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ABCKO

Oct 21, 2002, 09:26 PM

Concerning the rumours of who would eventually be producing/completing "Brainwashed"...

I have no problem imagining George telling Olivia, Dhani and Jeff Lynne...

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"When I'm gone... no matter what you do... DO NOT LET PAUL ANYWHERE NEAR MY DEMOS ! Lock the studio doors, burn the tapes if you have to but, for God's sake, don't let MacCartney get his hands on any of them !"
http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/nono.gif

Am I alone...?

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bearkat77

Oct 21, 2002, 11:11 PM

I don't think George would have thought that. Even though he and Paul did not see everything eye-to-eye, George did respect Paul's musical abilities.

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By bearkat77:
I don't think George would have thought that. Even though he and Paul did not see everything eye-to-eye, George did respect Paul's musical abilities.
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The http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cat.gif speaks (or meows) the truth. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif
Though George had choice words for Paul once upon a time, I think the two of them buried the hatchet, so it seemed, during Anthology...? It's not like Paul would barge in on George's recordings anyway. Why would he? He would have known Dhani would do right by them. And it appears that he did. I cannot wait to hear it in its entirety. I wonder how well Brainwashed fares with Sir Paul. I'd like to hear his review of it. I'm sure Ringo loves it, as he loved anything George did.

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Rellevart

Oct 22, 2002, 04:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Magill:
It's not like Paul would barge in on George's recordings anyway. Why would he? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. He would have absolutely no reason to and probably absolutely no desire to. Why encourage another round of Paul-bashing on a subject that's totally speculative anyway? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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FPSHOT

Oct 22, 2002, 06:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By ABCKO:
Am I alone...?
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You're not alone anymore. Can't hurt to have a little joke out here.

And Rellevart, impo this is far away from bashing. I even know that ABCKO did not have that intention.

Can't hurt to have a little joke out here. I remember some remarks about John and George having a discussion 'up there' about Paul's solo albums.

btw. The only thing Paul did on a Harrison album, was the backing vocals on All Those Years Ago.

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Rellevart

Oct 22, 2002, 06:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
And Rellevart, impo this is far away from bashing. I even know that ABCKO did not have that intention.
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No, no, I didn't think what he said was bashing....I said I thought it "invited" bashing! Not quite the same thing! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

And I'm sure you're right that that was not his intent. Sorry, it just makes me uncomfortable when people try to pit them against each other and perpetuate the feeling that you have to choose between them. That's all. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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FPSHOT

Oct 22, 2002, 06:38 AM

OK, I've got a cold, it probably influences my reading capabilities.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

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Rocky Rabbit

Oct 22, 2002, 07:54 AM

Though George had choice words for Paul once upon a time, I think the two of them buried the hatchet, so it seemed, during Anthology...?

You can see obvious tension between Paul and George in the anthology videos....the minute Paul opens his mouth!

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FPSHOT

Oct 22, 2002, 08:09 AM

Oh yes, personally I believe they loved eachother as brothers, it just didn't match anymore on the musical side for a number of years.

Ever seen the video of Blue Moon Of Kentucky, this Anthology recording? There is a topic about it here in Crackerbox Palace. Never seen George so bored.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

Hari's Chick

Oct 22, 2002, 08:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
Ever seen the video of Blue Moon Of Kentucky, this Anthology recording? There is a topic about it here in Crackerbox Palace. Never seen George so bored.

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http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh2.gif True!

How about in the Anthology where Paul is speaking and George starts to play uke over him? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink1.gif

But, yeah, like brothers, they did love one another, no doubt. Remember George said now they realize they're both pretty cute!

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FPSHOT

Oct 22, 2002, 08:55 AM

Yes, I do remember that part.

Quite good actors they are http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

Magill

Oct 22, 2002, 09:11 AM

Do you think George was dissing Paul, or just into his uke? Though he did finally respond when Ringo asked him Paul's question again. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh5.gif That George!

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lennon4

Oct 22, 2002, 10:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By ABCKO:
http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/nono.gif"When I'm gone... no matter what you do... DO NOT LET PAUL ANYWHERE NEAR MY DEMOS ! Lock the studio doors, burn the tapes if you have to but, for God's sake, don't let MacCartney get his hands on any of them !"http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/nono.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! Just the thought of that has to make you smile, especially since it's not a serious thing. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

-lennon4

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beatlebangs1964

Oct 22, 2002, 03:30 PM

Paul did say George was beautiful and he described him in loving, fraternal terms. In the "Anthology," Paul admits that he was driven during their later recording sessions which had a negative impact on all involved.

Still, I agree with 'Kat on this one.

All you need is love.

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ABCKO

Oct 22, 2002, 09:20 PM

Well, one thing's for sure...

This is the LAST time I post anything in a joking or sarcastic manner on this board...

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Hari's Chick

Oct 22, 2002, 09:32 PM

Awww, don't say that.... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif I thought it was funny! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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IAN TATERSHALL

Oct 22, 2002, 09:40 PM

Didn't George hint that Paul might make an appearance on his album at one stage? Didn't he say something like "I look forward to Paul's contributions...I hear he's had a few hits!"

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FPSHOT

Oct 22, 2002, 09:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By ABCKO:
Well, one thing's for sure...

This is the LAST time I post anything in a joking or sarcastic manner on this board...
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That would be a big loss. You Quebecians are full of humor.

Come on, I agree it was taken too serious in some cases, but I believe the score is even.

I had a huge laugh about it when I read it, but more regarding the description than the name of Paul.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
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Rellevart

Oct 23, 2002, 05:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By ABCKO:
This is the LAST time I post anything in a joking or sarcastic manner on this board...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please don't say that. I'm sorry if I didn't get your sarcasm. I'm a little oversensitive when it comes to people attacking Paul because they do it SO often that sometimes I think I see it when it's not there. Please be as sarcastic as you like! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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FPSHOT

Oct 23, 2002, 05:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Rellevart:
Please be as sarcastic as you like! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
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Be prepared, he's from Quebec http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink2.gif

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

Lynner

Oct 23, 2002, 06:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
Originally Posted By Rellevart:
Please be as sarcastic as you like! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
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Be prepared, he's from Quebec http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink2.gif

Hmm...and this is a bad thing?
http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

I'm sticking up for Rell', I didn't realize that this was sarcasm at first. Just didn't have enought coffee in me, I suppose. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Magill

Oct 23, 2002, 07:09 AM

You were being sarcastic, ABCKO? WOW! I'm one of the most sarcastic people on the planet and didn't pick up on yours. Sorry, man. Maybe if you used this http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink3.gif or this http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/rolleyes.gif we would have. Don't give up the sarcastic barbs. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/whip.gif CRACK ON! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/wink3.gif

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beatlebangs1964

Oct 23, 2002, 10:25 AM

The following quote made me think of George:

Joy isn't found in the material objects surrounding us bu tin the inner recesses of the soul." St Therese of Lisieux, the Little Flower

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Rellevart

Oct 23, 2002, 01:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By lennon4:
Thank you, Swami.
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Uhhhhh...sarcasm, right? I think I've got it this time! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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lennon4

Oct 23, 2002, 01:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Rellevart:
Uhhhhh...sarcasm, right? I think I've got it this time! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol...yep, you've got it, Rell. When in doubt about any of my posts, take the sarcasm road (it's "less traveled by"). http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/smile2.gif

-lennon4

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EasternBird

Oct 23, 2002, 10:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By ABCKO:
I have no problem imagining George telling Olivia, Dhani and Jeff Lynne...

http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/nono.gif
"When I'm gone... no matter what you do... DO NOT LET PAUL ANYWHERE NEAR MY DEMOS ! Lock the studio doors, burn the tapes if you have to but, for God's sake, don't let MacCartney get his hands on any of them !"
http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/nono.gif

Am I alone...?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not at all! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/teeth1.gif I know that there's no reason that Paul would ever want to do that, but for some reason, the thought of this was very amusing. I could just picture Paul pounding on the door... "Just one? Please?!? C'mon, let me in! I'm Sir Paul McCartney!!" http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif

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Oct 24, 2002, 12:22 AM

Im sure George would find that very funny, and im even more sure he would have said it!! Seriously, Paul already stated earlier this year, he would love and be honoured to appear on the album, and he hasnt been asked..though George loved him, they had major differences, and George had good reason to feel a little resentful..Paul continued to say very unkind things about him, well after the Anthology even..Anyway, one just needs to look at the new covers for "Back in the U.S" and "Brainwashed" to see their differences..anyway, theyre both great, its just one felt threatened by anothers greatness - the dark horse running on the dark race course!!

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lennon4

Oct 24, 2002, 12:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By beatlebangs1964:
The following quote made me think of George:

Joy isn't found in the material objects surrounding us bu tin the inner recesses of the soul." St Therese of Lisieux, the Little Flower<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, Swami.

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FPSHOT

Oct 24, 2002, 01:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By EasternBird:
I could just picture Paul pounding on the door... "Just one? Please?!? C'mon, let me in! I'm Sir Paul cCartney!!" http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif
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FANTASTIC http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif
same reaction as when I saw ABCKO's post.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

ABCKO

Oct 24, 2002, 01:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By EasternBird:
I could just picture Paul pounding on the door... "Just one? Please?!? C'mon, let me in! I'm Sir Paul McCartney!!" http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've got me shaking, laughing and in tears in front of my computer screen (no, I am not beeing sarcastic this time)
http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh5.gifhttp://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh5.gifhttp://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh5.gif

Thanks, I needed that...

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Rellevart

Oct 24, 2002, 04:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi:
Paul continued to say very unkind things about him, well after the Anthology even..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I question this assertion. I don't think I've ever heard Paul say any "very unkind" things about George. I don't doubt that he may have thought them, but he's usually way more diplomatic in public than to say them. And I have no idea where you come up with the fact that he's threatened by George by looking at their album covers. Oh well, everyone can believe what they choose to. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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FPSHOT

Oct 24, 2002, 05:02 AM

Don't think we should avoid discussions like this, just about the way we THINK they felt, just without the thought of Bashing, but just looking at facts and thoughts.

Must say I quite agree on what Yogi sais.

I repeat again, the fact that Paul never got involved in any Harrison solo song, (and also visa versa) other than the ooh's on that one song, sais enough. Look at Anthology and you can feel a sort of tension, it's good for a long time but don't over-do it.

A lot of people love one another but avoid working together, a lot of them are married to eachother.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

Rellevart

Oct 24, 2002, 05:14 AM

I know that there was tension between the two men and that they have very different ways of working and thinking and haven't been involved in each other's solo careers (which is probably for the best for BOTH of them!) to any great extent.

But quite honestly, I've heard George say a lot more nasty and snide things about Paul than I have the other way around, so I don't think it's quite fair to make it out like George is the saint and Paul's some nasty dude out to insult him and be threatened by him. I don't think it's that way at all. They're both just men who sometimes loved each other and sometimes were annoyed by each other.

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FPSHOT

Oct 24, 2002, 05:55 AM

It's Paul teams against George teams here right?

OK, I don't know of what Yogi wrote, but I do know Yogi is always well informed.

What I know is indeed, a long way back, round 1970, George really had it with Paul, however not being the only one. But from what I have been able to follow -which is quite a lot - I haven't seen rude remarks from George towards Paul, maybe some cynical things, but no more.

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

Rellevart

Oct 24, 2002, 06:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
It's Paul teams against George teams here right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh3.gif

Nope. This is a George forum. I'll take my team to the other field. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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FPSHOT

Oct 24, 2002, 06:24 AM

All of them? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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"Sometimes I feel like I'm on the wrong planet..I feel great when I'm in my gardens, but the moment I go out of the gate, I think What the hell am I doing here"
George Harrison, probably 2001.

lennon4

Oct 24, 2002, 10:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By EasternBird:
I could just picture Paul pounding on the door... "Just one? Please?!? C'mon, let me in! I'm Sir Paul McCartney!!" http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! While Ringo sits somewhere with a slight smile, looking upwards, and shaking his head.

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oracle193

Oct 24, 2002, 06:23 PM

After reading all the posts I got the
humor. Seriously though, Paul and George
did have closure at the end and enjoyed each
other's company at the hospital. I also was
very moved by Paul's tribute quotes about
George, and the fact that he appeared and
will be appearing at the Harrison tribute
concerts. However, Brainwashed gets my vote
any day, and I am glad Dhani and Jeff Lynne
worked together to finish it. Paul's
recent music just isn't as spiritual or
topical as George's. My favorite Beatle is
George because I prefer lyrical depth, al-
though I've heard great things from Paul too!

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ABCKO

Oct 25, 2002, 10:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FPSHOT:
It's Paul teams against George teams here right?

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In that case... I'm on Ringo's team !
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ABCKO

Oct 25, 2002, 11:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By lennon4:
LOL! While Ringo sits somewhere with a slight smile, looking upwards, and shaking his head.

-lennon4

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or rather...

Ringo's in the studio with Dhani and Jeff as Paul is banging on the door...

"Awww, can't we let him in, just for one song ?"
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Jeff and Dhani turn towards Ringo and answer him...
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P.S.: This post is meant to be humoristic & sarcastic and must not be taken seriously (just want to avoid any more "misunderstandings"...)

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Rocky Rabbit

Oct 25, 2002, 11:12 AM

"Paul's
recent music just isn't as spiritual or
topical as George's. My favorite Beatle is
George because I prefer lyrical depth, al-
though I've heard great things from Paul too!"

Pauls music has never been as spiritual and topical as George and in my opinion this is because George matured into a much better songwriter and had a lot more interesting things to say.

[/B][/QUOTE]

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Rellevart

Oct 25, 2002, 11:13 AM

Y'know what's really funny about this? On another board I'm on, everyone is complaining endlessly about how much they hate Jeff Lynne's production and how they think HE is going to ruin the album! Too funny..... http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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FiendishThingie

Oct 25, 2002, 11:39 AM

It really sounds like Jeff tried to keep the music sounding like George's. I think he tried to anyway.

I don't really think that Cloud Nine doesn't sound like George. I mean, it's not ELO, but it has Jeff's influence. I won't be surprised to hear a bit of that on Brainwashed.

It's ridiculous to think that you wouldn't hear something. I mean, if Paul & George worked together, you'd hear Paul & George coming through. It would probably come across as something similar to the Beatles.

Well, I guess I'm just trying to say that everybody has their own style & so if two people work together, it's going to reflect a bit of each one of them.

One thing we may not be familiar with yet, (& we must remember that this will influence the sound of Brainwashed, too) is Dhani's style!

Still anxious to hear this one!

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lennon4

Oct 25, 2002, 03:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By FiendishThingie:
I don't really think that Cloud Nine doesn't sound like George. I mean, it's not ELO, but it has Jeff's influence. I won't be surprised to hear a bit of that on Brainwashed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cloud Nine is the only solo George album that I have, and I LOVE it! If Brainwashed is anything like it, I will not hesitate to buy it.

-lennon4

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bobdude

Oct 25, 2002, 09:12 PM

Here is a quote from John in 1980.

E.L.O. is son of "I Am The Walrus" If somebody wants "I Am The Walrus" music, they just have to buy E.L.O. records. Different schools of "Son of Beatles" exist continually.

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I put it down to you ignorance.
This guitar can't keep from crying.

Sexy_Sadie

Oct 25, 2002, 09:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Rellevart:
Exactly. He would have absolutely no reason to and probably absolutely no desire to. Why encourage another round of Paul-bashing on a subject that's totally speculative anyway? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Exaaaactly!

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Hari's Chick

Oct 25, 2002, 10:21 PM

I think I can imagine what George was after when he told Jeff he wanted a demo kind of sound, not much production. Then, Jeff apologetically says that the songs deserved more than that. I think, God bless Jeff (and of course Dhani), I am sure they did a wonderful job. Still, I would like to also hear it "demo style" as George had intended...

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26 DAYS!!!!!

"OM...My Lord
Please take hold of my hand
that I might understand you..."

Oct 25, 2002, 10:30 PM

I didnt mean to start any paul bashing or anything, but to me, from 1969 onwards (even earlier), Paul and John always seemed very jealous, insecure and felt threatened by George and his talent. Probably because the quiet one emerged from behind the stagelights and ran away with the greatest sucsess ( the songs on Abbey Rd, ATMP etc) and there was major embarrasment all round, when he released those 2 on abbey Rd and the triple set, as the whole time they had been limiting him to 2 songs per album Max(1 on pepper, infact rejecting 'only a northern song'), while insisting on recording "Maxwell's silver hammer" and "Revolution 9" or something.. some like George Martin still havent come to terms with it. Only Ringo seems not to have felt threatened ( John felt he was owed credit in I Me Mine!) its evident On Early 1970 where Ringo sings about his relationship with all 3. He wonders whether Paul and John will appear with him but George is "always here playing with me.." Anyway, the paul comments are so frequent, i couldnt possibly name them all, but the worst i ever heard was an interview in 96 where Paul proceeded to say how glad he was he "made it up with john", and how he would hate to be in George's position etc..saying "at least i made it up with him in time" and saying how there was ill will between george and John..despite the fact John said he would have "1 George over 3 pauls any day". It just reeks of insecurity..but the important thing is, after 1970 George moved on with his life, he reacted to all the deception and betrayl with suitable levels of cynicism, and music, many times (Run of the Mill etc) The new albums just show 2 totally different people, one who has made his career of late relying and thriving on Patriotism, and one who warns of the dangers of it..And Paul has never been one for diplomacy! just look at the Yoko situation..Undoubtedly, both paul and george are great, I love Paul too, but any serious look into the history and songs reveals a side to him, that is certainly not his best, same as all of us no doubt..

"Scan a friend not with a microscope glass, you know his foibles, let them pass.."

hope that answers it a bit better..

Paul is still good in my book..he has given much more good than bad, and i am very greatful to him on many levels...

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" talking to myself, crying out loud...GOD, GOD, GOD, WONT YOU LEAD US THROUGH THIS MESS?!"

Sir Frankie Crisp

Oct 27, 2002, 06:12 PM

I remind you all that although they had different styles,Paul usually(I would say always)did a wonderful job on George's songs,playing bass,piano,organ and/or singing backing vocals whereas,except on For You Blue,John's contribution from 1968 onward was null.It's a situation in which you can't defend one of our boys without criticize another.I think we can't put the blame of the break up and everything that happened after it, just on one individual.All of them,except Ringo had they share of responsability,including George,although I admit that when he was in The Beatles had to be hard for him to endure Paul and John attitude.With respect to Paul's quote what he said is exactly the same that biographers has written about relationship between John and George in the seventies.Recently has been proved that John's heroin addiction and negative criticism towards George's songs was responsible for many of the troubles that led to the break up as much as Paul's authoritarianism.Another thing I want to say is that at least George and Paul were able to put aside their diferences occasionally and play together on "stage" one more time on 1979 on a party Eric Clapton and Pattie Boyd gave after their marriage. Obviously they didn't that for money,just for fun.

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HariScruff_00

Oct 27, 2002, 11:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By Rellevart:
But quite honestly, I've heard George say a lot more nasty and snide things about Paul than I have the other way around, so I don't think it's quite fair to make it out like George is the saint and Paul's some nasty dude out to insult him and be threatened by him. I don't think it's that way at all. They're both just men who sometimes loved each other and sometimes were annoyed by each other.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A few IMO points:
Of course we can only speculate on their relationship from what they say publicly and in interviews Paul is more likely to watch what he says and he seems to put more consideration into "how will it sound if i say it this way". something tells me he learned a thing or two having dealt with the press for ~40 years. George on the other hand has been described as having "a sometimes painful honesty", as Tom Petty put it. He would be more likely than Paul to say something that sounded "nasty and snide" when speaking to the press. I'm not defending or bashing either of them but this is just my personal observation.
I think we all have relationships like this. We could name several things we don't like about someone- and yet we still love 'em (usually a family member). It doesn't mean there is a right side or a bad side- it just means there exists a difference in opinion and taste. These differences within the Beatles is a major part of what made them so great! without differences maybe they would've just been... The Monkees...? http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/eyepoke.gif
I end my post with something (I find funny) that George said during his Yahoo!Chat in February of 2001:
Question-"Does Paul still piss you off (tell us the truth)"
Answer-"'Scan not a friend with a microscopic glass -- You know his faults -- Then let his foibles pass.' Old Victorian Proverb. I'm sure there's enough about me that pisses him off, but i think we have now grown old enough to realize...
that we're both pretty damn cute!"

Personaly I think that says it all. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cool1.gif Plus, I happen to very much agree with the "we're both pretty damn cute" bit.

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You can take a Horse to the Water
But you can't make it drink.

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FPSHOT

Oct 28, 2002, 03:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By HariScruff_00:
Personaly I think that says it all. http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/cool1.gif
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I agree.

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And It's here and there nowhere and everywhere
Though it's atmosphere is rare"
Rising Sun, 2002

Ric325

Oct 28, 2002, 04:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote:<HR>Originally Posted By EasternBird:
Not at all! http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/teeth1.gif I know that there's no reason that Paul would ever want to do that, but for some reason, the thought of this was very amusing. I could just picture Paul pounding on the door... "Just one? Please?!? C'mon, let me in! I'm Sir Paul McCartney!!" http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh1.gif

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That was very funny.http://www.beatlelinks.net/ubb/smilies/laugh2.gif

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