from Yoganandaji. images/icons/frown.gif

I don't fit in here anymore.
I cannot listen to criticism of my Guru...and hearing so much about George hurts me deeply.

I am so sad....

Legs

Nov 13, 2003, 09:02 AM

Lorraine please. I can't speak for beatlemad, but I don't think it was meant as critisim.

I am just learning myself a bit more about George's lyrics.When I just became a Beatle fan, I didn't understand much about eastern philosophy, Hare Khrisna and what George meant with some lyrics, so I took them wrong, sometimes as being preachy. So it is more misunderstanding then anything else.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 09:48 AM

Lorraine,

Legs is right. Please don't let this drive you away.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 09:50 AM

Lorraine,

You fit in and have built the Palace to new standards. I have learned so much about eastern philosophy and your pure love for George has helped make this one of my favorite places at Beatle Links.

Again, I think Legs is right. Please stay.

sourmilkpinky

Nov 13, 2003, 09:53 AM

I agree.
I think perhaps we are all missing George a little more than usual right now, with CFG coming out and the time of year and all.
Please stay.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 09:57 AM

That's a good point, Milk. This is a rather challenging time for everybody.

I just want to add that George never let anybody stand between him and his beliefs and I will just make one request. Please, if anyone disagrees, there is a courteous way of expressing those feelings without hurting anybody else's.

I also think that one of the many things that has made George the special person that he was was his strong convictions and his solid inner core. George was not one to back down and he was one to express himself in an intelligent, reasonable and logical manner. He did indeed set a good example and he also had a gift for natural expression.

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 10:25 AM

Thanks, Legs, BB, and SMPinky...

It means a lot. Maybe this is me, and I have to just take time to think about it. Maybe hearing other people critisizing George should not bother me. I should not be attached. That is the goal...non-attachment. But with George...it is hard...

I know hearing people's negative opinions would hurt him. I know that empirically from the numerous comments he has made. I know it intuitively. I know it spiritually, the philosophy George follows never suggested to partake in excessive criticism of other people.

For me, I see George. He does not release a record for money. He releases it for love, mostly and often, love of God. When I read someone saying, "This note, blah blah, blah..." or "God, God, God...how preachy..." I think...???????? How can you criticize someone's soul?? That is what it feels like to me. If someone is singing a hymn, and I would say..."Boy, your voice sucks..."

George used his music as a devotional expression. It is more than some love songs pumped out by the hundreds, he said this himself. He wanted to touch people and say something. Well, most of us here have been touched. That is why we are here.

I know people here love George.

If people enjoy picking apart what they do NOT like....I don't understand that. To me, it is like gossipy neighbors talking over the fence. Why focus so so so much on what we do NOT like? I am trying to understand that, but just cannot?

Maybe some people who enjoy the disecting process can explain why it is they get satisfaction out of it? Maybe I can broaden my understanding? Because now I can only see it as hurtful to George...and now also to my Guru...with the 'God, God, God' comment.

So, disectors, teach me? I am open to it...why is it satisfying to critisize someone who hated criticism, someone who we love? Please, I really am asking, not being sarcastic now.

I am sad. Yeah, Pinky, I do miss him more right now...this time of year....the tears keep coming and coming....

Love you guys.

beatlemad

Nov 13, 2003, 10:31 AM

Well, first of all I would like to explain my post but somebody keeps deleting my posts.
I love the album Brainwashed more than any other album and listen to it everyday.I also love the track of the same name but I am entitled to an opinion on any topic I like.All I said was i felt the track came across slighty preachy which I stand by but it doesn't mean I dislike it!
Again,for a THIRD time I apoligise for any offense caused and hopefully this post wont vanish.

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 10:37 AM

Beatlemad,
Thank you for the very nice PM and the apology here. It means so so much to me. Love, HC

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:

For me, I see George. He does not release a record for money. He releases it for love, mostly and often, love of God. When I read someone saying, "This note, blah blah, blah..." or "God, God, God...how preachy..." I think...???????? How can you criticize someone's soul?? That is what it feels like to me. If someone is singing a hymn, and I would say..."Boy, your voice sucks..."Good point. Many of George's songs were prayers set to music. As I stated on an earlier post, I used Dear One at a talk I gave at my church on Monday. Believe me, NOBODY present will forget that talk and George will remain on the minds of many! That was one of the many gifts George was blessed with.

By putting God first, George helped countless people recognize and appreciate their own spirituality all the more and for that I will always love him.

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:

George used his music as a devotional expression. It is more than some love songs pumped out by the hundreds, he said this himself. He wanted to touch people and say something. Well, most of us here have been touched. That is why we are here.That says it perfectly, Lorraine. He DID use his music as a devotional expression. His music was deep, filling and very fulfilling. That was truly a gift he had that he shared. His music has touched many people - I wish you had been at my church meeting on Monday. I saw evidence of that myself.

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:

I know people here love George.

If people enjoy picking apart what they do NOT like....I don't understand that. To me, it is like gossipy neighbors talking over the fence. Why focus so so so much on what we do NOT like? I am trying to understand that, but just cannot?In the interest of fairness, I think (and I can't answer for anybody else - I just want to present a fair case) people try to analyze their own feelings as to why they dislike a certain thing or song. I agree - it's better to keep one's mind set on more positive things, but like yin and yang, you have to have one to balance the other. I also think that by seeing two sides of the story, one can appreciate and formulate their own opinions all the more solidly.

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:

Maybe some people who enjoy the disecting process can explain why it is they get satisfaction out of it? Maybe I can broaden my understanding? Because now I can only see it as hurtful to George...and now also to my Guru...with the 'God, God, God' comment.I personally LOVE the "God, God God" part because I think that helps keep people's minds focussed on God. For those whose belief systems don't include God, it is still a good way of helping them remain fixed on what they believe and how they express it. I admit that as a Catholic I do take umbrage when people bash the Catholic church or make condemnatory statements about the faith that is so important to me. In fairness to all, George especially, I think it is critical to remember just how each person's beliefs have shaped and guided them.

Origianlly Posted By Hari's Chick:

So, disectors, teach me? I am open to it...why is it satisfying to critisize someone who hated criticism, someone who we love? Please, I really am asking, not being sarcastic now.

I am sad. Yeah, Pinky, I do miss him more right now...this time of year....the tears keep coming and coming....

Love you guys.That is understandable. To be fair about it, it is possible that anybody who has criticized George did not mean for it to sound as harsh as it might have. It is also possible that the person(s) in question may not be derving pleasure in criticizing George and might see their statements as a form of analyzing George's work.

I've been listening to a lot of George lately - I had my ATMP CD in the car the other day and I've been really intensely listening to Braniwashed, Extra Texture and my favorite Beatle songs, I Want to Tell You, I Need You and Here Comes The Sun.

Lorraine, I thought about you in church on Monday. Somebody at the meeting said the line, "you don't realize how much I need you/love you all the time and never leave you" from I Need You could be God telling us how much He needs us and will never leave us. images/icons/smile.gif

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Legs

Nov 13, 2003, 10:44 AM

I don't know Lorraine. For me it is sometimes easier to say why I don't like a song, then to express why I love a song, cause then it becomes more a matter of feeling.I often need more time to express what I feel, what I don't have in this two days format.

With Brainwashed I get caught up in the middle part with the sitar's, shivers run down my back. As to enforce the lyrics to take time out of our sometimes hectic lives, and to come to rest to think about what really maters.

But if there is something I like I'll say so, if there is a song I don't like I will say that to. It's nothing against George or any person.

[ Nov 13, 2003, 10:47 AM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By beatlemad:
Again,for a THIRD time I apoligise for any offense caused and hopefully this post wont vanish.graemlins/smile1.gif

Siobhan

Nov 13, 2003, 10:55 AM

Lorraine, I am sorry you took offence to some comments and were hurt. I don't think anyone's intention was to upset another member, or even attack George. Most criticisms that are posted here are said delicately and based on real and honest opinion. I can't say I have ever seen anyone bash George here, and I am sure that no one at the Palace ever would. We all love George here.

I understand what you say about hurting George by criticising his music, but I think he understood objective criticism. He wasn't averse to criticising, for example, Paul. And he even threatened to sue Ringo over I'll Still Love You - but that doesn't mean that he didn't love either of them, or that he was trying to hurt them.

For me personally, I can't say I love a song just because it is George. There are no songs of his that I hate, or think 'suck,' but occasssionally (and only occasionally) I'm not overly fond of a particular song. More often than not it is the sound of the song I have criticisms of, not the lyrics. To me George produced very few songs that didn't have something meaningful and profound to say. So even if I am not too keen on the sound of a song, I still have a lot of respect for the lyrics.

We all miss George, and this month is an especially hard one. Please don't feel that you don't fit in here because we do not all always agree. We are all George fans, we all love him dearly, and this is a wonderful place to share that.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 13, 2003, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By Siobhan:
I can't say I have ever seen anyone bash George here, and I am sure that no one at the Palace ever would. We all love George here.

For me personally, I can't say I love a song just because it is George. There are no songs of his that I hate, or think 'suck,' but occasssionally (and only occasionally) I'm not overly fond of a particular song. More often than not it is the sound of the song I have criticisms of, not the lyrics. To me George produced very few songs that didn't have something meaningful and profound to say. So even if I am not too keen on the sound of a song, I still have a lot of respect for the lyrics.

...this is a wonderful place to share that.Siobhan,

You said it best! There are only two songs that I don't care for the sound, but the lyrics remain nonpareil. And that was a good point - you separate the person from the behavior.

I agree with Siobhan -- there are no songs that I think "stink" either. George's profundity is a good part of what made his music so distinct.

As George lovers, I think we are lucky to have this forum. images/icons/smile.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted By Siobhan:
Most criticisms that are posted here are said delicately

Please don't feel that you don't fit in here because we do not all always agree. Thanks for responding, Siobhan. I disagree that the criticisms are delicately, or even tactfully, stated. Some are, but some are not. Nothing anyone can do about that....

I don't feel I do not fit in because everyone does not agree with me...lol...no, not at all. I would be very very bored here if everyone agreed with me! But I just have a hard time when not a post passes that something critical is not stated...it feels like a bash George fest. Those moments I think...what am I reading here? Don't we all love him??

No one has to agree...maybe, if one thing comes from this discussion, we can just...this is a suggestion only, I know it is a free speech zone, save true antagonism...but perhaps some people will be more inspired to focus on the George glass being half full instead of always half empty. And for some of us it is full and overflows... images/icons/wink.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 11:43 AM

I kindly ask for a break.

This is getting way out of hand.

I love George ... every day.... every second.

This is a general remark and not meant as a reply to the previous one here.

I just speak for myself, but bashing George's songs is something I did not invite you to.

Really, I am sorry for my bad English, but when I say 'talk' in stead of being 'silent', I don't mean like 'go on and write about George's songs which one doesn't like and get it out in the open'.

I love George, I would never hurt him and also not want that here at OUR Palace.

Let's have a break please.

"Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

I will be back.

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FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 11:44 AM

Lorraine, I support you 100%, we absolutely agree

taxgirl

Nov 13, 2003, 01:03 PM

I asked (cuz HC and I were already talking about this 'behind the screens') and it was okay to post my 2 cents images/icons/smile.gif

Lorraine, I already knew how much you love George, but I realized just now how much he is part of your system... images/icons/smile.gif It suits you to stand up for him when you feel people are disrespectful.
In the day to day life people are always critized. But as long as it's positive criticism it's okay. Of course it also depends on the way it was brought to you, but positive criticism can't hurt.

I want you to know Lorraine that I love and respect you and that I'm behind you too. Besides...from what I read FPSHOT and I are NOT the only ones here images/icons/smile.gif

I haven't been here for a while, at this topic at the Palace, but I do read most of the posts because I'm interested in what other people think about George's songs.

I had wanted to write earlier today (but you know, work...) that I really like 'Brainwashed'. I like the lyrics, because they are so true and we all got brainwashed from time to time, if we like it or not. It's part of being human.
I also like the catchy tune so much.... I love to play it loud in the car...and sing along... hehehe no smart remarks here please graemlins/smile2.gif

Lorraine, don't be sad.... If George had known you I'm sure he would have loved you... images/icons/grin.gif

Magill

Nov 13, 2003, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By Siobhan:
We all miss George, and this month is an especially hard one. Please don't feel that you don't fit in here because we do not all always agree. We are all George fans, we all love him dearly, and this is a wonderful place to share that.graemlins/clap3.gif Well said, Siobahn! Yes, that horrid day is approaching. graemlins/cry2.gif And we're all here to honor his memory and love him as the great person he was to all of us. And to lean on each other as we still mourn the loss of him from this world. His music has given me so much insight into my day to day life and soothes me when I'm feeling stressed out. George was and is a very special man, indeed. He'll live forever in our hearts and in our minds.
Btw, I too love the song Brainwashed. It reminds us not to be taken in by material things but to remember what is really important. And that is faith. Not a bit preachy, rather I find it a bit humourous in parts. His mob grandmother. Heh!

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Legs

Nov 13, 2003, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:
Not a bit preachy, rather I find it a bit humourous in parts. His mob grandmother. Heh!graemlins/laugh5.gif

Agree with your post Nance.

[ Nov 13, 2003, 01:36 PM: Message Edited By: Legs ]

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 01:52 PM

Okay, well in that case we just go on graemlins/smile1.gif

What I feel, is that I have made a mistake.

It seems, that when I wrote, that I would like people to talk in stead of staying silent, on e.g. songs, it would be to have a positive effect on us loving George.

Because, not only did he ask us to love one another, but also George tought us, me, to have respect for any creation, like a song.

Some elements one can maybe not like as in a top 50 preferred songlist, but at least one would have a clear opinion as the 'why'.

My idea was, that that would lead to a discussion where maybe someone's mind could change. I've seen it happening, only this week.

I think I was wrong, so I am sorry for what it caused.

Lorraine, I have never met anyone who is so much in to all aspects of George, so much daily passion, all the things you showed me of things related to George which I never really knew, have now become a part of my life in such a different way and one of them is how to handle love and respect.

I thought I knew George 4 years ago, just a number, but really really I have became to learn more about the inside of his writing, and life, after reading thinks like the Autobiography of a Yogi.

So, yes, bashing on George is low level, even when done with little arguments.

It's all about Knowledge.

People who don't know certain aspects of George's life, can not judge lyrics. One can say, like even Lennon did, about all the Hare Krishna things in his songs, but when not knowing about the background of it, yeah silence is better, or, ask around. Just one example.

Bashing George, impossible in my book.

And, just to add, this is not about me, it's about George and the love, respect and admiration I have for him and the way I believe Crackerbox Palace should look like.

Respect..understanding ..love ..trust .....all the values that George stood for.

He did not release maybe the amount of songs some would have wanted him too, but I am very okay with that. Every song, every track, has value to me, because I know how he made it. And I see before me, how he was making it and why.

That means more to me than numbers.

Discussion? - fine, any time and anyone who writes something about maybe not liking chords, or lyrics, I will immediately show up (when I am here) and be a representative of George, becauser that is what I feel I am, Lorraine is.

Bashing? - no thanks, then I'm out of here.

taxgirl

Nov 13, 2003, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
People who don't know certain aspects of George's life, can not judge lyrics. One can say, like even Lennon did, about all the Hare Krishna things in his songs, but when not knowing about the background of it, yeah silence is better, or, ask around. Just one example.

A agree with you here images/icons/wink.gif That's why I don't post too often here. George has always been my favorite, you know that as I know he has been yours. But between LITMW and Cloud 9 I don't know where I was.... I wasn't filling my days with George music that's for sure... And even Cloud 9 was amongst my other cd's since 1987 untill the day I re-discoverd George again... about two years ago now..
So, no I haven't been following him all those years, but I know I'm back in his music now images/icons/smile.gif
I still have to catch up with a lot of things.

Other people talked about 'The rocking chair..' and I remember quite cleary that I didn't like that song at first. Then I started reading here how other members thought about that song (hehehe not days ago, but last year when the cd was released) and I thought: Maybe I should better to this one... And you know?? It grew on me... I do like it now and I can't even remember why I didn't last year...
That's what I mean about positive criticsm images/icons/smile.gif

You guys (well most of them graemlins/smile2.gif ) got me convinced....

Legs

Nov 13, 2003, 02:50 PM

taxgirl

Nov 13, 2003, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:

Wanna fight? Sunday in Leiden 12:00 meet you there, images/icons/wink.gif At the restrooms Legs images/icons/wink.gif graemlins/laugh2.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 03:00 PM

Lorraine and I have so many talks about George, not only because we moderate this Palace together, which I love so much, but also because we talk from a song to a word from Yogananda, from a link from an SRF quote to where you see it in George's music, one friend to another, sharing George and knowing he's among us.

It's such a great experience to see the meaning of lyrics of George, when you know about his life.

"without looking out of my window, I can see all things are right"

"arrive without travelling"

We all know that, but do you really know what it means?

God, God, God, yeah, 3 times but where does it come from ... 'read all about it', it's all there.

Things like 'this song s..ks' don't belong here, we will not allow it and I think the majority agrees.

Yesterday, at the film, Concert For George - when you see all the love on stage, for George .....

No one touches OUR George.

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By FPSHOT:

People who don't know certain aspects of George's life, can not judge lyrics. One can say, like even Lennon did, about all the Hare Krishna things in his songs, but when not knowing about the background of it, yeah silence is better, or, ask around. Are you bashing John Rob? Are you trying to say that John didn't mean what he wrote, and that he just put things about Hare Krishna in his songs to be populair or something?
Wanna fight? Sunday in Leiden 12:00 meet you there, images/icons/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>Legs, as you know, my bashing days are over, I even appreciate YESTERDAY, the song. But we meet, that's a deal.

taxgirl

Nov 13, 2003, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:

It's such a great experience to see the meaning of lyrics of George, when you know about his life.

"without looking out of my window, I can see all things are right"

"arrive without travelling"

We all know that, but do you really know what it means?

God, God, God, yeah, 3 times but where does it come from ... 'read all about it', it's all there.

Things like 'this song s..ks' don't belong here, we will not allow it and I think the majority agrees.

Yesterday, at the film, Concert For George - when you see all the love on stage, for George .....

Amen to that!

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By taxgirl:
Amen to that!I don't know...that sounds a little preachy.... graemlins/wink3.gif

Magill

Nov 13, 2003, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
my bashing days are over, I even appreciate YESTERDAY, the song.Say it isn't so, Rob. Say it isn't SO! graemlins/shakehead2.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 03:36 PM

Paul is great graemlins/smile1.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By Magill:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
my bashing days are over, I even appreciate YESTERDAY, the song.Say it isn't so, Rob. Say it isn't SO! graemlins/shakehead2.gif <hr /></blockquote>That's Roger Daltrey

Nah, respect is the key word. Does not mean I play it every .... month graemlins/wink1.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 13, 2003, 06:50 PM

Boy, I have learned so much here today. Thank you guys so much for your input. Each reply I read carefully and thought about and appreciated.

I have learned a lot today on this and I will share (the scroll bar is on the right graemlins/wink2.gif ). For one...and maybe also due to the time of year, I was feeling very protective of George. On the one hand, I was feeling he is sensitive to our thoughts and feelings, being in the astral world.
So, what follows for one with this love and tremendous respect is...why critisize him? There are two types of criticism as was pointed out~ constructive and nonconstructive (I also must say solicited and unsolicited). Constructive/solicited criticism is if George were to say, "Sit down next to me, please, dear Beatlelinks member of high esteem and tell me please...where did I go wrong? Let me know, tell me everything! Don't hold back!" On the other hand there is nonconstructive/unsolicited criticism. To me, this type is the Mrs Penguin/Mr Johnson brand graemlins/wink3.gif hehe... just a bit negative, IMO. My question was...George is not in his physical body...so if we say a song is this wrong or that bad...what do we accomplish? He will not be able to go into the studio and redo it, just for those critics? (Not that he would)...this made me sad. My second question is...in the astral world/'heaven'...how do negative perceptions affect George? Does he REALLY care anymore?

The easy answer is...no, he is in bliss. To say that is one thing but to realize it fully is another. After a lot of tears today, and then prayer, thought, reading....I know in my heart that when one is in the Bliss of God, in His presence...no negativity can touch that person! Imagine...being in the radiance of God!!! George must have the feeling of such absolute joy and bliss...I am so so so certain he does not give a care about what one person may think of his suspended G chord which could be placed, perhaps, slightly differently in some song!! LOL!!! He may even have a giggle at the triffles we fill our time with!!!

But I believe some of this sadness today was also from the fact thatI also have religious and spiritual convictions which simply do not accept hearing long or sharp criticisms of any devotee of Krishna who has spent their lives in service/propagation of the Lord. Further, we are taught, any devotional activity done with love is by it's inner nature perfect. The flower a child picks for his or her mother may have blemishes, but the love it is given with which makes the gift special. Similarly, the flowers of devotion Sriman George leaves at the feet of Lord Krishna are by their very nature, perfect. In spirit, intent is the perfection.

I feel so good though, thank Krishna, because I have worked this through. No one can denature perfection and love with their words. And while *everybody has a right to critisize* and YES I know they will (!!!!!!) I know in my heart George is far above that, looking at us all with tremendous compassion, love, and probably a giggle as well.

Love you guys. Thanks for your beautiful words FPSHOT...love you especially. graemlins/wink2.gif

sourmilkpinky

Nov 13, 2003, 07:09 PM

I am always pleased when prayer/reflection helps someone. I am thankful that you are feeling better.

FPSHOT

Nov 13, 2003, 11:50 PM

Lorraine, I am glad we talked yesterday and very happy you feel better.

This place is lonely without you around (sorry guys) and I know I am very lucky to have you as my friend, and as my co-moderator.

Hare Krishna.

FPSHOT

Nov 14, 2003, 04:32 AM

Today I want to suggest the song George wrote with Dhani

Horse To The Water

The performance by Sam Brown on Thé concert for George is one of the highlights to me.

The passion which she showed, singing this song, was very moving and inspiring, but then hehehe all the people in the cinema were so quiet, like watching Lord Of The Rings, I would have wanted to dance and swing and share the feeling, oh well, can't have it all.

The song itself, I love it, Jools is great on piano, it swings

sourmilkpinky

Nov 14, 2003, 04:38 AM

Yes her performance was spectacular. What a voice.I can't really comment on the song, that is the only time I ever heard it (I think). I liked it, it seemed very passionate.
I guess I should be grateful that my daughter,her friend and I were the only one's in the theater when we saw it because we did dance, hoot and holler.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 14, 2003, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By taxgirl:

Lorraine, I already knew how much you love George, but I realized just now how much he is part of your system... images/icons/smile.gif It suits you to stand up for him when you feel people are disrespectful.

That's a good way of looking at it -- George really IS part of one's system.

Originally Posted By taxgirl:
I haven't been here for a while, at this topic at the Palace, but I do read most of the posts because I'm interested in what other people think about George's songs.Ditto. That's part of what makes the Palace so wonderful - there is so much to learn here. I love learning from the input of others about George's work.

Originally Posted By taxgirl: I really like 'Brainwashed'. I like the lyrics, because they are so true and we all got brainwashed from time to time, if we like it or not. It's part of being human.

I also like the catchy tune so much.... I love to play it loud in the car...and sing along... hehehe no smart remarks here please graemlins/smile2.gif

Lorraine, don't be sad.... If George had known you I'm sure he would have loved you... images/icons/grin.gif Taxgirl,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I have no doubt George and Lorraine would have gotten into some very deep, intense conversations and really enjoyed and respected one another had they been lucky enough to meet one another. There are no words that can capture just how intensely I respect Lorraine's pure, natural love for George. Lorraine, I think what you said about gardening shows yet another link to George - that reverence for life forms and devotion to core beliefs. Those are things that are very important to me.

As for Brainwashed, it is vintage Harrison. I love his acerbic, dry wit (the grandmother in the mob). George really did have a gift for natural expression and I love his humor.

And yeah, I have Brainwashed for the car as well. I used Any Road in a talk at my church on Monday, that song and Dear One. I think Dear One is a prayer set to music. Believe me, everybody who was present will be thinking about George and how he has had a positive influence on countless people for a long time to come. (One person asked me to give her a list of George songs that were deeply spiritual. That is not hard to do).

That is a good and recent example of just how George has used his talents and beliefs for good - I honestly believe that George will always leave an indelible stamp upon Planet Earth and its inhabitants.

[ Nov 14, 2003, 05:48 AM: Message Edited By: beatlebangs1964 ]

taxgirl

Nov 14, 2003, 03:18 PM

Thanks BB images/icons/smile.gif

I really LOVE Horse to the water!!
As I wrote on the Concert in Amsterdam topic, I heard this song last year at the Concert for George for the first time and I was overwhelmed...

Need I say more?

Hari's Chick

Nov 14, 2003, 07:34 PM

Awww, shucks, BB & Taxbabe!
Thanks!! images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif graemlins/blush4.gif

Horse to Water? Hmmmmm...I have always thought this one kinda sucked! LOL KIDDING!!!!! images/icons/tongue.gif

I love it, very very bold. George remarked folks would be surprised because it was not a typical GH song, and I was surprised all right! I remember the moment I heard it...I was amazed and absolutely delighted!!! BOLD BOLD BOLD!!!!

Legs

Nov 15, 2003, 02:15 PM

Musically Horse To The Water might be a bit of a departure for George, lyricaly it is George,and Dhani.

I love the musical style, keep in mind that it was done wiht Jools Holland and his Big Band so it would sound like that. I've read that people would have liked to have the song on Brainwashed, but it's more fited musicaly for Jool's album.
As said tho, lyricaly it would have fited perfect ofcourse on any George album.

"You can have it all layed/staked out in front of you, but it still don't make you think" so true.
You can have some-one doing everything for you, showing you everything, but you won't truely learn anything unless you go out and discover and try things your self, with anything love, religion.

Heard Sam's version for the first time at the Concert for George film wednesday, and she blew me away, different from George's, but what a great version.

Very

FPSHOT

Nov 15, 2003, 11:47 PM

I agree. The song how it's been produced for Jools' album fits very well the brass sound.

I would have liked a 'Brainwashed version' because George has always had horns etc. in many of his songs and I seem to believe that "Cockamamie Business" and "Poor Little Girl" are two songs that would come close to what "Horse To The Water" may have sounded.

Lyrics - here they are

You can take a horse to the water
but you can't make him drink
Oh no, oh no, oh no

A friend of mine in so much misery
Some people sail through life, he has struck a reef
Said 'hey man let's go out and get some wisdom'
First he turned on me, then turned off his nervous system

You take a horse to water but
you can't make him drink
Oh no, oh no, oh no
You can have it all layed/staked out in front
of you but it still don't make you think
Oh no, oh no, oh no

Someone I love gotta problem
Some people thirst for truth, he would like a drink
Say man this could turn out to be risky
He said "Everything's ok" as he downed another bottle of whiskey

A preacher out there warned me about Satan
Could be that he knows him
He acts like he's possessed
I said 'Hey man let's hear about God realisation
For a change'
he said "We ain't got time for that
First you must hear the evils of fornication"

Siobhan

Nov 16, 2003, 10:17 AM

Horse to Water is a terrific song. It was so good to hear something new from George. The music is very much inspired by Jules Holland and his band, but the lyrics are pure George. And he sounds great, especially considering when it was recorded.

And yes Sam's version was great too - very powerful and emotional. She has an amazing voice.

FPSHOT

Nov 17, 2003, 07:32 AM

I believe the coming days, the song suggestions will be influenced by the release of the Concert For George CD.

Before that, a Naked song. I heard it yesterday on the radio - the Naked version - and the sound is so much better now and it really is a wonderful song which I haven't played in a long time

For You Blue

It's a pretty rare combination of instruments.

George on acoustic is just okay, but the 'slide' sound comes from "Go Johnny Go" Lennon, whereas the nice piano is by Paul.

Let's hear it for the boys

Because you're sweet and lovely, girl, I love you
Because you're sweet and lovely, girl, it's true
I love you more than ever, girl, I do
I want you in the morning, girl, I love you
I want you at the moment I feel blue
I'm living every moment, girl, for you

(Walk, walk cat, walk)
(Go, Johnny, go)
(Same old tale of blues)
(Elmo James got nothin' on this, baby)

I've loved you from the moment, I saw you
You looked at me that's all you had to do
I feel it now, I hope you feel it too
Because you're sweet and lovely, girl, I love you
Because you're sweet and lovely, girl, it's true
I love you more than ever, girl, I do

FPSHOT

Nov 17, 2003, 07:48 AM

Just doing some promotion work for the lads. It's a very cool album, the new Let It Be.

FPSHOT

Nov 19, 2003, 01:40 AM

Before the Concert For George songs keep rolling in, a very nice song we don't have here too much, but it's really beautiful.

Unknown Delight

I wonder what he had first, the slide line or the vocal line, the one follows the other.

It's a slow song, but certainly not sad, it's beautiful, also musically, very carefull picking the right instrument at the right time and the vocals, so well fitting in to the melody. The bass, again so very much present. Backing vocals which on this album were so 'special' and on this song, like they are mixed just at the right spot a little to the back and the singers very carefully add there "oohhs" probably out of adoration of the music hehe, and yeah ofcourse .. the guitars, his trademark ...many, striking and sliding all through the song.

Then the middle part, where the solo starts. Ever noticed that the solo is a very nice reference to the solo in the song about someone's moves which attracted George like no other lover? Listen to the first part of the solo.
Then also in that solo, a sudden change of tempo. Why? Well, that's George for yah, doesn't want to bore the drummer with 1-2-3-symbal 1-2-3 symbal's graemlins/smile1.gif like for instance old Charlie Watts has been doing for 45 years.

Then the lyrics, again a real Harrisong. Many writers create a love song starting by typing "I love you" and build words around it, George does it differently, whilst it's still a very true love song, but then gardeners are known to have some romantic skills from watching birds and nature I hear. George gives us a love song, but with his kinda words, so well chosen.

Overall, it's really something, an unknown delight to play this song, dream away, think for yourself from cloud 9 and absorbe the wonderwall sound of the music from George Harrison.

Lyrics:
Darkest deep brown eyes I've seen
Angel came into my dream
Like the morning's early light
You freshen all around
And with all the love you bring unknown delight

Sweetest innocence and free
God has given you the key
To the hearts of everyone
That comes in sight of you
And with all the love you bring unknown delight

Who have eyes will clearly see
And no one could disagree
A treasure of the world
A child, watching it grow
And with all the love will bring unknown delight

Instruments & additional info.:
Jim Keltner Drums
Willie Weeks Bass
Neil Larsen Piano
Gary Brooker Synthesizer
George Harrison Lead Vocal, Guitars and Synthesizer
Ray Cooper Percussion
Willie Greene, Bobby King and Pico Pena
Backing Vocals

[ Nov 19, 2003, 01:44 AM: Message Edited By: FPSHOT ]

Siobhan

Nov 19, 2003, 05:22 AM

I haven't got LIBN yet. I will have to wait until Christmas to comment on that one. Sounds good though.

Unknown Delight is a beautiful song. Definitely not a typical love song, and written for his baby son, who we know he loved so much.

Listening to it now I see exactly what you mean about the start of the solo sounding similar to Something - I can't believe I never noticed that before!

Hari's Chick

Nov 19, 2003, 06:28 PM

This was the first George song to make me cry, because it was so moving, so beautiful. images/icons/smile.gif

beatlebangs1964

Nov 19, 2003, 06:40 PM

Unknown Delight is indeed an intensely moving song.

So is Deep Blue, written for the senior Louise. That one might make you graemlins/cry1.gif

Others that are intensely moving are Dark Sweet Lady his beautiful love song for Olivia.

beatlebangs1964

Nov 19, 2003, 06:45 PM

On November 10, 2003 I gave a talk at my church and used some George songs for it.

Right after the meeting, one of the attendees asked for a list of George songs so she could "download them for her son" to encourage him to come to mass with her.

I gave her that list at the next meeting which was on November 17, 2003. This is a good example of how George's gems of wisdom continue to reach and inspire people. images/icons/smile.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 22, 2003, 08:42 AM

A new song would be nice, what about

Pisces Fish

his story about Henley and surrounding area's

From the first day I heard it ands then not even knowing about all the Henley-ish connections, I thought George was just speaking to me. Then when I found out about all the links, it became even more.

Great song.

Pisces Fish

Rowers gliding on the river
Canadian geese crap along the bank
Back wheel of my bike begins to quiver
The chain is wrapped around the crank

Old ladies, who must be doggie training
Walking, throwing balls, chasing all the sheep
While the farmer stands around,
and he's complaining
His mad cows are being put to sleep
and I'm a Pisces fish and the rivers runs
through my soul

Smoke signals from the brewery
Like someone in there found the latest Pope
In a vat of beer that keeps pumping out with fury
While the churchbell ringer's tangled
in his rope

There's a temple on an island
I think of all the Gods and what they feel
You can only find them in the deepest silence
I got to get off of this big wheel

And I'm a Pisces fish and the river runs
through my soul
I'm a Pisces fish and the river runs
through my soul

And I'll be swimming until I can find
those waters
That one unbounded ocean of bliss
That's flowing through your parents,
sons and daughters
But still an easy thing for us to miss

Blades go skimming through the water
I hear the coxon shouting his
instructions about
With this crew oh it could be a tall order
Have we time to sort all of these things out?

Some times my life it seems like fiction
Some of the days it's really quite serene
I'm a living proof of all life's contradictions
One half's going where the other
half's just been
And I'm a Pisces fish and the river runs
through my soul

friar-park

Nov 22, 2003, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
A new song would be nice, what about

Pisces Fish

his story about Henley and surrounding area's

From the first day I heard it ands then not even knowing about all the Henley-ish connections, I thought George was just speaking to me.Are you a Pisces as well? Or is it deeper?
Just wondering.

FPSHOT

Nov 22, 2003, 11:39 AM

I often feel like a fish in the water and also I'd love to stay like 2 months on an island with a tempel, but I'm a Capricorn. Don't know if that's deeper graemlins/smile1.gif

Savoy Truffle

Nov 22, 2003, 01:44 PM

This is such a beautiful song. Such great lyrics and verses here, I'm not sure which are my favorites." I'm a Pisces fish and the river runs through my soul " I find very powerful and moving.

Sometimes I think I try to read too much into the song but when I close my eyes and see the picture George describes and just listen to the words the song seems self explanatory.

All I really know is that I just love this song......and the mad cow reference, the doggie, and the geese. images/icons/smile.gif

To me the song flows kind of like a river and really speaks to me too.

I'm not a Pisces either, but a Capricorn as well, which is an Earth sign? I believe.

old_moon_shining

Nov 22, 2003, 11:18 PM

For me the music is incredibly beautiful. We have already discussed the lyrics, in-depth, elsewhere and I enjoyed that. As far as I'm concerned, it is output like this that makes George elegible for the new honour he is going to receive. Brilliant work.

Siobhan

Nov 23, 2003, 03:05 AM

This is a beautiful song. The imagery is wonderful. It does feel as though George is talking to you.

FPSHOT

Nov 24, 2003, 04:42 AM

Let's move to the CD of the Concert For George.

A big surprise to me was Jeff Lynne's performance of

The Inner Light

One of the most spiritual Harrisongs, looking at the lyrics and the meaning of them.

Untill I read the Autobiography Of A Yogi I only understood half of what the words are about, that is, I can compare that now.

"Arrive without travelling, See all without looking" is a perfect example.

The concert performance is wonderful, the shehnai and flute part is just great, the sitar, tablas. Always loved this song and this new life performance (first ever I think) is just great.

Without going out of my door
I can know all things on earth
Without looking out of my window
I could know the ways of heaven

The farther one travels
The less one knows
The less one really knows

Without going out of your door
You can know all things on earth
Without looking out of your window
You can know the ways of heaven

The farther one travels
The less one knows
The less one really knows

Arrive without travelling
See all without looking
Do all without doing

Beatlesgal

Nov 24, 2003, 05:49 AM

friar-park

Nov 24, 2003, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
I often feel like a fish in the water and also I'd love to stay like 2 months on an island with a tempel, but I'm a Capricorn. Don't know if that's deeper graemlins/smile1.gif I am a Pisces (I was thrilled years ago to discover I shared the sign with George), but I'm more of a fish on the sand. I never learned to swim, but I do like to sit by a lake or a river and soak up the sights or read.

Lynner

Nov 24, 2003, 11:25 AM

The Inner light is an interesting song. I have to admit that when I first became a Beatles fan, i felt that this song was too "heavy" to be a Beatles song. I like it much better now, but wish there would have been more lyrics.

braddale

Nov 24, 2003, 01:52 PM

Flying Hour:

I was listening to the "Pirate Songs" Cd last night and one of the songs I love off that collection is "Flying Hour" it has such a nice uplifting beat, I start tapping every time I listen to it. Another hidden gem from George.

Lynner

Nov 24, 2003, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Lynner:
I like it much better now, but wish there would have been more lyrics.Sometimes not many words are needed.<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps so, but I can still wish for more lyrics.

Hari's Chick

Nov 24, 2003, 10:09 PM

Here is a different translation of the same verse George used.

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 48

In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.
In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped.

Less and less is done
Until non-action is achieved.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.

The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering. images/icons/smile.gif

Legs

Nov 25, 2003, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted By Lynner:
I like it much better now, but wish there would have been more lyrics.Sometimes not many words are needed.

FPSHOT

Nov 25, 2003, 12:57 AM

Very true

Siobhan

Nov 26, 2003, 03:28 AM

The Inner Light is a beautiful song. George's voice sounds so pure, and the lyrics certainly make you think.

I really liked the concert version too. Being the first of George's songs being sung that evening, it took me a few minutes to get over hearing someone else sing it, but I thought Jeff did a very good job.

FPSHOT

Nov 26, 2003, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By Hari's Chick:
The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering. images/icons/smile.gif Very wise words dear lady, very wise

lennonluvr9

Nov 26, 2003, 06:48 AM

I love the Inner Light! It's almost like essence of George you know? I think it's great!

Magill

Nov 26, 2003, 01:29 PM

That is one of my top highlights of the movie. I even watched the full concert again last night. Hmmm..maybe the other disc tonight. graemlins/blush1.gif Eric does a phenomenal job on that. graemlins/clap2.gif It's such a haunting tune, but I love it. One of my faves from ATMP. Nice choice, Rob. images/icons/grin.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 27, 2003, 12:58 AM

Let's take another one from CFG.

Beware Of Darkness

Eric Clapton really surprised me with this one, he sings it so devoted, so beautiful, I seldom hear him sing like that.

It's a wonderful song and the band does a marvelous job even very much coming close to the ATMP track.

The guitar solo is sensational, I believe it's a double, not only Clapton.

Oh I love this one very much.

Watch out now, take care
Beware of falling swingers
Dropping all around you
The pain that often mingles
In your fingertips
Beware of darkness

Watch out now, take care
Beware of the thoughts that linger
Winding up inside your head
The hopelessness around you
In the dead of night

Beware of sadness
It can hit you
It can hurt you
Make you sore and what is more
That is not what you are here for

Watch out now, take care
Beware of soft shoe shufflers
Dancing down the sidewalks
As each unconscious sufferer
Wanders aimlessly
Beware of Maya

Watch out now, take care
Beware of greedy leaders
They take you where you should not go
While Weeping Atlas Cedars
They just want to grow, grow and grow
Beware of darkness (beware of darkness)

Legs

Nov 27, 2003, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted By Lynner:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Legs:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By Lynner:
I like it much better now, but wish there would have been more lyrics.Sometimes not many words are needed.<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps so, but I can still wish for more lyrics.<hr /></blockquote>Ofcourse, and here they are. images/icons/wink.gif

Without going out of your door
You can't buy a pint at your local

Without coming out of your bed now
You'll be late for work's arrival

The farther one travels
The more exausted one will be

The more exhausted one will be

Savoy Truffle

Nov 27, 2003, 11:04 AM

graemlins/laugh5.gif That's very cute Legs. images/icons/smile.gif And if I may comment....somehow I don't really think those were the lyrics Lynner was looking for?........well, maybe they were! images/icons/wink.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 27, 2003, 11:03 PM

Great lyrics Legs graemlins/clap2.gif

FPSHOT

Nov 27, 2003, 11:15 PM

Next, another highlight of the concert where Paul sings a song which must bring a lot of Beatles memories to him too

All Things Must Pass

He doesn't try to make it 'his' song and the band even has the brass in it in a wonderful way.

At first it's a bit strange to hear Paul's voice coming into the song, but then I must say it fits like a glove.

Paul; why not do some covers of Harrisongs graemlins/smile1.gif and get George's musicians to play on it, you did a great job here graemlins/clap2.gif and singing phylosophical lyrics sounds good on yah

The whole song is like a whole, no one taking a solo on anything, just wonderful

Lyrics
Sunrise doesn't last all morning
A cloudburst doesn't last all day
Seems my love is up and has left you with no warning
It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

Sunset doesn't last all evening
A mind can blow those clouds away
After all this, my love is up and must be leaving
It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
None of life's strings can last
So, I must be on my way
And face another day

Now the darkness only stays the night-time
In the morning it will fade away
Daylight is good at arriving at the right time
It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
All things must pass away

Siobhan

Nov 28, 2003, 03:04 AM

This is a wonderful song, and brought me, and I am sure many others, a lot of comfort two years ago.

I haven't heard Paul's version in a while, but from what I remember he did a good job. It is strange hearing him sing one of George's songs, as it was strange hearing some of the other artists singing instead of George too. But once you get over that, it becomes quite special to hear them pay tribute in this way. No one can ever do George's songs quite like George, but that's not what it was all about.

FPSHOT

Nov 28, 2003, 11:25 PM

It's the 29th, the day to even more celebrate the life and music of George Harrison.

A song which says a lot about George is

My Sweet Lord

like for what he said when he wrote and sang it and thinking of where he is now, with God, Lord Krishna. (I really want to see you Lord, but it takes so long)

Well George, you got what you wanted graemlins/smile1.gif

Let's do the 2000 version, which is how George left that song with us, updated, amanded...

And for what George himself said about it

"because of what it's saying, the message is nice"

Today, the 29th, this is the suggested song.

MY SWEET LORD,
OH, MY LORD,
MY SWEET LORD,
MY SWEET LORD,
I REALLY WANNA BE WITH YOU,
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU, LORD,
IT REALLY TAKES SO LONG.

MY SWEET LORD,
OH, MY LORD,
MY SWEET LORD,
I REALLY WANNA KNOW YOU,
I'D LIKE TO GO WITH YOU,
I WANNA SHOW YOU, LORD,
THAT IT WON'T TAKE LONG, MY LORD, (hallelujah)

MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
MY LORD, (hallelujah)
MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
I REALLY WANNA KNOW YOU,
I REALLY WANNA SEE YOU,
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU, LORD,
I WANNA SEE YOU, LORD,
BUT IT TAKES SO LONG, MY LORD. (hallelujah)

OH, MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
OH, MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
MM, I REALLY WANNA KNOW YOU, (hallelujah)
I'D LIKE TO GO WITH YOU, (hallelujah)
I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU, LORD,
THAT IT WON'T TAKE LONG, MY LORD. (hallelujah)

MY, MY, MY LORD, (hallelujah)
OH, MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
MM- MM-MM. (hallelujah)

(hare Krishna)
(hare Krishna
(Krishna, Krishna)
(hare, hare)
(hare rama)
(hare rama)
(Ah-ah-ah-ah-)
(hallelujah)

MY SWEET LORD, (hallelujah)
OH, MY SWEET LORD, (hare Krishna)
MY SWEET LORD, (hare Krishna)
MY, MY, MY, MY (Krishna, Krishna)
OH, MY SWEET LORD, (hare, hare)
MY SWEET LORD, (Gurur Brahma)
OH, MY LORD (Gurur Vishnu)
OH, MY SWEET LORD (Gurur Devo)
MY SWEET LORD (Mahesh Nara)
MY SWEET LORD, (Gurur Sakshat)
MY SWEET LORD, (Param Bramha)
MY, MY LORD, (Tasmai Shri)
OH, MY SWEET LORD, (Guruve Namah)
MY SWEET LORD, (hare rama)
MY SWEET LORD.

© Harrisongs Ltd.

bearkat77

Nov 29, 2003, 01:45 AM

Hard to believe that it's been two years now since George has gone. His song "My Sweet Lord" is like an anthem that he has finally achieved.

Legs

Nov 29, 2003, 11:07 AM

All Things Must Pass, I've always found a beautiful song. I went silent when I heard Paul's version, he did it so beautifuly. Same goes for Eric's version of Beware of Darness. I agree Rob about the guitar solo.

Savoy Truffle

Nov 29, 2003, 11:32 AM

All Things Must Pass is a great choice to go along with My Sweet Lord today. These are two of the many George songs I will be listening to today.

My Sweet Lord: I remember the great exciting feeling I got when I heard this song for the first time on the radio. The 2000 version though holds a special place in my heart. That great new intro with the sitar start, the new verse long solo, and the vocals.

motherTheresa

Nov 29, 2003, 07:00 PM

how very wise, our george!

to realize the wonderful reality that what

matters most in life is knowing God. oh yes,

"my sweet lord" is ALL THAT.

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Siobhan

Nov 30, 2003, 12:38 AM

My Sweet Lord is a very fitting song for today. It says so much about George, and was an important song for him, in many ways.

BeatleChick

Nov 30, 2003, 12:52 AM

My Sweet Lord is a fabulous choice for today. George would dig that!

Legs

Nov 30, 2003, 04:28 AM

For today I want to go back to "While My Guitar Gently weeps". Again the concert For george version is great.

Not wanting to bypass the original versions, but all the versions from concert for George adds something to the way we experience the songs imo.And I don't think it's a bad thing to express how we feel about the songs done during the "CFG"
These are not just covers, bur really heartfelt and special versions of George's songs.

"While My Guitar Gently Weeps" comes close to the original,almost as if your are listing in on a session of the White Album.How can it not be with three of the original muscians playing on the song. Paul on piano, and his backing vocals giving it something extra and Beatles like. Ringo ofcourse and Eric who sings it beautifuly, adds the emotion it needs to have, and ofcourse his solo, as haunting as on the original one.

The song itself is a strong song, it lends itself for this type of arangement but also stands as a simple acoustic song, like on the Anthology version,just George on guitar.

Legs

Nov 30, 2003, 04:30 AM

Sorry if this comes so soon after "My Sweet Lord" which I also love,but I can't really talk about songs on demand, so to speak. When I feel something about a song and have something on my mind what I could write down, I need to do it at once, like now "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" otherwise I can't write it down anymore.

Siobhan

Nov 30, 2003, 02:11 PM

I don't have the CD or DVD yet, but I listened to the CFG version of this song yesterday for the first time since last year. Eric did a wonderful performance, and Paul's backing vocals really stood out. Eric's trademark solo was great too. It brought back some wonderful memories.

FPSHOT

Nov 30, 2003, 05:22 PM

Legs, no worries, there is no ranking order when it comes to sharing thoughts about songs which come along..

While My Guitar is also really good on CFG and yeah one of the solos is like the White one..just great...

Hari's Chick

Nov 30, 2003, 09:57 PM

Speaking of My Sweet Lord, it has been a while since we've posted the translation of the prayer at the end of the song. I forget the name of the prayer (George mentions the name in...in the interview at 33 1/3, I think it was). images/icons/smile.gif Anyways....

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Guru Brahma Guru Vishnu Guru Devo Maheshwara
Guru Sakshat Para Brahma Tasmai Shree Guruve Namah

Glory to Ram and Krishna; Hail to that noble teacher who is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and who is truly the Supreme Brahman. I offer my salutations to such a Guru~ Krishna.

images/icons/smile.gif

Hari's Chick

Nov 30, 2003, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:
The song itself is a strong song, it lends itself for this type of arangement but also stands as a simple acoustic song, like on the Anthology version,just George on guitar.Oh yeah, that is so true. I love the Anthology version as well. images/icons/smile.gif

Magill

Dec 01, 2003, 12:13 AM

Yeah. It's a bit of a Beatle reunion on that performance of WMGGW, isn't it? Minus George of course. But, only in body..not in spirit. I love that part, seeing Paul at the piano, Ringo drumming and Eric's amazing guitar solo. Just like the old days, eh? You can tell Eric really poured his heart into that one.

FPSHOT

Dec 01, 2003, 04:32 PM

Let's take a sideway to an album song.

One George wrote for Herp Albert and which is to me still one of the most beautiful love songs George has written

Learning How To Love You

Fantastic atmosphere in this song and also his best acoustic guitar solo..

While all is still in the night
And silence starts its flow
Become or disbelieve me
Left alone with my heart
I'm learning how to love you

While waiting on the Light
How patience learned to grow
Endeavor could relieve me
Left alone with my heart
I know that I can love you

Love you like you may have never been
Move you more ways than you have seen
To a point in the time where we see so much more
Than the ground that we touch
With each step so unsure

As teardrops cloud the sight
Your eyes may never know
No truth could ever fear me
And left alone with my heart
I'm learning how to love you.

Love you like you may have never seen
Move you more ways than you have been
To a point in the time where we see so much more
Than the ground that we touch
With each step so unsure

As teardrops cloud the sight
Your eyes may never know
No truth could ever fear me
And left alone with my heart
I'm learning how to love you.

Hari's Chick

Dec 02, 2003, 07:52 AM

I love this song. images/icons/smile.gif (Love is too small of a word sometimes!)

sourmilkpinky

Dec 02, 2003, 04:07 PM

I haven't heard the song but what incredible lyrics.

Savoy Truffle

Dec 02, 2003, 05:26 PM

Yes, the lyrics are incredible, SMP! And when you hear the beautiful and expertly played solo, even more incredible. images/icons/smile.gif

[ Dec 02, 2003, 05:27 PM: Message Edited By: Savoy Truffle ]

Siobhan

Dec 03, 2003, 04:46 AM

George really could write beautiful and poetic lyrics. His vocals are great on this too - so warm and tender. And I agree that this is definitely his best acoustic solo.

sourmilkpinky

Dec 03, 2003, 04:50 AM

ok my curiousity is piqued. Where can I find this?

Siobhan

Dec 03, 2003, 04:59 AM

It's the last track on 33&1/3. I'm not sure how easy that album is to find anymore though.

sourmilkpinky

Dec 03, 2003, 05:06 AM

then I feel mighty silly. I do have that on vinyl. I'll have to listen again this afternoon. Thanks.

Hari's Chick

Dec 09, 2003, 06:55 PM

Today, the song of the day is Lay His Head. This was a favorite of mine from the minute it came out. There is a part which the lyrics read "Over and Over I feel for you", which I heard as "And oh my Lover, I feel for you". Either way, this is the song of the day, no question.

I know that I seem strange to you sometimes
And who is it in here, you have often thought
But what can i tell you
That you don't know already?
Yes, even the times like this
Will roll away

But i love you (i love you)
I love you (i love you)
That's all that i have ever really wanted

I know that it will work out all the same
That whoever it is in here can overcome the pain
A true friend's shoulder to lean on
I'll make it through
And over and over
I feel for you

But i love you (i love you)
I love you (i love you)

Siobhan

Dec 11, 2003, 06:00 AM

Lay his Head is a fantastic song. I could never understand why this was left off of SIE. It is a beautiful love song.

Hari's Chick

Dec 11, 2003, 06:09 AM

Today's song is one of George's favorites off of ATMP... 'Isn't It a Pity'. Fantastic song~ recently I am in the mood for version one. images/icons/smile.gif

Isn't it a pity
Now, isn't it a shame
How we break each other's hearts
And cause each other pain
How we take each other's love
Without thinking anymore
Forgetting to give back
Isn't it a pity

Some things take so long
But how do I explain
When not too many people
Can see we're all the same
And because of all their tears
Their eyes can't hope to see
The beauty that surrounds them
Isn't it a pity

Isn't it a pity
Isn't is a shame
How we break each other's hearts
And cause each other pain
How we take each other's love
Without thinking anymore
Forgetting to give back
Isn't it a pity

Forgetting to give back
Isn't it a pity
Forgetting to give back
Now, isn't it a pity

(6 times, fade the 6th:)
What a pity
What a pity, pity, pity
What a pity
What a pity, pity, pity

sourmilkpinky

Dec 12, 2003, 04:21 AM

The more I listen to this one the more I like it.

Magill

Dec 12, 2003, 11:06 AM

Ahhhhh...perfect song. I love it! graemlins/clap2.gif Thanks, HC. I'm partial to all three versions (I'm including the CFG version too images/icons/smile.gif ). Great song! graemlins/thumbsup2.gif

friar-park

Dec 13, 2003, 04:00 AM

This has been a favorite of mine since the neighbor boy's mother bought this back in 1970.
They were the source for my Beatle music (other than Ed Sullivan) until I got a paper route. I was listening to this and a few other ATMP songs the other day and was thinking about how thrilled George must've been to work on these songs with people who were 'into' his songs. Isn't It A Pity and Beware of Darkness, among others are pure joy and perfection.

beatlebangs1964

Dec 13, 2003, 06:33 AM

DEAR ONE

Dear One near me - truth assessed
Reborn worldwise - mind at rest
True heart sow You - God has blessed
Your soul whispers - love confessed

My spirit sings to You now
Creation stands at Your feet
My feelings call to You now
Dear One I love You
You hear my spirit sing to You
You see creation at Your feet
You feel my feelings calling You
You know Dear One I love You.

Dear One show me the simple Grace
Move me toward Thee with each place.

My spirit sings out to You now
Creation stands at Your feet
My feelings call to You now
Dear One I love You
You hear my spirit sing to You
You see creation at Your feet
You feel my feelings calling you
You know Dear One I love You.

Hari's Chick

Dec 14, 2003, 08:12 AM

This is a fantastic choice! I love this song, dedicated to my Guruji graemlins/heart2.gif . This is also special because "Dear One/s" is how Sri Daya Mata addresses us SRF folks...she was really loved by George. He appeared in a film tribute to her, which was so special.
Here is a link about her.
http://www.yogananda-srf.org/srf_news/sanghamata.html

Om Hari Om!

FPSHOT

Dec 17, 2003, 11:37 AM

Why not have the song again which relates to this place

Crackerbox Palace

Often new members were/are welcomed with a verse of the song and still it is a nice tune.

I can say that sometimes when I heard the album at first it bored me a little, just because it is such a busy song and just having had Pure Smokey and True Love, it's a bit of 'much going on'

But again that is the strength on the long run and that what all is about.

Like so many George's songs, it's not a regular tempo, it has those middle parts and changing tempo's but that's what makes it interesting and so different from many others.

It was the biggest American single hit from the album.

And the video shows George in and out of the Friar Park mansion doing .... well "Monty" things.

Lyrics
I was so young when I was born
My eyes could not yet see
And by the time of my first dawn
Somebody holding me . . . they said

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace
We've been expecting you
You bring such joy in Crackerbox Palace
No matter where you roam know our love is true

While growing up or trying to
Not knowing where to start
I looked around for someone who
May help reveal my heart - someone said

While you're a part of Cracerbox Palace
Do what the rest all do
Or face the fact that Crackerbox Palace
May have no other choice than to deport you

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace
We've been expecting you
You bring us joy in Crackerbox Palace
No matter where you roam know our love is true

Sometimes are good . . . sometimes are bad
That's all a part of life
And standing in between them all
I met a Mr. Grief - and he said

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace
Was not expecting you
Let's rap and tap at Crackerbox Palace
Know that the Lord is well and inside of you

braddale

Dec 17, 2003, 01:01 PM

I love Crackerbox Palace "we've been expecting youuuuuu", the song has a great beat and beautiful slide playing throughout.

Hari's Chick

Dec 18, 2003, 09:40 PM

I love the video where George pops out of the baby carriage...and my kids made me rewind and play that part many times!! LOL LOL They also loved schoolboy George. images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/smile.gif My favorite part though are those shimmy hand/torso gestures in the go cart, oh...yes indeed!!!! graemlins/wink2.gif

FPSHOT

Dec 19, 2003, 12:50 AM

hehe maybe we should introduce "video of the week"

It is great how George did all his clips, it's never boring, a lot of them have real "Monty" fun in it, and through all that he does show a lot of his privacy, like Hawaii, Friar Park...

FPSHOT

Dec 19, 2003, 03:18 AM

"My expert tells me it's okay"

this is a line which came up in very busy e-mail correspondence with a dear friend and it made me think of this song, for today, also whereas it has a great video alongside

This Song

well all about 'the case' George wanted some fun and cynical responses, well nothing wrong with that, so it ended up in this song, which is for you and

Tom Scott putting up a great saxual solo, and we got Billy on the keyboards, Richard Tee on piano, the wonderful Willie Weeks on bass and Alvin Taylor on the drums. George doing everything else.

Lyrics:
This song has nothing tricky about it
This song ain't black or white and as far as I know
Don't infringe on anyone's copyright, so . . .

This song we'll let be
This song is in E
This song is for you and . . .

This tune has nothing Bright about it
This tune ain't bad or good and come ever what may
My expert tells me it's okay

As this song came to me
Quite unknowingly
This song could be you could be . . .

This riff ain't trying to win gold medals
This riff ain't hip or square
Well done or rare
May end up one more weight to bear

But this song could well be
A reason to see - that
Without you there's no point to . . . this song

[ Dec 19, 2003, 03:25 AM: Message Edited By: FPSHOT ]

Hari's Chick

Dec 19, 2003, 07:47 AM

Fantastic, with tom Scott...now it always also reminds me of Joni Mitchell, too. Quite saxy. images/icons/wink.gif

FPSHOT

Dec 22, 2003, 12:30 AM

Time to move to a next one and for that I want to go back to the fantastic Revolver album and in particular to

Love You To

one of the three Harrisongs on this great album.

The first song George wrote for sitar and it can be heard, it has a Mantra chord throughout the song which is typical Indian and Sitar related.

Then, you also find a rocking riff in it from the few Western instruments used on this track. East meets West in a great way here.

The upgoing tempo at the end really makes this song very wild, it's so much "Revolver".

Stating in 1966 that each day just goes so fast, seems to be a daily said thing in the 21st century.

Lyrics:
Each day just goes so fast
I turn around, it's past
You don't get time to hang a sign on me

Love me while you can
Before I'm a dead old man

A lifetime is so short
A new one can't be bought
But what you've got means such a lot to me

Make love all day long
Make love singing songs
Make love all day long
Make love singing songs

There's people standing 'round
Who'll screw you in the ground
They'll fill you in with all their sins, you'll see

I'll make love to you
If you want me to

sourmilkpinky

Dec 22, 2003, 03:50 AM

I have always found too much cynicism in the lyrics, however the music is awesome.

Legs

Dec 22, 2003, 06:23 AM

Well the lyrics have come a long way from the usual love songs, "Love Me Do" (which wasn't a George song anyway) Even on "Don't Bother Me", the lyrics were not a typical I love you. But some is a bit strong
"There's people standing 'round
Who'll screw you in the ground"
But I am a fan of Roger Waters, so sarcastic and cynic lyrics I am fond of.

The music is great with the soft opening with Sitar and the way it bursts into a more heavy pop/rock song.

Hari's Chick

Dec 22, 2003, 11:47 AM

I'm a cynical sort as well and like this one. Also, the ending lines... graemlins/eyebrows.gif graemlins/devil6.gif

FPSHOT

Dec 22, 2003, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:
Well the lyrics have come a long way from the usual love songs, "Love Me Do" (which wasn't a George song anyway) Even on "Don't Bother Me", the lyrics were not a typical I love you. But some is a bit strong
"There's people standing 'round
Who'll screw you in the ground"
But I am a fan of Roger Waters, so sarcastic and cynic lyrics I am fond of.
yeah me too, I never loved the usual "I love you" lyrics, well I mean we all can write those, but the way George put words together, he is more like a poet.

DizzymissLizzy909

Dec 22, 2003, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
yeah me too, I never loved the usual "I love you" lyrics, well I mean we all can write those, but the way George put words together, he is more like a poet.Exactly! Everyone always said John and Paul were the geniuses of the group, but George was the one who could REALLY write! I should take more time to appreciate some of his lyrics.

Legs

Dec 22, 2003, 02:21 PM

Don't get me started, but I hope you don't mean to say that John and Paul couldn't write.

Magill

Dec 22, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By DizzymissLizzy909:
Exactly! Everyone always said John and Paul were the geniuses of the group, but George was the one who could REALLY write! I should take more time to appreciate some of his lyrics.I always felt George was a better lyracist than Paul and equally as good as John. His lyrics were poetic and heartfelt and you knew what the heck he was talking about! IMO, he got even better at writing during his solo career. Too bad George M. wasn't more encouraging to George because he would've given Lennon/McCartney a run for the money. graemlins/sssh.gif But, you didn't hear that from me! graemlins/wink3.gif

Legs

Dec 22, 2003, 02:48 PM

Well I keep out of this discusion. I agree on what you said about George's lyrics/poems, and they were hearthfelt, and Paul was better with music and writing melody's then with lyrics but I get something out of his and John's music and lyrics to. So for me no discusions about who were better in anything.

lennonluvr9

Dec 22, 2003, 03:15 PM

I love Love You Too! I just love the feel of it. images/icons/smile.gif

DizzymissLizzy909

Dec 22, 2003, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By Legs:
Don't get me started, but I hope you don't mean to say that John and Paul couldn't write.Oh, no way, I love all of the Lennon/McCartney songs too. I just meant it didn't seem George was appreciated enough, everyone kind of brushed many of his songs off. They were all equally talented songwriters, just in different ways.

beatlebangs1964

Dec 23, 2003, 10:05 PM

I agree that George was a brilliant poet and lyricist. I did say years ago that George was my favorite poet and we know the response THAT honest answer was met with!

George's lyrics were deep and meaningful; I find that whenever I listen to him, I get a lot out of what he had to offer in his work. For me, it is like a gift that keeps giving, listening to George.

beatlebangs1964

Dec 23, 2003, 10:13 PM

I WANT TO TELL YOU

I want to tell you
My head is filled with things to say.
When you're here
All those words, they seem to slip away.

When I get near you
The games begin to drag me down.
It's all right
I'll make you maybe next time around.

But if I seem to act unkind,
It's only me, it's not my mind.
That is confusing things.

I want to tell you
I feel hung up and I don't know why.
I don't mind, I could wait forever,
I've got time.

Sometimes I wish I knew you well
Then I could speak my mind and tell you.
Maybe you'd understand.

I want to tell you
I feel hung up and I don't know why.
I don't mind, I could wait forever,
I've got time. I 've got time.

FPSHOT

Dec 23, 2003, 11:06 PM

Fantastic choise BB, thanks for this one.

Great piece of lyrics and I always love the piano on this one. Three finger piano play graemlins/smile1.gif

bearkat77

Dec 24, 2003, 01:06 AM

Definitely one of George's best compositions as a Beatle. Excellent choice, BB.

FPSHOT

Dec 24, 2003, 11:09 PM

For Xmas, one we have had a few times before, but then, it is very spiritual and a great one for today.

You Are The One

George doing all his guitars and a little more, giving a very crystal clear message to the Lord.

Lyrics:
You are the One
You are my love
You send the rain and bring the sun
You stand alone and speak the truth
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One

You're in my dream
I hold you there in high esteem
I need you more each step I take
You are the love in life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One

You are the one that I'd die for
And you're all that is real
You are the essence of that which
We taste, touch and feel

You are the One
No matter what
You are the real love that I've got
You are my friend and when life's through
You are the light in death itself, oh yes are
You are the One

They call you Christ, Vsnu, Buddha, Jehovah,
Our Lord
You are, Govindam, Bismillah, Creator of All

You are the One
No matter what
You are the real love that I've got
You are my friend and when life's through
You are the light in death itself, oh yes are
You are the One
You are my love
You send the rain and bring the sun
You stand alone and speak the truth
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One

sourmilkpinky

Dec 25, 2003, 05:01 AM

I love this one. It's sooo.... George.
So beautiful,honest and warm. It is sung with such heart and soul. Just warms me to the bones and beyond.

darkhorse

Dec 25, 2003, 08:59 AM

Fantastic song. Very spiritual and heartfelt. Warm I should say. I believe it's called "Life Itself". images/icons/smile.gif

beatlebangs1964

Dec 25, 2003, 07:22 PM

I was in a jocular mood and the "ho hos" in this made me think of the traditional "Santa" laugh. I wanted something fun and funny. George had a BRILLIANT wit indeed! I love it!

I WANT TO BE A PIRATE

I want to be a pirate
A pirate's life for me.
All my friends are pirates
and sail the B.B. Sea (BBC)
I've got a Jolly Roger
It's black and white and vast.
Get out of your Skull & Crossbones
and I'll run it up your mast.

With a yo-ho-ho
and a ya-ha-ha
and a ye-hee-hee-ho-hum,
With a yo-ho-ho
and a ya-ha-ha
and a yum-yum-jum-jum

FPSHOT

Dec 25, 2003, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By darkhorse:
Fantastic song. Very spiritual and heartfelt. Warm I should say. I believe it's called "Life Itself". images/icons/smile.gif Okay, my postings are being read graemlins/smile1.gif

Yeah I know, but I always call it "You are the one" for some reason. I was looking for the lyrics and they were so hard to find under that tittle graemlins/smile1.gif

FPSHOT

Dec 25, 2003, 11:43 PM

"I Want To Be A Pirate" actually is called "The Pirate Song", written by Eric Idle and George from the BBC Television comedy show "Rutland Weekend Television" first aired 26 December 1975.

I love it, it's a pity George didn't write more songs with his Monty friends, especially knowing the George humor, they could have done great things.

Great performance, there is a clip of it which can be downloaded at things like WinMX.

I have some more lyrics

Oh, I like to be a pirate, a pirate's life for me
All me friends are pirates and we sail the BBC
I've got a jolly roger, it's black and white and vast
So get out your skull and crossbones and I'll run it up your mast.

With a yo-ho-ho and a yah-ha-ha and a hee-hee-ha-ha-ho
A yo-ho-ho and a yah-ha-ha and a yum-yum-jum-jum-jum
I've got a jolly roger, it's black and white and vast.
So get out your skull and crossbones, I'll run it up your mast.

All together!

Oh... I like to be a pirate, a pirate's life for me
All me friends are pirates and we sail the BBC
I've got a jolly roger, it's black and white and vast
So get out your skull and crossbones and I'll run it up your mast.

Oheee... With a yo-ho-ho and a yah-ha-ha and a hee-hee-ha-ha-ho
A yo-ho-ho and a yah-ha-ha and a yum-yum-jum-jum-jum
I've got a jolly roger, it's black and white and vast.
So get out your skull and crossbones, I'll run it up your mast.

Ahh.. one more time!

I like to be a pirate, a pirate's life for me
All me friends are pirates and we sail the BBC
I've got a jolly roger, it's black and white and vast
So get out your skull and crossbones and I'll run it up your mast.....

beatlebangs1964

Dec 26, 2003, 12:07 AM

Excellent choice and very a propos! images/icons/smile.gif graemlins/thumbsup2.gif

Legs

Dec 26, 2003, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally Posted By darkhorse:
Fantastic song. Very spiritual and heartfelt. Warm I should say. I believe it's called "Life Itself". images/icons/smile.gif Okay, my postings are being read graemlins/smile1.gif

Yeah I know, but I always call it "You are the one" for some reason. I was looking for the lyrics and they were so hard to find under that tittle graemlins/smile1.gif <hr /></blockquote>graemlins/laugh5.gif

And I was going through my cd-colection again. Can't find that title, can't find it. Thinking it was the same like the last time I couldn't remember a title "That's All" while it was on "Living in the Material World".

FPSHOT

Dec 26, 2003, 12:31 AM

It still is graemlins/smile1.gif

Siobhan

Dec 26, 2003, 08:19 AM

The Pirate Song is a good, fun song to listen to, especially in the hoiday season. I agree, it is a shame George didn't collaborate more with the Pythons. They could have come up with some great songs.

FPSHOT

Dec 26, 2003, 01:10 PM

"He who knows Harri-son, he will recognise Harri-fun" graemlins/smile1.gif

beatlebangs1964

Dec 26, 2003, 08:28 PM

Thanks, FPSHOT for the Pirate lyrics. George had a wonderfully acerbic, droll, dry and WICKED sense of humor! I love it!

Harri-fun - how a propos. George Harrison was a man who knew how to enjoy life and have some fun and share that fun.

Just LOVE George...

beatlebangs1964

Dec 26, 2003, 08:36 PM

The Answer's At the End

Scan not a friend with a microscopic glass
You know his faults, now let his foibles pass.
Life is one long enigma, my friend
So read on, read on, the answer's at the end.

And do be so hard on the ones you love
It's the ones that you love we think so little of.
Don't be so hard on the ones tha tyou need
It's the ones that you need, we think so little of.

The speech of flowers excels the flowers of speech
But what's often in your heart is the hardest thing to reach
And life is one long mystery, my friend,
So live on, live on, the answer's at the end.

So don't be so hard on the ones that you love
It's the ones that you love, we think so little of.
Don't be so hard on the ones that you need
It's the ones that you need, we think so little of.

Ooh we think so little of the ones that we love, sometimes
and Isn't it a pity how we hurt
the ones that we love the most of all
The ones we shouldn't hurt at all.

You know my faults, now let my foibles pass
Life is one long enigma, my friend.
Live on, live on, the answer's at the end.